again.
Hey!
I'm in the middle of fixing dinner, so I'll probably just listen. Is anyone else on?
No, I think that Steph was on for a little bit, but she's not on right now.
And I'm thinking I might need to move because it is very hot where I am.
I need to move.
We'll see how many people are able to jump on tonight.
I had, let's see here, just a sec.
It's still light where you are too. Are you in mountain time or Pacific time?
I'm in mountain time right now.
I'm in Denver, Colorado.
It is 7 o'clock here for me.
I was in my room and it is very hot in there, so I'm going to see if I can move to a different location.
Maybe this will work better.
Yay!
I'm in the living room.
Ah, there we go.
So how have you been?
I'm good, yeah.
You know, just kind of trudging along, but had that interesting revelation from Mia's offhanded comments.
That was great and so encouraging.
It was just funny. It was really like a light bulb went on when she said it.
Yeah, that's great. It was very encouraging to me as well.
And I thought it was just a very worthwhile statement to have that written up and posted.
And a lot of other people have come up with, I've loved how different people have worded different things.
Like they've taken these concepts and they've worded them very differently.
And so when you, and I thought, you know, I wish others in the rest intensive could hear the way that some of these people are putting it.
And just different ideas.
And it never occurred to me, I guess, to actually write them out and post them until yours.
And I thought, I could post it and say, you know, Amy, by Amy Hayes.
That was so sweet. I was like, wow.
That would be an encouragement to everybody.
I mean, because that's what we all do. We all see it from a different perspective.
With very unique wording and you never know what's going to cause something to really strike the heart of someone else.
So anyway, it's very encouraging to me. I loved it.
Just, you know, you live life expectantly and expecting surprises and all of that.
I loved it. I'm glad that it's been encouraging for you.
Yeah, very cool.
Well, you never know. I don't know if we're going to be the only ones on or not.
There's two more people.
Oh, are there?
There we go. Oh, there they are. Hey, guys.
Yeah, because I had looked at the participants list and I'd only seen Amy and I and then apparently I forget that when I'm on my phone.
I forget that I need to go to gallery view to see everybody because I'm so used to on my computer because I usually do it on my computer until I started traveling more.
On my computer, it automatically shows gallery view. So I just thought, oh, I guess we're the only ones on.
How are y'all doing?
Good here.
Good, good.
How's work going?
I mean, it's a really exhausting good time in life right now.
It's just really.
It feels like there's a lot to process with the Lord and just not very much time, but I take advantage of the times that I do have to just be with him, mainly in worship and
crying out and just, you know.
processing the emotions in that little bits of time, and then it just feels like I have to
let go of a lot of the other things for now that I want to do.
Yeah, but it's good just through different times that the Lord wants to focus on certain things.
And the nice thing is that if He wants to focus on other things, He'll sustain us in the things
that we can't focus on. He'll sustain us in all of them, and we don't have to focus on them in
order for Him to still uphold us in those areas. So it's not like, oh my goodness, well, if I don't
focus on it, it's going to go to hell in a handbasket. You know, the Lord will take care of
all of that. That's well said. Yes, that's really good. Yeah, so good. Yeah. Yeah. Well, what?
I was going to say, if it was going to go to hell in a handbasket, it would have.
It would have by now. He would have taken care of things. Oh, it would have by now. Oh, got it. Got it. Yeah, it would have gone to hell in a handbasket in so many ways, you know. That's right. That's right. You know, one thing that
one thing that COVID taught me right away was how little we actually control. And I actually shared
that with someone in the ministry, and they said, oh, Amy, actually very, very little. We control very, very little. Yeah, I think we do.
Yeah. And then we panic when it looks like we're losing control. And it's like, no, just let it go.
Let him take over. Be the dad. That's right. Yeah, take a life lesson from Elsa. She had to learn it the hard way.
Let it go. Let it go. So does anyone have anything to start us off with? I have not.
I'm trying to think. I forgot to come with something. I'm sure I can think of something, but to start us off with. But, hey, Natalie.
But does anyone have anything that they wanted to start us off with? Any question or anything that they've been going through with the ward that, I don't know, kind of was given a different perspective on things?
Hi. I've finally been able to get on one. It's been kind of crazy since school started. So I've had lots of evening things now with my schedule shift. I'm sure.
This has actually been a question I've been wanting to ask you for a while was, because I know you talk about like manifesting or using that word. And so I would love to know
more about like what that looks like. Because I know it's also used a lot with like new age and stuff. And so what's a good way to explain that? Especially like I work with a lot of other Christian entrepreneur women and like to use that word. And what does that mean exactly? And how do you make sure you're not doing things that you shouldn't be? Does that make sense?
Yeah. So, oh yeah, absolutely. So for one thing,
it was our God who created it all in the first place. But the non-believers are the ones who actually took him in his word, even though they didn't know if this source was God, they took him in his word and have been able to benefit from it. They're able to operate in it.
But it's a principle that God created, not that the new age has created or whatever. And they just,
they try to remove manifestation, so to speak. I know that that's a trigger word for some people,
but they, that idea, they removed that from its original life source. And they tried to
create it from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil out of themselves where they could create
their own reality. When what God intended was that sons would mature in relationship with the
father according to the father's heart and manifest things that exist in heaven and exist in the
invisible, manifest them down into the invisible. So it's making, it's like the Lord's prayer where
it says, you know, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. So it's, so God's intention
is for mankind will originally, so when he made us a soul and body, he made us to be able to create,
to make the invisible, actually visible. And that's a manifestation. That's all it is. It's
taking what is invisible and making it visible. It's not creating something for our own selfish
purposes, believing that it's, believing that we're abandoned alone and have to protect ourselves.
And so we desire to make more money.
so we're just going to manifest it. The intention of manifestation is, and the whole definition of
it from God's perspective, is to make what already exists in the invisible realm in God,
in the Father's heart, and make it actually visible. But in order for us to do that,
we have to know the Father. We have to know the Father's heart. So that's what the manifestation
is. Manifestation happens when our soul comes into agreement with our spirit that's in heaven,
knows all things, is one with the Father, et cetera, and knows all truth, never rebels against
the Father, et cetera. When our soul comes into agreement with our spirit, therefore,
is in agreement with the Father, and then when we come into agreement with it, that's what causes
what is in heaven to manifest down into the earth. It's a chain reaction. So when our soul
comes into agreement with our spirit, it manifests down into our soul, and our soul is what always
creates the blueprint or the instruction for what the body then carries out into the visible. So
that is the biblical, godly definition and explanation of manifestation, is to make what
the thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. That's what we are here for. That's what this body
is doing. It's meant to house the invisible God, and make the invisible God visible, and as such,
it is releasing creation from frustration. It's making, see, this is creation. And so,
as we manifest who it is that we are in heaven down into the earth in our soul and in our body,
we're releasing creation from frustration, and as we do that, as we manifest that, we can then have
something to give to the rest of creation, which would be trees and animals and land and business
and finances and relationships, et cetera, because we can give away what it is that we have,
but we have to manifest who it is that we are in spirit into our soul and our body first,
and then we have it to be able to give to the rest of creation so that we release the rest of
creation from frustration. According to, I believe it's Romans 8, it says that creation is groaning
in anticipation of the revelation of the sons of God. And it's been subjected to frustration,
it says, not willingly, but in the hope that it would be able to, it would be able to,
how is it, be able to be saved by the glory of the children of God or something like that.
I forget exactly how that's worded, but anyway, I, that, that's the, can I read my version to you?
Since I'm sitting here, would that be helpful? Okay. It says, for, let's see, for I consider,
I'll start here because this is a good spot, for I consider from the standpoint of faith that the
sufferings of the present life are not worthy to be compared with the glory that's about to be
revealed to us and in us. For even the whole creation, all nature, waits eagerly for the
children of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration and futility, not
willingly, because of some intentional fault on its part, but by the will of him who subjected it
in hope that the creation itself will also be free from its bondage to decay and gain entrance into
the glorious freedom of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation has been moaning
together as in the pains of childbirth until now. What verses? Perfect. Thank you. Yeah,
that was Romans eight, starting in 18 through 22. Okay. Yeah. And there's even verses before
and after that, that give even greater context, including why we were, what salvation is,
which is a really hard one for certain, some people to swallow. But it says that it says,
I think in the later verses, that salvation was for the redemption of our bodies. Because remember
our soul has never been separate, is not separated from the Lord and has never rebelled against the
Lord. But our bodies being part of creation, we're subjected to frustration and therefore
salvation is for the redemption of our body. I mean, sorry. Yeah. For the redemption of our body,
meaning the manifestation of who it is that we are in spirit down into our body, which redeems it,
which releases it from frustration. We experience all of this pain, all of this heartache,
all the whatever that's being subjected to frustration. And that's what Jesus even had
to overcome. Jesus didn't sin and yet Jesus had to overcome because he was still put into a body.
And so he still had to overcome what always, you know, the fact that his body being in human
form was subjected to frustration. He released it and he freed it, which is evidenced by the
fact that when he died and rose again, he had a spiritual body. He had the exact same body that
he'd had before, only it had been redeemed. And because he still had all of the scars and all of
the all of the wounds in his hands, his feet, and his thigh. And so, but yet he was, he was,
he was teleporting. He was, he was bouncing from like the road to Emmaus to somewhere else. And
then suddenly he's appearing in the room with the disciples and suddenly he's disappearing from here
and appearing there. And, but he wanted them to know, Hey, look, this is still really my same
body that I died in. So to, so to speak, I mean, it'd been redeemed, but it still had the same,
same scars, the same wounds, and he could eat. That was one of the things he wanted them to know
that it was, he wasn't a ghost, his body could function, but it was redeemed. So yeah. And that's
what we're all doing. It's it's, so that's what salvation is for is, is according to Romans eight
for the redemption of our bodies, which Jesus showed us by example. Don't you mean that our
spirits were never separated from God? Cause our souls are created, aren't they? Yeah. Did I say
soul? I meant spirit. I was going to ask that too. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. So soul was created,
soul and body was created. And it's been subjected to frustration, but our spirits have not been
separated from Lord. Yeah. Never been in rebellion and all of that. So we can think of kind of like,
you know, the death of our spirit is in the fact that kind of like having a veil between our soul
and our spirit. We anyway, so we, we, we, we were blinded and we couldn't see. And then the Lord
reveals himself to us, enabling us to see and then have the ability to choose
whether or not we want to, want to believe and receive him as the only way to the father.
So that we're not thieves. So that we come through the, and I was talking to somebody else about this.
I remember who I was talking to. And I think I've talked to a couple of different people. Maybe
that's why I'm forgetting who I was talking to. But the fact that, that Jesus is the only way,
meaning that we need to believe that he is the only way by which we're able to be,
only way through whom our bodies can be redeemed. Because if we, if we, we can claim Jesus all we
want and claim his name and use his name, et cetera. But unless we believe he's the only way,
it says in the Bible, it's as if we're thieves and robbers that we're coming in. Instead of coming
through the gate, we're coming up over the fence or whatever. And those people are the only way
over the fence or whatever. And those people are ones that say, and then they, they,
because they're in, it looks like by the way that they talk, by the way that they act,
that, and they're sometimes their results as well. It can look like they're actually,
that they, that, because they're, they are benefiting from certain principles that God
put into place that it looks to them like, Oh, look, you know, we came through a different way,
but we still got in. And Jesus is like, no, that you're a thief and a robber. You didn't come in
through the, through, through the gate. You didn't come in knowing and believing and accepting and
receiving the fact that I am the only way. Your body's going to be redeemed for whom,
you know, we can have a relationship with the Lord. And the, sorry. Oh, sorry.
I've got some friends over for dinner. And so I guess one of them is, is talking to their little
kid. Um, but, um, anyway, so you remember that, and here's, here's another verse that references,
um, the, the, the fact that references, um, the, the results that people got that are,
were thieves and robbers, those that it says that, um, say to the Lord, Lord, didn't,
did we not cast demons out in your name? They used the name of Jesus and they literally cast
out demons. They didn't just, they didn't just attempt to it worked. The demons listened
and it worked and it says, and we, and we gave to the poor and we did this and we did it all in
your name. And what did Jesus say? He said, depart from me. I never knew you because they
were thieves and robbers. They thought that they could get in by themselves. Um, and, uh, and just
because it appeared that they were able to benefit from being quote unquote in the kingdom. They
actually weren't, they were just benefiting from, um, principle from operating according
to principles that God put into place. But.
They did not come in through the gate of believing, accepting, and receiving the fact that they
were unified with Jesus.
They were unified with him.
And therefore, that they were the bride and he was the groom, and it was because of all
of his death on the cross and his resurrection that we were able to be restored.
So, hey, Susan.
Yay.
Hey, Susan.
We're all so excited you're here, Susan.
Hey, Susan.
Hey, hey.
I know.
It's so rare that I get to be here.
Yeah.
I'm like, I hope you're excited.
So did that answer your question, Natalie?
I've never heard it explained like that, so that was awesome.
I've never thought about the words as much, though, when you said, I will be done on earth
as it is in heaven.
Like, I never thought about it.
Yeah.
Thank you for that.
Yeah.
Sure.
Yeah.
So did anyone have anything else?
I do have one thing to tack on the end of that, that imagine a friend of mine said that,
said this, I guess about a week ago, and it just kind of, it blew him away when the Lord
told him that, and it blew me away when I heard it, and it's the idea of what, of how
would we live our life differently, and how would we speak differently if everything that
we said came true?
And the reason that that was such a profound statement is, or question to ask ourselves
is because if we claim that we want to look like the Father, and we want to act like the
Father, and that's what the Father wants us to do, is to mature, to reflect Him, and to
look like Him, and act like Him, everything that the Father says comes true.
It says that His word doesn't come back to Him void.
And if we look and act like our Father, then God intends that everything that we say comes
true.
So how would that affect how we speak?
We think that we speak in jest.
We think that we, that it's fun, and it's okay to tease and be sarcastic, et cetera,
and I'm not saying that we just need to be like prudish, but my point is like we're teasing,
or sarcasm is negative, and actually jokingly destructive.
It's still being said.
And so anyway, if we're supposed to look and act like our Father, and everything that He
says comes to pass, and that's what He intends for us as well.
He intends that we be mature to the point where everything it is that we say comes to
pass.
Everything we say does come to pass.
I mean, everything we say, it says that we'll give account for every idle word.
Yes, correct.
And scientists say that every word ever spoken still exists somewhere in the universe.
Correct.
Yeah.
I think that our words do carry a lot more weight than we realize.
Yes, and I was, at the conference that I was in last week, a lady did a presentation on
a man, I wish I could remember his name, Dr. Emoto, I believe, E-M-O-T-O, Emoto, and he
took pictures of water droplets that had been spoken to, or had been in rooms where words
had been spoken.
I don't remember how like close the person had to be to the water, and they would make
sure that they had two separate rooms in which they would do tests.
In one room, only positive words could be spoken, and in the other room, only negative
words could be spoken, so that it could be a bit more of an even, clear-cut test.
It was shocking.
Yes!
how water forms when different words are spoken,
and when the same words are spoken in different languages.
Like, thank you in English looked different
than thank you in German, or thank you in Japanese.
And thank you looked different than beautiful,
which looks different than I hate you,
which looks different than let's do it together,
which looks different than, you know, whatever.
It was phenomenal.
It was absolutely wild how things would,
how creation would respond to frequency,
which is when we speak, that's frequency,
that's literal like energy waves, you know,
going through the earth, you know, through the air.
And so at a microscopic level,
he captured pictures of what water looks like
when different things were said.
So case in point, nature is always responding
to what it is that we're speaking.
I've also heard that due to what they've discovered
in quantum mechanics, that your car, for instance,
that the things around you, material things,
house the memory of everything that's ever happened
or has been spoken around it.
So that the car, that a car and all of its molecules
and everything still houses every, as a memory,
everything that's ever been said or experienced in the car,
or around the car, to the car, whatever.
And it was wild.
I mean, the things, the understanding that opened up
when people began to research quantum mechanics
and began to learn about it,
because it operates very differently than physical laws
and it, so anyway, thought that was wild.
But we, everything it is that we do and that we say
and makes an impact in the world,
because that's the whole, that's what we were intended for.
It's not some magical thing like, oh my goodness,
this just, wow, this makes us all uncomfortable.
No, that's the point.
That's why we were put on earth,
is because everything is supposed to be impacted by us.
And we are supposed to interact with the world
based off of our relationship with God
and being in the heart of the father,
not us deciding in our own will
what it is that we want to do.
And I mean, what I mean is like in our own soulish will,
soulish, you know, like selfishly, the selfish desires
of this is what I want to do, et cetera.
Sorry.
All right, let me just make sure.
I'm getting a bit of feedback.
So if you, when y'all need to speak,
just feel free to unmute yourself.
But anyway, it's not like this has been
kind of like a side note of life.
It's the very reason that we were put here on earth
is to make the invisible visible.
So that's why everything responds to us.
And that's why there is spiritual warfare.
It is warfare against us manifesting the spirit
down into the visible.
That's when we encounter spiritual warfare.
Spiritual warfare is not a threat to our spirit.
It threatens when the soul tries to,
when things try to pass from the soul realm into the,
sorry, from the spirit realm into the soul and body realms.
And to make it actually visible.
And so that's why we're put on earth.
And that's why it's everything responds to us
and why it still holds memories of things
that have been spoken to it and around it,
interacted with it, the intention,
the frequency of our intention.
And no, I'm not trying to sound new agey
when I say that.
Literally that if you just intend something to happen,
scientists can measure the impact of things around you
just by having an intention towards it.
They've studied this thing and they've reported on it.
Where things don't have to be said,
someone just has to have an intention towards something.
And they can measure differences in how creation responds.
And these are non-believing scientists
that measure all of this stuff.
So we are meant to bring heaven into earth.
So that's why all creation responds to us.
So we'd always want to put out positive things
that reflect the heart of our father.
we do that unless we know the heart of our Father. So that's what we're being matured into.
But yeah, I just wanted to mention, you know, how different, get us to think, you know,
how different would we act and what would, how different would we speak if everything
we said came to, came to pass. We'd be more intentional with the things that we said and
don't say. Amen, sister. Amen to all that, sister. That's right.
So does anyone have anything else? I have a question. Yeah. I'm not sure
if I have the wording for it in the first try, but we'll see. I guess,
how are we, how do we operate from, from a place of rest and not anxiety and love
when, when we're being, when we're being abused or wronged? Like what does it look like to
both stand up for yourself and have, you know, boundaries and dignity and everything we're
talking about manifesting, you know, heaven on earth and everything that you're doing
while there's the opposite force, you know, coming against you. But not feeling like it's
coming against you, like not feeling, you know, being at peace and being at rest in that very
real reality, you know, that it's coming. So like when, you know, for me, like I'm in this,
this, you know, legal custody, ongoing battle and just a really intense,
what's narcissistic abuse, if you're familiar, that's the best way to term it. I'm not trying to
like label. It's just, it's just the only way I know how to describe ongoing, you know, so there's
ongoing threats and lies and manipulation and attempts to like literally take you down in every
area. So what does it look like to, like, I know I'm experiencing the whole shift into this. So
I'm not asking from a place of like, I have no idea. It's just, are there, do you have any thoughts
on now that I'm at peace? I know the outcome. I know the father's heart. I know, you know,
all this, it's just walking it out. Now I'm just walking it out in the, whatever it looks like to
have to get an attorney that can take us now through a trial. Cause we're at that place of
mediation, not having worked. And that was my last choice before trial.
So it's like a complete, okay, here's all this clarity because mediation was the last thing that
I was asked to try that I was required to try both from the spiritual standpoint, from what he's,
he told me directly and what the legal requirements and that was it was over before it started. So he
wasn't interested. So it's, you know, now that I know that there's all this clarity on, okay,
there's, there's literally no other options, but after four and a half years of trying everything
you can think of and $70,000 later, like there's no other options except to trust the father for
provision for an attorney and a trial. And I am at peace with that. Yet I have to walk it out. And
I've told him like, and this is something that has come through this shift that I haven't been
able to share with you girls, but definitely come through this, this shift during these couple
months is, you know, being able to say like, whatever it looks like, like, I don't, I, I'm not
going to operate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and say, what is, what is successful
and what is the way that, you know, I'm not going to judge how it looks. And I'm not going to judge
how he goes about fulfilling his promise to us in this and redeeming this. I'm not, I'm not going to,
and I've told him like, I'm relying on your character and whatever it looks like, however,
it goes down. This was even before mediation. Like if you want to bring it through mediation,
if you want to suddenly change his heart, God, and do a miracle there, if, if it means more,
you know, more suffering through this fall and maybe it looks really heated and whatever,
but I'm still holding onto your character. And when you promise, I'm not going to look at what
happens and judge it. According to that, I'm going to judge it based on what you said and who you are.
So that's a huge, like surrender piece already that has me just in this. Okay. So
all there is, is like I said, you know, trusting him to provide, we've already
spent so much money that I know $5,000 for the right attorneys, nothing to God, like I'm not like,
you know, there's a part of me that's like, okay, God is another thing. And then it's like,
well, you brought us this far. We're so, so, so close. So what's that, you know, to you? So
trusting, I guess that's part of what I'm talking about, even like trusting him to provide to go up
into a fight that I don't want to have, you know, I don't want a trial. I don't want a battle. You
spent the thousand dollars on mediation and he said, basically threw it away the opportunity.
So what does it look like to enter the fight that I don't want to be in that I don't consider really
a fight, but I have to stand up for myself and my kids without feeling like I'm in a fight
posture. And he's giving me this heart of love. That's like soft, even through, you know, the
hate that's coming my way. It's like, I'm just weeping and worship going like, thank you for
keeping me soft, God, like that. I can see beyond all of this with a heavenly perspective is such a
gift because I could be so bitter right now. And I don't want to be hate. I don't want to be come
the same thing that I've been, you know, wounded by out of my own pain. So, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So, um, the thing is that we, you know, the anxiety and the stress comes from,
from believing that we're, that we're abandoned alone in lack and that things aren't going that
God will not protect us. Um, so that's what it's revealing. It's because there's, there's,
there's degrees to which we are coming into agreement with the fact that he will provide
for and protect us. And so that's great. The stress and the anxiety are, are revealing the
deeper measures to which we're not in agreement with him. And that's okay because we don't have
to, um, uh, it, this is, this is an ongoing journey of overcoming, of overcoming in the soul and in
the spirit, in the body and revealing who it is that we are in spirit down to the soul and the
body. And, and there's, there's a lot, there's a lot of land, there's a lot of giants in that land.
And so we have to overcome. There's no reason for us to be discouraged or frustrated that,
oh my word, I'm still anxious and stressed. And I thought, and I thought I've overcome so much.
Yeah, there's, it just reveals deeper layers. And that's the whole point. God wants those layers to
be revealed so that we can overcome them so that we can, because whether or not we acknowledge them
and know that they're there, whether or not we acknowledge them, they're still there. So God
wants to reveal them so that we can deal with them and so that we can overcome. So it's the
belief that stress and anxiety is the feeling that we're under threat, that something won't happen
the way that we want it to, that we need it to, um, and that God is going to, has abandoned us
and left us in the place of black. Thank you. I'll be out in probably about 20 minutes or so.
Um, and, um, Sam, I think it's something else that I was going to say about that
when you were talking, um, it's wonderful how much you are choosing to believe, um, uh, that,
that you are keeping that soft heart with the Lord and, uh, and soft heart of compassion towards
those that are, um, you know, that you feel attacked by under, so you come constantly,
it, we have the choice to come to greater and greater agreement that, okay, God,
I'm choosing to believe that I'm not under threat. Um, I'm choosing to believe that,
um, I am spirit and that it cannot threaten me. It can attack me. It can try to come against me.
Satan came against Jesus and Jesus didn't feel threatened. Um, and, uh, and he was able to deal
with it, but Jesus interacting with Satan, the way that he did when he was tempted was Jesus
overcoming and the way that he overcame and in, um, in the, uh, in the wilderness, the way that
he overcame was by the word he used God's word. And I don't mean the scripture. I mean, he used,
he used the living word that comes, that emanates from God. And, and, um, then, but
anyway, and then, and Jesus spoke that he's like, this is who God is. I am constantly declaring
God's character three different times. He declared different aspects of God's character that, um,
in which Jesus could say that it will, according to the word that emanates from God I'm provided
for. And then the next time it was through the, you know, through the character that emanates
from God or the word that emanates from God through his character, you know, it, um, I'm,
I'm unprotected. And then the last one was that he was.
he was identified, who he was joined with, etc. So Jesus overcame against Satan, and that's what
we're called to do as well. And it's constantly relying on the Word and what emanates from God's
character. That's what it is that we can rely on, and that's what allows us to overcome.
But we're not threatened. We're not under, in other words, we're not under threat.
We cannot be overcome unless we believe that we can be. And when we believe that we can be,
it's that we're not in agreement with the truth. It doesn't change the truth.
We just don't get to benefit from the truth. Does that make sense? So anyway, did I answer
enough of what you were talking about? I thought there were several things that I was thinking of
while you were talking, and I wanted to address them. Things like, for instance, your peace,
the stress, the anxiety. I also wanted to talk about the fact that you can know that you're not,
even though you're being attacked, it's very different than being actually threatened.
Oh, there was another thing. I don't know how many of y'all know this. I think I may have
mentioned it to a few of y'all here and there. I've been through a lawsuit. I've been sued. It
was in business, something that I did not do. And it was the ugliest thing. I cannot even tell you
the amount of evil that was in that. It was, I mean, oh, it was dark. It was so dark. People
unconnected, they were, oh, hard to describe. Anyway, I won't go into how dark it was. I mean,
it was bad. We're talking about really long connections in all of this evil stuff
to the underworld. It was bad. And I'm just going, what on earth is going on? Lord, will you protect
me? I just feel like, I don't want to say a victim, but Lord, I don't know what's going on.
And I just felt picked up and carried around. What do I do? And how do I handle this situation?
And he told me, he gave me multiple, he gave me a couple of different dreams.
And one of them, I'll just tell you one really briefly, me and the other two people that were
with me that were sued, I dreamt that we joined this community. And in this community, it was
like this cave-like community. We had to go down into it. And it was this community. It was a
prophetic dream that God was explaining something to me. We were in the middle of this really evil
lawsuit. We were at a horrible attack. The people were so bad. And the lawyer, the prosecuting lawyer
was so bad that when I was deposed, he treated me so horribly that the judge who watched the
recording and read this stenographer's report afterwards, raked him over the coals publicly
in the courtroom for how he treated me and said, a lawyer should be above that. Don't ever
insult your profession again by treating anybody like that.
That was just one thing. It was bad. I mean, I don't know if any of y'all have been deposed, but it's like
sometimes you just walk out of there and it's like blood dripping off of you. It's so awful.
And God gave me, like I said, God gave me this dream where we were down in this community
and the people were telling us all the rules of the community. Oh yeah, this is how it
works and works down here. And then at strategic times, we walk over to this wall
and when we, and I don't know if it's like once a week or once a month or once a year, I don't know,
whatever it was, we walk over to this wall and we stand facing this wall with offerings.
It were offerings of like, I don't know, I think it's food. I think it was some kind of food.
And they said, and ghosts appear to our community. I think it was once a year maybe.
And we give them this food and they have never ceased to appear. So me and my friends are just
kind of like, well, this is weird. This is kind of creepy. I don't know about all this, but see,
we joined this community. I mean, not like on purpose, but I don't know why we were just like
subject to it. We were just down there and we couldn't get out. I don't know what the deal was.
It was a dream. You know, they're just weird. So we go over there, over there to the wall with
everybody else. The ghosts have never ceased to appear. The people around us are with their food
offerings. And we're all just kind of looking around and getting kind of scared. Like, oh my
goodness, what are we, should we expect to happen? The ghosts never appeared and they had never
ceased to appear. And so the Lord was showing me in that dream. He's like, Ashley, you're in the
middle of a lawsuit. You're in the middle of a court system.
and a very corrupt, a very corrupt court system.
I mean, people were in each other's pockets,
you know, and lawyers were in the judge's pockets
and vice versa, it was awful.
And he said, Ashley, do not worry,
I'm gonna protect y'all.
And everyone's giving you advice
about how things are gonna turn out.
He said, but he said, y'all belong to me
and those things will not happen.
And people around you will not understand it
because it's never ceased to happen
the way that they're telling you it's going to.
And sure enough, it didn't.
Well, the whole lawsuit ended very anticlimactically
with a complete walk away.
No money exchanged hands,
almost essentially no agreement were made.
I mean, it was just boom.
We just both decided to walk away
out of a terrible, after a very ugly long deal.
And I asked the Lord, I said, Lord,
why does this feel so anticlimactic?
And he said, it's because you and your friends
were put there as a catalyst to trigger something
that I wanted to be dealt with, with all of these people.
And so he said, the whole lawsuit was not about y'all.
It was to trigger issues that were going on
and agreements that these other people
had made with the evil one, with demonic spirits.
And he said, and I needed to bring it to the light
and I needed to deal with it.
And he said, that's why it was so anticlimactic
because y'all weren't supposed to get restitution
for anything, Ashley, because it wasn't about y'all.
It was about, I could trust y'all in the situation
as a catalyst, allowing y'all and your presence
to be the trigger for me to be able to deal
with the evil that was going on around you.
So the reason I tell you that, Lisbeth,
is as an encouragement that things can look
and feel very ugly, but you're not under threat.
It can feel like you're the one in the middle of the battle.
Things were so bad in my situation.
Our lawyer was our own enemy.
It was bad.
Your lawyer was what?
Was our own enemy.
Like for instance, we went to, this is just one example.
He was fighting against us.
He was making deals with the other lawyer behind the scenes.
And then he was, one time we all went to court
and I say we all went to court,
like me and my friends, we were appearing
for a court session and we're sitting outside the chambers
and we're waiting and waiting and waiting.
Our lawyer, the other side hasn't shown up.
The other lawyer hasn't shown up.
Our own lawyer hasn't shown up.
What's going on?
We call our lawyer and the lawyer's just like,
yeah, yeah, that's been canceled.
Our lawyer never told us it had been canceled.
He was trying to control us.
And so he let us think that we had this court date
and he didn't let us know that it had been canceled.
And he did it on purpose.
It was terrible.
And that's just tiny little things
of the evil underground world
that he was actually connected to.
So anyway, we were just like babes and novices
and we're just scared and we don't know what's going on.
And we just had to rely on the Lord
and the Lord just protected us
when we were naive and innocent
and had no idea of the evil that was going on around us
and how to even combat it.
So my point is that the Lord,
if battle is the Lord's and you just rest in him,
you don't have to try to be smarter than the system.
You don't even have to know what's going on.
You do try to gain wisdom.
You do gain knowledge.
We did that.
But at the end of the day,
you understand that it's not up to you
and it's not your intelligence.
It's not your wisdom that will rule at the end of the day.
It's the Lord's provision and the Lord's protection.
And it's his righteousness and judgment
that is being brought about in your situation.
So it's not you deciding this is the righteous thing.
And so therefore I'm gonna ensure that this is accomplished.
No, the only reason that you,
the whole reason that you know that
that it's a righteous thing
is because God has declared it to be so.
So if God's the one who's declared it to be so,
and all we're doing is repeating his words after him,
let him fight the battle.
It doesn't mean that you don't do things, that you don't have activity, but the weight
and the burden does not rest on you.
And you are not being threatened.
It is Christ in you that is making the forces that are coming against you mad and that the
forces coming against you are trying to attack.
So anyway.
So when it comes to us partnering with him, like when you talked about earlier, you said,
you know, obviously if you don't believe it doesn't change the fact that something's true,
but you said, you know it, but you don't get the benefit of it without the belief, right?
Without the faith.
And so that plus, you know, talking just now about like decreeing and declaring, you know,
over a situation, you know, if it's, if it's his, you know, sometimes it's like, well then,
you know, what, what is, for instance, what is, I believe is best for, for, for me and
the children, what he's promised us, you know, is not exactly clear except that we have freedom
that we haven't had and that we have, that's going to have to look like a lot of different
things in custody, like to have that freedom that we haven't had, because we've been in
this round and round and round we go with his power control.
So it's like, do you declare and decree in your, you know, in your godly wisdom, what
the spirit is, is showing you just kind of what, you know, overall that this needs, there
needs to be liberation and, and redemption and, but I don't know, you know, does that
mean he should still get time with the children or lots of time with the children or different
things like that?
Is that like, where you let, you partner with the Lord and tell him what you want and then
he ultimately decides, you know, what, what will happen?
Or are you decreeing and declaring it as someone with authority in him, like the specifics
of this, this is going to happen?
Well, you can't, we, we do declare with an element of, of authority, but it's the element
of authority that we have matured to in him up to that point, to, and to know what the
father's heart is, and we can come into agreement with the father's heart and declare an authority.
This is what the father's heart is, this is what he and I have, have, have decided together.
So, and, and if you don't know what that is, you know, you can declare it to the degree
that, you know, the additional part, you know, the part of like, well, I don't know exactly
what the father's heart is, you know, kind of like, kind of like you right now, you're
just like, okay, so how much custody should he be allowed to have?
You, you present your desires to the father.
Again, that doing it though, from as, as much as possible from reflecting what you believe
his character is and what his character would desire, but don't worry if, if there's some
of your soul as well, that's just like, Lord, I really want this, I really want that because
you are still a child, you know, and I don't mean like a young child, but I just mean you're,
you're an offspring of the Lord that he's still maturing and therefore learning how
to look like your father and you're learning more of who it is that your father is so that
you can reflect his character.
My point is you're on a journey and the Lord receives you wherever it is that you are on
your journey.
He doesn't look at you and go, you know what, yeah, you're, you're, you're, you're still
lacking this much, you know, and, and in order to partner with me, you need to have come
this far and you're just not there yet.
No, the Lord knows that you are going through this to the right now where, sorry, I'm trying
to think about it, how you grammatically say what I'm, what I'm, what I'm thinking
of in my head, but he's very aware of at what point you are on the, on the journey of believing
him, of partnering with him, hearing his heart, understanding his spirit, speaking to him
with, with authority.
It's, it's, it's a process.
It's a process of kind of like, of trying like, okay, Lord, I think this is coming into
agreement with you.
And I don't really know if this is your heart, but this is what it is that I want.
And I'm going to present it to you.
This is, this is my heart's desire.
This is what I'm currently feeling and believing right now.
I don't know how much this is a reflective of your character, but I, I'm blending, you
know, Lord, I choose your character over what it is I want.
Like what Jesus prayed in the garden, your will, not my will be done.
This is what I, this is what I desire, Lord.
If it, if it be possible, would you allow this cut to pass for me?
However, your will not mine be done.
He still presented what he wanted.
Jesus asked that the cup would pass.
passed from him. He asked that it would. And my goodness, that's what brought us salvation.
He asked that he wouldn't have to go through what he went through, that the cup would pass
from him. But he said, but I choose your will over mine. And so if Jesus can present what it
is that he was and what he was desiring. And I don't believe that Jesus was abandoning us
in that and desiring to abandon us. I believe what it was is he was honestly presenting his
soul to the Lord because it says that his spirit was willing, but his flesh was weak.
I personally do not believe that he was talking about the disciples when he said that. When he
was going back to the disciples and he said, oh, you're still asleep. He's like, you need to stop
falling asleep. I'm asking you to stand guard and watch for me because he said, the spirit is
willing, but the flesh is weak. Personally, I believe, not everybody believes this. I personally
believe he was talking about himself. His spirit was willing, but his flesh was weak. He went and
he was struggling to the point that he sweated drops of blood. Scientifically and medically,
that means that you're under so much distress that the capillaries next to your sweat glands
burst because you're under so much pressure. And then as they burst, they enter the sweat glands,
and then you end up sweating blood. And he was under that much stress. And he asked in this
past for me. So if Jesus can present the reality of his soul and still not sin, then we can as well.
Point is, it's a journey. So don't just stand in what authority that you know that you have.
Try to act and look like your father, who it is that you believe that your father is. And your
father will not condemn you for it, for being in the middle of a journey and not fully knowing
what you're doing and why and how to do it, et cetera. So just operate in the degree that you
know so far. And it's not that he gives you grace for it. He just closes his eyes and just like,
okay, well, I'll just pretend I didn't see that. He's like, no, you're in the middle of learning
how to do it. And I'm walking with you, and you're learning in the middle of it. You're
not learning it, and then you're going to do it. No, you're in the middle of it, learning how to
do it. And God's very aware of that. So you're in a safe place to be able to be in the middle
of the journey. So you're not going to, you just keep your eyes on the Lord and position your heart
to his will, rely on his character and say, God, no matter the result, I believe that you are who
it is that you say that you are. I'm asking that you reveal who it is that you are, so I can come
into agreement with it. And I'm choosing that over everything. And while choosing that over
everything, I'm going to try to be you. I'm going to, I think that you do these kinds of things. I
think I'm seeing you do these kinds of things. I think I'm seeing, I hear you saying these kinds
of things. So that's what I'm going to do and say. So that's a bit hopeful. I mean, I know it's not
an exact answer of a formula, but this is a relationship and it's a process.
Oh, that's exactly what I want. Thank you so much. It's so,
so makes sense. And I love some of the words you're putting to the process and just,
it's comforting to hear you. I feel like I should share this with you. That's why I am
the response that it's comforting to hear you talk about the process.
Because I think, you know, even as we're trying to shift, not trying, even as we are
shifting into rest, you know, that word try, you even use the word try. Like it's okay in
our relationship with him that we try things. That's not the same as striving, which we're not
wanting to do anymore. And so, but it's good to hear you talk about the process and some of the,
the trial and error. Because I think even as we shift out of rest, sometimes we're going,
well, I'm not supposed to try. And so, you know, yeah, that made a lot of sense. Thank you.
Yeah. And if we end up trying, cause I find myself in the middle of trying and striving
all the time and I just have grace for myself and just know, okay, well that I, because I
understand I'm learning and God doesn't expect me to wake up every morning, hoping that this day,
that today, let's see how far, how long Ashley gets doing it perfectly. No, he's just like,
let's it's another day, more process.
more learning, more overcoming,
more moving into greater and greater freedom, so.
Yes, yes, amen, so good.
Well, it's good to see everybody.
I have a table full of friends out there
that are waiting to cook my steak
for me to join them so they can eat dessert.
So I will leave y'all,
but it is good to get to visit with all of y'all.
Thanks for making it tonight.
It's so exciting to get to see so many of y'all,
especially some of y'all I haven't gotten to see in a while.
So I hope y'all have a good night and take care
and y'all reach out if you need something.
Anyway, love y'all, love you guys.
Good to see you.