Okay.
Hey, Steph.
We match today. We're both in the dark.
Yeah.
Get tonight, I think.
Does mine look okay?
Because mine updated and everything looks really weird on my end.
Yeah.
I mean, but you know, I can see like half of you. I mean,
so you look fine.
Yeah, I know.
I even had lights on.
Oh,
You don't have power.
No,
everybody went to bed and just kind of turned the lights off and left
me with the dogs.
So.
Do you have power?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I do. But I'm just.
Okay.
I'm going to try as I can get it tonight. Hey, Jonathan.
How are you doing, buddy?
Hi.
You walked in the room and heard your voice and said, Hey, Ashley.
Oh, yay.
Hey, Jonathan.
Dad. No, I've got a,
I don't know if you're going to be able to see it. Let me see.
Oh,
I can see the fireplace going.
Oh,
Nice.
So anyway.
Yeah, but the, but the light is at the other end of the room,
but at least you can see, y'all can see my face.
So this will do for now. Hey, Alana.
Hi.
I said hi.
And then I was muted.
No worries.
Okay.
So I know that.
We will have a call next.
Next week, next Thursday,
but we won't the week after that because week after that is the first
night of conference.
So.
And the first session of the conference,
which I think is going to start at seven central.
I think that's right.
I remember correctly.
So anyway.
Hi, everyone.
I'm with some friends of mine that I grew up with in Turkey.
And so that's very special. And, and my family,
thankfully is all okay in Texas.
My brother and sister-in-law, they, they lost their power.
I don't know if they lost water or not, but they lost power.
And then they went back, I think last night,
and I hadn't heard that they needed to come back to my parents. So.
And then Audra and Phillip, they didn't lose power. So.
It's all good.
And Amy, I can see that you have power and you've got water, I guess.
Yes.
We never lost power. So we've been really blessed.
Water was, you know,
some people lost water because they had their pipes first.
And they had their pipes.
And they had their pipes first.
So thankfully we.
And then Princeton.
The whole city was shut off from water. They, the city shut it off.
Because the treatment plant didn't have electricity.
Yeah.
So I think that was the only place where it was literally.
They shut off.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a disaster because when your pipes first.
You don't have electricity. First of all, I mean, it's just.
Unbelievable.
Just my friends and the things that I've been seeing posted on social
media, what people have been going through my two daughters,
two of them that live in the Dallas area, two or three of them.
Well, all three of them lost power.
And one of them was just for less than a day.
And they had a gas stove.
Until today.
Gas too.
So they had a gas fireplace, but they have a huge house,
so it's not going to eat the whole house.
And they had a gas stove so they could cook.
But yeah, still.
Often on power, you know,
More often on, so, but we haven't had, we've been even had a glitch.
So.
Yeah.
I'm glad. Yeah.
I know that a lot of people that I've talked to, thankfully,
a lot of people that I know have had power and water.
Then there there's the sprinkling of people that just,
I'm personally connected with that.
That have had to go without, but then there are some really.
People going through.
Yeah.
What does anyone have anything to start us off with tonight?
Yeah.
Same here.
I never got to ask my question from a couple weeks ago remember I was going to ask you
and I never got to ask. Oh sorry go for it. Yeah so you know how some people say that yoga
and karate and stuff like that is like demonic and it's idols and idol worship and false gods
and all this and if you do it then you're in really bad trouble. So I don't believe that but
I don't have a really good argument for it that so I just wanted to hear what you had to say about
that. Oh well so I believe that they are that those things are how would I put it the people
who came up with those or whatever I believe that they that they discovered things that
God actually has created but not knowing God and not knowing where it originated from
they they decided to they incorporated some some corrupted foundation within it and they're using
that as its source is the source through which they're doing it because you know that source
is a really big deal in the fact that we God calls us to rely on him as a source as opposed to
something outside of him which would be you know the tree of life versus the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil. Well it's the same thing with this it's just that this source being used could
either be it could either be considered some kind of nature or it could be considered like as in
mother nature or universe or something or it can actually be considered satan or some anyway
something that mankind is wanting to grab a hold of and or think that it is like this source out
there like kind of think like the star wars idea of the force some kind of the force out there
um that they are using to that they're harnessing and trying to use through this this thing like
yoga or or karate or whatever um and in order to give that they that they to which they are
attributing meaning and power of what it is they're doing all the way back to this corrupted
God or source or spirit or whatever and so I think that that's where the danger is um I don't
think that there's anything wrong personally with yoga or with karate or or things like that but
that um that certain people like certain teachers that are up there teaching yoga or that are
teaching karate are in can be inviting certain demonic spirits to come in and um to have to have
free reign to have authority they're authorizing those kinds of things to happen whether or not
they know it I think that that kind of thing does happen um so so I do believe that they're that the
people who talk about there being danger in it I believe that they're right however I don't believe
that I personally believe that God is the one who originally created those things and they're
just particularly grabbing a hold of certain principles that God created and because the
because the church and because people that that are the sins of God and didn't know about it and
didn't feel um didn't harm didn't find it first didn't claim it for the Lord um even if they
didn't find it first but if they haven't claimed it for the Lord in in understanding what Paul said
where everything is permissible but not everything is edifying if they didn't well then these other
people have just just taken it and run with it and uh and they get to receive certain benefits
from it but if it's all in an in an evil source then it's going to lead to nothing but death
but it doesn't but but yeah so makes sense so that's what I personally believe
like the secret people where they harness the power of the human mind and understand
quantum physics and all that kind of stuff and they use it but they're crediting the universe
the creation as the source rather than one yeah yeah anything outside of the source it could even
now I mean any source outside of God himself like even source isn't using themselves you know man is
the source which is why what I talk about uh you know when when we talk about things such as um uh
How to put it that we are in Christ, and then in that position, we have a particular authority
that we can speak in, we still have to make sure that we understand that we're doing it
through Christ at all times, and through the blood of Christ at all times, because if,
if we if we don't, we can just be thinking, oh, my goodness, you know, I God died for
me a long time ago. And I therefore I can go off like the prodigal son, do whatever
I want now. In other words, take my inheritance in leave, and try to operate apart from God.
Well, even Christians can have can be in danger of doing that, doing that too. And then what
they what certain people you know, who operate in yoga or what kind of other things this
is it reiki, reiki or energy healing or, or karate, you know, martial arts, things
like that. I do believe that the Lord is has certain principles that all of those people
have grabbed ahold of, and added, come at them from a corrupted foundation and have
twisted. And when the Lord began to teach me all of those things, he began to show me
that he was in there. But what I couldn't figure out was how to extricate the true principles
of God from the corrupted foundation from which I was hearing it. So I asked the Lord
to to, to teach me and to bring me in contact with people who could explain to me where
all of this stuff originated so that I'd feel safe, and safe. I'd understand in which way
I could safely interact with principles that my God created, because I was only hearing
about them through the approach of people who were doing it, believing it was believing
that God man was his own God, that man was so powerful that anything that he decided
to use to harness quantum physics for, or that he could come up with out of his own
mind, you know, the whole idea of law of attraction, we're working with the universe
or whatever. And I was only hearing about it from that perspective. And I didn't know
how to how to separate it was just kind of like this wad of spaghetti. And so I had to,
I had to ask the Lord to just kind of like, take me back to his truth in the from that
truth, to build to build from there and to and to stop in into. And what I what he was
able to do was because I realized that God was that God was in all those other new agey
things that I'd heard about, it allowed me to understand and to to realize, okay, God
is not as limited as I thought he was. So instead of starting to operate from this place,
if I went back to the foundation, I could now you know, which was God, I could just
progress from here, instead of looking at this and trying to extricate it, that's just
entirely too complicated. I just went all the way back to the truth, and then would
just just realize, okay, God is not as limited as I thought. So therefore, I need to allow
the Lord to to reveal to me what he desires to reveal to me, as opposed to me, learning
from this perspective, and then constantly putting limits on God of like, Oh, no, no,
I know, that's not true. And I know God wouldn't go in that direction. I'd already seen that
God was in areas that were had previously been unknown to me before. And it allowed
me to be much more open to having him teach me from ground zero. That's what being exposed
to that information did for me. But it's entirely too complicated to try to extricate it.
And sometimes, sometimes not, but sometimes it is. Yeah, I agree. The Lord taught me to
about to take things all the way back to the beginning. And it's so much easier to sort
them out rather than, you know, reminded me because one time I asked the Lord about,
you know, this law of attraction stuff. I started hearing it everywhere, you know,
a few years back. And I was like, Okay, what's wrong with this Lord? You know,
open mindedly? Is there something wrong with this? What's wrong with it? And that's exactly
what he said to me. And I forgotten. He said, it's the wrong source. They're looking at.
Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Now, another thing, you know, you can think about, you know, if you're looking
at people, you know, looking for a biblical reference is and I've referred to this before
in, in the video, my goodness, way back in April. I think it's Deuteronomy two, perhaps,
where it talks about, you know, the, the Amorites, Moabites, and the Edomites were
had been given land by the Lord, because they believed that they could take it.
So they believe that they
could conquer the same Anakites, the same giant group that the people of Israel
didn't believe that they could, even though God told them that they could.
And so these quote-unquote non-believers were held up as an example that they had believed
that they could, and so therefore God gave it to them and wouldn't even let the Israelites
take, claim their land from them, because God says, no, no, no, that's theirs.
But he was, but Moses was saying, hey, look, you know, your forefathers didn't believe that
they could take on, that they could take their land, even though God said that they could,
but these non-believers believed it, and so the Lord has given it to them.
Um, so I just say that as an example of, of the, of the fact that it doesn't make them,
it doesn't mean that they believe that God would, was going to give it to them,
but they believed that they could conquer the Anakites.
Um, and, uh, Israelites were told by God, or Canaan, and they didn't conquer the Anakites,
and they didn't, and didn't believe them. And it was the Israelites that were the chosen ones.
So it's the same for us. It's like, hey, look, you're, you're my children. And,
and I am the God who created all of these things. And I give you the promise that you can,
that you can overcome, that you can step into you, that you can gain the benefits of,
and all of the blessings of this thing. Um, and, uh, the non-believers are believing that
they can do it, even though they're not even acknowledging me, but they believe that I can
do this. So, man, I never saw that word. It's incredible. Yeah. It was very, very powerful.
Yeah. This land that is available to us just because they believe they can.
Yeah. I know. Isn't that wild? It doesn't say in the Bible that they believed that they believed
God. It doesn't say that God says that he gave it to him. It says after they conquered the land,
and it means after they believed that they could, and they conquered the land and they
conquered the Anakites and whatever, then God gave it to them. And part of the whole God giving
him, giving it to them could be the fact that he allowed him to overcome them. But the point is
it doesn't ever reference the fact that it was God in whom they were believing to give them the land
or that God had promised them that land, you know, it didn't, it doesn't ever reference that,
but it does say that God was pleased that they knew that they could conquer. And they, and so
therefore he allowed him to, so. Yeah. And that's the believers rejecting all of this stuff just
because unbelievers discovered it first, you know, associate with what, you know, everyone
calls new age and all that. And, and it's just like the enemy is so sly, isn't he? Yeah. Another,
another example that we've talked about before is the centurion, you know, the centurion who was a,
a, um, a Gentile, he believed that Jesus could do things that the Israelites didn't believe he could
do. Um, that, Hey, all you have to do is just say the word and my servant will be healed. Jesus said,
I haven't seen faith like this in all of Israel. And so he said, go, because according to what you
believe, according to what you say, that that will come to pass. Um, uh, I'm paraphrasing there,
but he was just, he was basically saying, you know, Jesus, I, I, I know what you can do.
I know who you, I, he didn't say that he knew his son of God, but he was basically saying,
I know your character. I know who you are and I know you can do this. And Jesus is like, Hey,
you see, according to who it is that you believe that I truly am, because I am that thing you get
to bear that you get to benefit from what it is that you agree with me about, uh, about who I am.
Um, so, and even the non-believers can, can do that. So, you know,
that's my own personal belief about karate and yoga.
So I've been even in churches, you know, that don't feel right to me, you know, they either
feel dead or they, they feel, they, they, there feels like some kind of an evil presence. Um,
and these are people that, you know, think they, that love the Lord and, and all of that. So,
I mean, you can find, um, uh, you can find corruption and, uh, belief in lies anywhere,
whether it's in yoga, karate or in a church. So that's really good point. Yeah. Or on ourselves
based on what it is that we believe. Yes. I mean, not like in ourselves, but I mean,
it's like we even operate according to sources outside of the Lord sometimes
and not, I'm not saying that we're like trying to come into agreement purposefully with Satan.
this do. I'm just talking about the fact that we are choosing some source outside of the Lord.
So it's not as it's, I don't believe it is something that we need to be very,
not afraid of, very wary of, very, very careful. But it's not so, it's not like
this thing that we can find in yoga is if we were to go in a yoga class is different
than some of the things that we've already come into agreement with in our own lives
and other places. So it, God is just wants us to understand it's all that serious. So
right. It's outside of ourselves unless we take it as something else and allow it to control us.
Yeah. And I don't, you know, a lot of the classes, like you said, are led by people that do attach
a spiritual aspect to say yoga. And so, yeah, those, I don't, those are, I mean, yeah, those,
I get that, that you can attach a spirit, spiritual significance to it. Yeah. We've
been through a, a video of exercises that is called yoga. Yeah. You know, I, you know,
like I said, I don't believe there's anything wrong with that, but I, I, I don't believe that
part of what got my attention was the fact of like, wait a minute, if my God is the one who
created a body, like a human body, why is putting it in a particular position evil?
Unless that doesn't make any sense. My God's the one who made it possible for it to be in that
position. So I knew that that wasn't it, that it had to be some, you know, like, like, like what
it is that the person is believing and spiritually like inside calling on, you know, to help them or
to, or I don't know, some kind of power that they're attributing to it. You know, it's, it's,
it's in the, it's in the intention of the user. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. Because
it's our actions that got, that were justified never ever. It's all about intention. Yeah.
Yeah. Evil. If, if we, and so you're talking about putting yourself in different positions,
the body positions, you know, I'm sure you've heard people say this that are against yoga.
Oh, well, those different positions are related to their different gods and all of that. And I'm
like, well, I don't do that. I'm just putting my hands and feet on the floor and sticking my butt
up in the air to get a good stretch. That's right. That's right. Well, I've heard people talk about
things like, I don't know, not even, not even related to yoga, but about other things like
certain architecture that, that was, that was set to, to symbolize certain things.
And people don't realize that, oh my goodness, it's all over. All of that architecture that has
all of these meanings is all over, you know, American, I know different capital buildings,
or around the United States. And, and I just, and I just think, oh my goodness, people,
aren't we taking this too far? I mean, not that that was that, that meaning wasn't attributed
to certain shapes that they would put, but that they would put on, on buildings by that. I mean,
like, I mean, like circled, I mean, things we don't even think about, I'm talking about like,
like spheres or, or like triangles or whatever. And those are shapes. God created those shapes.
And so for us to not use them, or to think that, oh, people using them for art in architecture,
because certain, not, not certain buildings in Rome were, or they were on particular
god and goddesses' temples in Rome. And they mean the X, Y, and Z. Well, we shouldn't use them now.
Oh, that's silly. You know, are we going to allow someone kind of like the, the, the rainbow? Are we
going to allow the rainbow to be taken from it? Absolutely not. You know, it's just like,
there we go. I see that I missed a couple of, of chats from someone who even had an issue with
salt lamps. Yes, actually, I've heard, I've heard of that issue, a lot of issues with, yeah, with
the salt lamps. Yeah. And I don't remember what they were. I think it's based on the people who
use them. A lot of times for people who are very, very, I don't want to say hippie, but because I
use salt lamp, I gave, I gave Jonathan a salt lamp. I have a salt lamp. I gave Jonathan a salt lamp.
But that the people that were doing it for a while, and that got it really popular.
are people that are a little, little hippie, very, very organic, very recce healing energy
healing. And because of all of this other stuff that they were involved with and the stuff that
they were wanting the salt to help them with. I think that that is where people got to thinking
that the salt itself was bad. It's like, Oh, anyway, you know, God just calls us to be very
discerning. So, and to remember who we are. So, but yes, I've heard that with the salt lamps.
I used to be one of those people that wondered if salt lamps were okay. And then I bought one
and I gave it as a gift. And when I gave it as a gift at the time, Jonathan goes through phases,
but at the end of the day, at that particular phase, wisdom was his favorite spirit,
spirit of the Lord. And he had different, he had different and spirits of, of God that he,
that he'll focus on it particular seasons. And at that time it was wisdom. Well, and some believe
that the spirit of wisdom's color is orange and this salt lamp was orange. So I got it for him
during that time. And I told him, I said, look, it's orange, just like wisdom. Cause he, at that
time, he was talking to me a lot about, about wisdom, wisdom, wisdom. Anyway, and it was a
light. I was like, Hey, the light, like, we're the light, Jonathan. And it's like, and it's salt
with the salt and the earth. I thought it was greatly prophetic.
It is greatly. It sits by his bed. I'll have to ask him tonight if he remembers who gave it to
him. I'm sure he does. Although that was a busy day. Yes. It's a very busy day. Yeah. I remember
that day. So does anyone have anything else? Another question? I don't even know what time it
is. I went on and on about that question. It's nine 30 Eastern. I don't know what it is. Where
are you? I'm in Louisiana. So it's central standard time. It's eight 30. Oh yeah. I just, I had to,
I have to tap my phone sometimes a couple of times before it'll show me that the time.
I'd left you a polo. I think three or four days ago, maybe. Did you get that one? I did. I did.
I hadn't been able to respond to it yet. That's okay. I can't remember everything I asked on it,
but, but yeah, if I could remember, I'd ask the questions now, but I can't remember.
If I could remember, I'd ask the questions now, but I can't remember.
Let me see. Oh, I remember one question and I thought that was the only question. So if you
have more than that, I'll have to be reminded that the question that I remember is what happens
or what, what were my thoughts on if somebody hears something from, from the Lord and they're
like, Oh, let me think of, of, of an example, like, cause I've been in that situation before
in a situation like this before where I thought that the Lord was saying that so-and-so was
supposed to do something with me. And, but that other person said no, and they felt from the Lord,
they weren't supposed to do it. And it was very confusing. And this is actually, I talk about this,
even though y'all didn't realize this is what I was talking about. It's the same principle
in the one called how to the purpose of goals in business or something like that.
I don't remember. It's like session nine or 10. Cause in that specifically, I was talking about
goals and the fact that we should have a goal that the whole point of the goal is to give us
a direction, but that whether it's a dream or a vision that God's given us is, is that it's
to give us a direction, but we're supposed to let go of the goal or the vision or the dream,
because what we don't realize is, and I, and I just mentioned this maybe once, possibly twice
in the, in the video. So it may have been missed, but the idea that we, we have a tendency to think,
Oh, well, God is saying X and therefore it's going to look like X, Y, and Z or, or whatever.
And we don't realize all of these assumptions that sometimes we put on what God is saying that
we're like, Oh, well, it's so very obvious. And so very clear. This is what God's saying when we
don't realize that actually he just said one thing and that we've made a whole lot of assumptions
that we don't understand that we don't realize we're assuming. And, and so we think, well,
actually God said this and really when it actually comes to pass God, what God said really did
happen, but it looked very different from what it is that we had assumed. And so that's.
what I've noticed when I've been in situations like what you were asking me about, you know,
what if someone thinks one thing of that and someone else gets, you know, feel that they
hear something from the Lord, especially about someone else, but then the other person hears a
no, you know, or yes, or, you know, whatever. In other words, the opposite. So I've discovered
that whenever I feel that the Lord is telling me something, especially when it involves someone
else is to just take it very loosely and to just realize, okay, well, I, God is just,
is just pushing me in that direction. So say for instance, that maybe if I wanted someone to be
involved in something with me, then, and I thought that, that God was telling them, Hey, I want so
and so to be involved with you. Well, the other person has free will and they get to choose.
And the other person, you know, has a relationship, the Lord, and then they hear the Lord,
but they think that the Lord wants them to do. So we really can't control how the other person
responds. We can just know, okay, well, God's pushing me in this direction, but that direction
might just have simply been to present the idea to the other person, or could be that the,
that something we associate with the other person, that that spirit of that thing is to be involved
in whatever it is that we're doing, but not so much that the other person themselves is going
to come in and do X, Y, and Z. And we don't realize at the time that we've made all these
assumptions because at the time we're just like, well, it's so obvious. This is obviously what God
said, but when it actually all plays out, we realize, okay, well, what God did say did come
to pass, but he was actually saying something very different than what all of the assumptions
that I'd made. And that's when I realized we've made assumptions there. We do. We have no idea
how many times that everything that we do in life, just not related to prayer. Like we're just like
doing something in the kitchen or, or doing something with a friend. We, because of our,
our experiences, we layer a lot of assumptions. We'll hear one thing. And then we have all of
these associations that we make with that thing based on experience, you know, our past, our
desires, whatever. And we, and we're so used to living like that. We don't realize it. So that
is a huge lesson that I've had to learn with the Lord is, um, is to how to let go when he gives
me something because I, to, to realize that just because he told me something doesn't mean I
understand what he said. Um, and so therefore I also have to rely on him for the interpretation.
And so I have to hold it very, very loosely, like, okay, he said this thing, but let's see how he's
going to do it. Let's see what it's actually going to look like. Cause if he said it, you know,
he says that, um, if you said X, Y, and Z is going to happen, then it will happen.
Um, all we can be in control of though, is our, our, um, uh, uh, is, is our side of the interaction,
but we don't know, um, uh, what the other person's going to do. God very rarely actually tells us
something that someone else is, or is not going to how they are, are not going to interact with
us and what it is they're going to choose to do for their lives and the decision they're going to
choose to make. Sometimes he does, I'm not saying he doesn't, but some, uh, he doesn't do it as often
as we think. So it's just something I've had to learn. So is that helpful? Yeah. So it's like
our own assumptions can sometimes get in the way and we, we just think that it's supposed to be a
certain way and we think we're hearing from God, but really it's not quite the way we think it
should be in the way we think it should be. Right. Like it, God might've given us something,
but it might be, we just might be interpreting it in our own way, but he might actually be saying
something a little different and we've just picked it up like that. Yeah. Yeah. Like if we,
if we're praying about something and then God brings somebody to mind, well, we, and then, um,
uh, then what we can do is we can think, Oh, it must mean that because I can't see how it would
mean anything else, but actually it can mean a whole lot of things that we just don't realize,
but our God is a lot more limitless than we, than we give him credit for. And that we're in,
in the world that we're used to interacting in, we're used to interacting in a lot of limitations.
And so think about all of our lives. I mean, we, none of us would have ever been able to plan out
any of any of our lives and what it is that we've lived through the amazing miracles that God's
brought us through. I mean, you think of the story of, uh, uh, that Carrie has shared with us about,
you know,
the journey of the Lord's taken on, taking her on with her house. I mean, she couldn't have,
when the Lord's given her a certain promises and whatever, she couldn't have predicted,
Oh, this is, these are all the steps we're going to go through to get there. So, um, we just,
we, uh, but at the time it feels like, I don't see how God could have meant anything other than X,
when he said such and such, right. We really have to, I just have to let him, you know,
carry the whole thing out. And, uh, I've had to have to live it out in a lot of areas and
I'm having to live it out in certain areas right now to where God will say something.
And I'm like, okay. So I don't really know what that means exactly. I could assume
because I don't see how it can mean anything other than X, Y, and Z, but you know, I've learned
enough by now, Lord to know that you take, uh, that you take a very different type of a journey
than I would have, than I would be able to plan or expect. And that the end result is,
you is, is usually colored different. And sometimes this is a totally different form
than I would have ever expected or have ever even seen before. So anyway.
No, that makes sense. No, that, thank you for that. That totally makes sense. And I appreciate
that. And the other thing I noticed that's coming up for me, well, there's a whole bunch of stuff
but one thing is I realized like, and I'll be really vulnerable. I realized that I struggle
when I've been vulnerable with somebody or I've kind of put myself out there a little bit and
I'm not getting anything back. So I'm pretty good about like being open and vulnerable, but
if I share something and somebody doesn't respond a certain way, or they don't, I don't know,
like, it's almost like I have this expectation that they're going to do these things because I
was open and I was vulnerable and I'm like, okay, they're going to respond or they're going to do
whatever. And then they don't, or they don't for a while or something. Right. And I noticed that
that's something that maybe I just noticed recently that I feel, and I don't really know.
I don't know. I don't know what I'm asking. I just noticed it. And I don't know really what
to do about it. That's kind of like, what, what is that all about? Is it a control thing? Is it a,
I just want to be like fed. So I get insecure because I've given over and I'm not getting back.
Like, I don't know what it is. Well, yeah. I mean, it's, it's the very reason why we don't
like being vulnerable is for this very reason is because we think that if we're vulnerable
and we don't get a particular thing back in the way that we, that we wanted or that we expected
or that we needed in order to that, then, then we feel that it's going to say something about us.
And, and we're taking those things. So it's all based on the meaning that we've attributed to
the response that they give us or whether or not they're responding or how long it's taken
to respond. We've, we've again, assumptions that we're making and beliefs that and meaning that
we've attached to, to the, you know, what, what's happening or not happening. Oh, well, if they're
not getting back, well, then it means this, or if they are getting back, well, then it means this.
And it doesn't necessarily mean any of those things because there's a lot of factors that
are involved. And especially when you're, when you're talking about relationships with other
people, that things just, I've discovered, oh my word, oh my word, repeatedly over and over and
over again, things don't mean the things that, that I have thought that they've meant in the
past. I have, and I'm just going to, I'm going to be, you know, vulnerable here. I've had people
that I've reached out to that I, and, and they have not responded either in the way that I wanted
them to, or as quickly as I wanted them to, or I don't know, whatever. And I thought, oh my good,
I started attributing all of these meanings to that. Oh, well, I just did not very important
to them. Or they just, because if I was important to them, they would respond faster or they would
have responded, or when they did respond, they would have responded in this way. And they didn't
respond that way or they responded to my, I don't know, whatever. And, and then come to, and come to
find out I was someone that they actually very highly valued in their life. And they proved it
by other things that they did, but their communic, but communication was not a big, strong point
with them. Or, and it wasn't very, that's not how they communicated.
care or whatever. And so I have attributed, it's like a love language, I've attributed certain
things to certain things that I, certain actions that I do, and so therefore I expect that other
people, me not being able to hear what other people think, I just watch their actions and then
assume that certain actions that they do mean the things that it would mean if I did those actions,
and it's just not true. They have different meanings associated with them. So it is,
it's all based on, we all try to interpret everybody else based on how it is we would act
and what we would mean if we were doing that and we can't burden, here's a really big thing,
we cannot burden other people. How do I do this? There's a friend that I've talked to about this
and where I told them, I said, oh yeah, that's how I worded it. I said, I'm not going to,
I was going through a relationship issue with a friend of mine and I told them, I said, I just
want you to know that I promise and I commit to you that I'm not going to hold you emotionally
responsible for what certain, for certain things that they were doing in their interactions with
me. And by that, what I meant was that I was not going to hold them, that my, I wasn't going to
hold them responsible in my own emotions for acting or interacting with me in a particular way
because as if, because then I was attributing certain meanings to them that they did not mean.
So I was trying to hold them, that I was trying to honor my relationship with them and the fact
that I wanted them to communicate with me and not just, it wasn't just verbal or written,
it was just kind of like the way that they interacted with me. For them to interact with
me according to who it is that they were and I told them I'm receiving you for who it is that you
are. And I, but I had to have an open conversation with them to ask, you know, ask them some questions
about some things in order to understand what they were communicating and how they were doing it. And
I just told them, Hey, look, you know what? I would do it a different way, but I, but I choose
you as my friend and I choose to receive you for who it is that you are. And you get to communicate
with me again, interaction. It wasn't like written or verbal or something. It was just, you know,
interaction. You get to interact with me in the way that you desire to. And I will not hold you
emotionally responsible for meaning something else than what I know you are trying to mean when
you do that thing. I won't hold your, I won't, I won't force you to force you in to trying to
learn my language in order to interact with me. I give you permission to be who you are and I
will choose to receive. And I, and I told them I, this is that I commit to you that I will receive
whatever it is that you give me in the way that you mean it, as opposed to forcing my meaning on
your actions. But anyway, so I just thought of that just now. And when you were asking that
question, that's something that I did in my relationship, but that was, that was, that was a
very serious relationship. And I was, and I'm very close with that person. And so therefore it was
one of those questions at one of those times that I had a very open, frank conversation with them,
but I don't, with most people I know, I don't even do that with most of my family members,
you know, but I have had to learn. I've had to learn who people are and just let them be who it
is that they are and just take whatever it is that they give me, as opposed to constantly trying to
figure them, figure them out and, and assume that they're meaning something. Because it's guesswork.
It is trying to learn a language without a dictionary and, and without asking them what
it is that they're meaning. And it's just, so, but that's, that was, that's just my personal choice.
But yeah, it does all come back to the fact that we're attributing our own
meanings and causing someone else emotionally to be burdened on, of our interpretation based
on our interpretation, which I know I did not grammatically say that correctly, but hopefully.
And I think, I think that's the big thing for me is like, I don't feel like I'm important.
Like I sent, I sent a really vulnerable message to my music director with a song because she's
been coaching me a little bit with my singing. Right. And I have another vocal instructor,
but she gives me feedback as far as the sound that we want at our church.
And I sent her a song like last Monday.
Finally, this Tuesday, I messaged her again, and she knows how much I want feedback, and she's
super willing to give it to me, and she's the music director, right? So Tuesday, I text her,
and I'm like, hey, are you still open to giving me feedback? I haven't heard from you.
And she said, yeah, I read your message, and I got distracted, and other things came in,
and I forgot. And I'm like, OK, so on one hand, I get that. But on the other hand, I'm like,
it's been over a week. And then she said, I'm going to get to it ASAP. Well, now it's been,
now it's Thursday night. So it's like, she's still not getting to it. And it's, this is a
really important topic, because there's been a lot of history between her and I around this
particular topic. And we came to a really strong agreement, yet she doesn't seem committed. She's
a week and a half, two weeks before she's responding to a song that's four to five
minutes long that she could listen to. And it's like, I'm definitely making it mean I'm not
important. She doesn't care to actually put the effort in to do this. She's got other priorities.
And all of that might be true, but it kind of makes me feel like, first of all, unimportant,
and second of all, like, and there's a history with why am I a part of this team in other ways,
like there's a bit of stuff there without going into it. And I love being a part of that team.
But there's other stuff going on that makes me wonder. And the fact that she's not responding
and trying to help where she said she wanted to, and she was like, all in. And now I feel like
she's not. And I don't want to bug her. I don't want to text her again about it. But and this
is not just an isolated incident. Like I have this pattern. And I've had this pattern for a
long time with if somebody doesn't respond, I feel like they don't care. I feel like I'm not
important to them. And that's my default. And I know that's not necessarily the truth. But I don't
know what to do when I'm in these situations where it's almost like it's a it's not a nice word to
use, but it's almost like expected that they're going to get back to you. Because it's like,
if my husband didn't text me back for like, you know, three days, and he was on vacation,
it's kind of like, I expect that he's going to get back to me. So if he doesn't, I definitely
make it mean those things. So what do we do? If we've talked to a person about it, if they've
told us their side of the story, but they're still not responding, and it's like hurting us, you know?
Yeah, yeah, you actually mentioned a very, very important word, and that is expectation. So I had
to learn this as well. It was very, very hard. And in fact, I remember when I was first introduced
to it, I was in college. And I was going through a very, very hurt situation. And my mom mentioned
something like, well, Ashley, you know, you are I remember talking to her on the phone. And I think
I was probably crying. I don't know. I was just like, I just don't feel important. And she said,
well, actually, you can't hold other people to your expectations. And I was just like,
that makes no sense. Because I'm like, isn't this part of human interaction is having expectations.
But over time, I have worked on it. In other words, I've processed through it. And I've
especially processed through it, interestingly, in with communication with other people.
We're all do the same thing. I'll text people, you know, and they won't it'll take a while to
get back to me. And I'm just like, I'm just not important or whatever. But I, and what,
what I did in order to heal, because I noticed this is I had to,
um, okay, I'm trying to try to think of the words to use for it, because it was a very
interesting transition that I made. I began to, and I mentioned this just while ago,
I began to just receive them for who it is that for receive whatever aspect of themselves that
they chose to give me. And yes, I've been through, I've been through, I've used this in relationships
that were extremely important to me, not a little bit. No, we're talking very, very extreme.
Like, and like I was, I don't remember if I would cry, like, because they weren't getting
back to me or nothing or something. I don't remember bidding, but we're talking extremely
important. So I'm not, I'm not blowing off this question, like, yeah, this is a little thing.
No, I'm very aware of how big it is, you know, emotionally. And, and so the Lord took me through
this time where I chose, okay. And I'm just going to use text message, for example, because that's
one of the ways that the Lord was teaching me. It was like a text message.
or Facebook messages, whatever they were. And I would just send off a Facebook message
and I would just be like, okay, what I'm doing in my interaction with him is I am choosing
again, all everything from a place of rest. That's what we always talk about is that I
am who God says that I am. He is who he says that he is. And that's, what's important.
That's my anchor. That is what I, um, I get all of my affirmation from that is my identity.
Everything else is just me interacting, um, is just me and the Lord, just dancing through
life, interacting with their people, but I don't need them and rely on them because I'm
not threatened if they're not there. And if they don't give me what it is that I want
because they can't give it to me, even if they were to act the way that they, that I
desire them to. So therefore I'm my relationships and my choice of interacting in my relationships,
my choices of who I, who I relate to as well as how I, how I relate to them. That is that
I'm free. Now I'm free in my relationships, um, because I no longer am held to obligation
and I no longer hold them emotionally in my mind, obligated to anything. It's just free.
So therefore I freely give, and then I choose to just freely receive whatever they give
to me. And that means that what's going to happen is involuntary, uh, uh, subconsciously,
it will sometimes consciously, but a lot of times subconsciously we'll end up adjusting
how it is that we interact with them because is if, if it's not even if we're, if we're
being more vulnerable or if we're giving more and, and, and, uh, and, uh, communicating
with them more than they're communicating with us, for instance, and I'm just using
as an example, or that we communicate with them more often than they do with us, whatever.
Then, um, uh, then we just, we end up because we don't need them now because we're choosing
to get our identity in the Lord and our affirmation, all of that. Then we're just like,
okay, well, I'll, I'll either continue to freely give to them without expecting them to return
because everything that we give to someone else needs to be without expectation of a return.
Which is really hard to do, by the way, I'm fully aware of that. And, uh, we just really
give it like, Hey, I am freely giving, because when we're communicating to someone, especially
vulnerably, where there's an aspect of our heart that we're giving them, I'm sharing this with you.
And it's, it's very priceless. And I'm hoping that you will treat it as priceless. And if
they don't treat it in the way that we desire it to be treated. And, um, and it's not like
a one-off thing that eventually we're not going to want to share ourselves with that much with
that person. And so we'll start, we'll start pulling, uh, we'll not pulling it back, but
we'll stop. I'm sharing that vulnerably with them because simply they just don't value it
in the same way that we do. So we're not, it's not, um, it it's not an, uh, what's the word?
I thought of the word, but it escaped me just now. It's, um, it's like sharing in, okay. Say
for instance, it's like two people looking at a flower and you, and you, and you stopping by the
road and looking at this flower and you sharing the experience with someone. That's what it's
like when we're vulnerably giving our hearts to someone or sharing an aspect of the Lord,
something that he created. And we're wanting other people to delight in it as much as we do.
And if it's not being delighted in, in, in equal measure, we're going to realize, okay,
that person doesn't value the same kinds of things that I do. And we're going to just end up
stopping and sharing that much with them, or we can start sharing it with someone else.
Other people are not obligated to be our friends. They're not obligated to interact with us.
They're not obligated to be nice to us. Nobody's obligated to do anything. And so therefore we,
I just chose into my relationships to receive whatever it is that someone else wants to give me
of themselves and to receive it as then giving of themselves, their job in them interacting with me
is not telling me how much I mean to them and how important I am. No, they're giving of themselves to
me. So I'm like, okay, I will receive that. Whatever you choose to give me, I will receive
that for what it is. And therefore I then choose how I want to then respond to that,
to that kind of interaction. What do I want to give in return? And I can choose to or not choose
to whatever. But it's, it's just choosing to receive what someone wants to give us of them.
And then us then choosing what aspect of ourselves that we would like to share with someone to see
if they rejoice in value and well, yeah, rejoicing in value. It's, it's,
to the same extent that we do.
But it's important to release other people
from the obligation and expectation
that we have put onto the thing
that, well, you're obligated to respond like this,
or I expect you to respond like this.
Even if we don't say it,
if we think it in our minds, that's the problem.
And then why do we think they're obligated?
Why do we expect it?
Because we're pulling from them,
needing them because we're using them.
And people can feel it.
Even if other people can't articulate it,
people can feel it.
And usually, have you noticed that usually
if your friendship is chased,
I mean, like really, really, really chased,
even if you wanted it at first,
you suddenly don't want it,
people can feel, huh?
What's chased?
No, if you're being chased.
Oh, if you're being chased, okay.
Yeah, if you're, yeah, not the other chased.
But if you're being chased,
then some of that is nice.
But if you're being chased to a certain point
where, in other words,
you haven't had time to respond to them chasing you,
if you've had time to respond to them chasing you,
a lot of times people like the fact
that they're being chased and they respond favorably.
But if it's not equal,
if they're chasing faster than you've had time to respond,
people usually get very scared.
I've had, and, or when I say scared,
I don't mean necessarily horribly fearful.
I just mean like they,
it all of a sudden becomes very undesirable.
I've had friendships like that come up
within the past few months.
The where I'm just like, I don't know.
I was thinking about mine the other day
and I thought, you know, it is so interesting
that I'm now friends with so-and-so.
Yeah, and I thought, and I, and for a while there,
I wanted to be friends with them
until they started chasing me
and then I didn't want to be friends with them.
But then, so I pulled back a bit
and then it slowed everything down.
And when it slowed everything down
and the two of us got to be more of a cadence,
then I enjoyed it.
And so it was really interesting.
It was this interesting friendship that I now have
that is really sweet and real precious
and I very much enjoy it.
I was just thinking about it the other day.
I thought, you know,
that friendship's been something very interesting.
But it was someone that I met in another state
and anyways, it was very, very fun.
But point is that, yeah,
you mentioned a very important word, expectation,
that we should have that expectation.
And again, we're using other people
to get us to feel something
or believe something about ourselves,
yet affirm it in some way.
It's not that we don't enjoy the person, we do,
but we expect that whatever them interacting with us
in a particular way,
we're gonna take on that meaning,
it to mean something about us.
And if they don't do that,
well then we're taking on a negative meaning
and other people can't,
our relationships with other people
are an enslavement to us
if we use them as opposed to a freedom,
if we're using them to affirm us in a way that,
and identify us in a way that only God is supposed to.
It's actually a very enslaving relationship
as opposed to a freeing one without obligations.
Well, and like, I totally hear that
and it makes so much sense.
I think just like as you're talking,
I'm thinking, what about the people
that you really want in your life
or you're already tied to like your husband
or like for me, like my music director
who basically is the go-between
for me to be singing there, right?
As part of the church, right?
If she doesn't accept my singing,
then I don't get put on, right?
So I feel like in that, I'm like,
I really want her positive approval
and I really want,
like I really kind of have these expectations
on my husband, like, you know,
there's two-way street or certain friendships,
you know, certain friendships, definitely.
But I know what you're saying,
I guess it totally makes sense and I love it.
I'm just thinking like, what about when you are so,
you desire something so much
and you're desiring it more than God
and you want that feedback
or you want that person to respond and they're not
and you're just like kind of going crazy a little bit
because you really want them to.
And they're just not like, regardless of what it is,
it could be, you know, it could be intimacy,
it could be conversation, it could be anything.
Like, what do you do when they're just not responding
and there's someone that is actually really important to you.
you? Well, the nuts and bolts of it is that it's the same answer. It's just harder to do in those
situations. It's the same answer. It's kind of like, you know, rest in the fact that, you know,
I think it was, well, somebody mentioned in a, in a comment the other day, they said, Ashley,
it's amazing. You always give the exact same answer, no matter what question we come up with.
I'm like, I know it's the same answer, but that's why I have a coaching intensive because
I tell people is that I can explain all of this. I can explain rest and everything that person
needs to know about how to operate in rest and shift into rest in any area of their life.
I can say the entire thing in three sentences, but the, why do I have a coaching program with
50 plus hours of teaching? Because we don't understand how to, we struggle with actually
how to apply it. And so, so people ask me different questions that sound totally different
from one day to the next, but it's the same answer. And then, but I just explain it in such
a way that they can finally see how it actually applies to this specific situation. When they
thought, oh, well, surely it's going to be a different answer this time for my completely
different question yesterday. And it's like, no, it's the same answer. It's just, you know,
we're not, we're not making the connection. So it's the same thing here. It's the same answer.
It's just, it's just harder. And in the fact that God is, and so we're going to go back to an oldie,
but a goodie. God is responsible for the results, including, you know, the fact that, Hey, well,
I'm married to him, Lord, or, you know, in, or Lord, the only way to, for me to be on the worship
team is through this music teacher. God's responsible for results. And we keep trying
to, and we keep thinking I send things out of my control. So I have to control another person
or control how they respond to me in order to get the result. It's the same, same answer.
It's just comes in a bit of a different form. And we don't realize how this thing plays out
in every area. It's shocking levels, but it's always the same thing is I want a particular
result because I believe that that result is going to do something for me. It's going to mean
it means something, whatever. And I can't let go the control. And because if I do, then it won't
happen. And, and so then we pick between the tree of the knowledge of good and evil versus
tree of the knowledge of good and evil versus the tree of life. Same old story.
What are the, then what are the three sentences that you would say, like,
would encapsulate this, that you just keep kind of repeating in different ways?
Um, well, I'd have to, I'd have to think about him, but, uh, but, but basically the idea is, um,
that, that in that, um, I wouldn't say it exactly like this, but this is the general idea.
Cause I haven't ever, I haven't ever had to say it. I don't think in reasons. Well,
no, I think I have, I think I have anyway. So, but basically the fact that, that rest is, um,
is, um, that rest, you know, was an actual place in which we're choosing that God is, um,
is our source by, and he creates all of our results and, um, uh, that he wants to hold
himself responsible for all of other results in our lives. And we in, in, in the, our process of
doing that, you know, that place of rest is actually us just choosing to be sustained by
his character. So therefore, any question that we have in this group always goes back to that
thing. The fact that God desires us to choose, to be sustained by his character. And he's going to
create our, he wants to be responsible for the results after that. And the sustained by his
character, that what that means is that whenever we're coming up against something difficult,
we're choosing that God is who he says that he is. He's as good as the,
the is who he says that he is to the degree that he says that he is that.
And, um, not, and when there's a lot less to remember, I find when I'm in very difficult
situations, I don't have to sit there and psychologically analyze. Okay. So why am I
hurt? And what, what, uh, why am I responding this way and what triggered me? It's very,
very easy. I know that in some way I have accusation against God and, uh, either that
he's not loving or that he's not as loving as he says that he is, or that.
he's not good or he's not as good as he says he is or whatever. And that I just have to choose him,
not the man, not how he manifests, not his results, not his gifts, not his promises,
not what he does, but who he is. And then just like these other people, you know, that we've
been talking about, you know, holding it, having expectations that just like those that we've
been talking about those other people to allow God to be who he is and to manifest his character.
That's truly loving. Someone is fully accepting them to the point, whether it be God or your
husband or your music teacher or someone else or yourself fully expected. That's a really
big one. Actually, there we go. I just dropped that one. That was very important for all of us
that ourselves too, that we need to allow, um, the, these people, and we'll just talk specifically
about God, allow him to be who he is and to just receive him like that, as opposed to dictating,
okay, God, you're only loving if you do these things or if, or if this particular thing that
I want works out in this way. And we think that we've created these standards of judgment
from God himself. And God's like, no, that's the law. And while the law is holy.
And while I did create the law, I'm calling you to operate, you know, out of my character
and out of my character, everything that we do is always good, but it doesn't always look like
everything that you see from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, where it's where
that, um, according to this tree, you'd see certain things you say, oh, well, this is definitely good.
And this is definitely evil. Well, you in, um, in the tree of life, because it's a totally
different source. Um, we, we have to look at, um, we have to look at the inside. We have to look at,
at the spirit of it. That gives it life in the, in that, and, and, uh, the character,
not the manifestation of the character and our judgment of it. It's not that the man,
it's not that God would ever manifest anything wrong or evil. It's, it's what we have to be
careful of is what we, how we judge manifestations. That's the problem. Um, God is always going to
manifest everything good. Um, but the reason why we can't hold him to why we have to choose the
giver and not the gift is not that the gift is going to be bad. It's that we usually have
preconceived ideas about, about, um, uh, the look of the gift and whether or not, and then we judge
God according to the standard that we're holding that gift to, um, but Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego,
you know, Abednego said that, um, you know, even if he doesn't save us from the fire, we're still
not going to bow the knee to the golden image, meaning that they were going to choose that God
was still loving and good. They were going to still choose his character, not whether his
character of love and goodness decided to manifest itself as saving them from the fire or allowing
them to burn up. They're like, that doesn't determine whether or not God's good or loving.
And it's really easy for us to talk about a Bible story like that, where we're all just talking here
on zoom, but it's very serious. Um, the things that we go through, my goodness, Shadrach, Meshach and
Abednego could talk about that really. It could talk, it could say that when they were about to
be thrown in the fiery furnace, we can say that about, you know, our husband or, you know, our
finances or our business or our children or whatever. Yeah. And it's interesting because
the way we relate to God in that way is probably similar to the way we relate to people, right?
Because the way we do one thing is the way we do everything to some degree.
It is. So if we're not trusting God fully, we're probably not trusting people fully. If we don't
see God as, as good, we might have more fear around people too, right? And yeah, correct.
So if we don't look to God for our identity and validation from him,
we're kind of looking to other people for it, right? Like we're not. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Anyway, I know we're over time and, uh, your answer was good. It gives me some things to
think about. I think I'm just trying to figure out like what that would look like is really
dropping the expectations. Is it literally just like shifting into rest with that situation and
just surrendering to it? Uh, yeah, you're talking about it.
talking about the communication and all of that.
Yeah, like when you say, you know, you have to let go of the
expectations and just kind of like, believe that God is good
believe that God's gonna work it all out all of that. Is it when
you when you actually drop the expectations? Does that look
like shifting into rest and surrender and just being at
peace? Is that what it looks like not holding them
accountable is just being at peace and shifting into rest?
Yeah, it all goes back to Yeah, putting on our own oxygen mask
first between us and the Lord. And then everything else is
going to flow from there. So once we get our identity from
him, which can be like, we can shift into that in a moment, and
then operate from that place, then and then, and then if ever
we're triggered, and we shift out of it, well, then we just
choose it and sit back in. Because we're always there,
we're just choosing to come into alignment with it. That's what
I'm talking about, about shifting. It's not like we pop
in and out of it. But we're coming into alignment agreement
with it, or we start disagreeing with it. Yeah, nope, got to come
back into agreement with it. And so once we once we do that, then
it's going to naturally do all of these things that we've
talked about, we're going to naturally release someone else
from being obligated emotionally, release them from
from, from obligation. And, and so yeah, and releasing those
expectations. So in that is, is all of that letting go, is
choose is shifting interest, every time you let go, we're
shifting more and more interest, letting those expectations go
letting those obligations go, it's a lot harder, though, if
you don't put on your own oxygen mask first, if you try to do the
things before you get your identity in the Lord. And so I
recommend, you know, shifting your identity or that's what I
do, I shift into my identity of the Lord first. And then from
that place, release people from from what I've been doing, which
is releasing from the emotionally and release them
from obligation, emotionally releasing for them from
expectation. Yeah, it's a lot easier that way. The other way
is just kind of is using the little bit of using the tree of
the knowledge of good and evil, not exactly, but kind of, and
the fact that we're working for it, as opposed to it coming out
of who it is that we are.
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. How often would you say you're actually in
rest? Like when you're awake, would you say like 90% of the
time 70%? Like, are you in it a lot? Or do you find that you
come out of it? And you're like, Oh, my goodness, I'm not in
rest. And then you shift back in?
It's a, well, it's not necessarily shifted in. The
whole idea of shifting into rest is surrendering more and more
aspects of myself, my beliefs. And, you know, to the Lord, and
coming into alignment and agreement with who he is, and
who he says he is. So and then into what, to what degree I come
into alignment and agreement, I'm in rest in that particular
area and to that particular level. So it's not like, oh, I'm
just shifted into rest today. Or now I'm not shifted into rest or
I'm shifted into rest for, you know, in all of the areas of my
life, you know, in this moment, and then I'm shifted out. It's
not it's there's different, it's different areas of my life that
I'm shifted more and more into coming into agreement and
alignment with what it is that God says is actually true in
that area of my life. And to that degree, I'm able to receive
the benefits of rest from the Lord. So it's not like, oh,
well, I'm at rest 90% of the time or whatever. I can tell you
that I was visiting with a friend of mine, maybe two weeks
ago. And he said that he's noticed a huge difference in me
just in these past, I think, two months. And that's just within
two months. You know, that's not and that's not to mention, you
know, the past year, the past year and a half. Because I'm
just continually moving into new areas and into deeper levels in
old areas.
Yes, that's exactly Yeah. Yeah. That's what I think happening,
right? Like, because I was more at rest with my business, I felt
like that was good. And now it's like, I'm accessing these deeper
levels of old patterns. And it's, you know, now that I'm
aware of them, it's like wanting to shift into that place of rest
in those situations, which is hard. Like, I mean, it's not
hard, but it's hard to let go of programming that you've had for
so long, because you've believed it for so long. Yeah.
It's like really surrendering that to God.
Right.
And yeah, yeah.
Believe.
Yeah.
Good.
Well, it was good to get, just talk to everybody tonight.
I'm glad y'all came on.
It's good to see y'all and I will see y'all next week.
And then the week after that, we won't have a call.
So anyway, because it will, we're doing the conference.
So anyway, so hope y'all have a good night.
Okay.
Have a good night.
Have fun.
Bye.