Hey, Archer!
I leave everybody on mute because we notice that even when everyone's quiet, if there's
someone talking, then they're in the recording, there's a there's a there's feedback.
So I guess I'll keep everybody on mute, and less they have a question, and if they have
a question, then they unmute themselves when it's time for someone else to ask a question,
and then that's how I know who has a question, or you can raise your hand virtually.
I don't know if you're on your phone.
Well, yeah, there's a there's a yeah, I don't know how to do it on here.
Well, I figured I would just raise my hand.
Oh, okay.
Well, you you could do that, too.
It's like sometimes people raise their hands like five minutes before, you know, it's like,
in other words, when they think of something, as opposed to like way down opening, or they
think it's pretty close to the opening, and then I know, okay, then so and so's next.
But I don't know how to do it on the phone.
So, oh, my word, I should probably do this on my tablet.
Yeah.
Hey, Steph.
Hey, Alicia.
It's so late.
Well, for ever for for Central Standard Time, it's really not that that late, but it is
for people on the East Coast.
Okay, I'm going to try to do this on my tablet.
Okay.
Linda, you found your way here, hello.
I did.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to fix that because I have several, several weeks worth of those
posts that go out automatically.
So I forgot that it wasn't automatic.
I'm so used to that thing being posted automatically and everybody always having the, the link
without me having to think about it, and that I forgot that it Facebook will only let
you go so far into the future and I ran out of the future to create a new future.
You like how that stuff is trying to be clever.
It's late.
So thanks.
See here.
You know, sometimes you just got to entertain yourself.
I'm very good at that.
Hey, Ilana.
Oh, okay, so I just, we, today was my fourth day of my second Rust Impact, so I jumped
straight from there to here, I tried to wrap it up as close to nine as I could, so, hopefully
everybody else is able to find the post, the new link that I put in.
If I yawn too much, I'll just turn my camera off in case I fall asleep.
That's funny.
Sure.
It's been a long week.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I know.
How is everybody?
Amy particularly?
Everybody's doing fairly well.
We took Abby Monday for some, a follow-up appointment.
She had a ton of tests and blood work and it finally, they listened to me and that was
the whole thing with my, my gut just kept saying, no, you're going to pursue this.
And she's got cysts all over her, her thyroid, so it's causing all kinds of issues with her.
did finally refer her to a pediatric endocrinologist.
So she's gonna finally get some answers.
And she's also positive for mono on top of it all.
So, I mean, the poor kid is just completely exhausted.
Yeah, I'm so sorry.
But at least we have answers.
Yeah, yeah, I had mono, it was not fun.
Yeah, we had it together the last time, yeah.
Oh, so she's having a relapse.
Yeah, yeah.
Just a second, let me, I don't know.
Let me share it.
There we go.
I realized I'm out in the open.
I didn't want y'all to feel uncomfortable asking questions.
So now only I can hear you.
Of course, everybody else is probably in bed.
I forgot about that.
Everybody else is in the house is probably asleep.
So, you know, whenever I'm here in town,
I stay at my parents.
And then of course my grandmom lives here as well with them.
So anyway, all right.
So does someone have a question to start us off with tonight?
It has been so long since we've gotten together.
It has been three weeks because we didn't get together
for Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve.
I'm sorry, but not sorry
because I didn't think anybody on here
would want to get on with me
on New Year's Eve or Christmas Eve.
So anyway, it's just one of those things.
But so does anyone have anything to start us off with?
If you do, just feel free to unmute yourself.
Can now.
So dear, I'm going to have to pull a rabbit out of a hat.
Am I the only one that is distressed
over what happened yesterday?
Because I am having a very hard time resting
with all of the commotion that happened.
So that's been my, God, there's been more praying
in this particular situation than any time I ever,
in my 61 years of life, I've seen.
Yeah, yeah, so it's very understandable, very understandable.
The thing with that is, and I don't mean this in any way
to sound obviously belittling or devaluing of the situation.
It's the fact that it's the truth of, well,
okay, let's think of it like this.
Remember of the time when we were in the hospital
and let's think of it like this.
Remember of the time when Jesus was on earth
and Jesus, of course, had the Romans in there
who had occupied Israel and everybody was so excited
when they finally discovered who Jesus,
when they realized who it is that Jesus was,
all of the zealots specifically,
and I don't remember their names,
but there was a group of them.
Anyway, they were zealots and they thought
and were hoping that the whole,
that when the Messiah would come
and when they realized that Jesus was the Messiah,
they was like, oh, this is it.
They're going to, it's going to release us
from the oppression that we in the government
that we're feeling in the taxes
and the way that we're being treated
in the lack of comfortability that we have in our life
and again, the oppression that we're feeling.
And Jesus never addressed any of those things.
The closest that he ever got to addressing anything
about anything related to the government
was given to Caesar, the things that are Caesar's.
And then this wasn't related to the government,
but it was related to the religious government
of like the temple tax.
And he said that the sons of God are,
the sons of the king are exempt from paying a tax
that a king would, that a king would exact on the people.
He said how, he said, it's actually for everyone else.
He said, however, so we do not offend them.
If they're asking for a tax, then in other words,
if the world is requiring something,
then God will provide it.
So go and pull out a fish and the fish will have the coin
that it is that you need in order to pay for yours
and my tax, because the king's sons are exempt.
And so God's going to provide it for them.
So if the world is making a particular man,
God is going to take care of it.
So in the same way, you know, in this type of situation
that if we, if we understand that we can,
if that all of, where is it?
That if we're seated here, oh, this,
is this backwards for y'all or is this right side?
Is it, okay, good.
So this is backwards for me when I look at it.
But, you know, if we're operating up here
and up here, we're in with Christ.
guys, with all power and the authority, whatever happens down here, whatever
power and authority that has, um, that, that looks like it has governmental
control or, you know, let's just, or, you know, whatever mandates and, and
decrees and determinations come out of, well, what happened yesterday?
And will the people did this?
And so therefore martial law or therefore Biden this and whatever,
whatever, whatever's determined, if all of that is down here and we
understand that we're up here, then it's easier for us to, to, to under,
if we shift into our identity in that place and choose that God is our
protection and provision, it doesn't matter what happens down here.
What can make us feel at a sense of unrest is the fact that we're
still learning who this is.
We're still having to learn how to, how to pray from here.
How do you, how to intercede from here, how to quote unquote
do spiritual warfare from here.
And so that feeling of I'm still in the middle of learning Lord, do I have to
learn in this type of a situation?
Because Lord, the sticks are so high and God's like, no, no, this is, this
is exactly where we, where we need to be.
The other good thing is that there are people all along, um, the, the.
The, the road.
So there are some people who are very new at, at, um, at being Christians
at praying and interceding and all of that, and they don't know very much.
And so they're really, really relying on the heavyweights, those who are much
more mature in the faith that the Lord has revealed much more to of how to
shift into the spirit, how to ascend, how to, um, you know, uh, do, do whatever,
whatever the Lord would reveal to them, how to intercede in the way that God
says, according to his laws, he's created for us to step into in order to declare
the power and the authority declare from that seat that we hold the power and the
authority that he says it is that we have, we're relying very heavily on those
people and then there's all kinds of people in between, so we're not alone.
We don't have to worry that well, Lord, there's only so much that I know and
I'm trying so hard and I'm doing my best and I, and I'm operating according to.
However much that you have revealed to me so far about what it
means to stand in my authority.
And so I've declared those things, Lord, and I've sought your face and I've done
and this stuff still happens, but it's not just us.
We're not just one person.
There are people all along the path.
And, um, and there are people that are much more ahead of us that we're relying
on and they've been interceding as well, and they've been standing in the Lord
and this stuff is still, is still happening.
Um, as far as the fact, so that's, as far as how to consider the unrest that
we feel of Lord, I've done everything.
And why is this still happening?
We're, we're, we're concerned because we're still learning and we're learning
in the middle of a very difficult situation, we're learning in the middle
of a very high risk situation.
If we quote unquote fail or quote unquote, do it, do it right.
And I only saying fail and do it right.
Because of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, it's not according
to the tree of life, but according to this idea that we think of, like
everything has standards and judgments and you fail and you do it right.
And you don't do it right.
If we're, if we fall into that trap again, out of habit and out of fear,
I was just addressing that if we're thinking according to those terms,
but, um, God says, no, no, no.
If we operate according to the tree of life, if he says he's going
to provide for and protect us.
And, um, just like Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego, we say, okay, Lord,
I'm going to, if you say so, then I'm going to stand on that.
My God is going to deliver me from the fire.
And even if he doesn't, I will not bow down to the golden image.
What we were saying is even if he doesn't manifest his character
in the way that I thought he would manifest his character, if he really
was loving and if he really was good.
And if we really did everything we were supposed to do, and it still
doesn't manifest in the way that I think that it should manifest.
If that was true, I'm still not ever going to renounce my confession
that God is that love and he is that good because he's declared it to be.
So I still hold on to that and I don't hold his character hostage to my belief
of what the manifestation should look like.
So that is, that is what I've had to do with all of this.
Um, uh, and because yes, it can look very, uh, it can look scary.
It can look just horrific and it can be kind of like, how
on earth did we get here?
I mean, this is embarrassing.
I mean, is that this like acting like a third world country or whatever it
is that we're saying to ourselves or, Oh my goodness, what is, what is it
going to look like on January 21st?
Whatever, whatever fears that we have, or this whole idea of like, I don't
want to say shame or condemnation, but frustration, aggravation of how much
time, effort, and energy that certain people have put into all of these
months leading up to now, and it's still now, and it's still looking like this.
And we're like, shouldn't it be looking different?
I guess by now, you know, all the time, effort, and energy putting into January
six and getting all those people there and how excited that they were, et cetera.
Um, someone on this group, Cheryl Reese, she, you know, she went that, um, she
went yesterday as well, and she was heartbroken.
If y'all read her, if y'all read her, her post, I haven't talked to her,
but that's, it's all public.
It's all on her post and she was heartbroken at what had happened.
She's like, Hey, look, this is not what we were there for.
And so they went through all that time, effort, and energy, all of these
months, and now they had to actually walk through living that experience
live and being so disappointed.
And it's like, Lord, how did we get here?
But we just have to understand if God says that that isn't our provision
and protection and that no matter what happens, he's teaching us how
to live above our circumstances.
He's teaching that we don't have to rely on food.
He's teaching us that we don't have to rely on our government, that we
don't have to rely on our housing.
He's teaching us that we don't have to rely on that, that we are in a place
above having to rely on all of those things in order to have what it is that
we need, and we're in the middle of, of risk of those things being taken away,
so to speak, and while we're trying to learn how to live without relying on
them, we're right in the middle of the fire, having to learn it's, it's trial
by fire, it's not learning before the fire is in the middle of it.
But God always knew that.
So I know I covered that from a lot of different angles.
Did, did that address any of it at all for you?
Well, it's, it's, it's the whole process.
So I, I think disappointment, it's like, I have a hard time
resting when it's not comfortable.
So, so it's like that whole thing of, you know, I've had more people than
not say we're Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the middle of the fiery furnace.
So for me, it's like, Oh Lord, really?
I mean, that, that analogy is not what it's helpful.
No, well, it's not peaceful.
It's not peaceful.
Oh, it's like, yeah.
Yeah.
Again, looking, it's looking to external circumstances to determine
for us to determine what's peaceful.
And again, looking at the manifestation and saying, well, this is peaceful and this
isn't, and God's like, no, no, no.
What it is that I declare is true, regardless of the manifestation.
That's where our peace is.
And so we have peace regardless of the manifestation.
This is how, and I'm not trying to compare our situation to, to other
things like literally being burned alive.
But think about all of the martyrs that have had to survive things like being
attacked by lions in the Coliseum or being covered with tar and pitch and then,
uh, and, uh, being lit on fire for Nero's, uh, palace parties or, you know,
whatever, you know, being boiled alive in oil, things like that, the way that
people were able to sustain things like that is to understand that the
manifestation, just like Meshach and Abednego going through the fire,
understanding that the manifestation that they were experiencing does not
change reality, that we're actually, that our peace is actually found in the
character of God and, and we stand in, not in how the, how something
is currently manifesting on earth.
Here's another thing.
We're so used to looking at proof in order to tell us what is actually
true or what's actually going on.
We're so used to looking at proof in order to try to figure out who it is that God
is and, and, and try to understand how he works and what his love looks like,
et cetera, and God's like, no, no, no.
Y'all have it backwards.
He said, no, no, no.
You have to come for the perspective of being in my love.
And then through you aligning with and agreeing with who it is that I
declared that I am, that will manifest something different into the earth.
So he's like, you were supposed to create the proof on earth of who it
is that the character of God is instead of us looking at proof in order to tell
us who it is that God is so that we can in turn believe in we're responsible
for creating the proof we're responsible for creating the manifestation.
And currently what we're living out is we're living out a manifestation
of lies that have built up.
And so the kingdom of God and the, and the sons of God are meant to align
with God based off of his word, because we don't see proof yet until we
will align with the Lord.
That thing doesn't come into the earth until we come into agreement
with what God says, it doesn't prove.
So we're like, okay, we have to come into a line with nothing, but God's
word, because we don't have any proof to back it up in order to let us know
whether or not it's true other than the fact God said it.
So once we come into alignment with the fact that God said it, all of a
sudden we will see a different manifestation than the world has ever seen.
Currently it's manifesting things that are opposite.
of God's character, and it's manifesting lies,
because that is things that not only us,
but not only Christians, but non-Christians
have allowed to manifest into the earth
because they believed things,
they believed lies as opposed to believing.
And so what manifested is where our lie,
our belief in the lies,
as opposed to belief in God's truth.
So as far as like how to actually shift interest,
you know, and deal with all of the disappointment,
nothing gives me peace other than,
I mean, in other words, lasting peace.
There are all kinds of gimmicks we can use,
all kinds of little tricks to kind of shift ourselves
into kind of like feeling better in the moment.
And it'll only last for a few hours,
it'll last maybe for a day,
but to actually have,
or it'll last until you get a new trigger.
But the thing that actually helps me truly shift
and to have peace is when I choose God's character.
And this is something that I've had to learn
in very extreme circumstances,
very extreme, by the way, for me, it's trial by fire.
And where there's literally nothing around me
to sustain me that I can grab ahold of.
I can't grab ahold of a relationship,
I can't grab ahold of finances,
I can't grab ahold of anything
to fix whatever situation I'm in.
That is actually pulling at,
it actually is in their very dire situation.
So what I've had to do,
because I don't even believe God's character,
I don't even feel, I don't feel like it,
I don't feel that whatever he's saying is possibly true
because the exact opposite, and I told God this,
I say, God, the exact opposite looks like it's happening.
Instead of love, it looks like hate.
It looks like you are out for vengeance against me, Lord,
you know, all of these things.
But, and I told him,
I went through a really big threshold shift.
Again, I do these often,
and I went through one at the beginning of December.
And I literally had to, I remember exactly where I was,
I was lying there on my bed and I told him,
I said, okay, God, nothing around me proves this to me,
proves that what you're saying is true,
and I don't believe it.
But I am committing to you,
I am choosing that if you say
that you are my provision and your protection,
you say that you are more love
than I have acknowledged this far,
if you say that you are more good
than I have acknowledged this far,
that is what I am going to choose.
And I intentionally chose it, and I thought, okay,
then how would I act?
And I started acting like it.
Then I came to believe it.
Then, because I acted on it and I believed it,
that is what allows it to manifest into the earth.
I am the manifestation of what happens in the earth.
I'm the manifestation of the events.
So, and it doesn't mean that we're currently responsible,
that we here are currently responsible for what just happened.
I'm just saying that we have that much power and authority
because of who it is that we are
and where it is that we are.
Honestly, the only thing that helps me
and comforts me in these types of situations
is looking at God's character and declaring it to be so,
because you're right, there is no proof.
Otherwise, it's just disappointment.
Now, the proof comes in all kinds of other areas
of our life where, or areas of politics,
where we have seen the Lord come through.
I'm like, the Lord is faithful, the Lord is faithful.
But if we look in our current situation,
we're like, Lord, this looks like the exact opposite
of everything that all the prophets have been talking about
and what I thought my spirit and what I felt my spirit
and all kinds of things.
This looks like the exact opposite manifestation.
Like the manifestation does not declare truth to me.
Whatever you say, God, I'm choosing that that's true.
It's very difficult to make that shift.
I'm not making light of it at all.
I've had to walk through this through tears.
It's hard when everything in my life was on the line.
Relationships, finances, everything,
all at the same time, by the way, was on the line.
And it was near the beginning of December.
You and I were going through that conference at the time.
That was when I was going through
a very major threshold shift.
It was bad, it was so bad.
And I was essentially alone having to do it.
So, anyway, that was my most recent one.
I just mentioned this to tell you, I really do live this
and I know it's not easy.
I'm fully aware it's not easy,
but it's the only thing that has finally given me peace.
And it's something that I've had to learn.
Sorry, it's not any better than that,
but I promise that that is sustainable enough.
I promise.
Thank you.
Welcome.
Hey, Alana, did you have something?
I did.
I've been thinking a lot lately
and I've been working with some of my clients around this,
around the idea of the ego versus the soul
versus the spirit,
but mostly the difference between.
ego in the soul and I was wondering if you could speak to that at all. I don't really remember what
people talk about when they talk about the ego I always have to be reminded so can you give me like
what they're talking about when they talk about ego. I think with ego it's kind of like um that
part of us that's all about us the part of us that feels like we can control things that doesn't
necessarily see it from God's point of view they you kind of it kind of goes toward the negative
right and then yeah yeah and I was curious how does that relate to the soul are they in a sense
kind of not opposites but in a sense kind of opposites or are they one in the same more or
like what would you I just wanted to unpack that a little bit so I can help describe it to my
clients a little bit better well so the way that I see it is you know that usually that the people
who come up with the ego the the id things like that I do not believe they're believers and so
what they're trying to do is they're trying to to to figure out how to describe certain aspects of
us and those are the words that they chose um now the aspect of the ego you know that's looking out
for us you know whatever it's a way to describe the the way that I see it is the way to describe
the fact that in our soul we're in we're we're trying to operate according to the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil and the fact that we are trying to provide for and protect ourselves
we do we believe that we're abandoned and alone and it's up to us and we're and we're just looking
out for us we can remember that the way that God created us meaning that as the um you know as as
believers as one with Christ we are the new man we no longer have to worry that we're someone that
we're the old man so and the new man is perfect the new man isn't selfish the new man is not looking
out for himself he's one with Christ and he has no problem whatsoever sharing perfect complete union
and fellowship the that the aspect of our flesh you know whenever um whenever our soul is afraid
and it feels like oh my goodness you know the I don't I feel that God's going is um is uh has left
me in lack etc then we tend to operate in those very selfish things of like trying to look out for
me but that's the part of us that I mean that's the that that's our flesh it's the it's the it's
the flesh part of us that we're trying to over time manifest overcoming we're trying to overcome
there's nothing wrong with our soul there's nothing wrong with our body what we're trying to
overcome are the manifestation of all of the lies that the soul has believed and that the body is
is currently manifesting um and um so yeah but uh the soul in trying to look out for in in um how
would I word this in trying to protect a person and trying to provide for a person whatever all
of those are good intentions right God doesn't create bad things God created the soul and it's
a very good thing that's why psychologists counselors trauma therapists whatever you
know Christians non-Christians recommend you know acknowledging the soul and valuing it and affirming
it because it's trying to do a good job that's what Eve did when she chose from the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil the only one who cares to know about what's good know the difference
between good and evil is somebody who wants to do good an evil person has no desire to do it
to learn how the difference between good and evil but she wanted to know she wanted to know the
difference um and uh so we can we can know that our our soul just because it desires a good thing
does not mean that it's actually walking it out in wisdom um and it was sometimes in its desire to
see as provided for and protected because it knows that that's what we were created for we were
created to be covered just like a woman a woman was meant to be covered by a husband woman was
meant to be provided for and protected you can just tell literally physically psychologically
whatever anybody can tell you know and let's not talk about all of the all the other corruption
that's going on right now with all of those types of ideas about feminism and like gender
you know uh transgender and all of that just talking about like normal average common sense
human people uh that traditional thinking is a better way to describe it i'm not trying to to
to devalue anybody i was trying to just quickly be able to say it but yeah looking at traditional
thinking um we can very clearly understand we were meant to be covered and provided for
we remember are described as in the female sense when we're talked about compared to christ we're
the bride bride is meant to be covered so just like our spirit kind of um our soul interacts
with our spirit kind of similarly to how we interact with the lord and the fact that we're
afraid of it because our spirit is is one with christ and we're we're afraid of christ
I swear like, Oh my goodness.
I don't know that he's going to provide for and protect me.
I might be in lack.
The soul is doing the same thing.
If it doesn't feel covered, it feels like it needs to provide the covering
because it knows it was meant to be protected and provided for.
And if no one else is stepping up to the plate, it's going to do it.
It's trying to do a good thing, but it's due.
But the problem is the accusation that has against cross character
that he's not doing his job.
That's where the problem comes in.
So that's how I, that's the best way I can think of to describe the, the, um,
my, my, my thoughts on that.
And I might change how I would express that.
If I like listened to more to maybe Sigmund Freud or someone else's
idea about, Oh, well, this is what the eco is versus this is the ed.
Cause I don't remember it from the psychology one-on-one.
What was that 16 years ago, but, um, just generally from your description,
that's how I would, that's how I describe it.
It's just people's psychologists way of describing that aspect of ourselves
that feels that it has to look out for ourselves, if God, you know, a higher
power, whatever someone might, a non-Christian might describe it as what
God, if God isn't looking out for us, um, what it feels that it has to do.
Those are my thoughts.
So you will, you would kind of equate, um, the ego and the soul together.
Then I don't think of the, okay.
Well, for, so the Lord never talks that I'm aware of, of this thing called the ego.
He only says your body, soul, and spirit.
So he says, we're trying being just like that.
So as far as like an ego is like this entity or the being that is a way for the
non-Christians or the psychologist to describe it, and they like to talk about
it as if it's like this, not this being, but this entity.
So I would just, I don't know.
I just think it's their kind of way to just describe it, describe this feeling
that we have, this desire that we have, this intent, this, um, whatever, this
intention that we have to provide for and protect ourselves out of fear.
Um, so as far as like saying it's the same, maybe, I mean, it's, it's
things that our soul does.
It's things that our flesh does.
Our flesh looks to provide for and protect itself and thinks it's abandoned.
Sounds like the ego.
Yeah.
It's, it's interesting.
Cause when I first created my program, I hadn't understood a lot about the spirit
and the soul and the body and that the three, all of this that I've been learning.
And, um, so when I designed the program, I designed it with my current level of
knowledge at the time, which included the ego and kind of like, I looked at the
soul as being very different from the ego at the time.
I thought the ego was this like negative thing.
And I thought the soul was the part of us that was more
connected to God in the spirit.
I thought the soul was like that metaphysical part of us that.
You know, the mind, the heart, which could be transformed by God and that, you
know, you hold your thoughts captive.
He transforms you by the renewing of your mind.
So I looked at the soul as that and the ego as the part of us that was very
self-serving, but the soul as the part of us that was more connected to God.
And now I'm wondering if I was even accurate in thinking that.
Well, I don't, I don't know.
I, I, um, I think that the, um, I do, I do know this.
Um, what if you, if it, because I don't know necessarily.
I, um, I think that you would be better equipped to answer this
question for yourself than me.
So I'm just going to give you some direction to go in and then you can
figure out because you know, much more in depth than what you have been believing
about the ego and what you've been teaching about it.
So I believe that you'll be able to answer your question better than me,
but this is kind of the direction.
Think of it.
Um, so that you can, you can take this before the Lord and, and
have him resolve this for you.
Um, which obviously everybody on here knows that you should
do with everything I say.
So everything that I teach about spirit, soul, and body, it's
just what I believe so far so far.
I could change it tomorrow.
I could change what I believe tomorrow.
So far, this is what, this is what I understand what I believe.
So to each his own with the Lord about what they believe about what it is that
we've talked about in rest intensive.
But, um, so my thoughts are things like, uh, you said, you know, that the soul
could be, you didn't use this word.
So I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but I'm just trying to get an
idea across that the soul can be redeemed and the soul can, you know,
that the soul can be renewed, et cetera.
Well, if, if, um, I don't know then how far down you would go, you would take
yourself along the path of then what would happen to the ego because the ego, uh, I
mean, because Christ, when he died, he brought full reconciliation so that we
have, so that.
Our identity, which is in our spirit, is fully reconciled with the Lord, fully one with the
Lord, and that we are simply manifesting into the soul, into the body, the victory that's
already been won so that they actually look like it, so that they come into alignment
with it or whatever.
So through the blood of Christ and through his act, when we come to agreement with that,
that redemption and that reconciliation will fully manifest into absolutely every part
of us.
So when that, in the way that you've been believing the ego is, which I don't know,
that's why I'm leaving it up to you to take this before the Lord and figure it out, would
the way that you've been believing, would the ego be able to be redeemed?
Or in other words, have you believed this an aspect of us that could be redeemed and
then would just switch its thinking or was it sole purpose to the point that it can no
longer have any place and it has to die and be extracted from us?
And if that's the case, when we think about the fact that when God says that he reconciled
us, he already did all the work.
Everything is already, we already have power over all aspects of death.
There's not a part of us that somewhere that he says, isn't dead yet.
He says that the old man has already died.
So there's not something else coming that needs to die again.
It's just not an alignment and in manifestation of who it is that we are.
So it's still manifesting lies.
It still doesn't look healed.
It doesn't look, it still looks rebellious.
It still looks like it's selfish, but there's nothing else that like needs to be like that
was bad and God says, okay, well, I only create good things and I absolutely didn't
create that.
And so that's gotta go, you know?
So I don't, I don't fully know.
Those are just some of the ideas that came up that came to mind when you were talking.
I have no idea if that's how that might help you, but maybe it'll give you a direction.
Yeah.
No, it does for sure.
I think the way I saw it was like the ego was very fear-based and the soul was more
faith-based.
And the soul was more spirit-focused and the ego was more earthly focused.
And so I saw them as almost opposites back then, at least in the earthly realm, at least
in the physical realm, right?
Like, you know, keeping, cause when I start them on this process of going through my course,
I start them with like, you know, you, you go right to like the high level stuff right
away.
And then when they're with me, I sort of ease them into that and I get them to the high
level stuff eventually, but I kind of ease them in.
And I think when I first started off, this is like one of the first lessons where they
kind of learn a little bit about almost like the physical realm, like what they're experiencing
in the physical realm.
And so when I looked at it that way, I wasn't thinking about as much the spiritual realm.
I go into more of that later, but I go into their identity in Christ and I go into, you
know, their ego being that fear-based part of them and the soul being the part of them
that wants more of God's spirit to come and heal kind of like everything.
So I just don't know, because when I created it, I felt confident about what I was teaching.
And now that I've learned a lot of what's been taught here, I just want to feel aligned
and feel like I'm teaching the right thing.
And I think in some ways I could be because it's the physical realm, but then the way
you explain it, I'm like, if it's already done and the old man is already dead, am I
teaching something incorrectly?
You know, I have actually struggled with that, with my own teaching and the rest intensive
periodically, things will come up and I'm like, well, wait just a second.
Does that change what it is that I've been teaching?
Does it change what it is?
And what I've come to understand is I'm like, it doesn't matter what it is that I hear from
different people.
What matters is what it is that I have owned.
So do, what is it that I actually have internalized in my relationship with the Lord and I'm walking
out and that is what I teach.
So until that shifts, then I just let some of this, I let the stuff just be because I'm
like, well, I don't know.
This is just new thought and a new idea that has come, um, that, that if it's true, would
change some of the things that I have taught, but I'm like, yeah, but is it true?
Because I fully this, I mean, and, and so anyway, what I decide, I thought, well, what
should I do?
Should I, should I take it down until I know for sure?
And I thought, no, actually you're responsible in your relationship with the Lord for what
it is that you own in your relationship, what somebody else says and not what sounds like
it might plausibly be true, you know, you and your relationship with the Lord, what,
what do you own?
own in your life, not what you heard. What, what do I own? Meaning like what do I,
what have I internalized to the point that has become one between me and the Lord and I live it,
not that I live it because somebody else believes it and I trust them.
So until I shift in what it is that I own, I'm keeping it because this is what it is that I,
what I teach all and what I have up in the rest intensive is what I currently
live. And until that changes or until God tells me I need to do something different, you know,
on it, I'm, I'm keeping these things up. Now, I don't mean that I've questioned all of this stuff.
There's just been like, in fact, I can only think of one thing that I have, like that someone said
something one time and it all of a sudden it started my wheels turning thinking, wait a
minute. I remember mentioning in one particular video that dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah,
and I'm like, yes, that is that possibly wrong? I mean, I, I, I knew that I knew that I needed to
do my relationship with the Lord, you know, and I thought, actually rest, relax. It's okay.
Until God tells you and you have owned it differently. This is your walk with the Lord
and your teaching reflects your walk with the Lord. Um, so that's what I would recommend to you
put on your own oxygen mask first. If it is, if, if you need to change something,
you need to own it differently than you owned it than the person of what it is that you owned,
when you taught that, but until that changes and unless God puts something on your conscience and
on your spirit, then obviously that's different, but just giving you some general rule of thumb
that your, your course needs to reflect you and what it is you've owned in your
relationship with the Lord, because that's what he's holding you accountable to. Um, so.
Yeah. And it's interesting. Cause I feel like I'm in this, um, in between phase where I'm still
trying to figure out in some ways, how to articulate for myself, everything that I've
learned. Like I listened to you and I'm like, yup, makes sense. Totally ingesting it, feel at rest.
We all do that with people. Yeah. And I'm like, I want to be able to share it. And I'm like, well,
I know got to own it for us. Got to own it. I do the same thing. I don't know how many
conferences that I've been to, you know, how many, you know, I feel like every time I get on here,
I'm telling you y'all, Oh yeah, I've been such and such a conference. I go to conferences all
the time. I've listened to so many people, but until I own it, I can't. And then in fact,
some people have asked me, Hey, Ashley, you know, when you get done with such and such a
conference, can you tell us, you know, can you teach us then the stuff that you've learned?
And I said, no, not until I've owned it, not until I've owned it, because otherwise I'm
regurgitating what somebody else said. And even if I think it sounds good and plausible, if I
haven't owned it, if there's an aspect of it in which I don't want to say that it's not authentic,
but it's that y'all are supposed to receive an aspect. What I'm responsible to Lord for
is if I'm a life giving spirit, God's my relationship and my spirit is supposed to flow
out and into the rest intensive. And if that aspect and that life giving spirit of the Lord
and I together is something that the Lord and you together resonates with, then he will draw
the, then he will draw y'all to, to to join the rest intensive, et cetera. But y'all, you need
me. I have to, in other words, I have to put on my own oxygen mask first. And so if I want,
as opposed to me thinking, what is it that y'all need? And have y'all tell me what it is that you
need? No, no, no. Y'all, the Lord put us all together because he said, Ashley, I'm telling
you things and I'm having you live things and own things so that when you speak, because you live it,
when you speak it, you impart it. And it's the same thing for you that what it is that you own,
you impart. So if you are simply regurgitating something that, that if we're regurgitating
something that we haven't owned yet, it doesn't bring life because there's no spirit in it.
Because it does not have your spirit. And it's more of the tree of the knowledge of good and
evil. It's knowledge. It's not owned. And it's not, you're not pulling it from the spirit
and operating from that. So it can't, so it's not operating in a life giving spirit way. It's
simply, it's simply information, simply knowledge. Sure. Could somebody's life be transformed by you
saying it? Sure. But that's something that the Lord does in their spirit. But what he wants us
to do is to understand, no, no, no, no. The power to manifest things on earth is you operating as a
life giving spirit, coming into alignment, being in alignment with me and agreeing with me.
That whatever I say that is true, really is true. That is what is going to transform the world.
Not information that we learn about and regurgitate where we're trying so hard to get it right.
You remember so often that I have, I've come on here and, and when I teach like, like right now,
I'm just talking and I'm going to have to go back and look at what it is that I said.
you know, when we talk just out of the spirit, I'll say, it's like, we just,
we just know things that we didn't know that we knew. Right. And so that is what
God, that's what God calls. That's what God calls us to do is to operate from
that place. Anyway, that's what I'm encouraged of you as well, and to just
release yourself from, from, from the, from the oppressive feeling of, oh, my
word, I've got to get right. Live it, own it, be, you know, whatever it is you
live and own in your relationship with the Lord, and that you be changed first,
if the Lord desires you to change something, you be changed first that you
live and own it, because when, and, and this is, this is very, very, very
important. Part of the reason that y'all are able to shift, and I haven't shared
this with y'all so far, because, you know, you have to be at a certain point,
maybe to be able to hear it, hear it in the heart in which I mean it. But part of
the reason that y'all have that y'all have shifted and that people shift when
they're in the rest intensive, yes, you can do it on your own with the father,
absolutely, no question. But when someone has already blazed the trail in
you, and when they're giving you a life giving spirit, when they're speaking out
of a life giving spirit and out of the spirit, it imparts something to others so
that they can get down that road faster. There are many of y'all that have
shifted faster than I did. Why? Because I blazed the trail first. And for me, it
took, it was longer and harder. So that you, those who could come behind me
could pass through faster. And there are those that have gone before me that have
blazed a very long, arduous trail. And I have in things that have taken them
years, they have told me, Ashley, you're moving in months through things that
took me years, because I'm learning from them. And they have an end. And by
learning from them in their life giving spirit, and the fact that they owned this
and they have like embodied what it is that they have learned from the Lord, it
actually being me learning from them, it imparts something of what it is that
they've accomplished to me. That's how we're able to be, you know, in one with
the spirit, how one in spirit, you know, with the Lord, with with Christ, how we're
able to benefit each other, each of us dies that the others might live. So what
your people need is you, because they need you to impart something to them,
that you can impart to them, but you can only impart it to them. If you are a
life giving spirit that is operating from the place that you've owned it in
your own relationship with the Lord doesn't mean that you're going to do all
the work for them, they have that benefit. And when they come into your,
you come to your presence to choose to receive it when meaning like you're
teaching to choose to receive it from their own Lord, they don't receive it
from you, they receive it from the Lord, but they have the benefit kind of like
Elisha of receiving like a portion, like the old charismatic way of referring to
it is, is this is this idea of like the charismatics refer to it as and is like
an anointing or something, you know, that's how that so that's for those of
you who are charismatic, you know, you might be able to resonate with Oh, that
that word. In other words, this idea that, that someone else has done some work for
you that you don't have to do all of it yourself. They've done some of it and you
get to benefit. So you know, I could like if I start a puzzle, you know, and I get
three quarters of the way through, but you finished the puzzle, you got to
finish the puzzle, but I did three quarters of the work for you so that you
didn't have to, but you're the one who finished it and you're, you still did the
work and you had to choose to step into it and to do it. You had to exercise your
brainpower. You had to do whatever you did it, but you got to benefit from
someone else's work. And so your clients will do the same thing from you. We, we
impart our spirits, an aspect of our spirits into others. After we've owned
it, you can own it for only a day, but it has to be owned. It has to be real. It
has to be from the, from the spirit. So anyway, so you were, you were released,
you were released. It's got to be just right.
That's not me at all. What are you talking about?
It's good. It comes from a wonderful heart, but it's oppressive and it's
exhausting.
You know, when God gives us this like ability to speak into other people's
lives based on his word and who he is, it's such a big responsibility that I
really want to make sure that I'm giving them the right information, the right
spirit, the right words, the right, you know, I don't even know how to explain
it, but you know, those unsaid things, I want to be able to, like you said,
impart them onto them, but not, I don't want to lead them astray. I don't want
to lead them in any wrong direction. I want to keep them on the straight and
narrow path. So when I questioned these things, like I was up in the middle of
the night thinking about it, cause I had a group coaching call last night and I
was like,
you know, was it just something I believed back then, but now I'm shifting. So this belief is
shifting and is this belief right? Or does that still work in some way? And I was saying,
you know, because it is a big responsibility, right? It is. It is. It is a big responsibility.
Yeah. So let your spirit carry it, not your soul. Yeah. Cause your soul and all your soul can carry
it to the degree that it has matured to be able to handle that weight. But the, whatever aspect
of the weight that that carries that your soul can't quite handle yet. Let your, give it, give
it to your spirit and then your spirit will only carry however much. Do y'all remember me talking
about this, you know, about the mantle that God gives us. Okay. About the fight. And then for
those of you who are on here that may not have heard it, you know, the Lord gave me a vision of,
I was about, even though I was a full grown adult, I looked about to be the size of like a four-year
old. I was very, very short, but I was a full grown adult that I was, I was as short as four-year
old. And so Jesus gave me this mantle, a full mantle that was as big as like Elizabeth II's
coronation mantle, which is like, I think it's six yards long. It's like, it's very deep plush
velvet and ermine extremely heavy. So heavy that if I'm not mistaken, I don't think she can pull
it by herself, which is why the maids carry it anyway. So I had that on me and because I was
four, what it showed me is even though God gave me the full thing, the only thing that I was
responsible for carrying was everything from my shoulder down to the ground. In other words,
it was based on my height and the strength that that height could carry. That is all that I
carried and that I was responsible for. God gave me all of it, but the floor supported it. And
I was only operating it and operating in the area of responsibility of what I had been given,
according to my maturity at the time. And as I grew, it naturally pulled at more and more at
the mantle. And I was carrying more and more of the responsibility. So I just mentioned that to
relieve us from the fact that, oh my goodness, I've got this huge responsibility. God will only
give us what it is that we can, um, that, that, uh, there's an aspect of the fact that God will
only give us what it is that we can carry, but understand that there's also a strengthening that
he does where we're like, oh Lord, I can't, I can't carry this. This is too heavy. Sorry. I
don't know if you could see me there for a second. My battery says that it's low. Um, but, uh, anyway,
that, uh, there's an aspect in which just like in weights, when we're, when we are trying to
strengthen ourselves and we're trying to strengthen our, our muscles, there's, there's an aspect in
which it's, we, we were pushing our boundaries. And so the same thing with, with the weight of
responsibility, it's like, oh my goodness, this is new territory. This feels very heavy. So, um,
there, God won't give us more than we can bear, so to speak. But at the same time, there's a,
there is a strengthening exercise that does go on in which we feel at times that it's more than
what it is that we can, we can bear. So, so is it, is it possible then to like in meeting someone
where they're at, to help them understand their soul maybe, and like heal parts of their soul
before they're able to really understand God's spirit and really trust him and really have faith
in him. Like my example would be going to church for almost a year and never, never hearing my
pastor talk about Jesus until the one day that I was like, my heart was open and I became a
Christian that day was the first time I ever heard him talk about Jesus, but he talked about Jesus
every week. I just wasn't ready to hear it. I was listening to the rest of the life application
stuff that he was saying. So is it possible that with some of the women that come into my sphere
and come into my program because of all their trauma and all of their negative belief systems,
is it possible that, and I'm open to whatever answer, but that they might need some healing
in their soul before they can really get to a place of accessing that trust faith in God's
protection and provision? Well, okay. It depends. So remember that when we're young in the Lord,
God will show us proof first before, you know, and saying, Hey, look, look, see, I'm healing you.
I'm healing you. So don't you see that I'm love? Don't you believe that I'm love? And now can't
you choose that I'm love and act like it. But then over, but then in, um, there are times where,
where we just really, truly have to cast ourselves and abandon ourselves onto him,
choosing that whatever he says is true before we're healed, because we're no matter what we're
trying, we're not getting healed. So it depends. I mean, I've seen it work both ways and not only,
not only others' life, but my own life.
multiple times God has handled it from different directions.
He's handled it from both of the areas that you,
both of the directions that you've mentioned.
So, because ultimately what he's trying to get us to
is to choose him even before we heal,
because it's by, it's being in him that heals us
as opposed to we get healed and that brings us in.
Because the idea of like getting healed
and then that healing is enough to be able to trust him
is falls similar, I believe similar to that idea
that, well, you know, you need to fix up your life first
before you can become saved.
Well, we all know that that's not true,
but sometimes, you know,
we'll still allow ourselves things like,
well, I need to heal first before I trust God.
And God's like, no, no, no,
it's in me that you get your healing.
But when someone can't quite do it,
there are certain ways that God will interact
in people's lives in very, very different ways
where he will come meet them fully where they are
and it's by their healing and by their transformation
that they're healed.
I mean, and sorry, not that they're healed,
that they're healed and then they believe
and they trust God.
So God will father and govern each son differently.
So there's no hard and fast rule.
It works both ways because it's based on relationship.
That is a God who is having relationship with his son
and he's gonna do it in a variety of ways.
We can get very frustrated with it.
Well, Lord, you know, why did you heal them before?
You know, they trusted you
and see the Lord that worked for them.
They got the proof and then they have the faith.
But me, you're not healing me until I have the faith.
You know, like, Lord, that's just not fair.
God's like, no, this isn't about fair.
This isn't about a formula.
This isn't about a standard.
This is about a relationship
and I'm a being and you're a being,
we're having a relationship.
And so I'm fathering you into things
and I'm going to handle every son differently
according to my unique relationship with them.
I know their background.
You don't know their background.
You can't, you can't declare judgment against them.
So it's both.
Yeah.
No, that's a good relationship.
Yeah.
It is.
Yeah, I think because I've always come at this place
with my program of getting into that,
those healing areas,
those programs that have been running for so long in them
that it's like, now I'm learning
about just accessing the spirit directly
without having to know all the information, right?
But yet some of my program
is giving them information on things
so that they understand more.
And so I'm just, I'm just shifting.
Yeah.
It's using tools.
Tools are great.
Tools are gifts from God.
Everything that you're doing is a gift from God
to those people that God just doesn't want us
to eventually grow and mature to the point
where we realize they're not our source.
But if that's where his people are looking,
then that is where y'all often appear.
If God's like, hey, I want you to see me over here.
But if you're like, no, Lord.
Oh, they're four years old.
No, Lord.
You know, where are you?
Where are you?
Why aren't you showing me yourself?
And God's like, I am, I am, I am.
He's like, okay, fine.
You can't see me.
So I'm gonna put myself here.
Okay, you see me now?
Yes, Lord, I can see you.
Well, he put himself where we were looking.
Now he's like, okay, so now let's, let's, you know,
keep your eyes on me.
Okay, now we're gonna walk over here to this unknown,
this unknown place in the direction
that you've never seen me before.
And anyway, so there's nothing wrong with tools,
nothing wrong with what you're using,
nothing wrong with your tools.
You are, understand that we're all, when we teach,
we are all meeting people in different,
we're all meeting people, what do you call it?
In different, in different places.
God has called us to different people.
God has called us to, you know,
if you like that path that I was talking about
with Linda, I said,
we're all on this different path of maturity.
Well, God gives pastors and gives caregivers
and caretakers to the various groups of people
along the path.
We're not all university professors.
Some of us are elementary school professors,
elementary school teachers.
Some of us are pre-K teachers.
Some of us, some of us, you know,
do Mother's Day out and, you know, for newborn babies.
You know, where God provide, lovingly provides care
and sends people to care for people
along the different maturity paths.
So if your people are to the point
where that is where they see God,
if they're looking for God in a particular place,
so you're using those tools
because that's the only thing that they'll grasp ahold of,
then you are an absolute God sent to them
because they may not be able to make the leap
to this group that you're in, you know,
and how it is that we talk about things.
And God doesn't, is a good father
and he doesn't want to leave them abandoned and alone,
you know?
Yeah, and I think that was my experience.
So I think that's what I teach.
because it was my experience, but as I'm growing
and learning and understanding more about the spirit,
it's like, my experience is changing,
but sometimes I forget where I used to be
and I forget where they still are, right?
Yeah, it's important, you know, when we remember,
when we learn who it is that we are,
it's a lot easier for us to see where everyone else is
and then to have compassion on them.
There's like, but that's not who they really are.
They really are in the spirit,
but they think that they're like this.
So I can have compassion.
That's just what they are.
They're fine.
There's nothing wrong with them
because they're in the spirit, so they're just fine.
It gives us compassion for other people,
understanding they're just on a process and a journey
of overcoming things that, and they are meant to die
in ways that I might live, and I need to honor that in them.
And as opposed to thinking, well, I'm more mature
because I'm more spiritually da-da-da-da-da-da.
No, they are meant to die in ways
that I'm currently feeling enslaved.
They're meant to die and overcome in certain areas
that will then bring me freedom.
And as a, you know, and so we're each given things to,
because everything, every area in which we die
in the whole body of Christ, because we're one,
the whole body of Christ gets to benefit from, so.
Sorry, I apologize, it's late here.
I'm yawning, it's not because I'm bored.
No, you're fine, I know.
I know it's very late, I'm sorry.
I know we had that, we had that other teaching.
So I'm trying to figure out what to do
because I'm having to do the rest impacts at the time
that I normally do the calls.
So I'm trying to figure out if,
what to do about all of that.
But Audra, did you have a question or not?
Was that heart a raised hand
because you couldn't find a hand
or was that just a heart?
I just had to make sure
because I don't know where the hand is on your either.
Yeah, if you just-
I can click on myself here.
I'm not used to doing this on my phone.
You may not have a question.
I just, I don't mean to like call you out,
but you had a heart and I was like, maybe I put the hand.
You had said something,
but now a lot of things have been said.
That's what my heart was for.
That was really good.
Oh, okay.
I'm glad no one's ever given me a heart.
My sister will give me a heart.
That makes sense.
I doubt it.
So, oh, by the way,
Audra's little sister, little sister,
little daughter, Kayla,
is spending the night here at the house tonight.
She's in the other room.
She's very, she had a really great time, Audra.
Oh, yay.
So Kayla is four, almost five, everybody.
She's cute.
She's a little redhead in the family.
She's a doll.
She's like the skimmy.
She's so cute.
Anyway, so did anyone have anything
before we go for the night?
Are we good?
It's so good to see everybody
since I know that we've been missing three weeks.
I mean, because we missed two weeks in there
and so that makes it three
that we had to go through before
and we could get together.
So I'm glad that we're hopefully back on track.
So, all right.
Well, it was so good to see everyone.
I will see y'all all next week.
And yeah, anyway, I will talk to you all later.
Bye.
Bye, thanks.