That's it.
Hey,
you made it tonight.
I'm so sorry.
Yeah.
For now I'm connected. We'll see how long it lasts.
We'll see if we can get a chance to talk with us.
Getting to hear you or anything. That's when it usually,
as far as I remember, won't let you stay on. Yeah.
So.
And then I've been seeing your post asking people in your area.
Hey.
And does anybody.
Yeah.
Oh,
we had a friend stopped by on his way home from work with a different
self provider.
And he came in. I said, do you have service? He's like,
I got nothing.
So come in under the booster.
I still got nothing.
So, but this came back. It's working.
I don't know what happened, but I'll take it.
We have Verizon.
I'm sorry.
We had an online package. They offered me, but.
It wasn't an option.
Sorry.
But we definitely won't be doing online school this year. After all.
If I can't stay connected, I don't want to take a chance on it.
Yeah.
So y'all were doing an online school. I didn't know that.
We were looking into it for Chloe, at least where she's older.
Yeah.
And I was like, well,
we could do that and do dual enrollment, but I don't see that working.
Sorry. I'm trying to get this light, right? So y'all can actually see me.
Well, I hope that y'all, that y'all figure out what it is.
That is going to work best.
I thought about mentioning.
Listen to y'all.
I don't know.
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
I don't know.
And I've been very pleased with coverage.
The only time that I've really noticed I'm a problem.
It is when I was staying is last.
Well, obviously for some reason, you know you know,
on these zoom calls I have often,
I think I started having issues when they were like,
they were still like,
I mean maybe the lockdown thing,
but I think it was like after a lot of that had lifted,
but they were still like recommending people stay at home.
But then they were like more businesses were opening up, etc.
All of a sudden I started having issues.
And then I specially started having issues.
When I moved into my friend's guest room,
Which I'm no longer there, but I moved in there and they,
their house.
They always have problems with their internet, always have,
Hey, Carrie.
And so I noticed that that's when I have trouble,
but everywhere else that I have been, even out.
In, in West Texas, where it is like, there's, there's literally,
there's one provider that has a monopoly out there.
My Verizon hotspot.
Could get internet. So that was great.
But, but anyway, so,
but so anyway, I thought I'd got mentioning Verizon.
I was like, well, Ashley, I'm going to say,
they're going to research it.
They're going to figure out what they want to do. And.
And all of my 18 friends.
Local.
Oh, it was funny because they would say, oh, it picks up great everywhere,
but the Mountwood dip.
And we live behind Mountwood park.
It's like, are you serious? Are you picking on me?
Because you literally come down this hill and you could turn into the
mountain.
And then you go back up the hill and we're.
Yeah.
After you go down that hill, you go down even farther.
We were in the holler.
This is how we say it.
You're going to part.
First, what is the holler? That's yes.
We're in the holler.
So everybody said, oh yeah, it picks up great.
Except for at Mountwood. It's like, okay, are you serious?
picking on me. They were serious. So, but it'll be all right. I must have left this
spot between all of these towers, so I'm sorry. It's all right. It's back, so I'm good.
Yeah, good. Well, Carrie, what about you? You look tired. I'm very tired, but I wanted to hop
on here because I wasn't sure how many of these I'm going to be able to hop on to,
when the baby is born. So, I was like, oh, I'm gonna at least hop on for a little while until
I can keep my eyes open. Well, it's 10 days, right? Yeah. August 9th. Yeah. How exciting.
So, did Eric come early or late or on time? He was late. My midwives pushed out my due date
a week, and then from there, he was 10 days late. So, I was 41 and a half weeks.
Yeah. It's really late. Us girls, all my three sisters, we all have home births with midwives.
It's just what we've always done, and they've all been late. My sister, my one sister, Loretta,
was 18 days late, and then with the other one, I think she's like 16 days late. So,
we've just kind of accepted the fact we just take longer to bake our babies,
but they're all born healthy, and they aren't huge, and they just take their own time.
That's right.
They come on their terms, not ours, not our schedule.
Yeah. Well, in fact, the reason that I'm being very quiet is because of the baby.
I am staying with my brother and sister-in-law, and they have a one-year-old. In fact,
I'm sitting in the middle of the leftovers of his birthday party decorations,
which was a Hawaiian theme, which was really cute. So, here's like a little lei that we wore,
and she did such a good job. Oh, my word. Did a balloon garland and everything, and so he's
having so much fun with the balloons afterwards. Anyway, so he is asleep since he goes down between
7 and 7 30, and so even though he's in the other part of the house, you know, it can sound,
can bounce down the house, down the hall, so I'm trying to be quiet, but anyway, but yeah, so
we'll look forward to getting to see a little one. Do you have a name picked out,
or are you maybe not even sharing? No, we don't have a name. We have no idea what we're gonna
name him. Yeah, we know that it's a boy, but that's as far as, you know, we're like, yeah,
we have tried and tried and tried to complete, so we're like, okay, forget it. We're just gonna
wait till he's born, and then we'll see what he looks like. No, but just know.
Yeah, picking at John. This is John.
It's what people have for thousands of years named their babies. In fact, the majority of people
in the world do not name their babies until they're born.
No. One of my friends had, I think it was their fifth, and they took like two weeks to name him,
so I'm like, there's no, there's no pressure. I don't think we'll wait two weeks, but we might,
but they were literally like, this is our baby. There's so many ways, and we don't know his name.
Let you leave the hospital, so that's the benefit, one of the benefits of homebirth.
They want you to leave the hospital until you name the baby, and so I've heard stories of like,
people that like, who got their name at like, literally the last minute, because the nurse was
like, look, if you do not name this child, I'm going to name it, and like, she had pinned a
paper, and so like, uh, okay. Oh my goodness. I guess they, yeah, they have to fill out all that
paperwork before they discharge them. Correct. They have to know the baby's name, and all the
certificate, and all the investment, and all go to the courthouse. Uh, no. Our midwife takes care of
all that. She sends it in, or some, somehow. All I know is that we get a social security number,
and the birth certificate in the mail within like, a couple weeks or a month or so. Yeah. Well, good.
Hey, Natalie. Hey, Amy. How are y'all? Hey, how's it going?
What? Sorry, we're a few minutes late. Oh no, it's fine. We, we just get on now.
I've noticed that we just like to kind of like chat a little bit. Say hello, but everybody's up to
I hope y'all can hear me. Okay, I'm just trying not to be too loud for baby.
Hi, everybody. I'm just going to stay on mute and
Stuff so I can listen.
Yeah.
I know. Are you you sound tired, Amy.
Oh, I just had a four hour nap. I feel good.
Well, nice man. That's good. I hope you'll sleep.
Yeah, and I got my test back. It did come back positive. So
I'm sorry. I'm
Oh, no, I I'm glad. That's what I wanted to prove that I had it. Oh, yeah. What, what's the benefit
Well, just so I know that I had it. So like if other people have it. I don't have to worry
about catching it or all and then
You know, just yeah for my medical record just and just to know
Yeah, that that which shall not be named
Yeah, so and then if they ever do come out with a vaccine they say everybody has to have it I don't have to have it
Natural antibodies all built up. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway
I'm glad you're recovering. So yeah, I'm doing good
Still sleeping a lot. Yeah
That was fair
Yeah
does um
Uh, does anyone have anything? Um that
To start us out with um any any question or anything? Oops, my goodness. Sorry didn't realize my phone was
If you're good
You're frozen, I don't know if you can hear us or not
Yeah, totally frozen on my end yeah mine too
I
Was having this trouble this morning on another zoom that we do every week with another group and it was horrible
Couldn't get it to work. Oh
There she is
Hey
Yes
Stephanie and I were just talking about this right but right before everybody else jumped on I was like, you know
How because she was asking how my internet was or I was telling her how my internet was it's like well
I didn't used to have problems until
I don't know about two months ago
Then you know and I don't know why I don't know what the deal was two months ago because two months ago people were finally
stopping
So many people being on there, uh, because the kids were finally out of school
So I don't know what the deal was where all of a sudden
Um when people started getting off the internet, I started having issues with the internet
But um anyway did what I was asking was does anybody have anything
That has just kind of been on their mind or any questions, um any
um any area in which they felt in a state of unrest or
Um, they've been going through or something
I forgot to get on here prepared with something in case nobody else did a lot to think of something
I can let's get her start. Yeah, go for it. That's this morning
You're prepared I love it a teacher that's teacher right there like
I was like, okay, here's my ideas or my questions. Um
okay, here's one thought I was having because I know in a lot of the videos and stuff you
Talk to us about like we don't have to
Work or like try it's not something when you try for work hard for whatever
And then sometimes like i'll read and I think I was reading in like romans
Nine, and then I know there's like a proverbs and it talks about like hard work. So can you explain the
Difference or maybe more of the meaning behind both of
When are we supposed to be working hard and when are we I guess?
Yeah, so let's specifically talk about in romans. What was the um, what was the verse in romans?
Because i'm familiar with proverbs and I understand what that's talking about. What was the one in romans? Can you remind me?
Um, i'd have to look it up. So if you want to start with proverbs, we can
You know, it'll talk about things like you know, um
benefit of hard work look at the ants
um, you know
What else i'm talking about, you know slothfulness versus, you know
Hard work, etc. And so understand that um that working
where that they were under the law and under the law work is required in order in order for there
to be movement in order to get result. We do have to put forth effort meaning strife. So when I say
that we don't work. It's not that we don't have activities. It's just that we don't we don't need
to strive for them because things serve us as sons of God. We don't serve them. We govern,
but we don't have to work hard and manipulate and coerce and strive in order for something to
happen. So in Proverbs, it was all under the old cabinet. It was according to wisdom from the tree
of the knowledge of good and evil. And remember that in the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil is the word good. All those things are good. You know, don't be like this lawful man and work
hard and do all of that stuff. But it's also not from a place of rest and just being able to abide
in God. So and you remember that just abiding in God and resting does not mean that we don't have
activity. We do things we still have businesses and we get up every morning. We don't lay around
all day and we, you know, we do activities, but we no longer have to worry that the burden of
the result depends on our activity. And in the Old Testament under the old cabinet,
the burden of the result was on the activity. And so they had to constantly talk about the value
of hard work because it was only through hard work that they could actually get a result
that could be labeled according to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as being wise and good
and, and look like the character of God. The problem is it looked like the character of God,
but it didn't originate from the character of God and, and therefore had life in it. It had
nothing but death in it. So that's the simple answer for, for Proverbs. But what was it in Romans?
Makes sense because I think what I was doing is I was comparing the two because yeah, and you said
under the old law, because then in Romans, you're right. It does talk about, that's why I underlined
it because it says we can't get it by choosing or working hard for it. And then in Romans,
now obviously there's probably a lot of concrete like context to that. But that's chapter nine.
And then yeah, still chapter nine later, it says how the Gentiles have been made right by
with God by faith. And because let's see, the Jews who tried so hard to get right with God,
keeping the law never succeeded. Why not? Because they were trying to get right with God by keeping
the law and being good instead of by depending on faith. And so I think that's where I was like,
what's the difference or, but kind of how you said under the old law of why they were doing that or.
Yeah. And that's exactly what Paul was talking about. He was drawing,
drawing a distinction between, he was like, you know, we're all so familiar because remember
Jesus had not been, had not died that much long, that much earlier. In other words,
he died and rose again and kept them and enabled us to, and sealed with his blood,
a new covenant because new covenant in order to go into effect had to be signed in blood,
so to speak. Blood had to be shed, which is why when Jesus, when God made the covenant with
Abraham, blood had to be shed of all of the animals. Interestingly, just a total side note,
Abraham was asleep when Jesus made covenant because Abraham was at rest.
God, God, that the animals had to die, blood had to be shed, and then God made covenant
with himself. Abraham got to be beneficiary according to Hebrews. Hebrews walks us through
that whole thing about the fact that, that Abraham was at rest in picture by the fact that God put
Abraham into a deep sleep. And then God made covenant with himself in order to, in order to
put into effect the covenant. So that was total side note. Point is that when Jesus,
Jesus had not died that long earlier in which he had enacted the covenant.
And so there was so much mindset shifting that the Jews and the Gentiles were going through because
it was brand new. I mean, we've all been talking about this now for 2000 years, so we have quite
a long precedence. They had just like a, like a, a few decades. In fact, for some of them,
it wasn't even, by the time that Paul is writing this, it's about,
about 20 years approximately. Because remember he, after the road to Damascus incident, it says
that Paul, Paul says that he went into the wilderness for 14 years to be taught by the Lord,
14 years. So by the time that Paul is writing all
It's approximately 15 to 20 years after the death and resurrection of Christ.
It is not that long.
And the fact that they did not have books they were reading, they did not have the New
Testament through the way that we're reading it, and so that mindset shift was so new for
them.
And so he's reminding them, okay, for thousands of years, you remember that God established
the law with the Israelites, and this is all we've known, and it is ingrained in our culture
and our entire government is built on this thing, and we're known worldwide for our laws,
and we're now no longer, we now are choosing to believe that this man who claims to be
God and he died on a cross on this hill right outside of Jerusalem was actually God in the
flesh, and he says we don't need to do it anymore.
That is major faith to have to believe something like that.
And so he's talking in Romans through that whole thing of like, hey, look, this thing
that we used to do for thousands of years, it will no longer work because they had to
work so hard.
They had to strive so hard for it.
We no longer have to work.
We no longer have to strive.
It was a major mindset shift.
So yeah, he's talking about it there, and so yeah, he was referencing it to the Old Testament
and the fact that, hey, it was explaining why it didn't work, so yeah, but that's why.
And also, another thing is, though, just important to note that it does still work, by the way.
We can choose to operate according to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
We can choose to operate according to those laws.
They're still in effect, meaning that we can still make the same choice that Adam and Eve
did, which we do every day.
We can have the choice between choosing to do something according to the tree of life
or doing it according to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and if we do it according
to this other tree, then we follow those laws and rules, which the Lord laid out for the
children of Israel.
Do these things, I will bless you.
Do these other things, and then you're not going to get good results, so you can choose
between the good, and then you can try to avoid the evil, and these are the good things,
and here's the formula, and here's the strategy, but if we do that, it's just a lot
of work.
It's a lot of effort.
It works, but it is at least 10 times as hard, at least 10 times as hard as getting the same
results over here, and even when we get the result, it leads to nothing but death.
There's no life in it.
It's not eternal, but if we do that same thing from rest, the result actually results in
something that breeds life because it's from the actual life source, so anyway, but that's
the difference.
Okay, that makes a lot better sense.
Does anyone else have questions, or I have another one?
Yeah, yeah, does anyone have anything?
I think you're welcome to just go ahead and just blow through all of yours, and then at
the end, if anyone has anything they can ask.
Oh, Carrie, did you have a follow-up question to it?
It's totally fine.
Natalie can keep going.
That's totally fine.
I just had one more, really, actually, because you summed up all the others, but I was curious
to hear from you, and maybe you have a video somewhere, but I love how when you're doing
your videos, you're like, God spoke to me today, or today we were talking about ... It's
like I love how you can tell your relationship with him is so close, but it's like you literally
you talk about him, and the way he speaks to you, it's like, oh, you were literally
sitting on the couch that day, and going over your plan, or what he was speaking to you,
and so I love that, and I would love to know how, because I think sometimes I still struggle
with is this my idea, is God speaking this to me, and so how have you seen that process
play out of knowing that you are just having this dialogue?
That's what it sounds like to me when you explain it.
It's almost like you and God are having this dialogue with each other, so how did you develop
that, or how can we develop that more so too in ourselves?
Yeah.
First of all, hey, Emma.
How you doing, sweetie?
It's your first time to join us.
Yay.
Let's see.
How did I do it?
How did I develop it?
I'm trying to think of a very simple answer, because sometimes it's kind of like, I don't
know, if someone were to ask you, well, how did you develop your relationship with Skylar?
It's like, oh, I mean, it was, my goodness, it was way back in high school, and it was
like, how did we start?
I don't know.
What did we do?
All the normal things.
Right.
Yeah.
But, so I'm trying to think of how to describe it.
Yeah.
For one thing, I was very intentional
in choosing him as a being,
choosing that he is a being,
and that I'm interacting with him.
It's so, you know, talking about how we choose our reality
based off of what it is that God says is true.
So then we just take, well, what does God say is true?
And I'm gonna choose that that's reality.
I'm gonna choose that that is my reality.
I'm gonna frame up my world like that.
And so I chose that he was a being
and I would interact with him like that.
That's where I started to get the furthest
in my relationship with the Lord, the fastest.
Choosing, yeah, like I said,
choosing the real being that I was interacting with.
And so I would just talk to him and then I would,
and then as far as like him like responding,
I'd become more and more sensitive in my spirit to,
well, more and more sensitive to what actually was my spirit
and learning to trust that the things
that came up out of me were good,
especially the first initial thing,
the things that weren't afraid,
the things that ignored fear, that ignored problems,
that ignored doubt, that just felt full of life,
in other words.
When I talk to the Lord, I feel full, I feel full of life.
I feel that there's a peace, that there's a joy.
Yes, obviously there's also conviction
of the Holy Spirit as well,
where you kind of feel like this,
like this, I don't wanna say a heaviness,
but you just feel like, you feel this way,
you feel, okay, something's not quite right.
But at the same time, you also know
that that's different than a weight
that's under which you feel burdened,
like you've got this obligation,
this fear, I'm being enslaved.
There's a difference between feeling an enslaved weight
versus feeling like a weight of conviction
of the Holy Spirit.
So I just wanted to mention that.
But that aside, when I just talk with the Lord,
and I'll ask him questions, I'm trying to think,
okay, like today, I was talking to the Lord today,
I literally woke up and I just had something on my heart
that I had not talked to him about, like in English,
like I had presented my spirit before him,
and he knew my heart, and I knew he knew the agony
that I was in about some situations in my life,
but I hadn't stopped to consider,
Ashley, he is a being, and he wants to hear from you
in English, in your language.
So in my head, and in my spirit,
I would talk to him in English, okay, Lord,
and I was doing it this morning when I woke up
before I even got up out of bed.
I was like, okay, Lord, this is what I'm,
I'm being honest with you, I'm afraid of these things.
I'm gonna be very transparent.
Again, this is what I'm afraid of,
and this is how I'm feeling that you're interacting with me,
and this is how I'm feeling that you're responding to me,
and Lord, I just don't know.
I'm confused, I'm hurt, I know that you want me to trust you,
but I don't really know how to trust you in this area.
What is it that you're asking of me?
I don't, I feel like I'm on this journey,
and I'm on this, and I'm in this fog.
You know, what is it that you're asking?
And I just, I just talk to him like that,
and I, and then I started to get this,
and so I started asking very specific questions,
so that's another thing that I do,
is I just open up my heart to him,
and then I eventually transition
into asking him very specific questions,
because he already knows in my heart
that he likes me to engage with him,
and be honest by articulating,
by articulating what is going on with me,
so that I'm not hiding,
or into that, I'm acknowledging nothing,
so that I acknowledge to myself
that I'm not hiding from the Lord,
that I'm not hiding the fact that I'm doubting him,
that I'm not hiding the fact that I'm afraid,
but like Adam did, like, okay, Lord,
I'm coming out here, full vulnerability,
this is what I really think,
and so I do that, even though he already knows,
it helps my relationship with him,
because it's acknowledging the fact
that I'm bringing myself to the table,
I'm not just there as the servant, as this victim,
what is he gonna ask me to do,
what does he want me to do,
what does he not want me to do,
and yes, sir, I'm gonna, yes, sir, no, sir,
what do I want, and so I bring it to the table,
including all of my fears, et cetera,
so that I can, he can then interact with me honestly,
and so it's honoring the Lord for me to do that,
and then from that point,
then I start asking him very specific questions,
okay, Lord, what about this, or what about this,
or how do you want me to do this,
or how do you want me to do that,
and then I just stop, and I just,
and I figure out, and I just think,
what am I sensing, sensing in the spirit,
what am I sensing, and when I've started asking him.
very specific questions, all of a sudden inside of me, I just felt everything shift and I felt
completely at peace. Because I asked the Lord, it's like, Lord, am I doing something? What's the
word I used with him? Am I doing something wrong? Maybe I used the word wrong. You know, am I doing
something wrong when I do X, Y, and Z? So this is my brother. Yeah, I haven't eaten yet, so I'll
leave that for you. Anyway, when I asked a specific question, I was thinking, you know,
okay, Lord, am I doing, I've been doing this thinking that this is what you wanted me to do,
but am I not doing it the way that you're inviting me to? So am I quote unquote doing it wrong? I
know that's a bad word to use now, but I didn't have another word to use. And the Lord is very
gracious of that, very gracious of the fact that I'm in a transition between the old mindset and
the new, and sometimes my language hasn't quite matured to whatever it's supposed to be. And so
that's okay. So I just told him, okay, Lord, am I doing something wrong? And immediately in my,
and I asked, should I be doing X instead? And immediately my spirit went into peace,
but it didn't go into peace related to the fact that I should do this other. I was asking Lord,
am I fine doing what I'm doing? And immediately everything shifted all of this turmoil, all this
upset, all this unsettledness, all of this fear stopped. I was like, okay, so I'm fine. I'm fine
doing what it is that I've been doing or whatever. So there are things that even though I'm telling
you that what it is that I'm feeling it in this spirit, I have not heard the audible voice of God.
Amy has heard the audible voice of God. I haven't. But I know based off of my time with the Lord,
how I feel in the spirit. I know in my spirit what he's saying, and I can often, not all the time,
translate it into English. So that's when I tell y'all, God said this. I don't, I didn't always
hear it in English. Sometimes God will tell me something and I'll hear it in English. It'll be
an exact phrase that he'll use. No, it's not an audible voice, but it's an exact phrase that I,
my brain registers. Oh my word, he just said that in English. But the majority of the time,
I'm just feeling something, but I know how to articulate it into English. And so I tell y'all,
God said, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. Well, he didn't actually give me that phrase. Sometimes,
sometimes he does. He actually very often talks to me in phrases, but sometimes it's just like,
I just sensed him in my spirit. So I spent that time with him, um, as an, as a being.
And whenever I read the Bible, I didn't read, I didn't just read it as, um, I'm here reading a
book and I'm hoping that I'm going to learn something. No, a being that desires to have
a relationship with me wrote that book. So Lord, I'm inviting you here. Talk to me out of the page.
This is me hearing from you. What are you saying to me? Not what did you say? And now I'm reading,
uh, historical records. No, what are you saying to me right now? What are you saying? I'm
constantly pinging everything off of my spirit. When I listen to a teacher, a preacher, read a
book, whatever, I'm constantly pinging everything off of my spirit. And that, that helps me practice
discerning what the Holy spirit is saying, because I ping everything off of them.
It does the spirit like it. Does it not like it? What's the spirit saying about this? Should I
accept it? Should I swallow it? Should I reject it? What do I do with it? Does that, does that
help or, um, or did you know? No, that was really great. That was perfect. Thank you.
And I, cause the big part I think was like the part about him being a being like,
yeah, like almost like you, cause I know you hear that about it's developed in that relationship,
like as if you're talking to your friend or something, but kind of hearing how you
walk through that. Um, yeah, it was really helpful. So thank you. Yeah. So that's a good
point to bring up is that so often we consider that the way that we do things, um, in the,
in the earth are, um, what we think, yeah, but God is, is so other he's so different.
And anything that we do with other human beings, we can't do with God because it's not Holy enough.
It's not, it's not good enough when we're not considering the fact that no, why do relationships
work the way they do? Because God created them to work like that. And why would God create them
to work in a specific way that was bad for us to relate to?
him up. So if we are meant to relate to him as in like relate to each other, like really
truly value someone, look them in the eye, talk to them, give them our full attention,
et cetera, et cetera. Why would we think that, oh yeah, but you know, God doesn't want us
to interact with him like that because it's not good enough. So we can use that as, as
a marker, as an initial point from which we can begin to develop a relationship with God.
It's not subpar. It's, um, it was created by the Lord and it's meant as a picture and
as a shadow of the way that we're supposed to interact with him. So it at least gets
us a starting point. And so that's what I would recommend. Um, uh, just looking at how
you interact with other people, what it is that they like and they don't like and interact
with the Lord like that, except for the fact that you should, that we should know that
God always accepts us even when other people don't. And God doesn't reject us like other
people do that. That's not what I mean. It's just kind of, well, you know, when you talk
to someone, you give them your full attention and you expect them to answer back and you,
that's another big thing. Oh, that's a big one. I'm glad I thought about that one. Expect
him to answer back. Um, again, it's framing our world according to what he says. So we're
choosing that something is true and God will honor what it is that we've chosen that he
said about himself, expect him to answer as opposed to, Oh, I hope he does. Wouldn't
that be nice. But I bet he probably, he probably won't other people hearing, but I probably
don't know. Expect it, expect him to answer. Um, and I kind of mean it like hold them accountable
to it. That's probably a really bad way to phrase it. I don't mean hold them accountable,
like hold it over his head and demand it. I just mean, he's the one who says that he
wants to interact with us like that. So we're like, okay, God, then I expect you to, okay.
That's a really big one is expect him to answer. Thank you. Go ahead.
My question is if we are living in the spirit and operating out of the tree of life, are
we subject to living under the curse? In short, um, in short, can I, can I escape child?
Can I escape child? That's kind of the root of my question because it's waking up a little
bit. Can you, what's the question? I said in short, my question is, can I escape painful
childbirth? Yes, technically. Yes. But, um, but just kind of like, uh, we don't have to
be sick. We don't have to be sick with cancer, et cetera. But the, the process of getting
there, um, sometimes we have to walk through a process in order to get there. Um, so, uh,
that's the part of overcoming. What is it that we actually truly believe? Um, do we believe
God to the extent that he says that he is good and that he is, that we are healed, that we don't,
we don't have to go through, uh, that, that, that our bodies can understand that the process that
it is going through, that it is actually safe and it's not under threat, et cetera.
Um, there are people, there are, um, I know of a lady who, uh, went through childbirth,
her very, she only had one child. And so she had no precedent and she went through a natural birth
and she put herself under what they call hypnosis, um, which is not creepy and it's not scary. And
it's not the kind of hypnosis where people have control over other people. It's not that
it's dropping oneself down into theta waves, which we've, I think we've talked about before
on another, um, uh, community, uh, Q and a, she dropped herself down into theta waves and she
kept rejecting the, um, what do you call that? The, uh, the, the needle in the spine. What is it?
Well, I don't remember, but you know what it is. Yes. Thank you. After all. Um, she, she kept
rejecting that and the nurse is like, no, truly you're going to want this. And she said, no,
I'm going to do this all naturally. And I'm going to put myself under hypnosis so that my body will
completely relax. And, and, and it'll do what it's supposed to do without me resisting it,
which of course is the whole point of Lamaze, right? Is to get the body to relax and to stop
resisting what's going on because the tenseness is resisting. Again, another indication of the
picture of the fact that that resistance is the, is what's causing us so much pain and struggle
in life. It's it's, it's, it's, um, you know, our body is resisting what's going on and we
have to tell our body, no, no, no, give into it. It's, it's okay. It's, it's.
It's natural and started. So she put herself under hypnosis, meaning like she just dropped down into theta waves and kept telling her body what she wanted it to do. And that's the way she told herself.
But she told her body. I like this. I want this. This is how it's supposed to be better by and she actually just kind of had to continue to tell her body. She's not a Christian, by the way.
At least that I know the way she talks. She doesn't sound like a sound like a believer. I haven't like her say that, but I'm not aware that she is and that she just
She just talked to her body and tell it. I like this. I'm giving you new instruction.
There's no reason to be afraid. There's no reason to fear and this is what I want. I want this. What's going on and what is changing. I want this.
And so she just kept doing it and she had a natural painless over so and she was a non believer.
Who has never gone through childbirth before. She didn't know what to accept. So it is possible, but that was a believer doing what it says in Deuteronomy
And you know we're in Deuteronomy and he saw the itemize the MMI in the mobile all the even that they were not the chosen people.
They conquered the same Antichrist and the descendants of the Antichrist. So the Israelites that are too big and too scary and Jesus in God said I gave them the land because they believed that they could have it. They believe that they could conquer
So we see the same thing in our, in our world today that the non believers believe things that
We believers don't. And so, yes, it is absolutely possible. And just like it's possible to be to claim healing, even after a doctor's diagnosis that we have state that someone has stage four cancer.
It's all possible and we see that in constant in miracles. So yes, it absolutely is possible, but there's can be a process that like an overcoming
And where, yeah.
So that's the answer. But did I, did I give you enough of what you were you're asking about
The answer your question.
Am I frozen.
You're muted.
There we go. Can you hear me now.
Yeah.
Another question that answers my question that I had. I think I was still muted when I said that, but it answers my question. Another one that I had, though, is how you had said we frame of our world by what we believe basically God is
Yeah.
And I've been thinking about that, like, especially like with, you know, buying our farmhouse buying a house and
I was thinking a lot about the prosperity gospel. And the other day I was reading in the Bible in the Old Testament and that the title like sometimes there's like little titles above it.
And it said that God promised prosperity. Once the children of Israel believe them or something along that line. And I was like,
How much
How much do I limit God by
It's kind of hard to explain, but basically say that I like I believe God that I have this huge dream of having, you know, acreage and a farm and all these things.
Do I just go out and buy like a million dollar estate and believe God that he's just going to provide that and give us money for it.
Like, where, where do you reconcile the like sense and the responsibility of like not signing your life away with something like that. Or do you just just God just bring it about. You know what I mean, like, it's kind of hard to explain what I'm trying to say, but
No, I
Yeah.
Sorry, did I
Oh, I was just thinking a lot like we're obviously trying to, you know, get out of debt. We're self employed and literally like
Our provision is simply from Lord like Josh. Josh's hours are so obscure, like he works less than he ever has. And our income is like we just don't really care. Like, we just have enough for what we need.
We don't have access, but we're never in line. And then I'm like, well, do we just like manifest finances into the world so that we can go buy a farmhouse and like have all these streams or
How do you, you know what I mean, like,
It's kind of hard to explain, but I think you kind of know what I mean.
Okay, so
Oh, this is what I wanted to and this is how I want to live and all of that believing that
She started this
A gem
that we are apart from the Lord, that we're separated,
She started this
So,
that we're abandoned, that we're alienated,
that we have to do all this stuff for ourselves,
And
but is choosing the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Oh,
And so therefore, if we're gonna choose
And
that we're in it on our own,
well, then we have to follow this list of protocols
and all of these formulas and all of these strategies
in order to be able to get that to ourselves.
So that's why the Lord gave it to the Israelites.
The Israelites said,
tell us what we need to do and we'll do it.
And so it was like, okay, well, follow all these lists.
If all this list, you can do it.
The other way, so it's a lot harder to do that.
Yes, it absolutely is possible.
It is absolutely possible to take one's life
into one's own hands and determine what one wants
and to do it.
Or there is choosing to operate from the tree of life,
which is operating out of relationship with the Lord.
And when we operate out of relationship with the Lord,
our father provides the result,
our father provides the increase,
and we just govern what it is that he gives us.
Then in anticipation, lack of a better phrase,
in anticipation of what he could give us
and what it is that we can step into,
we can co-labor with him to come up
to make decisions together.
So that's where I talk about the fact
that we shift into rest so that we're no longer in fear
and that we shifted into abiding in the Lord.
And now that we're in rest,
now that we're no longer afraid,
now that we're no longer believing
that we're abandoned, alone,
and having to provide for and protect ourselves,
we can more easily hear the father's heart.
We can more readily present our spirit's desires
and our healthy heart's desires to the Lord,
bring those to the table.
And then I'll ask the Lord what his heart is
that he'd like to bring to the table,
and then see what the two of you want to do together,
which sometimes God will be like,
okay, well, let's do, you're presenting what you'd like.
Sure, let's do that.
Or he might say, okay, let's do that,
but understand you can't do that yet
because you will hurt yourself.
You know, if you ask for a million dollars right now,
but you struggle with gambling,
well, then, you know, and this is a very extreme example
because I'm trying to make a point,
you struggle with gambling,
well, then I'll give you the million dollars
just like you asked for,
but I have to teach you how to be able to govern that
before I want to give it to you
because otherwise the degree
to which you're destroying yourself now
will be heightened.
You will destroy yourself that much more with a million.
If you're destroying yourself with $50 a week,
how much more will you destroy yourself
and destroy others with a million?
So he's like, okay, you've asked for that,
and if that is the desire, if this is what you want to do,
okay, I'll govern, I'll father you
into how to govern that appropriately
before you actually have it,
before you actually see it in your life.
So that's one of the reasons
why sometimes we might see a time delay.
And there are other things, you know,
that in the father's heart, the father's like,
yeah, but what it is you think that you want,
what you think will actually give you your heart's desire,
I know your heart's desire,
and that thing won't give it to you.
So no, we're not gonna manifest that
because you're asking me truly
to give you your heart's desire,
and I can tell you that that's not it.
So I'm gonna, so trust me
that I want us to do this other thing instead,
but I want you to do it with me.
Please don't abandon me
to follow your own path and do what you want.
Please step into this with me, trust me,
and let's do this other thing that I've,
that I know is actually something
that you're going to love doing with me,
and that you're gonna love the end result of.
So as far as like how big to claim things,
like it's in that whole prosperity gospel, et cetera,
I've always heard about the prosperity gospel.
I'm not 100% sure about what it is.
I think that it's basically the idea
that God wants everyone to be rich,
and that you can,
and that if God wants everybody to be rich,
everybody can claim it.
But I think maybe that's it.
So we're gonna go with that as the prosperity gospel.
And the thing is that we've misunderstood
what wealth and poverty actually look like,
and we believe that it is attributed
to actual material things
and ways that things manifest.
It's a very worldly perspective.
And God, the way the spirit moves
is not according to what it is that we actually see
and how it actually manifests in physical possession.
and actual titles and positions of power and fame and whatever that we have on the earth.
God's like, no, no, no, that's not actual. That's, how do I word it? That does not always
accurately reflect value and richness and riches from a spiritual perspective. And we
are spirit. So that's where we want, it's the things that are eternal, that are out
of the tree of life, that have life bread in them, that we want to be part of. Not things
that look good and they look comfortable and it looks like it would give us security, money,
power, fame, a house, whatever. He says, you know, that those things are not accurate reflections
of your true safety and your true provision and your true, whatever. I know that the Lord
is, I know that I'm not doing everything perfect, but that in many ways, and I got this from
him this morning, which is what I was talking to, answering Natalie about, I was asking
Gloria, I don't know, am I doing the right things here in certain areas of my life? Am
I not? Am I, should I be doing something else instead? And I was so worried that something
was wrong somewhere. And God said, no, you're just where you're supposed to be and you're
doing it the way you're supposed to do it. I'm like, okay, but I don't have a house.
I'm living with other people. I'm living on somebody else's mercy and grace, you know,
and there, and, but God is pleased with me. So it doesn't, but possessions don't mean
anything by the worldly standards. People look at me and say that I don't, I don't have
much and that God apparently isn't pleased with me because they're looking at it from
a worldly perspective. So the whole prosperity gospel is looking at things according to the
tree of knowledge of good and evil and comparing God against that. Okay. Well, hopefully that,
hopefully that made sense. But there was something else I wanted to say, because I felt that
it was going to answer a bit of your question related to the, the millions, like how to,
to make sure that we don't outclaim God. And wealth is being content with him, with him,
knowing he has everything that we need. Very nice. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah,
that's a very nice way to say that. So for, yeah. So understanding how to not outclaim God,
that is something that we have to learn how to do. And I really understand. And it's something
that he fathers us into because there does get to be a point at which he,
as we mature in our relationship with him, where we can actually claim that God will do something
that he has not said he will do. And we claim that he'll do it. And he will follow through
because we said it, we said that he would do it. And he's like, okay, I'll back you up on that.
I didn't tell you I was going to do that, but you said I was going to do that. So I'll back you up
on it. But he, he doesn't do that with people that are operating, that are talking about,
that are claiming that from the tree of knowledge of an evil, where they decided they want certain
things. And they're claiming that God's going to, God is going to be a genie to give them the
things that they think that they have to have in order to provide for and protect themselves
because they're abandoned by God. God won't do that. But when someone's abiding in the father's
heart and they sense the father's heart, they sense his love for other people, they sense
this is what my father would do in this situation. And I know that because I'm abiding in rest and I'm
sensing the spirit. And therefore I know he would do this type of thing from that kind of a place,
which we have to be fathered into, into that type of spiritual maturity, then he will come through
like that. And there are areas in which I, I, I've like dipped my toe in that and he has followed
through that I've claimed, God, you are this good. And this is the kind of thing that you would do,
that I had to do it from a place of rest. And when I did it, he came through and he backed me up when
I said it. Now there, it wasn't like in like a house or, or whatever, but he's, he's teaching me
how to, how to know who he is and what his character is and what it is that I can claim
about who he is and how he will come through before he even has to say it, that, that he'll do it.
Does that make sense? So, and I don't mean to make your, the answer to your question complicated,
but I did want to be very honest about it, about the fact that, you know, generally about comparing
the superficial way to view it, versus like, like, well, I want a million dollars and can I just
claim a house and well, no. However, when we when we mature to a particular point in the Lord,
and we know his Father's heart, and we speak from the Father's heart from that place,
he does get to a point where he will back up things that we claim he will do,
before he's even said he's going to do it. So, but that comes out of relationship,
not out of, well, I'm going to treat God like a genie and I'm going to claim that he's going to
do these things. Does that make sense? I wanted to be honest that there is such a thing,
but it's out of relationship, not out of a feeling of isolation and abandonment.
Yeah, that totally makes sense. And then, as I've been thinking about this and kind of
processing everything, it just seemed like Lord kept telling me like, it doesn't, it's not a,
it's not about manifesting certain things into the earth, it's just about relationship.
And it seems like every every corner that I come around to in different stages of life,
it's always that it's always that reminder that it's not like the things that I want and the
things that I desire and the things I'm going through are legitimate and they're real and they
concern the Lord, but it always comes back to relationship. Somehow it just, it always circles
back to relationship with the Lord. And I just think it's really special because that's what,
that's what I felt like I lacked for so many years. And so it's just, you know, it's just
around every turn. It's like, no, it's just about a relationship. And that totally answers my
question because it reminded me of that one time when I think I had posted in the group about how
the one day I just really felt like the Lord wanted to really bless us financially with a
check from one of our clients. And I was just like, yeah, I know the Lord's going to do it.
And I just declared that he's going to send us a check. And then we got the check and it was like
totally, totally out of the blue. And it wasn't, it just happened. Like it wasn't,
it wasn't any big deal, but it was just that there was not a shadow of a doubt in my mind
that I knew that God was going to not come through that way. But I mean, that hasn't
happened very often, but I know what you were, I know what you meant, but it came from that
relationship, but it came from, from the relationship, from drawing in the relationship
with the Lord. But I just think it's really fascinating how around every bend, it's just
the Lord constantly reminding me that it's just always comes back to relationship with him.
Yeah. And that, that's the whole point. And that's why I talk, you know, about the dreams
and the promises and whatever the whole point is. Him saying, Hey, look, you can believe that I'm
this big and I'm giving you, I'm giving you an offer. Um, I'm, I'm inviting you to have faith
in a promise that I'm giving you. And that promise is the fact that I am this good,
not that this thing's going to happen, you know, that I am this good and that I am this big and
that I am this love and I will do and whatever it's me. I am the promise. And, um, uh, and that's
why I talk about that because the whole point of it is the relationship and just like in,
in, in the journey, you know, when we talk, we talked the other day, I think it was like
four weeks ago on a community Q and a, we were talking about, um, uh, uh, destinies,
like all my work. What if I miss my destiny? What if I miss my calling and whatever? And,
and God is, is just saying, um, you know, no, the point that your destiny is to mature in
relationship is to have that intimacy with the Lord. It's not to reach a particular point that
he said, Oh, well, you know, I want you to be, um, I want you to be a missionary to China and
that is your destiny. And, um, so you've got to do everything right in order to fulfill your
destiny, because I'm calling you to bring 500 souls to Christ. And I'm like, Oh my word. What
if I miss it? What if I miss my destiny? What if I miss my calling? No, our destiny and our calling
is the intimacy of relationship with him. And we, we will, um, and then, um, uh, it will,
we can choose to what degree on that journey we're, we're learning to what degree that we're
choosing to believe God, that God is as big as he says. Yes. That's what all those promises are.
They're, they're, they're, um, they're drawing us further and further down the road in our,
in our, in the journey of, um, believing that God is as big as he says that he is. And so he gives
bigger promises and more promises and air promises in different areas, because it's his character
that he's promising in order to foster that relationship, the intimacy, because it's from
intimacy that we are given responsibility to govern where God says that we're going to govern.
Like, you know, according to how
we handle smaller responsibilities is going to determine, and this is in the parable of
the talents, where he says, you know, those who are given, or handle responsibilities well,
you know, will be given five cities, but those who handle responsibility really well,
they're going to be given 10 cities in the next life, you know. And so the intimacy with the Lord
gives us responsibility. And it gives us, you know, obviously in the spirit and maturity,
and it's from, it's from oneness and intimacy, that greater responsibility to govern things
comes from governing more lives, governing lives that have a heavy weight on them, etc.
Like, for instance, if a woman I'm just using this as an example, if a woman carries something
of the Lord, the man that the Lord wants to, wants to unite her with, has to be able, he is
called by the Lord and prepared by the Lord to carry the responsibility of providing for and
protecting and covering her that is carrying something of the Lord, kind of like a man,
you know, covering like Joseph was sent by the Lord to cover and provide and to cover Mary,
and because Mary was carrying something of the Lord, she was she was bearing a child. And,
and so anyway, that's just a physical example of ways that, that God raises us in order to
be in intimacy and oneness with him to be able to bear the responsibility of
something in your, like 10 cities or a marriage or whatever. I don't know if I just added in
another little thing that made that sound complicated, but I was just trying to give
another example. Does anyone have anything else? An hour goes by fast.
All right.
Oh, Amy, did you have something? No, you know, I was just gonna say I'm good. Thanks.
I hope you get to feeling better. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm doing good. Thank you.
It's good to get to see everybody. I'll see y'all. And I guess, I guess next week,
I do not know where I'm going to be next week. I don't know if I'm going to be here or in
Louisiana. It's a moving target. I was supposed to already be where was I supposed to be at?
I was supposed to go to Houston tomorrow. Plans changed again, because of this whole,
you know, that which shall not be named. It keeps changing my plans.
I'll eventually, I'll eventually be doing one of these from either Louisiana or Arkansas.
So anyway, but it's good to get to know y'all. Y'all let me know if you need something.
Huh? I did have, I did want to ask real quick, if you ever posted the
video from last week's group session? No, not yet. So I'm gonna, I'm trying to get through them.
So I already had two that I'm, I have one that I published right before we got on. And now,
and I have another one that I'm was, I'm just about to publish right after we get on this call.
And then I have like, and then the one you're talking about is two more after that. So I'm
trying to get to them as fast as possible, night or hopefully tomorrow. Okay, I'm really behind.
I'm like, at least not behind. But I'm trying to catch up. Okay, I just want to make sure I didn't
miss it. I kept looking for it. And all right. Yeah, no, sorry about that. I know y'all.
It's one of those things you just you just rest and grace for yourself and not think I should
and I shouldn't. And I should have by now. And I just let it all go.
Anyway, so well, I love all of y'all. And y'all let me know if you need something.
All right. Thank you. Have fun on your traveling. Be safe.
Bye.