WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:21.000 Amy. 2 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:29.000 Hey, Amy. 3 00:00:29.000 --> 00:00:47.000 Hey, Amy. 4 00:00:47.000 --> 00:01:01.000 Sit. 5 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:17.000 Here we go. 6 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:35.000 Hey, Amy. 7 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:38.000 Ah, there you guys are. 8 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.000 Hey. 9 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:45.000 How you doing, guys? 10 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.000 I can hear you. 11 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:49.000 Hi. 12 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.000 Hey, how y'all doing? 13 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:53.000 Good. 14 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:57.000 Good. 15 00:01:57.000 --> 00:01:59.000 Jonathan said something about Ashley, 16 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.000 and I said she's going to be online in a minute. 17 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:03.000 You want to see her? 18 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:04.000 That's right. 19 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.000 Hey, Jonathan. 20 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:11.000 How is school? 21 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:12.000 Is it good? 22 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:14.000 Good. 23 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:18.000 Good. 24 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:20.000 Good. 25 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:24.000 Good. 26 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:27.000 They had to close this week because they had a volunteer come down with 27 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:28.000 COVID. 28 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:29.000 Oh, bummer. 29 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:30.000 Yeah. 30 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.000 So he's been home all week. 31 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.000 And then next week they're closed for Thanksgiving. 32 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:37.000 So they figured. 33 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.000 Yeah, they figured by then everybody will be clear though. 34 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:41.000 So I guess the timing was. 35 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:42.000 Good. 36 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:43.000 I know. 37 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:48.000 Yeah. 38 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.000 It was a surprise, you know, for me, of course. 39 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:52.000 Yeah. 40 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:58.000 What? 41 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:04.000 What? 42 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:11.000 I'm not sure what you're saying. 43 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.000 I don't know. 44 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:20.000 I'm having a hard time hearing over the phone. 45 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:26.000 Yeah. 46 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:32.000 Who didn't come? 47 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:35.000 I have no idea. 48 00:03:35.000 --> 00:03:37.000 No. 49 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.000 Yeah, I'm in my friend's car. 50 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.000 I'm in my friend's car. 51 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:45.000 I'm with my friends. 52 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.000 They're in the restaurant. 53 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:47.000 Jonathan. 54 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:48.000 You know who I'm with? 55 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.000 I'm with your friend, Chris. 56 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:51.000 I'm with Chris. 57 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.000 And Bartosz. 58 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:58.000 And my friend, Cheryl, and they're eating sushi. 59 00:03:58.000 --> 00:04:05.000 So I left them in the restaurant to come out in the car for the call. 60 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:09.000 I'm with my friend, Chris. 61 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.000 I'm with my friend, Cheryl. 62 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:15.000 She's with Chris. 63 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.000 Yes, I am. 64 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.000 Okay. 65 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:24.000 You smile at me. 66 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:26.000 And then I'll take a picture and I'll show Chris when I get off the phone. 67 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.000 Are you ready? 68 00:04:28.000 --> 00:04:30.000 I got it. 69 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:34.000 All right. 70 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:38.000 I'm with my friend, Chris. 71 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:40.000 They're eating sushi. 72 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.000 I told them to stop. 73 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.000 To say they're talking about me until I, until I left. 74 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:50.000 That's fine. 75 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:55.000 Well. 76 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.000 So what are you going to do after this? 77 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.000 I don't know. 78 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.000 It's my goal to make you laugh, Jonathan. 79 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:07.000 My goal. 80 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:14.000 My life. 81 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.000 Oh, you're silly. 82 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:18.000 He's a silly guy. 83 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.000 We've been having good times together. 84 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.000 Good. 85 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.000 What are you doing after this? 86 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:32.000 All the conferences are done or is there something else you guys are going to? 87 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:33.000 Let's see. 88 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:42.000 Well, currently, so my default is to go to Dallas. 89 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.000 But I don't know if my plans are going to change before then. 90 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.000 So, for instance, I was supposed to be in Dallas tonight. 91 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:51.000 I was supposed to be in Dallas last week. 92 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:55.000 But plans changed last minute. 93 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:59.000 And so we decided to stay another several days. 94 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.000 So, anyway. 95 00:06:01.000 --> 00:06:03.000 So I don't really know. 96 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:04.000 I might be in Dallas next week. 97 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.000 I might be somewhere else. 98 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:10.000 So considering the fact that last night, my plans changed, 99 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:11.000 they could change again. 100 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:13.000 I don't know. 101 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:15.000 Is Chris going to be coming up to Dallas? 102 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:16.000 No, that's not the plan. 103 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:18.000 No. 104 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:20.000 I don't know. 105 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.000 I don't know anything. 106 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:24.000 I know. 107 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.000 I'm sorry. 108 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:33.000 I know. 109 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.000 Well, it doesn't look like anybody else is getting on here. 110 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:36.000 I don't. 111 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.000 Rochelle. 112 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:44.000 Rochelle keeps popping in and out. 113 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:47.000 So I don't know if it's because she's, she's like losing internet. 114 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:49.000 I don't know. 115 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:54.000 I might stay on for another several minutes. 116 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.000 Just to make sure some people pop on a little bit later. 117 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:02.000 But so how are y'all doing? 118 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.000 I hadn't gotten a chance to respond to your. 119 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.000 To your Marco polo. 120 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:14.000 And I. 121 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:19.000 Okay. 122 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:22.000 I'm going to talk about it on this recording, but I'll get back to you. 123 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.000 Okay. 124 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.000 Yeah. I don't remember the last thing I left on there. 125 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:28.000 To be honest. 126 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:29.000 It was yesterday morning. 127 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:30.000 As soon as she woke up. 128 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:31.000 You remember that? 129 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:36.000 Yes. 130 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:38.000 That was actually, I think it was this. 131 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:39.000 This morning. 132 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:40.000 I thought it was yesterday morning. 133 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.000 Yeah. 134 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:49.000 Yeah. 135 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:51.000 Yeah. I mean, I remember recording it, 136 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:53.000 but I don't remember the contents. 137 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:55.000 I don't carry things around. 138 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:56.000 In my head. 139 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:57.000 Yeah. 140 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:00.000 Some people do. I mean, there's some things that. 141 00:08:00.000 --> 00:08:04.000 But when something, it'll come back up again. 142 00:08:04.000 --> 00:08:06.000 I'll go, you know what? I need to get an answer to that. 143 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.000 And so. 144 00:08:07.000 --> 00:08:08.000 It came up and. 145 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:10.000 I'm going to ask Ashley. 146 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:15.000 I think it's a good question. 147 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:20.000 For the group. 148 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.000 Which has been kind of coming up and puzzling me a little bit. 149 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.000 I think I know the answer, but I still think. 150 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:32.000 Good to expound on. 151 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:36.000 It's it's kind of like the balance between what is my responsibility? 152 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.000 Oops. 153 00:08:37.000 --> 00:08:38.000 Can you still hear me? 154 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:39.000 Yes, I can. 155 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:41.000 Okay. 156 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:42.000 I was answering. 157 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:47.000 I was answering Rochelle. 158 00:08:47.000 --> 00:08:50.000 She's trying to get into zoom. And so I was just responding to her. 159 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:51.000 So she's going to keep trying. Go ahead. 160 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:52.000 What is. 161 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.000 How do you. 162 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:55.000 What's the balance between. 163 00:08:55.000 --> 00:09:04.000 Or how do you. 164 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:08.000 Coordinate or mesh the what is my responsibility and what is God? 165 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:09.000 And so. 166 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.000 I'm going to ask you about my oldest daughter. 167 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.000 And what she's. 168 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:19.000 Through. 169 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:22.000 And she said to me, I realized I was trying to fix this myself. 170 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:23.000 And I wasn't depending on God enough. 171 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:25.000 And so I get that. 172 00:09:25.000 --> 00:09:26.000 You know, trying to fix things. 173 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:34.000 But then. 174 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:37.000 Sometimes likes when I've been praying for her and for her husband 175 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.000 and for her son, and I'm like, okay, 176 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.000 you know what we're supposed to do? 177 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.000 Our prayer life would be over. Right. 178 00:09:44.000 --> 00:09:53.000 And so I guess just to expound on that. So. 179 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:56.000 How do you pray in situations like that? And what like, 180 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:59.000 because you can, I can fall back into, okay. 181 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:02.000 You know, like binding and loosing and sending angels and doing all 182 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:07.240 this myself or how do I, or do I just say, God, you know, uh, intervene, you 183 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:04.000 this stuff. And I'm like, okay. So am I just trying to. 184 00:10:07.240 --> 00:10:11.960 know, intervene, you know, or is that just asking God to do something that 185 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.920 he's already done and given me the power to do, or how does all of that, 186 00:10:17.280 --> 00:10:19.480 how do you sort all of that out? 187 00:10:21.000 --> 00:10:24.400 Well, um, the important thing, there's nothing wrong with this, like doing 188 00:10:24.400 --> 00:10:28.560 stuff because God intends for us to, because it's part of how we engage 189 00:10:28.560 --> 00:10:32.360 with him and dance with them is in a dancing, in a dance, both partners 190 00:10:32.360 --> 00:10:36.520 dance, one's not dragged by the other one or picked up and carried by the 191 00:10:36.520 --> 00:10:39.200 other one or whatever, you need to dance together, but he leaves. 192 00:10:39.560 --> 00:10:45.400 So in other words, it's like, uh, we believe that we believe his word. 193 00:10:45.400 --> 00:10:47.360 We believe what it is that he's declared. 194 00:10:47.680 --> 00:10:51.680 And then we can pray according to how it is that, according to our 195 00:10:51.680 --> 00:10:53.680 level of faith at the time, like, okay. 196 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.160 You know, just in, in basically asking him, okay, Lord, how 197 00:10:56.160 --> 00:10:57.600 do I engage with you in this? 198 00:10:58.040 --> 00:11:01.480 Um, you know, I'm asking that, that I don't know what's in the way. 199 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.080 I don't know what the obstacles are in this situation. 200 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:08.560 You know, can you, um, can you be, uh, moving things, um, you know, 201 00:11:08.560 --> 00:11:10.920 and then we can talk to the angels and ask them to move things. 202 00:11:10.920 --> 00:11:16.040 We can, um, uh, we can, uh, then ask him, Lord, can you show 203 00:11:16.040 --> 00:11:17.800 me what it is that I can do? 204 00:11:17.800 --> 00:11:22.920 And we can kind of like, and then we can do things by what it is that we 205 00:11:22.920 --> 00:11:24.920 declare in the spirit when we're praying. 206 00:11:25.080 --> 00:11:29.000 So when we're playing like, well, God, I declare this, I declare, you 207 00:11:29.000 --> 00:11:33.320 know, according to your word that this is, this is how, um, um, I 208 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.120 declare life over so-and-so I declare that, you know, um, all the obstacles 209 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:40.720 would be removed out of their way. 210 00:11:40.720 --> 00:11:42.600 I declare that they are life giving. 211 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:46.640 I declare that, um, you know, I don't know, whatever, you know, so there's, 212 00:11:46.640 --> 00:11:49.120 there's, that's a way in which we can. 213 00:11:49.960 --> 00:11:52.400 We can, because he's bothering us into it. 214 00:11:52.400 --> 00:11:54.680 He's not looking at us going, Hey, look, you're supposed to do 215 00:11:54.680 --> 00:11:56.840 all of this by yourself and you should know it. 216 00:11:57.240 --> 00:11:58.400 He's bothering us into it. 217 00:11:58.400 --> 00:12:00.720 Well, well, how would we parent a child? 218 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.640 We parent a child by allowing them to come to us and ask us questions. 219 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.080 And then we show them how to do it, but we also support and 220 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.160 help them in how to do it. 221 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:12.040 So we're not going to stand there. 222 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:15.000 If they're trying to lift something, that's too heavy for them. 223 00:12:15.720 --> 00:12:19.680 What we want to teach them how to lift it themselves and how to, how to, you 224 00:12:19.680 --> 00:12:23.960 know, angle this awkward package as they're lifting it, so we're not going 225 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.720 to do it for themselves so that they're just simply watching because 226 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:27.760 they already know how it's done. 227 00:12:27.760 --> 00:12:29.440 They've been watching us this whole time. 228 00:12:29.680 --> 00:12:33.440 Now they're engaged in it and we're, we're wanting them to participate in it. 229 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:35.640 So eventually when their muscles are strong enough, they can do it on their 230 00:12:35.640 --> 00:12:38.360 own, but we allow them to kind of help us do it. 231 00:12:38.680 --> 00:12:40.680 So, so the same thing with the Lord. 232 00:12:40.680 --> 00:12:43.520 It's not like he's standing there when we don't know what's going on 233 00:12:43.520 --> 00:12:44.720 and we don't know how to do it. 234 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.880 Backing off is kind of like, okay, well, you're supposed to 235 00:12:47.880 --> 00:12:49.520 have known by now how to do this. 236 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:53.120 So bind the thing or lose the thing or whatever he doesn't expect us to know 237 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:54.600 something he hasn't taught us yet. 238 00:12:54.920 --> 00:12:59.480 So it can kind of be a combination where we can just think about how we parent 239 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:03.360 a child and understand God is viewing us in that situation like that. 240 00:13:03.640 --> 00:13:07.760 And we just engage in the way that we know how and ask for help in the rest. 241 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:09.840 Okay. 242 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:13.720 As opposed to God, I want you to do this part and I'm going to leave the room. 243 00:13:14.080 --> 00:13:14.400 No, no, no. 244 00:13:14.400 --> 00:13:15.640 Well, I'm here, Lord. 245 00:13:15.800 --> 00:13:16.640 How do I do this? 246 00:13:16.760 --> 00:13:17.560 Can you help me do it? 247 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:18.680 How do I do this? 248 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.520 I think it's like this, so I'm going to try it. 249 00:13:20.560 --> 00:13:21.320 Oh, that wasn't right. 250 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:21.720 Okay. 251 00:13:21.760 --> 00:13:22.840 How do I else do I do it? 252 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:26.360 You know, it's, it's, um, that kind of a thing. 253 00:13:26.560 --> 00:13:30.560 And he's more interested in the resolution of whatever it is 254 00:13:30.560 --> 00:13:32.480 you're praying for than you are. 255 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:39.080 He's more, he's more interested in and passionate about people, um, uh, 256 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:47.040 people's lives being, um, you know, uh, uh, you know, that not, not just 257 00:13:47.040 --> 00:13:51.120 resolved, that's not the word I'm looking for, but that, that things be, 258 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:55.160 that things be peaceful, that they walk in light, that they walk in truth, 259 00:13:55.200 --> 00:13:58.360 that there'll be reconciliation or whatever the situation is that's going 260 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:02.040 on between that people are dealing with, you know, their work or their 261 00:14:02.040 --> 00:14:06.040 business, you know, their, their personal lives or their children or whatever. 262 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:11.240 So he's more interested in it than we are, but he wants us to, he wants 263 00:14:11.240 --> 00:14:12.560 to teach us how to engage with him. 264 00:14:12.920 --> 00:14:14.400 So we can ask him while we're doing it. 265 00:14:15.800 --> 00:14:16.280 Okay. 266 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:17.600 Yeah, that sounds good. 267 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:18.760 Yeah. 268 00:14:19.560 --> 00:14:20.560 Do you part your hair on the left? 269 00:14:20.560 --> 00:14:21.800 Hey, Steph and Irene, huh? 270 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:23.920 Do you part your hair on the left? 271 00:14:24.920 --> 00:14:27.880 Um, what do I, yes, I do. 272 00:14:28.560 --> 00:14:29.440 I had to think about that. 273 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:31.320 I don't know. 274 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:32.560 Where, how do I part my hair? 275 00:14:32.560 --> 00:14:33.280 Yeah, on the left. 276 00:14:33.920 --> 00:14:34.360 That's it. 277 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:36.440 My natural, uh, my natural part. 278 00:14:36.880 --> 00:14:37.200 Yeah. 279 00:14:37.800 --> 00:14:40.320 I, Steph was on here, but I don't see her anymore. 280 00:14:40.760 --> 00:14:41.080 I don't know. 281 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:42.160 Yeah, she's on here. 282 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.080 Um, she's just on mute. 283 00:14:44.120 --> 00:14:45.280 She and Irene are on mute. 284 00:14:45.280 --> 00:14:48.040 Hey guys, Steph and Irene, how y'all doing? 285 00:14:49.760 --> 00:14:51.480 Hey, I made it for a little bit. 286 00:14:51.800 --> 00:14:53.240 I know. 287 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:54.360 That's amazing. 288 00:14:54.400 --> 00:14:55.520 How is Aby? 289 00:14:56.400 --> 00:14:59.920 Uh, she was doing better this morning and kind of tangled. 290 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:06.000 this evening. So she and Dan are talking. She's feeling pretty rough still. Yeah, I'm sorry. 291 00:15:06.800 --> 00:15:11.280 I think the late night last night is getting us both. I know. I'm sorry. 292 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:23.280 She's tested positive for strep a week ago. And it just kept getting worse instead of better. 293 00:15:23.280 --> 00:15:27.520 So we were at the ER last night getting some steroids and IV fluids, 294 00:15:27.520 --> 00:15:33.600 and things like that. We got home about 2.15 and Dan got up for work at three. 295 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:41.440 It was a late night, an early morning when Emma and the dogs all woke up by eight o'clock. 296 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:46.880 Here, I just don't know how much I'll comprehend tonight. 297 00:15:48.160 --> 00:15:51.280 Sorry. Well, you look great doing it. Whatever you do. 298 00:15:57.520 --> 00:16:05.840 Yeah. Jonathan was saying the school is going really well. But there was a helper that tested 299 00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:13.120 positive for COVID. So that and Thanksgiving has it shut down for a week. So two weeks at home. 300 00:16:14.160 --> 00:16:19.440 Two weeks, this week and next week. Okay, I had it wrong. Okay. So I was like, 301 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.680 oh, well, that's handy. It happened on the same week. Good to know. So two weeks. 302 00:16:24.640 --> 00:16:28.640 Hey, Irene, how you doing? Hi, I'm doing great. Can you hear me? 303 00:16:28.640 --> 00:16:32.880 Yes, I can. Okay, because I got my earbuds on. I'm doing great. I'm sorry, 304 00:16:32.880 --> 00:16:36.000 we're running a little bit late. I couldn't get the link to work. But I'm here. 305 00:16:36.560 --> 00:16:41.920 Oh, sure. Yeah, no worries. Yeah, people. Yeah, people. And just people jump on there when they 306 00:16:41.920 --> 00:16:47.680 can. So and then Rochelle keeps trying to jump on. But I think it keeps kicking her off. So she 307 00:16:47.680 --> 00:16:53.040 keeps trying. So and I happen to be at work. So I took a break from work. I thought you see my mask 308 00:16:53.040 --> 00:17:02.800 on my face like that. Yeah. So I actually, I'm struggling right now. I have made a decision. I'm 309 00:17:02.800 --> 00:17:09.520 going to change churches. I've been at a church for 10 years. Wow, trying to figure out how to 310 00:17:09.520 --> 00:17:15.920 move on. It's kind of I kind of look in a different place. There's some things I didn't 311 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:20.880 like that happened to the summertime things. I was just like, I just how everything's been handled. 312 00:17:20.880 --> 00:17:27.760 I didn't like that. And I, I love my church. I like my pastor. I love my pastor's mother. I just 313 00:17:27.760 --> 00:17:33.280 love the people but I just feel like I'm in a different place. And I found a church my son 314 00:17:33.280 --> 00:17:38.720 who's going to college next day wants to go to and I every time he invited me to go to church, 315 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:42.640 I would always say, Oh, I'm so sorry, I can't take you because it happens. I have to look at 316 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:48.480 a sound booth because that's what I did. And then my husband was always ushering so I could never 317 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:54.800 take him to church. So now I'm going to churches and I'm so happy to see he's like being engaged 318 00:17:54.800 --> 00:17:59.920 and he wants to go to church. And that's been a long time, long thing. Like we were going to church 319 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.680 we've been going to for 10 years. When my kids are younger, they want to go to youth group. Then it 320 00:18:03.680 --> 00:18:08.080 got to a point where they weren't interested. It wasn't that interesting. And so it's been 321 00:18:08.080 --> 00:18:15.600 really important for me to see them being engaged. And I thought just me not having like when with 322 00:18:15.600 --> 00:18:21.520 COVID happening. And after that, like the church made a decision to have paid staff, which actually 323 00:18:21.520 --> 00:18:24.960 probably works out better for them. If you're paying somebody that likely they're going to show 324 00:18:24.960 --> 00:18:32.320 up. I never missed, never missed a Sunday. Like I knew I had to be there. But now like I'm not 325 00:18:32.320 --> 00:18:37.040 tied down that way. And now people are starting to ask me, Hey, how are you? Because of course, 326 00:18:37.040 --> 00:18:41.040 that's always a church and all of the aspects. And I don't know how to answer. I'm like, I want to, 327 00:18:41.040 --> 00:18:45.440 I don't know, should I write to him? And I don't want to really get into like, why? I just feel 328 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:49.440 like I'm in a different place. And I'm just in like how some things have been handled, but I don't want 329 00:18:49.440 --> 00:18:56.080 to like being going to that space because it seems kind of negative. But the same time, I feel like 330 00:18:56.080 --> 00:19:00.400 I want to move on first and foremost to be there for my son. He says he doesn't want to go to church 331 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:05.200 like last Sunday. He was going to help us on the church. It's a relatively new church is about a 332 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:10.160 year old. My career counselor connected me with this church. She told me about her brother, her 333 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:18.240 son-in-law who's starting a church with his son-in-law with her daughter. So I've loved it. 334 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:21.760 When I took my son the first time, he really loved it. And I thought, I want to come back. 335 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:27.360 I felt so heartbroken. I felt so torn because I wanted to support him, but I have this commitment. 336 00:19:27.360 --> 00:19:32.160 I do want to like meet people high and dry, but now this is the opportunity for me to be with him. 337 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:37.120 Like he wanted to like now go to church on Sunday. I said, either call the pastor or you go, 338 00:19:37.120 --> 00:19:40.640 you don't have that choice. You can't be set to like call one hour before saying I'm going to show 339 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:46.320 up. So we did go, we did go to church. So I want to be there with him so that he's not finding a 340 00:19:46.320 --> 00:19:49.680 son. He doesn't feel like getting out of bed. I don't feel like going, it's too cold. I'm like, 341 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:54.240 Hey, we've committed to it. You need to either call somebody the night before or show up. 342 00:19:54.800 --> 00:19:59.840 So he chose to show up and I was really happy. So I'm feeling torn. I don't know how. 343 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:06.200 To say I'm moving on, I'm struggling with that because I feel like I'm really a loyal 344 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:07.200 person. 345 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:10.680 And so I feel like I'm almost like, you know, I'm just feeling very conflicted about and 346 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:12.800 I don't know how to do it. 347 00:20:12.800 --> 00:20:16.440 But I need to do something because I mean, you start to be emailed by people like on 348 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:19.760 Facebook or, you know, somebody's messaging you and I'm like, I don't know what I don't 349 00:20:19.760 --> 00:20:22.960 want to say because I don't want to give you say much about it, especially come and talk 350 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:23.960 to my pastor. 351 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:31.960 So I've been giving very vague responses and I feel like I'm being pushed to like say something. 352 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:35.360 So so what's your question specifically? 353 00:20:35.360 --> 00:20:39.640 I'm not sure how to like, I haven't really talked with them, but I've just been in the 354 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:45.360 back of my mind is like, I need to like, say, I'm in a different season. 355 00:20:45.360 --> 00:20:50.720 But I think my sense of loyalty, like I feel like I have such a strong sense of loyalty 356 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:54.080 and whenever I have to say goodbye, just like I avoid doing it. 357 00:20:54.080 --> 00:20:58.400 And I know I need to do it, but I I need to do it because I hate to be people hanging 358 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:03.080 but at the same time, I feel torn because these people have been dear to me, but I need 359 00:21:03.080 --> 00:21:04.080 to support my son. 360 00:21:04.080 --> 00:21:07.320 But also there's some things I'm just like, you know what, I don't like how you guys handle. 361 00:21:07.320 --> 00:21:08.880 I'm not going to get into with you guys. 362 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.640 It's like, you know, we're all led. 363 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:15.840 And it's sort of like, it's not for me to tell the pastor how to run his church, you 364 00:21:15.840 --> 00:21:16.840 know? 365 00:21:16.840 --> 00:21:21.280 So I'm still feeling really torn. 366 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:25.640 And I don't know how to like, say that I don't know what's like, I don't say this is a protocol, 367 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:32.520 but I also want to be sensitive to at least that people be in my life for 10 years. 368 00:21:32.520 --> 00:21:39.680 I've seen a surprise in my husband, I have lost parents, he lost his mom, I lost my dad. 369 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:44.840 I've been very sad, but there were times like literally like there were times when you were 370 00:21:44.840 --> 00:21:48.960 financial things were off and they have really like helped us sometimes like they have, it's 371 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:56.840 been a great ministry they have or what is it called, I'm forgetting what the name is. 372 00:21:56.840 --> 00:22:00.080 But anyway, they have a ministry and they've just been so supportive because we don't have 373 00:22:00.080 --> 00:22:01.080 family here. 374 00:22:01.080 --> 00:22:04.360 Like my sister lives in the UK, my mom lives in Kenya. 375 00:22:04.360 --> 00:22:09.280 So just having people you can talk to can be like surrogate parents, it's been really 376 00:22:09.280 --> 00:22:12.720 helpful, especially for my kids, you know, my son. 377 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:21.480 So I'm really told well, and one of the things that you that I just wanted to mention to 378 00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:33.520 give you encouragement is I also grew up where inconsistency was a sin. 379 00:22:33.520 --> 00:22:39.880 So in other words, and I've had to learn that that's actually wrong. 380 00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:41.520 It's not true. 381 00:22:41.520 --> 00:22:49.960 And that what we have what we've termed as, as, you know, as what the standard that we've 382 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:55.080 set that well, consistency equals loyalty. 383 00:22:55.080 --> 00:23:01.320 And this whole idea of consistency is godly and inconsistency is a sin, etc. 384 00:23:01.320 --> 00:23:03.680 Well, that doesn't leave any room for change. 385 00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:09.040 And all over the Bible, it talks about constantly, that we need to repent, meaning that we need 386 00:23:09.040 --> 00:23:14.720 to change from one being in one season that God moved us into, into a new season that 387 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:16.440 God's wanting us to move into. 388 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:20.080 So consistency doesn't leave any room for that. 389 00:23:20.080 --> 00:23:27.000 So my point is, that we can relieve ourselves of believing that there's this standard, that 390 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:32.480 it's actually the world that has that, that is set up this standard, because they needed 391 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:36.520 a way by which to measure themselves and others. 392 00:23:36.520 --> 00:23:39.880 We did, you know, I'm not trying to villainize the world as if we're not part of it. 393 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:46.760 I mean, we, we helped create this system and, but it's not true in the eyes of God. 394 00:23:46.760 --> 00:23:48.680 We're not being held to that in the eyes of God. 395 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:56.800 So we don't have to, we can relieve ourselves and relieve our own conscience of, of thinking 396 00:23:56.800 --> 00:24:02.080 that we're being held, that God is holding us to a particular standard that he's not 397 00:24:02.080 --> 00:24:11.360 to operate in a, to operate in, and to change in a, in a way that facilitates change is 398 00:24:11.360 --> 00:24:15.920 somehow ungodly or something, and not of his character. 399 00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:20.120 So anyway, I just wanted to mention that because what we're doing when we're changing is we're 400 00:24:20.120 --> 00:24:22.120 becoming more like him. 401 00:24:22.120 --> 00:24:23.720 That is what it is that we're wanting to do. 402 00:24:23.720 --> 00:24:24.720 And God desires that. 403 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.160 So I just wanted to mention that. 404 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:32.520 And then the other thing is, as far as like talking to someone, it depends on the situation 405 00:24:32.520 --> 00:24:37.600 and it depends on who you're talking to as to whether or not you're right, whether or 406 00:24:37.600 --> 00:24:50.280 not it would even be what's the word, whether it would be edifying to mention real reasons. 407 00:24:50.280 --> 00:24:52.520 So you can, well, sorry, real reasons. 408 00:24:52.520 --> 00:24:54.240 You can mention real reasons. 409 00:24:54.240 --> 00:25:00.000 All of the reasons that you give can be very real, but which reasons are, do you choose to pick? 410 00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:08.480 to vocalize. So the fact that you want to support your son, the fact that you want to be going to 411 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:14.000 the same place because you believe that or you believe that God is calling you to a particular 412 00:25:14.000 --> 00:25:18.720 place, that's where you're feeling your peace at. And it's very difficult for you to leave 413 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:24.960 where you are, and it's very difficult for you to not be going to the same church that 414 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:30.160 you have relationships with, with people you have relationships with, but that in your mind, 415 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:34.160 you're not leaving those relationships. You're just not going to the same building 416 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:40.320 with them every Sunday, you know, like we're getting things like that. All of those things 417 00:25:40.320 --> 00:25:44.800 are true. I mean, unless of course you are leaving those relationships. I'm just, I'm making 418 00:25:44.800 --> 00:25:51.120 a guess, you know, you know, and, and so you can always word every, you can mention all the, 419 00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:57.200 all the right and accurate truth, truthful reasons, but you just pick which ones. 420 00:25:57.200 --> 00:26:02.320 So the only reason why you would mention the other is for, well, two reasons why you would 421 00:26:02.320 --> 00:26:10.880 mention the other is if God told you to, or if, if you were prompted by the Holy Spirit, 422 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:17.120 that it would be edifying because they'd actually receive it. In other words, that they're open to 423 00:26:17.120 --> 00:26:23.760 it. But if these people aren't open to really knowing, and they're actually can sometimes be 424 00:26:23.760 --> 00:26:28.240 in asking for questions of, well, why are you doing this? Why aren't it? They're looking for 425 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:35.440 a way to be offended. They're looking for a problem or they're looking to reconcile in their 426 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:41.200 mind. How, what it is you're doing is okay. In some way, shape, or form that can relieve them 427 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:48.800 from the fact that they're hurt or can relieve them from this feeling of, of, well, if you give 428 00:26:48.800 --> 00:26:55.120 them a logical enough reason why they can separate your reason from why they should stay, then they 429 00:26:55.120 --> 00:27:00.720 feel okay staying. But otherwise, when other people leave it, people can feel it threatened 430 00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.560 by feeling abandoned or by somehow thinking they're doing something and they're, they're 431 00:27:06.560 --> 00:27:13.600 leaving. And the reason that they're leaving therefore condemns me for staying. So they're 432 00:27:13.600 --> 00:27:20.560 trying to figure out what's going on. And so anyway, my point is, if that's their reasoning, 433 00:27:20.560 --> 00:27:27.600 then it's not edifying to actually explain any negative reasons why you might be leaving. 434 00:27:27.600 --> 00:27:33.200 So you think about the fact that God desires us to love on each other. God desires us to edify 435 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:39.360 each other, to build each other up. And, and that doesn't always mean, in fact, it doesn't usually 436 00:27:39.360 --> 00:27:45.840 mean to talk about the negative things. It's only extremely strong relationships and extremely strong, 437 00:27:45.840 --> 00:27:53.120 healthy people that can handle that type of edification. So there's other ways that we can 438 00:27:53.120 --> 00:27:59.040 love people to the Lord in a much more gentle way, because it's the only way that according to their 439 00:27:59.040 --> 00:28:04.640 background, they can receive love. When we're edifying people out of love, but we're talking 440 00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:12.400 about negative things, it's only people that have a very strong and secure. And I know that 441 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:18.480 background, you know, boundaries, whatever, that can actually hear the love that you're speaking in 442 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:24.000 when you say something that to most people would sound negative. Most people would hear it though, 443 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:31.520 in an orphan mentality, not in a sonship mentality. Does that make sense? So anyway, that's perfect. 444 00:28:31.520 --> 00:28:35.920 Those are ways that you can just kind of think of it. There's nothing. When I've thought about 445 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:42.800 leaving churches, I've left, I've left a few. I've left at least one church and I thought 446 00:28:42.800 --> 00:28:47.440 about leaving another church and I'm just begging the Lord to let me go. Lord, please, let me leave 447 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:54.560 this church. And he, for that particular church, he told me no. And because he told me, he said, 448 00:28:54.560 --> 00:28:59.760 Ashley, he said, these people are hurting. They don't know what they're doing. And I want you to 449 00:28:59.760 --> 00:29:04.800 be their assault because I'm revealing to you what's going on. And so you need to be an anchor 450 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:10.560 and help your, and help your friends through a time where they're very spiritually confused 451 00:29:10.560 --> 00:29:17.200 and they're hurting. But that was very, very, uh, that, that, that, um, was hard for me because I 452 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.440 didn't want, because I wanted to leave because I did not feel the Lord anymore in that church. 453 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:27.200 And he was in that church. But what I mean is like his grace had moved on. He was like, no, no, 454 00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:32.720 I want to move y'all on to, to deeper things. And they didn't want to leave. So that was my draw, 455 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:38.160 but God very specifically told me to stay. But then there was another church where I did leave. 456 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:43.280 And, um, that was a different type of situation though. So therefore I was able to just transition 457 00:29:43.280 --> 00:29:49.360 out without having to address it with anyone. But, um, anyway, the church ended up closing 458 00:29:49.360 --> 00:29:53.920 the last one I told you about, um, that God didn't let me leave. It ended up closing. 459 00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:59.840 So I never had to leave. I left when everybody else did, but I did hear how they talked. 460 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:05.800 badly behind people's backs and everybody else who left before then, there was no, there 461 00:30:05.800 --> 00:30:07.320 was no winning. 462 00:30:07.320 --> 00:30:11.480 If people left without telling them they would talk badly about him and they'd say, well, 463 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:12.480 they should have said something. 464 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.520 And if they'd said something would been able to work it all out and, and, and leave amicably. 465 00:30:16.520 --> 00:30:20.280 Well, no, then there were a whole bunch of other people that, that tried to do that and 466 00:30:20.280 --> 00:30:25.560 tried to, you know, leave, you know, relationships intact and, and tell everybody to their face, 467 00:30:25.560 --> 00:30:29.320 you know, Hey, I just want to let you know, we're, we're, we bless y'all for staying here, 468 00:30:29.320 --> 00:30:30.960 but God's calling us elsewhere. 469 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:31.960 And we just wanted it. 470 00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:34.040 We didn't want to just not be here one Sunday. 471 00:30:34.040 --> 00:30:35.400 We wanted to tell you. 472 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:40.120 So they did exactly what all these people said that people should do if they wanted 473 00:30:40.120 --> 00:30:42.360 to leave the church appropriately. 474 00:30:42.360 --> 00:30:46.280 And all those people that stayed still talked about all of those people when they left and 475 00:30:46.280 --> 00:30:47.920 said how they shouldn't have done it that way. 476 00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.520 They should have done it. 477 00:30:49.520 --> 00:30:50.520 You can't win. 478 00:30:50.520 --> 00:30:53.120 The problem is everybody in and of themselves. 479 00:30:53.120 --> 00:30:57.320 So just love people in the best way that we know how, according to the way that they're 480 00:30:57.320 --> 00:30:58.320 going to receive information. 481 00:30:58.320 --> 00:31:04.160 Are they, we're going to see love and how they're going to receive being loved. 482 00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:08.760 So it's a very delicate situation that's hard, but that's the interesting thing though, is 483 00:31:08.760 --> 00:31:11.920 I'd actually talked to some of the people and I say, Oh yeah, I'm so excited because 484 00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:15.520 the time my son was just like not going to school. 485 00:31:15.520 --> 00:31:16.520 Now he's serious. 486 00:31:16.520 --> 00:31:20.400 It was like teaching his homework and wants to study to be an engineer. 487 00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:23.400 So it's like, he's really on the ball. 488 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:29.440 So I really had said about how well he's doing and mentally, there was just some mental issues 489 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.640 like he was going through, but he's really doing well. 490 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:33.320 It's God's grace. 491 00:31:33.320 --> 00:31:36.880 And I really wanted to take him, I remember saying to a few people, God, I mean, I figure 492 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.880 how to do this. 493 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:42.000 But so like when this happened, the church was shut down and I was not in a good leaders 494 00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.440 conference and my husband's like, Oh, you know, I'm kind of done too. 495 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:46.440 He doesn't want to do it. 496 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:47.440 Asher was not big. 497 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:52.120 He has a door open for me to do what I wanted to do because I was feeling so torn. 498 00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:53.720 I'm not in a place where I feel comfortable. 499 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.720 My son got his driver's license. 500 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:56.720 He turned 18. 501 00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:59.760 I'm not comfortable him like driving off by himself to go to church. 502 00:31:59.760 --> 00:32:02.920 No, we're going to be together until I feel really, really comfortable. 503 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:04.720 You can be on your own. 504 00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.120 So that really is helpful for me for you to say that because actually that's what I was 505 00:32:08.120 --> 00:32:12.600 leaning towards because it's truly actually one of the underlying things. 506 00:32:12.600 --> 00:32:17.040 But having had the situation that kind of made it easy because I'm not actually physically 507 00:32:18.040 --> 00:32:24.720 had a really difficult time having to go back, you know, having to stay there, but now it's 508 00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:25.720 relatively easy. 509 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:26.720 Yeah. 510 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:32.280 So it's important to just go to just do where, what your, where your peace is at, you know, 511 00:32:32.280 --> 00:32:36.080 between you and the Lord, like where does your, where does your soul settle down and 512 00:32:36.080 --> 00:32:41.840 have peace, you know, between you and the Lord, you know, even without like a direct 513 00:32:41.840 --> 00:32:45.120 word from the Lord, this is what you need to do, or this is what you need to do. 514 00:32:45.120 --> 00:32:49.240 You know, if he's not, if you're not hearing that, then go where your peace is at. 515 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:54.520 Where did, where do you, where does everything within you kind of still and, you know, still 516 00:32:54.520 --> 00:32:59.120 as in like, stop moving still and, and have peace. 517 00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:01.720 So, and then, and then go with that. 518 00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:02.720 So yeah. 519 00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:03.720 Thank you. 520 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.400 And it's just for what you're doing right now. 521 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:06.400 Yeah. 522 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:07.400 Thank you so much. 523 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.880 It's a great, cause I've just been stalling and I, I just emailed this week. 524 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:11.880 I got an email. 525 00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.080 I just thought, Oh God, I don't want to ignore somebody's email because that's not me. 526 00:33:16.040 --> 00:33:17.040 Usually it's because I didn't check my email. 527 00:33:17.040 --> 00:33:23.480 I'm not like, it's only stuck to my phone or my computer, but but I just feel like I'm 528 00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:27.680 kind of, I don't know what it's, I don't want to say anything where like the pastor gets 529 00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:28.680 away. 530 00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:33.480 I just rather be like, I don't like people getting information on that through the backdoor. 531 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:38.800 I'd rather be like, Hey, just leave it at that. 532 00:33:38.800 --> 00:33:39.800 Does my son need anything? 533 00:33:39.800 --> 00:33:44.800 He can't be going off to college and not having, I want to see him having a strong foundation. 534 00:33:45.520 --> 00:33:52.200 So another thing I just wanted to encourage you in is remember that you don't need to 535 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:55.200 defend your reason to people. 536 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.840 Just be solid and sure in what it is that you're doing between you and your relationship 537 00:33:58.840 --> 00:33:59.840 with the Lord. 538 00:33:59.840 --> 00:34:08.120 And any way that they respond is their responsibility, meaning that, and, and meaning that it, their 539 00:34:08.120 --> 00:34:13.760 response has to do with them and not you and something that they're struggling with for 540 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:18.199 the way that they understand life, the way that they live life, the, the obligations 541 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.940 and standards that they hold themselves to. 542 00:34:20.940 --> 00:34:24.639 And it doesn't mean that you're obligated to those things, same standards. 543 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:31.239 So even if they try to blame me for and push them onto you and all of that, just, you know, 544 00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:36.000 just, just love them and just allow them to be who it is that they are and allow them 545 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:40.840 to process through that, even though it's going to be, even though for some people, 546 00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.280 your choice might be difficult. 547 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:49.960 It doesn't have to do with you, meaning like it doesn't, it's not an indication that you've 548 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.239 done something wrong or that you've handled it wrong. 549 00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:58.920 Just go wherever your peace is that know that that is what the Lord holds you to is to just 550 00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.080 is you and your relationship. 551 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:05.200 with him and handling it as best as, you know, as you know how, so. 552 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.600 Thank you. Thank you so much. 553 00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:10.400 Thank you. 554 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:11.120 You're welcome. 555 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:14.320 Hey, Linda, how are you? 556 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:15.600 Are you out of quarantine? 557 00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:23.520 I ended up having COVID last week. 558 00:35:23.520 --> 00:35:24.080 Oh, no. 559 00:35:24.080 --> 00:35:25.360 Oh, I'm sorry. 560 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:33.840 But it was, I really thought it was just a head cold, and I would have never, ever even taken 561 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:40.080 a test. But I was going home for Thanksgiving and I didn't want to risk taking anything to 562 00:35:40.080 --> 00:35:42.080 my 80 year old parents. 563 00:35:42.080 --> 00:35:42.480 Correct. 564 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:48.080 And so when they called me up to say you're positive, I was like, no, I'm not. I have 565 00:35:48.080 --> 00:35:55.120 a head cold. I don't have COVID. So I never had a fever over 97.5. 566 00:35:56.000 --> 00:36:01.200 I never had the cough. I never lost my sense of taste or lost my sense of smell. 567 00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:08.320 All of my staff are totally livid because they were knocked out for two weeks. And I just 568 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.240 basically walked through it like it was no big deal. 569 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:20.000 Oh, I'm glad for you. But I'm sorry about all of that. 570 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:21.600 The diagnosis. 571 00:36:21.600 --> 00:36:33.920 So I read Teresa of Avila. I went through and redid some of my pictures on my walls. 572 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:41.280 I mean, it's like I had to stay home. So I found things that I normally would not have 573 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:49.680 done and just was by myself. So it was a lot of good God time. A lot of good rest intensive 574 00:36:49.680 --> 00:36:50.720 on purpose. 575 00:36:50.720 --> 00:36:54.800 That's right. Very truly intensive. 576 00:36:58.160 --> 00:37:03.600 Yes. Yes. On purpose intensive. The thing I realized I hate being alone. 577 00:37:04.720 --> 00:37:05.680 Really? 578 00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:16.560 So I am not a be by myself person. So now I have to figure out because all this stuff 579 00:37:16.640 --> 00:37:24.160 that I read about Teresa Avila, I mean, it's all about contemplative prayer and meditation 580 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:31.440 and all this. I'm like, Oh, that's going to be a discipline all in itself. 581 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:32.560 Yeah. Yeah. 582 00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:35.760 For me. Cause I'm a doer. I'm not a sitter. 583 00:37:36.400 --> 00:37:42.560 Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's exciting. You're going to have to let me know how that goes. 584 00:37:43.200 --> 00:37:48.000 Like what you learn different ways to be contemplative while still doing. 585 00:37:48.560 --> 00:37:49.040 Well, it was. 586 00:37:51.680 --> 00:37:54.800 Right. Right. That's what I'm saying. I was going to, that was going to be my question. 587 00:37:54.800 --> 00:38:02.800 I was going to ask you, have you been able to combine the meditative being with God? 588 00:38:03.520 --> 00:38:21.600 I'll answer in the way that I think that you're asking the question. So you can let me know if 589 00:38:21.600 --> 00:38:29.440 you're like, no, no, no, I'm in it from a different direction. So that is what I believe that rest is. 590 00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.080 So it's, it's different than like stopping and like, you know, where you do meditation, 591 00:38:34.080 --> 00:38:40.720 you're like go into Theta waves. Now you can, you can be active sort of in Theta waves. 592 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:46.480 But the thing is, if you're not talking about like stopping and like shifting down in Theta 593 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.760 waves where you're just sitting, if you're just talking about, you know, being contemplative 594 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.360 with the Lord while you're not necessarily thinking, but you are in a place of rest. 595 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:03.200 Yeah. It's being in a place of rest all of the time. Like I'm in a place of rest right now. I 596 00:39:03.200 --> 00:39:08.320 came on this, this call. I didn't have an agenda, obviously, you know, of anything I need to talk 597 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.720 about. I just let everybody ask their questions. I don't know what anyone's going to ask. And then, 598 00:39:12.720 --> 00:39:17.760 okay, Lord, that's what they asked. What do I open my mouth and say, what does the spirit need to say? 599 00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:26.400 And then I just answer. So in, from that aspect I'm doing while not, while not, while feeling 600 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:34.640 so-called contemplative. Now it's not cerebral contemplative, but it is just where I'm like 601 00:39:34.640 --> 00:39:40.240 sitting in like chewing the cud, so to speak, where I'm like marinating an idea, but it's where 602 00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:49.120 I'm still at rest and, and just, and just, just allowing myself to be in a situation instead of 603 00:39:49.120 --> 00:39:56.480 trying to create, trying to get an agenda accomplished in a situation. So, but did that 604 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.760 answer your question or do you mean it a little more cerebrally as in like, 605 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.920 How do you contemplate on something while you're trying to actively do something? 606 00:40:07.600 --> 00:40:14.480 Well, so for me at this point, I am trying to get to that point where you 607 00:40:15.200 --> 00:40:20.240 know that you know that you know that you are intertwined with God and you're like in that 608 00:40:20.240 --> 00:40:26.240 little rapture state that they talk about. And I know how to get there in worship. 609 00:40:27.040 --> 00:40:33.040 So it's like that, but but they're talking about getting there in silence. 610 00:40:34.080 --> 00:40:39.120 Okay, and I don't know how to how to get me so it's like 611 00:40:40.080 --> 00:40:45.840 to be able to be doing things, but then in silence having that meditative. 612 00:40:47.680 --> 00:40:52.560 I mean, so that you, you have that same sense of when you do when you really get in into worship. 613 00:40:52.720 --> 00:41:02.560 Okay, so what does your worship experience, what is your worship experience like when you say, 614 00:41:02.560 --> 00:41:06.960 well, I get into that and worship? Is it like you're thinking about nothing but the Lord or 615 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:13.760 you're just allowing yourself to be your what? You just have that tangible presence of God 616 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:19.120 sensation that almost feels like you could rapture out of your skin. 617 00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:30.480 Oh, okay. Okay. Um, well, yes, I mean, that is possible in the fact that how do I describe that 618 00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:35.920 you know that there's a way for us to be conscious of like, say, for instance, 619 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:40.400 Justin talks about this, you know, being conscious of where you are in the spirit 620 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:45.440 and where you are in the soul at the same time. So right now we're used to just being 621 00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:51.280 conscious of where our soul is and what our soul is doing as a, and then we, and then we can become 622 00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.800 conscious of what our spirit's doing and all of that. Cause our spirit, you know, is in, 623 00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:59.280 it's in the spirit with the Lord. So there is a way for us to be able to eventually be, 624 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:06.400 eventually be able to do both as opposed to feeling like we have to leave one in order to 625 00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:15.520 experience the other. But that's, that's something that I have not done to the, in the way that 626 00:42:15.520 --> 00:42:26.960 you're talking about. I haven't. Um, so, but it is, I, I don't know fully, but generally speaking, 627 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:31.840 I think it's possible. If you're talking about it, like what you're talking about, almost like 628 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:35.440 this ecstasy idea of like, where you're just like, Oh my goodness, you can almost, you know, 629 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:41.040 just kind of come out of my skin. Um, I would imagine that it would be possible to do that and 630 00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:46.240 still be active in the fact that your spirit, you can be aware of your spirit doing one thing while 631 00:42:46.240 --> 00:42:54.560 your soul's doing something else, but I don't fully know. Um, I wanted to, does that make 632 00:42:54.560 --> 00:43:00.480 sense? So I don't fully know, but I've told you what it is that I believe. Okay. And I haven't 633 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:07.040 done it myself because I'm not as aware of my spirit to that degree. I have to stop being as 634 00:43:07.040 --> 00:43:14.240 conscious of my soul in order to be conscious of my spirit. Okay. So, cause, cause it is, I mean, 635 00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:21.680 a lot of times it's nuns that, you know, and it's like, I know my life is not the life of a nun. 636 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:27.200 So I have way too many other things that I'm responsible for at this point, 637 00:43:28.160 --> 00:43:34.880 but I know that God's got to have a way that Martha's and Mary's can still be 638 00:43:36.160 --> 00:43:40.000 blessed with his presence at a tangible level. 639 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:47.680 Yes. Okay. So if you're talking about, if talking about it from that perspective, 640 00:43:47.680 --> 00:43:54.640 I think that's what I was referring to about the, this soul and the spirit and being conscious of us 641 00:43:54.640 --> 00:44:02.000 of both at the same time. So that, and I have done that to a certain measure. I, that I have, 642 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:05.600 but if you're talking about like, almost like this ecstasy, if you feel like you're almost 643 00:44:05.600 --> 00:44:14.000 coming up out of the skin, I haven't done that, but, um, but I do believe that you can 644 00:44:14.720 --> 00:44:19.440 experience both at the same time and be operating on the, in, on earth, 645 00:44:19.520 --> 00:44:26.560 being active, but you're doing it from the, from a place of rest while you're also aware of the 646 00:44:26.560 --> 00:44:31.520 fact that this, this other part of your thing that you're unified with spirit, soul, and body, 647 00:44:31.520 --> 00:44:40.000 this other aspect of you is, um, you know, is focusing on the Lord and is very aware of being 648 00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:45.360 unified with him. And it's from that union with him that like a rune talks about union with him, 649 00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:50.800 talks about union with him, all else must flow. And then the soul is getting its instruction 650 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:59.840 and its current action sourced from the fact that the spirit is in the state that it's currently in. 651 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:01.000 Yeah. 652 00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:03.000 Only you're aware of both. 653 00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:04.360 Yeah. 654 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:10.400 And see, when I do the Arun kind of stuff, I feel like I'm hyperventilating. 655 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:17.640 So it's like, you can get that lightheaded feeling because you're breathing like you 656 00:45:17.640 --> 00:45:21.480 do when you're having babies and going through labor stuff. 657 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:22.480 Yeah. 658 00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:23.480 Yeah. 659 00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:28.120 So it's like, okay, I understand the concept here, but I don't think it's God as much as 660 00:45:28.120 --> 00:45:30.360 it is that I'm hyperventilating. 661 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:31.360 So... 662 00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:32.360 Oh, yeah. 663 00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:33.360 I know. 664 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:34.360 I know. 665 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:38.880 It's practice, experience, you know, of being able to be aware of the different aspects 666 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:44.440 of ourselves, being aware of our soul, our body, and our spirit all at the same time. 667 00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:49.400 And we can get into our body and we can get out of our body into our soul, you know, into 668 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:50.400 our mind. 669 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:51.400 And we've practiced that. 670 00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:53.800 A lot of people struggle getting out of their body. 671 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:55.880 And by getting out of the body, I don't mean like leaving it. 672 00:45:55.880 --> 00:46:01.560 I mean, the consciousness shifting from being so focused on the body to being focused in 673 00:46:01.560 --> 00:46:02.560 the cerebral. 674 00:46:02.560 --> 00:46:07.080 And then we can now need to become aware of being focused on who it is that we are in 675 00:46:07.080 --> 00:46:09.840 the spirit and what our spirit's doing and all of that. 676 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.960 So that eventually we can be aware of all three at once, get them into alignment and 677 00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:15.280 so that they're always in coordination. 678 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:20.880 But anyway, so I think that it's possible. 679 00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:25.480 There's an element of what you're talking about that I'm not quite sure how it works 680 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:33.600 as far as, as far as like, Oh, how would you describe it where, uh, there's an element 681 00:46:33.600 --> 00:46:39.800 in which there's an aspect in which we do, we can do multiple things at one time. 682 00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:47.040 And then there's this other aspect in which you, you do this or you do this. 683 00:46:47.040 --> 00:46:54.240 And, and that's what I'm wondering is if that's what you're talking about, because again, 684 00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:56.000 it's just not an area that I've explored. 685 00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:57.000 And so I don't know. 686 00:46:57.000 --> 00:47:03.480 So, well, do you remember Nancy's testimony when she said she had all this work that she 687 00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:08.240 had to do and she just wanted to spend time with the Lord instead? 688 00:47:08.240 --> 00:47:12.720 And she laid her hands on the paperwork and he said, well, this, and it's like that. 689 00:47:12.720 --> 00:47:16.160 I want to do that somehow, somewhere. 690 00:47:16.160 --> 00:47:17.160 I want to do that. 691 00:47:17.160 --> 00:47:18.160 Yes. 692 00:47:18.160 --> 00:47:19.160 Yes. 693 00:47:19.160 --> 00:47:20.160 Yeah. 694 00:47:20.160 --> 00:47:21.160 Yeah, exactly. 695 00:47:21.160 --> 00:47:23.440 That was interesting because she was only aware of her spirit and she was not aware 696 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:30.160 of her soul, but either either Lord did something miraculous for her or she was just not conscious 697 00:47:30.160 --> 00:47:32.340 of what her soul was doing at the time. 698 00:47:32.340 --> 00:47:33.340 It might've been a soul. 699 00:47:33.340 --> 00:47:35.440 It might've been a consciousness shift. 700 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.560 I'm not, I'm not really sure. 701 00:47:37.560 --> 00:47:40.440 So anyway, yeah. 702 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:46.320 I'm not sure if it was something supernatural that did it for her or if, or if she wasn't 703 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.640 aware of what her soul was doing at the time. 704 00:47:48.640 --> 00:47:53.400 So kind of like our bodies can, I'm just kind of explaining this for other people and the 705 00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:58.520 for other people who might be seeing this recording later, like our bodies can be doing 706 00:47:58.520 --> 00:48:02.800 something that is so much of a habit, like breathing. 707 00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:03.800 Our bodies breathe. 708 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:08.440 We don't even think about it while we're, while our minds are thinking about something 709 00:48:08.440 --> 00:48:09.840 else or doing something else. 710 00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.480 So our spirits can do the same thing. 711 00:48:11.480 --> 00:48:19.480 And what we can do is we can shift our consciousness into our spirit in the, in the same way where 712 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:26.240 our souls can then be doing things that we're not conscious of because we've shifted our 713 00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:27.640 consciousness into our spirit. 714 00:48:27.640 --> 00:48:31.720 And then eventually we can be to the point where, like we are now, where we can be conscious 715 00:48:31.720 --> 00:48:35.240 of both our soul and our body at the same time. 716 00:48:35.240 --> 00:48:38.480 We can eventually get to the point where we're conscious of what our spirit is doing at the 717 00:48:38.480 --> 00:48:39.480 same time as our soul. 718 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:44.440 I just wanted to mention this to other people because you and I've been in these, in these 719 00:48:44.440 --> 00:48:48.640 and heard a lot about this, but some people on that are either on this call or might see 720 00:48:48.640 --> 00:48:49.640 this recording later. 721 00:48:49.640 --> 00:48:50.640 It'd be like, what? 722 00:48:50.640 --> 00:48:53.600 It can sound really creepy. 723 00:48:53.600 --> 00:48:57.720 And I'm just trying to explain, you know, to everybody else that I'm talking about here 724 00:48:57.720 --> 00:48:59.800 about like shifting consciousness. 725 00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:03.240 So just like we're already aware of between our soul and our soul and our body, we can 726 00:49:03.240 --> 00:49:06.640 do that with our spirit as well, because our spirit's doing things. 727 00:49:06.640 --> 00:49:07.640 It's in Christ. 728 00:49:07.640 --> 00:49:08.640 It's one with Christ. 729 00:49:08.640 --> 00:49:10.700 It's, it's, it's doing stuff. 730 00:49:10.700 --> 00:49:12.640 We're just not conscious of it. 731 00:49:12.640 --> 00:49:16.640 So we can, we can become conscious of what it's doing. 732 00:49:16.640 --> 00:49:17.640 Yeah. 733 00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:22.640 So let's see, what time is it? 734 00:49:22.640 --> 00:49:23.640 Oh, wow. 735 00:49:23.640 --> 00:49:24.640 Only 10 more minutes. 736 00:49:24.640 --> 00:49:25.640 The time flew. 737 00:49:25.640 --> 00:49:31.640 Does anyone have anything before we, in the next 10 minutes? 738 00:49:31.640 --> 00:49:33.640 So are you still in Houston? 739 00:49:33.640 --> 00:49:34.640 I am. 740 00:49:34.640 --> 00:49:35.640 I am in Houston. 741 00:49:35.640 --> 00:49:36.640 Yeah. 742 00:49:36.640 --> 00:49:37.640 Yeah. 743 00:49:37.640 --> 00:49:38.640 In fact, I'm sitting out in the car. 744 00:49:38.640 --> 00:49:43.640 My friends are in the, in a sushi restaurant, so I left the sushi restaurant to come out 745 00:49:43.640 --> 00:49:44.640 here. 746 00:49:44.640 --> 00:49:48.640 So they're either going to, they're either going to sit there and while I finish or they're 747 00:49:48.640 --> 00:49:51.640 going to box something up for us to take home. 748 00:49:51.640 --> 00:49:55.640 So, but yeah, I'm in Houston. 749 00:49:55.640 --> 00:49:59.640 So had a, had a really neat opportunity to. 750 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.560 to have someone help me with some things. 751 00:50:04.560 --> 00:50:06.840 So anyway, took advantage of it. 752 00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:12.760 Well, it was 72 degrees here today. 753 00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.320 So what kind of temperature do you have in Houston? 754 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.080 Let me check. 755 00:50:18.080 --> 00:50:22.600 It is, oh, it's 66. 756 00:50:24.480 --> 00:50:26.720 Well, we are warmer than you are. 757 00:50:26.720 --> 00:50:29.240 Yes, I know, that's so strange. 758 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.400 But y'all have already had your first snowfall, right? 759 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:35.240 This year? 760 00:50:35.240 --> 00:50:37.280 Yeah, we had one snowfall already. 761 00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.880 Nice, nice, I bet that was pretty. 762 00:50:40.880 --> 00:50:43.440 I saw the pictures of the fall, that's lovely. 763 00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:46.320 It is. 764 00:50:48.520 --> 00:50:52.280 So is there anything else, everyone? 765 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.560 I think we have a pretty small group tonight, 766 00:50:54.560 --> 00:50:59.560 just four, Amy and Jonathan were on here earlier 767 00:50:59.640 --> 00:51:03.600 and they popped off, but just a small group tonight, 768 00:51:03.600 --> 00:51:04.680 just four of us. 769 00:51:05.640 --> 00:51:09.360 I think we're up to maybe, is it 18 in the group? 770 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.080 Maybe, might be 18 members, something like that, so. 771 00:51:18.560 --> 00:51:22.360 Okay, well, if no one has any questions, 772 00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:24.480 we can jump off. 773 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:25.760 Did you have something, Steph, 774 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.280 or were you just jumping on to say goodbye? 775 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:33.320 I'm so glad you jumped on, so I could see you one last time. 776 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:36.800 Let's get to talk to y'all, love all of y'all, 777 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:40.560 and I will talk to y'all later. 778 00:51:40.560 --> 00:51:42.280 Guess it looks like next week. 779 00:51:44.200 --> 00:51:47.440 Okay, well, that's, okay, next week is Thanksgiving Day. 780 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:51.680 So do you have, do you have New Year's on Thanksgiving Day? 781 00:51:52.560 --> 00:51:54.320 We're not, we're not, yeah, 782 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.880 I know that everybody else is gonna be, 783 00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.040 well, I probably will be too, 784 00:51:58.040 --> 00:51:59.400 I don't know what I'm doing for Thanksgiving, 785 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:02.200 but yeah, so I forgot about that. 786 00:52:02.200 --> 00:52:03.880 Thanksgiving is on a Thursday. 787 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.760 Okay, see you in two weeks. 788 00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:11.080 Okay, bye, guys. 789 00:52:12.240 --> 00:52:13.080 Bye, ladies. Bye.