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Let me share my screen if I can.

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I am good.

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I am good. Very good. Forgive the cough. People have had to listen to it all conference.

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It is getting better. I am very grateful.

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How is everybody doing?

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Good night.

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Good night. Of course. You are part of the group and part of the community.

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Hey, Sylvia.

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I am so excited to be able to get on.

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Our two new people in the group tonight are Tammy and Sylvia.

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They were here at the conference.

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Sylvia is a friend of Diane.

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Tammy is Natalie Lawson's mother.

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Good night.

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I am so excited.

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Good night.

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Good night.

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Good night.

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We do have new people in the group.

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I will mention the housekeeping rules.

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I sometimes forget to.

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This is a live Q&A for people to ask questions.

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If you have any questions, feel free to ask them.

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I will try to answer as many as I can.

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Just to be aware,

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when people are asking questions,

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they are asking me for my perspective on some things.

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I will try to answer as many as I can.

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I will try to answer as many as I can.

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I ask that people do not provide their feedback,

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their advice to someone.

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On either a post or on here,

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unless someone specifically asks for the group's input.

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I will try to answer as many as I can.

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I do that in order to provide people the opportunity

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to control their level of vulnerability.

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Vulnerability,

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especially in what we are learning here,

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is extremely important.

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It is vital to shift into rest.

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It is vital to shift into rest.

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If people have the opportunity to

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baby step themselves into it a bit,

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and not have to expose themselves

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and be vulnerable all the way at the beginning,

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they can just choose.

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They are more likely to shift faster that way.

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I will try to answer as many as I can.

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I will try to answer as many as I can.

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I do also have everyone's microphones

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muted

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when they are not talking.

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sometimes people do have background noise.

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on these recordings that there is feedback

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Even if you don't have background noise,

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for whoever's talking, that there's feedback

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from the other person's computer or phone,

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and then it creates an issue in the recording.

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So anyway, so if you have a question,

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you just unmute yourself, and then when it's about time

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for when someone's question and answer is wrapping up,

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and then I know that the next person has a question.

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The other thing is, if you want to mention,

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if you want to message something, excuse me,

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if you want to message something in the chat

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that you have a question, or if you have somewhere,

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I don't know how, somewhere on either the phone

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or on the computer, you can raise your hand.

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I don't know how, but some people have found it in there.

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So you can also do that because I am notified

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when someone raises their hand that they have a question,

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and then I'll know which next person to go to.

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So anyway, just FYI, how all of that works.

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So, oh, Sylvia, you found it.

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Do you have a question, or were you just testing it?

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You're just testing it?

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I don't even know where it is.

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Someone's gonna need to show me where it is.

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Hey, Linda, you're right down the road.

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We're feet apart.

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We're in spitting distance.

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So I'm in, I'm still at the conference center.

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I mean, meaning like the resort.

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So I'm still here at the lodge.

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Linda very kindly invited me to stay,

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which was a huge benefit, a huge gift,

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because I literally stayed in bed all day in my pajamas

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the day after the conference.

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And my sister will tell you that is not normal,

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even when I have the flu.

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So I was so tired.

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I was so tired.

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So, and even then I was trying to start getting back

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to people because people were still,

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were already emailing me or messaging me

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and about needing something after the conference

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or wanting to tell me a testimony or whatever.

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So I still have a list of people that even on Thursday

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that I'm still trying to get through.

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So I've been able to rest a bit

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and been able to start hearing some things

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from the Lord about,

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and already be able to feel in the spirit

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since I'm quiet and I don't have people around me

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into what else that he wants,

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where else that he and I might start going and moving

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and started to have some other ideas,

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which is very exciting.

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And it is, as I mentioned,

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God has graciously provided me with Linda's help.

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She connected me with some people

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and who were here at the conference

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who have very kindly chosen

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to offer to take Dawson for me,

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my little dog that I've had to,

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that the Lord has said I needed to find a new home for

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after nine years,

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because there are things that he wants me to do.

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I'm gonna start traveling internationally.

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I think I've mentioned that to y'all before

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and obviously taking a dog like that is a bit of a bit,

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there's a lot of red tape.

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And so he just said that I'm just moving

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and he's got new things that he wants us to do.

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And that meant that he just had another home for Dawson.

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And I honestly could not imagine picking a better home

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than the one that he dropped in my lap.

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It is abundance beyond measure.

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So I'm grateful for that and spending this time here,

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having this time here in Missouri,

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because these people live only an hour and a half away

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is giving me the opportunity

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to have like the best scenario possible,

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which is knowing where she's gonna go.

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Then I get to go drop her off at the home.

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So I get to actually see the environment that she'd be in.

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whenever I'm missing her or anything.

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And then it's also giving me an opportunity

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to process having to let her go.

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instead of kind of like the shock of like,

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only where she's gone or like dropping her off

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and then having to drive off.

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So, oh good, Alicia finally got in.

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So just all the way around, tremendous gift.

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Thank you, Linda.

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And it's even beyond what I'm talking,

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what I'm describing here.

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But she just offered it to me on Sunday

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and I was like, oh my word, that's a blessing.

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I didn't know where I was gonna go tomorrow,

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but I just knew I had to get out of Dodge.

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So this way I've been able to start healing

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from my allergies too.

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So anyway, so yes, I'm still here

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on the swinging couch in the lodge.

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Okay, hey Alicia, I'm glad you finally got in.

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Because you were saying you couldn't get in

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and I was like, I don't know, I just click on the list.

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There's something about, if you're the leader, log in,

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but then I finally noticed a little click down here,

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join as an attendee.

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I guess that's new.

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Yeah, OK, perfect.

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I'm glad you're here, yay.

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OK, so to start us out, does anyone have a question?

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Excuse me.

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Anyone have a question to start us out with?

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Maybe you watch the conference or attend to the conference,

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you have a question, or maybe you

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are running into something, understanding,

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trying to learn how to shift into rest into something new,

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and you're struggling in a particular area,

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you're wondering how to apply this,

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or you ran into your own resistance

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and didn't know how to fish past it,

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or how to recognize its resistance,

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or how to let it go.

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Does anyone have anything?

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April, yay, there you are.

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Alana's prompting me, say, come on, go, go, go.

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Because this is really going to be really awesome for her,

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and sometimes April just needs a little bit of a nudge.

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I really, OK.

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I've gotten to visit with April, and I just really enjoy her,

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and enjoy her and her perspective.

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And so I would imagine that she'd have a very good question.

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She does.

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Well, Alana, you can help me.

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Just tell me what I'm supposed to ask.

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So one of the things that Alana and I were talking about today

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was stepping into being something instead

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of trying to be something.

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I was wondering if you could speak to that, and how to,

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I don't know, for me, effort's so

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hard to be kind and gracious and forgiving.

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when I already have a preconceived story,

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or, oh my gosh, it's going to be so much efforting and hard

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work, and will the payoff be there for me

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if I can pull it off anyway?

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So I don't know if you need more information,

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but really, it's about just being those things instead

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of trying to be things.

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been talking to people a lot about this the past week

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or so, because I had private consultations with people

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while they were here in the conference,

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and I ended up having to address some of this,

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that there are things that we want to do.

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So whenever we're wanting to do it,

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and we don't understand why we're finding it so hard,

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hey, Tammy, I'm wondering why we're finding it all so hard.

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And the key, actually, is to first choose

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that there's no shame and no condemnation,

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because it says in Romans 8, 1, there

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is therefore now no condemnation for those

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who are in Christ Jesus.

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And we all say it, and we all tell ourselves

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and other people that, and we all just know that, oh,

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thankfully, that's how I came to the Lord,

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because there's no condemnation.

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But we don't understand that continues.

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That's our new existence, is there is no condemnation.

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The old man has died.

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The new man lives, and the new man has never sinned.

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The new man has never sinned because, let me pull this out.

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The new man has never sinned because the new man

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is born of spirit.

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So soul and body, right here, there you go.

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So we are spirit, our seed of our identity

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is in our spirit, even though we're also soul and body

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and it's all unified.

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was in the soul or the body, and it's subject to corruption.

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And it's not one with, and it wasn't one with Christ.

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Our spirit is one with Christ.

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we are everything that Christ is,

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and we're nothing that He's not.

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So there is no condemnation.

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This is our seed of our actual identity,

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and there's no condemnation.

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Down here, if we think that we are not one with Christ,

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and we don't think that there's no condemnation,

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it's like acting as if we think that our identity

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is in our soul, in the metaphysical,

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what we feel, what we think, et cetera,

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or that we're down here in our body.

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It's all about what's happening to me

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in my physical environment, the physical circumstances

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that I'm finding myself in, I'm subject to.

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So anyway, the very important thing is to understand

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that there truly is no condemnation, not just in.

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coming to Christ and being freed and being saved,

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but actually from that point forward,

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there's no condemnation because we're the new man

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and the new man has never sinned.

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So that is our starting point.

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And it's very important that whenever we approach

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a particular situation like, oh my goodness,

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I wonder how I'm gonna be able to do this.

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Am I gonna perform it to par?

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Am I gonna perform it to standards?

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Am I gonna be able to exemplify all the fruits

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of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience, whatever?

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Am I gonna be able to do it?

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we already are all those things

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because if we're one with Christ

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and we're everything that he is

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and we have the fruits of the spirit

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because we are spirit, the fruits of the spirit

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are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,

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faithfulness and steadfastness and self-control,

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we already are all those things.

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Those things are describing the new man.

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They're describing who we are.

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They're not a list of things that we're supposed

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to work hard for and try to become and try to act like.

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So the trying comes from an old habit

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of thinking that we're the old man,

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that we're subject to corruption,

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that everything requires exertion

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and that we're not new, that we're not a new creation

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and that we're actually still the old man.

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And so that's where all the trying comes in

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because the old man couldn't do it naturally.

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He wasn't it naturally, so he had to try.

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So what we have to do,

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which is what we have to do with everything,

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we have to choose that what God says is true.

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And he says that we're the new man.

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it's important that we first choose

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that there is no shame and no condemnation

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and that we already are everything

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that God says that we are.

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And from that place, we can actually be successful

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when we're trying to, I don't know,

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interact with our children

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or we're trying to interact with,

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we're trying to, I don't know,

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do, you know, interact with your spouse.

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Whatever situation you're going into,

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Dawsa, get in your bed.

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Sorry, get in your bed.

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Go on.

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It has to come, in order for it to be successful,

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in order for us to be able to act like that

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in those situations,

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we have to start from the position

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that we already are the thing.

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If we don't, and if we try to get there,

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uh-uh, get in your bed.

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Go on.

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Good girl.

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Up, up.

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Then if we start at it from a root of no shame,

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if we start it from a root of shame and condemnation

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that, oh, I'm not it already

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and I have to try to become it,

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then that's actually creating the very hindrance

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to us being able to do it.

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So if we can try,

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which is what we've been doing our whole lives,

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Dawsa, get in your bed,

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which is what we've been trying to do our whole lives,

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but as we all well know,

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we can hit the mark sometimes and not others.

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And when we do hit the mark,

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dadgum, we have to work 10 times harder.

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We have to work really, really hard to do it.

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And it takes a lot of work.

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It's exhausting.

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And then, yet we have to work hard to forgive.

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We have to work hard to be kind.

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We have to work hard to be loving,

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especially when we're trying to love the unlovable.

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But if we do it out of the spirit,

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choosing first, before we do anything,

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choosing first that whatever it is God says is true,

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then we actually have a platform

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on which to actually see it manifest in reality

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and actually be loving in the situation.

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Be patient because it's who we are,

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but we have to choose it first

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before we actually get to see it manifest.

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And by choosing the opposite,

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we'll see the opposite manifest

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because goodness, meaning like love,

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patience, the fruits of the spirit

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can't come from a root of shame and condemnation.

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Shame and condemnation has nothing but death

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to give to the situation.

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So just, is that a bit helpful?

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Dasa, Gaby, get in your bed.

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Go on.

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I want Alana to like rescue me, help me.

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But one of the things she was saying to me

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is like, I've been cutting down the tree,

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but I've got to dig up the root of it.

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And so that was like, that reminded me of that.

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And I'm just like, okay, well, how do you do that?

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Yeah.

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What Alana is talking about, and I am very sorry,

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just one second.

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Discipline, DASA, uh-uh, get in your bed.

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Thank you.

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Good girl, good girl.

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I'm gonna miss it.

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Okay, so.

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Okay, so for the root, she's absolutely right,

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because what, you know, cutting down the tree

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is that idea of working really hard for something.

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You're trying to do, because the root system

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is what nourishes and actually what the tree grows from.

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So if we compare it to, you know,

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what you're talking about in a situation,

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what's the actual fruit of the situation?

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What's growing from the root?

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That's the love that you're trying to get.

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That's the patience you're trying to have in the situation,

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you know, whatever.

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So if you're trying to actually deal with this symptom,

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but what is it all supposed to come from?

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It's supposed to come from the fact

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that you already are it,

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not that you're trying to look like you have it,

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or, you know, fake, I don't want to say fake it,

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but sort of kind of fake it.

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It is love and it is patience,

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but it's from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,

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meaning that we have to work hard for it.

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And when we operate from the tree of the knowledge

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of good and evil,

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it means that we believe that we're separated from the Lord.

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We're separated,

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means that we think we're separated from the Lord.

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We're not, but we think that we are.

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Being, and therefore God is our life source.

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And so if we're cutting off that life source

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and choosing instead to operate off of, okay,

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you know, off of my knowledge, okay,

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what do I know about the Bible?

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What do I know about this?

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What do I know about what it is I should be and should do?

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And in my past experience, how have I drummed up love?

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How have I drummed up patience?

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What are the ways that I've had to logically walk myself

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through this situation to trigger myself to love,

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to trigger myself to remember to endure and to be patient?

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It's a lot of work and all we're getting,

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because all we have to give to this situation

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is ourselves as a life source.

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And if we've cut ourselves off from our own life source,

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which is God, meaning that we think that we were separated.

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We're not ever separated.

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Nothing we can do can ever separate us.

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But if we think that we are,

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and we think we're pulling from our own strength,

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we have nothing to give it but death

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because we've internally cut ourselves off

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from the idea that we're connected to God,

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who's our life source,

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who enables love and patience to be effortless

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when it comes out of him.

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But when it's trying to come out of us

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and we're disconnecting ourselves from our father,

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it's really hard.

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So that's what she's referring to

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with the whole tree and the root.

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The root is the life source.

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And so we have to be in God.

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So the root of what it is that you're trying to pull from,

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what any of us are trying to pull from,

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if we aren't just being, but we're trying,

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the root of that is ourselves

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and that doesn't have any life.

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So everything's like 10 times harder to do from there.

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All of this is mentioned.

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I don't know how far that you've gotten in the videos,

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but what it is I'm talking about,

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I'd recommend going in order.

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But so wherever it is that you've gotten so far,

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the one that I just mentioned about the tree of life

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versus the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,

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that is in, what was it?

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Session five, I think.

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And then the one that I showed you

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about the new man and the old man,

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spirit, soul, and body,

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and the fact that our identity is in our spirit,

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and that's where we can just effortlessly be

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when we live from that place versus trying and doing

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if we think our identity is in our body and our soul,

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that's in session six.

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Then there's also another one,

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I don't remember if it's like session eight

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or session nine that is operating out of this,

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operating in the spirit,

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which is how you take those two sessions

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that I just talked about,

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and then how you actually operate like that,

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how you live just being instead of trying.

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So it goes into more depth.

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So I'm having to cover a lot of material

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that has tremendous amount of context somewhere else,

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and having to cover it really quickly.

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I'm trying to say it in a nutshell.

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So if it's confusing,

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know that there are resources for you to go to

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that will provide more clarity.

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But generally, is this,

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are you getting a sense of the direction?

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Is this at least making sense?

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Yeah, thank you.

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Okay, all right, good.

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You're welcome.

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Does someone have something else?

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I have a question.

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Yes.

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I don't know if this makes sense but is there.

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So, with someone who constantly struggles with being in and out of rest in and out.

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Is there something like a maintenance step if that makes sense of something like I'm thinking if I do the close your eyes and picture Jesus, if I do that more often or is there something that will help me stay on track and not get so sidetracked.

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Um, good question.

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Yes. So, really, everything goes back to us just choosing the Lord.

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Where we have chosen it's so we can learn how to shift in an interest.

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But if we're continuing to.

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And we'll improve.

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But if we're continuing to run into it over and over and over and over again.

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And what it's indicative of is the fact that while we can choose the Lord that we're not growing in intimacy with him.

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Because it's from that place from making ourselves more and more vulnerable with him choosing that we're safe with him, becoming more and more intimate with him, it's from that place that all of the other areas of our life.

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I mean that, I mean that our life in general will start shifting interest more and more and more and it becomes easier for us to choose.

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But understand that when you have chosen in the past, you did choose.

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And you're not having to learn that lesson over again. You're just having to, you're just being introduced to it at a deeper level.

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That same lesson so to speak that same that same opportunity that same invitation into greater measure of love and freedom at a deeper level.

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So be encouraged to know, but as far as how to stop bouncing back and forth so much and oscillating, especially quickly, you know like man I'm out of man I'm out and it's and it's and it's exhausting means you're constantly be triggered for out.

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So, um, the, the, like what you said it really does go back to the root of of exposing ourselves very vulnerably to the Lord, and continuing to invite invite.

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How would you put that just developing that relationship within where we're where we're choosing him more and more we're giving up more and more of ourselves we're exposing ourselves more and more.

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is the one you talked about the, you know, looking at Jesus and and and allowing him to love you.

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There are some other ways that I was talking to someone about recently that might help other people. It's the same thing that is the same exercise but it's a different way of doing it, it's learning how to be more vulnerable.

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Because that is under that that one that we talked about about looking at Jesus, that one.

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Get some people for instance can't see him. So they kind of get hung up on that part, and they needed me to explain, I came up with this.

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When people needed me to explain.

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what am I supposed to do.

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How, and so I had to figure out how to explain what that seeing him was triggering me, triggering in me, so that they can understand okay you need to put yourself in this type of position so I came up with another way that you can put yourself in this position.

513
00:28:52.000 --> 00:29:06.000
Really what it is we're doing is we're wanting to, we're needing to be more vulnerable with the Lord. Well, with vulnerability comes intimacy and in a true and there's just in with invulnerability is how we shift into rest.

514
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:15.000
So, how do we actually do this in a very solid way where we get ourselves back to our identity more and more in our relationship with the Lord as opposed to just simply.

515
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.000
Oh, in this one situation I'm shifting interest.

516
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:26.000
What I recommend is that you that a way that you can do this, I have done this myself.

517
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.000
And it works.

518
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:33.000
I did this actually just the other day that you lay down on the ground.

519
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:41.000
And, excuse me, lay down on the ground, spread eagle.

520
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.000
Because her legs are apart.

521
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:52.000
And so it's extremely vulnerable I mean it's invulnerable for a man to, but it's extremely invulnerable it makes a woman feel extremely vulnerable.

522
00:29:52.000 --> 00:30:00.000
And so, in your that position, and then you can close your eyes you know how before I talked about the fact that I would sit on the side of my bed and then I would invite Jesus to come sit on the side of my bed.

523
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:05.200
my bed and I, I'd imagine him looking, looking in the eyes and, and that's how I would do it.

524
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.200
So another way that I've done it is I lie on the ground, spread Eagle. So in other words,

525
00:30:09.200 --> 00:30:16.960
a very vulnerable position. And so I'm, my body is triggered, um, of, of feeling very vulnerable.

526
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:22.720
So it helps trigger me in my soul, you know, going up, starting down here, starting with the tool

527
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:28.240
down here to help me move up. If I'm having a hard time accessing this immediately start here,

528
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:32.640
which is something I can tangibly, um, uh, recognize and grab a hold of easier.

529
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:37.440
And then it'll help me shift up here. Um, um, anyway, um, and the same thing in the soul,

530
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:42.160
we have tools that we use in the soul, things like this in order to trigger us to shift up

531
00:30:42.160 --> 00:30:46.720
into our spirit. So that's what we're doing here. Um, anyway, so you do that.

532
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:53.200
And, uh, and then, and so you just lay there and you're, and you're triggered to feel very

533
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:59.200
vulnerable and you move that inside and allow that inside kind of like, think of like where it

534
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:04.800
is you feel especially vulnerable, like in exposing yourself to the Lord or where you feel particularly

535
00:31:04.800 --> 00:31:11.440
stressed when you feel stressed or where you feel, um, when the Lord talks to you and you feel

536
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:17.600
touched by the Lord, where do you feel it? I feel it here. Some people feel it in their stomach.

537
00:31:17.600 --> 00:31:23.360
I feel it here. So wherever it is that you feel it, kind of imagine this door that you

538
00:31:23.360 --> 00:31:27.520
have closed. And so when you're vulnerable and you're laying there before the Lord,

539
00:31:27.520 --> 00:31:35.280
and you're inviting him to come choose in your mind to, to open that door.

540
00:31:35.280 --> 00:31:40.560
And, and as weird as it might sound, I would recommend making it a double door to make it

541
00:31:40.560 --> 00:31:46.720
open in the middle for whatever reason, at first more vulnerable than doing this. Um, and, um,

542
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:57.440
so, um, uh, anyway, um, by the way, hi, Diane, good to see you. Um, uh, and no, no worries.

543
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:03.360
She just sent me a message privately. No worries. Uh, anyway, I would do that. That's what I did

544
00:32:03.360 --> 00:32:07.360
when I was doing this the other day. I just kind of like imagine this way. Cause, um,

545
00:32:07.360 --> 00:32:11.520
I didn't imagine a door, but I just felt myself just open up right here. Cause I thought, okay,

546
00:32:11.520 --> 00:32:16.160
how do I move into vulnerability? How do I expose myself more to the Lord? And I thought,

547
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:21.760
and I felt like this opening when I did. And so you can kind of imagine doors or whatever.

548
00:32:21.760 --> 00:32:29.600
And, uh, and then allow the Lord to allow the Lord to come in, allow him to, um, uh,

549
00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:35.040
cause you're exposing yourself to him when I'm talking about exposing yourself, by the way,

550
00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:42.720
I'm not referring to things like you need to be thinking of particular things like, well,

551
00:32:42.800 --> 00:32:49.280
it weighs like, and, and having to articulate it like, well, there's this trauma from my past.

552
00:32:49.280 --> 00:32:53.280
And I really, I really don't like thinking about it and it's really embarrassing and I feel very

553
00:32:53.280 --> 00:32:59.600
ashamed about it. And I don't want to expose that to the Lord, but I guess I better do that.

554
00:32:59.600 --> 00:33:05.120
I'm not talking about even articulating anything. If you need to articulate something to yourself

555
00:33:05.120 --> 00:33:10.160
and choose to expose that to the Lord, that's fine. If that's a tool that you want to use

556
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:15.200
and like, think about something in particular and expose that. That's great. Me, I don't,

557
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:22.560
I just, I just opened myself up and don't, and don't think because what you want to do,

558
00:33:22.560 --> 00:33:27.040
and this is especially more challenging for people who are very analytical and you think a lot,

559
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:33.680
you're trying to get yourself to stop, um, hindering yourself by thinking.

560
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:41.440
And so what's important is that you stop thinking and you start feeling your way through it.

561
00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:48.480
So you just expose yourself to the Lord, just allow him to come in and, um, uh, and, and,

562
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:57.680
and move into more, expose yourself more and more until, uh, you can start sometimes feeling a

563
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:04.880
resistance. So move into that and it'll feel good. It'll feel scary before you do it, but as you're

564
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.960
in it, when you're in it, there's an aspect in which it still feels scary, but it feels really,

565
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:14.639
really good at the same time. Then eventually you're can run into one of two things.

566
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:19.840
Either you just feel that, okay, you know, in whatever it is you're experiencing

567
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:25.040
in that vulnerability and that intimacy, that feeling good feeling that comes with it.

568
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:35.120
Then, um, you can just enjoy it. Just enjoy that with the Lord. Enjoy just, just, um, um,

569
00:34:35.120 --> 00:34:40.719
resting in it, just being in that and, um, and, and just enjoying the experience that you're

570
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:46.639
having with the Lord. And that will, that will teach you that God is that you're safe with the

571
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:52.880
Lord. Then, um, the next time you do this, as well as this time, if you want to, if you want to go

572
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:59.680
deeper, you can, and you just push deeper. You will expose yourself more and more until you feel

573
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:07.040
a wall, either a wall of I can't open myself up more and I don't know how, you know, like,

574
00:35:07.040 --> 00:35:10.640
well, I think I've given him everything. If you think you've given him everything you haven't,

575
00:35:10.640 --> 00:35:15.440
there's no, there's no end to it. Because he's ever expanding and we're in him and we're ever

576
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:21.680
expanding then, then you can't ever get to the end of what you can open yourself up to and be

577
00:35:21.680 --> 00:35:27.840
completely vulnerable. So you just, it's just more and more and more. But anyway, so the point is

578
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.880
that whenever you get to a threshold like that, you're going to run into resistance. And so go

579
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:38.160
through one of the tools that we talked about. If you can't just choose to be vulnerable and let it

580
00:35:38.160 --> 00:35:43.120
go and to release, if you need a tool to remind you of how to release something, or to kind of

581
00:35:43.120 --> 00:35:48.880
like help you like get a bit of leverage for your soul, go through one of those tools that I recommend

582
00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:53.600
or another tool. If you have another tool, you know, that has worked for you, that you have

583
00:35:53.600 --> 00:35:58.000
developed with the Lord, use that. You know, one of the whole things of like just telling yourself

584
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:06.720
stop or, you know, no shame and no condemnation or no judgment or choose or declare or whatever.

585
00:36:08.160 --> 00:36:13.520
I recommend doing one of those. Something that I do want to mention about the vulnerability and

586
00:36:13.520 --> 00:36:23.120
the intimacy and, and the fact that it can feel uncomfortable and painful as well as,

587
00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:31.920
and not painful as in like, he's hurting me or, and he's saying mean things to me, or he's making

588
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:37.040
me feel bad. Not like that, but just that, that the, the uncomfortableness that comes with being

589
00:36:37.040 --> 00:36:42.640
exposed. It's like, oh, you know, okay, I'm here and I'm trusting that this feels very exposed.

590
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:50.160
It's similar, but at the same time, it feels really good. I want us to draw connections between

591
00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:55.760
the things of the spirit and things that God has given us as types and shadows of on the earth.

592
00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:00.480
And remember that that is very similar to what physical intimacy and intercourse can feel like

593
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:06.720
between a man and a woman. It can feel good and uncomfortable at the same time. So God are, those

594
00:37:06.720 --> 00:37:12.640
are types and shadows of what it is, of what you can draw connections to, of what it is that you're

595
00:37:12.640 --> 00:37:17.920
experiencing with the Lord. And the fact that you're being very vulnerable and you're afraid

596
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:22.960
of doing it, but once you're in it, you're feeling and experiencing the intimacy of the

597
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:28.160
Lord that he's wanting to give you of himself. But at the same time, there's an aspect of,

598
00:37:28.160 --> 00:37:33.680
of still, of, of being very aware that you're vulnerable and it being unfamiliar

599
00:37:34.560 --> 00:37:40.800
to be that vulnerable and to experience that intimacy from the Lord. It's unfamiliar and it

600
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:47.600
can make us feel uncomfortable until we get used to it. And then we can turn it around and learn

601
00:37:47.600 --> 00:37:55.200
to actually enjoy it instead of feeling so uncomfortable while we're feeling good. So I

602
00:37:55.200 --> 00:38:01.280
just wanted to draw that, that connection in case it helps people that have experienced it in the

603
00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:07.440
physical and are, and are trying to, and are now moving into an unknown realm that you can't see

604
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:14.400
and feel and, and, and it's all happening. It's all happening in the spirit. I'm trying to draw

605
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:21.120
connections that maybe it'll help kind of ground it a little bit, but it is, is that helpful of,

606
00:38:21.120 --> 00:38:25.760
of an exercise? Cause you're right. You do just go all the way back to the basics of it.

607
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:34.880
Yes. I think that'll help. Okay. Does what time is it? Does anyone have

608
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:41.120
anything else, any other questions or anything?

609
00:38:41.120 --> 00:38:48.000
Let's see. Oh my word. Let's see. Yeah. Goodness. It's been a long time since we've had this many

610
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:57.120
people on here. So nice to see everybody. Our group is growing. I'm sorry. I'll just,

611
00:38:57.120 --> 00:39:06.320
I'll share real quick. I felt like today I was in a really great place of rest for the first time in

612
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:16.320
a while. And yeah, it was really good. And I, I lay, you know, I just lay on my bed and I turned everything off

613
00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:25.200
and I just spent some time with the Lord and it was really nice. And I want this feeling to last

614
00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:32.800
because I get these feelings. I feel like so peaceful and I can carry on. And then all of a sudden,

615
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:40.080
I can carry on. And then all of a sudden, without notice, I'll just dip down and everything will be

616
00:39:40.080 --> 00:39:46.640
awry. And I'm like, I'm like, I'm getting more consistent with it, but I'm like, how,

617
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:54.240
when we get into those situations that are just, we can tell that our soul is running us in those

618
00:39:54.240 --> 00:39:59.680
moments. And, you know, my heart and mind is like wanting what it wants. And it's not about the

619
00:39:59.680 --> 00:39:59.760
spirit.

620
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.120
it like and I know you've taught on this before and I'm super curious because I think it's just

621
00:40:05.120 --> 00:40:12.720
like right now it's really hitting me as to in those moments what's the best way to like I know

622
00:40:12.720 --> 00:40:18.640
we can stand there and say okay he's our protection our provision he is the one who's responsible for

623
00:40:18.640 --> 00:40:22.480
everything it's not about our way it's his way I know we can say all those things but what is

624
00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:28.640
what is the best way to really just shift into that place that we're so used to and we know the

625
00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:34.160
feeling but we're just having trouble accessing it you're talking about rest yeah that feeling

626
00:40:34.160 --> 00:40:40.480
or whatever and it's very good question glad to bring this up okay so um what we cannot do is

627
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:47.920
some odd times we experience a um you know that that um that feeling you know that place of rest

628
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:55.360
and and the feelings that come with it sorry let me plug in my phone and um what we can do

629
00:40:55.360 --> 00:41:04.080
is we can begin to rely on that um and rely on experience it as our evidence of okay I'm feeling

630
00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:10.480
this way therefore I'm I'm safe and therefore I'm okay and we can start relying on that instead of

631
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:17.200
God's word um and charismatics have really struggled with this um I can say it because I

632
00:41:17.200 --> 00:41:25.360
came from um that charismatic background um and that and charismatic have a tendency to do this

633
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:30.960
it's it's they believe that their emotions and how they feel and what it is that they're

634
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:41.040
experiencing is their proof and if they don't experience something then it's not real or it's

635
00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:49.120
not it's not valuable enough and it's not God and some and they don't they don't know that that's

636
00:41:49.120 --> 00:41:53.520
their theology sometimes people talk about it there are some people that talk about experiences

637
00:41:53.520 --> 00:41:57.920
as being very uh so important that oh my goodness if you're not experiencing it well then it's not

638
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:03.120
real but most people say oh no no it's not the experience you know you have to choose it whether

639
00:42:03.120 --> 00:42:09.600
or not you experience it but I have literally had people tell me um that Ashley I am just waiting

640
00:42:10.160 --> 00:42:16.160
I live I live for the next what was the word they used they said I live for the next um

641
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:21.040
I can't think of the word um I wish I could think of the word because it was very interesting the

642
00:42:21.040 --> 00:42:27.440
word choice that they had but basically the next mountaintop experience the next feeling of the

643
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:36.720
Lord then and um uh so the important thing is that even though we can have that and we can feel it

644
00:42:36.720 --> 00:42:45.760
and that's wonderful if uh it's not it's not us um if if we're if us not feeling that

645
00:42:46.640 --> 00:42:53.840
makes us feel concerned and unsettled then we have begun to rely too much on the feeling

646
00:42:54.400 --> 00:43:01.440
and it's important and then we can start using that with the Lord in our faith journey as the

647
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:08.880
proof that we're requiring of the Lord before we will um the uh that we're requiring of the

648
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:15.440
Lord to give us or for us to have in order for us to in order for us to shift or in order for

649
00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:21.920
us to make a choice and ultimately everything comes down to the fact that no matter what we

650
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:28.880
just choose we don't have to want to we don't have to believe we don't have to feel like it

651
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:37.200
there can be no proof nothing and it's just simply did God say and do I of my own will and

652
00:43:37.200 --> 00:43:45.040
intention choose that it's so that is what gives it the power to make it so that's what shifts us

653
00:43:45.040 --> 00:43:53.200
into rest to so that we can feel it is um is the fact that we choose it we have to choose everything

654
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:59.360
first before we can have it in the Lord everything the exception to that is when we're young in the

655
00:43:59.360 --> 00:44:04.800
Lord um in a particular area he will teach us like we do like we teach children and the fact

656
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:10.880
that he'll just like give it he'll like spoon feed us and teach us how to trust him um and then

657
00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:16.240
but once we're mature enough where we're like oh this is God's character God's like okay so now

658
00:44:16.240 --> 00:44:21.360
that you're mature enough for that now that I've like spoon-fed you all this way and created a

659
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:27.920
fake reality like we do with children a fake environment for them to learn something okay

660
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:35.440
now you've got it okay let's enter the real world and now just choose and um so it can even go as

661
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:43.200
deep as feeling and experiencing rest and starting to rely on that of like I like this feeling and

662
00:44:43.200 --> 00:44:51.280
therefore me feeling like this means is how I'm proving to myself and making myself feel calm

663
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:56.400
that I'm actually at rest and we have to choose that we are there

664
00:44:57.520 --> 00:44:59.840
and that we have that intimacy with the Lord.

665
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.000
and that we have a right to that sense of peace or whatever,

666
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:12.000
regardless of the experience that we're having at the moment.

667
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.000
Does that make sense?

668
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.000
Because this step goes to a very deep level.

669
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:24.000
We can even use rest and start using that as a formula

670
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:31.000
or start using it as the thing that we are wanting to demand of God.

671
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:37.000
You know, like whatever we're wanting God to reconcile himself to,

672
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.000
to give us before we'll da-da-da-da-da.

673
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.000
Whatever.

674
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:47.000
And so anyway, we can start using,

675
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.000
we can start applying all of the ways that we have a tendency to

676
00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.000
and habits to approach things.

677
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:58.000
And we can now just replace that with rest.

678
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.000
And so it's got this godly term and we think it's all okay,

679
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:05.000
but we're still operating so much out of that old mindset.

680
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.000
So anyway, does that make sense?

681
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:11.000
Yeah, it's great because I think I had,

682
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:14.000
I had been really focused on the feeling of it.

683
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:17.000
It's like, if I feel like I'm at rest, then I'm at rest.

684
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.000
Because I'm supposed to feel peaceful,

685
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:24.000
but it's really, it really comes down to that choice to just.

686
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:27.000
If you choose it, it's true.

687
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:28.000
Period.

688
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:30.000
Actually it's true whether or not you choose it,

689
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.000
but it manifests in your life when you choose it.

690
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:39.000
Not, not when you feel it, you get to feel it after you choose it.

691
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.000
Because remember what I talk about in the, in the journey to rest,

692
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.000
how it's proof belief choosing.

693
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.000
And then, and I'll God, baby spoon feeds us and he'll get this proof.

694
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.000
And then we believe it after we have an approved.

695
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:53.000
And then, and then you'll say, okay, now believe me.

696
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:56.000
And I want you to choose it and how he walks is that way.

697
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.000
And that now where he's just like, okay,

698
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.000
now that I've proven my character and prove why I'm a self-faithful.

699
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.000
Now just choose.

700
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.000
Now that you've chosen.

701
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.000
This is very, very important.

702
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.000
Now that you've chosen.

703
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:13.000
Then you are the thing like, this is God talking now that you've chosen.

704
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.000
Now you are.

705
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:19.000
He's saying you are partnering with me.

706
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.000
To create the proof.

707
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:26.000
To create that feeling. Remember God.

708
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:30.000
And giving us that word and us choosing to believe it allows it to

709
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:33.000
manifest in the feeling.

710
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:37.000
But, but when we're first starting to shift into rest,

711
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:40.000
We have to partner with him.

712
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:49.000
To, to see the manifestation.

713
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.000
But, and again, that the feeling now, everything from the Lord is,

714
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.000
is a, is a gift.

715
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:57.000
It's freely given freely received. We don't have to earn it.

716
00:47:57.000 --> 00:48:00.000
So our partnership with the Lord is not earning anything.

717
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.000
But we, he does, there is that engagement.

718
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:07.000
So he provides the word. It's the male, the male initiative.

719
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:09.000
Right.

720
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:11.000
We provide, we receive the female does nothing, but receive very

721
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.000
effortless, just receives it.

722
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:16.000
And in what she, what we do to receive it is God provides the word.

723
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:19.000
We believe that's how we choose to. That's how we,

724
00:48:19.000 --> 00:48:21.000
that's how we receive it.

725
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:22.000
Then that will,

726
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.000
Regardless of who initiates and regardless of who receives,

727
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:30.000
even the one who effortlessly receives both provide a seed.

728
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.000
If the female.

729
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.000
Receives the mail.

730
00:48:33.000 --> 00:48:35.000
You know, or, you know, what we think of as, as male, you know,

731
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.000
in the physical, but, you know, we receive God's word,

732
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:39.000
but we do not provide our own seed.

733
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:40.000
Nothing can manifest.

734
00:48:41.000 --> 00:48:43.000
Now it does when God's teaching us, remember, you know,

735
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:44.000
he's teaching us concepts.

736
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.000
He'll create a fake reality like we do for our children.

737
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.000
But then eventually he's like, okay,

738
00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:50.000
now you're mature enough to create reality.

739
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:59.000
So.

740
00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:01.000
Anyway, as we mature in how to shift into rest,

741
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:03.000
that's why we're noticing that things are changing.

742
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.000
We're noticing that things are changing in the way we feel.

743
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.000
We're noticing that things are changing in the way we feel.

744
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.000
We're noticing that things are changing in the way we feel.

745
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:11.000
We're noticing that things are changing in the way we feel.

746
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:13.000
We're noticing that things are changing in the way we feel.

747
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.000
So as we mature in how to shift into rest,

748
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.000
that's why we're noticing that things change like, well,

749
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.000
when I first started the rest intensive, you know, this,

750
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.000
this happened the first day and this happened the first time.

751
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.000
And as we go on, it changes because God's like, no, no, no.

752
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:24.000
Now you co-labor with me.

753
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:25.000
Now you've matured enough.

754
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:26.000
You're old enough.

755
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:29.000
As it says in Ezekiel 16, you're old enough for love.

756
00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:32.000
You're old enough for both you get for you to affect me and for me to

757
00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.000
affect you.

758
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.000
And then we get to plant that seed in the ground and let it.

759
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:37.000
Let it go. Right.

760
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:38.000
Yes.

761
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:39.000
Yeah.

762
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:40.000
That what we were.

763
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:41.000
Yeah.

764
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:51.000
We're talking about.

765
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:52.000
Yes.

766
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.000
And then we get to plant that seed in the ground and let it.

767
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.000
Let it go. Right.

768
00:49:56.000 --> 00:49:57.000
Yes.

769
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.000
Yeah.

770
00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:59.000
Yeah.

771
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:07.880
about when God gives us a seed and, and, you know, the two

772
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:12.760
seeds can join and, and it's fertilized. The woman's, the

773
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:17.800
woman's seed is fertilized. It sits in the womb for a

774
00:50:17.800 --> 00:50:21.880
gestation period. And just like a seed that's planted in the

775
00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:25.440
ground, Jesus talked about this, just like a seed that's planted

776
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:31.080
in the ground, our seed with the Lord dies. It doesn't just

777
00:50:31.120 --> 00:50:37.120
go into hibernation. Jesus said it dies. It has to die before.

778
00:50:37.160 --> 00:50:39.440
But remember, there's always resurrection on the other side

779
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:42.280
of death through Jesus finally, you know, because he removed

780
00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:44.360
the sting of death. So there's always resurrection on the other

781
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:47.360
side, but it does have to die is in it looks like there's no

782
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.000
hope. And it's all gone. I mean, like completely, it's not like,

783
00:50:51.040 --> 00:50:55.200
oh, well, it's quiet. And when are we going to be active? It

784
00:50:55.200 --> 00:50:59.400
looks like there's no hope. And that's what happens. And then in

785
00:50:59.400 --> 00:51:04.200
bed, just because that then God always has life after death. And

786
00:51:04.200 --> 00:51:09.520
so that whole death, letting go, God gives us the seed, you know,

787
00:51:09.560 --> 00:51:15.000
and gives us the seed. We're collaborating with him. The seed

788
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.000
starts and we and we're wondering, so why isn't anything

789
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.960
happening? gestation period, you know, in a in a woman, it's nine

790
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.800
months. And I don't know, I think it's like what in a in a

791
00:51:27.160 --> 00:51:30.560
in a fish or two, or something like that. It's like, I don't

792
00:51:30.560 --> 00:51:35.480
know, three days. And then and then an elephant's a year and a

793
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.920
half. I mean, just a station period, you know, it's just very

794
00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:40.600
different. And there's a gestation period with the Lord

795
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.760
while the thing is growing. And there's a certain part, a

796
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:48.160
certain point at which when that sprout starts creeping up, that

797
00:51:48.160 --> 00:51:51.000
he says, Okay, now I want you to start collaborating with me even

798
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:55.280
more. And the fact that you you help me water it, and you have

799
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:58.880
helped me make sure that it has access to sunlight, to sunlight,

800
00:51:59.160 --> 00:52:01.640
and you nurture it, and you nurture it and all of that, but

801
00:52:01.640 --> 00:52:06.640
you don't get to eat of the tree yet, because it's not mature. So

802
00:52:06.640 --> 00:52:10.480
God gives us a seed, but we there's a just there's death,

803
00:52:11.120 --> 00:52:14.640
then there's resurrection and gestation period before there's

804
00:52:14.640 --> 00:52:18.640
heart and in growth before there's harvest. So anyway, but

805
00:52:19.080 --> 00:52:21.440
so I'm thinking about the death part of it, because that's,

806
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:24.440
that's interesting, because I always thought, when you talked

807
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.480
about the hibernation, as much as I know, like about death of a

808
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.280
vision and stuff, but I always thought it was kind of like a

809
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:35.440
sort of mock death, because it doesn't really die, die, like

810
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.480
it's buried in the ground, but it doesn't really, like, even

811
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.520
when a man and a woman come together and create life, like

812
00:52:41.520 --> 00:52:44.440
it does, it doesn't have to die first, right? Or does it like,

813
00:52:44.640 --> 00:52:48.200
maybe I'm just scientifically not not quite there yet. But how

814
00:52:48.200 --> 00:52:50.800
does it? Where does it say in the Bible about that? And like,

815
00:52:51.080 --> 00:52:54.480
does it really die? Like, or is that just figurative language?

816
00:52:55.080 --> 00:53:00.960
And so it is figurative, but it's true at the same time. So

817
00:53:01.000 --> 00:53:05.320
death is, um, let me show you. Well, I don't know if I have it

818
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.440
written on here. I talked about it at the conference. And so

819
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:11.600
those who, you know, who watched it, you'll, you'll remember this

820
00:53:11.600 --> 00:53:17.080
part. This right here is death. Think of it. Everything down

821
00:53:17.080 --> 00:53:25.720
here. And think of it just like that. Sorry, is like the ocean,

822
00:53:25.760 --> 00:53:28.760
everything down here is in the ocean and everything up here is,

823
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:34.360
is the air in the sky. So this right here, that ocean line is

824
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:38.840
death. And really, there's in but we know that in an ocean

825
00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.720
line, all that is is where the water, there's the border

826
00:53:41.720 --> 00:53:45.040
between where the air and the water meet. There's no such

827
00:53:45.080 --> 00:53:48.640
separate thing from the ocean and the air that's called the

828
00:53:48.640 --> 00:53:53.200
waterline. It's not a place. It's not a thing. It's not a,

829
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:57.200
it's not, it's just not, it's not a space. It's just simply the

830
00:53:57.200 --> 00:54:02.360
transition between not being in water and now being in air. So

831
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:06.480
that's all that death is that we're talking about. And, and I

832
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.960
know that that's a, that is very confusing because it's not

833
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:16.280
accurate, which is why Jesus tried to avoid talking about is

834
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:20.600
saying the word death. He didn't like to acknowledge it because

835
00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:24.720
he was going to have victory over death. But the reason why

836
00:54:24.720 --> 00:54:27.520
we keep using it and, and remember that he removed the

837
00:54:27.520 --> 00:54:30.840
sting of death, meaning that death, what death meant is that

838
00:54:31.040 --> 00:54:34.440
there was something on the other side where there was lack. There

839
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:36.960
was, and then there's not anymore, you know, it's

840
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:40.800
existence and the non-existence, but that doesn't exist anymore

841
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:49.160
because when we go DASA stay, when we, when we go through a

842
00:54:49.160 --> 00:54:53.240
transition now, there's always life on the other side. But the

843
00:54:53.240 --> 00:54:56.920
reason I keep referring to death is the fact that there's so much

844
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:00.120
of that old man mindset that we still have.

845
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:13.000
That we're, it helps us understand what's going on. So that's the only reason why I use the word death and why Jesus use the word death. When you talked about the whole seed thing because normally he didn't like to talk about death.

846
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:19.000
Lazarus, he did not like to admit he didn't want to say the word that he was dead.

847
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:29.000
Remember, until they kept prompting him and he's like, fine, fine, he's dead because he's understands. Okay, that's just their language. It's the only way that they're able to grab the concept.

848
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:41.000
And so it's kind of like people, it's like talking in English, but then people only understand something in Greek and if English is in their site is their second language and they're not getting the English word, you use the Greek word.

849
00:55:41.000 --> 00:55:54.000
Okay, well, this isn't the real word, but hey, you know, here's the Greek word for you. It's that kind of a thing. It's a bit of the crossover that we're still in, in trying to get a new language for things that we haven't admitted and haven't

850
00:55:54.000 --> 00:56:04.000
walked in of the New Testament, sorry, the New Covenant. Well, it is the New Testament, but the New Covenant, and we're, and, but we're, we're so used to talking about the word death.

851
00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:17.000
So I use that because it helps us get the concepts that I'm talking about easier is in, is in there's a transition, a letting go and a release. That's all that death is, is the action of letting go.

852
00:56:18.000 --> 00:56:34.000
You're not going anywhere, and you're not in a place and you haven't died. It's simply that it's simply the transition between, between holding and not holding anymore. The movement between the holding and the not holding anymore is the, is that death.

853
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:47.000
It's like death to us in, in, in the soul and the body, because it's, there's pain involved, there's struggle. So that's why I use the word and that's why I believe personally that I think Jesus might have been using that word.

854
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:53.000
And so that's what that is. It's a, it's simply a reflection of a transition.

855
00:56:53.000 --> 00:57:03.000
And, and so, anyway, and the fact that things look like we like there's no hope.

856
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:12.000
We think as soon as we have a seed. As soon as there's conception that Oh, something's supposed to happen. No, not yet.

857
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:29.000
Not yet. And so, to us, how we respond is, it's like, it's like death it's like but God, you, you said it. And now are you are you retracting it, you know, is it, you know, you're the one who promised and so now you've taken it away.

858
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:39.000
You know, God gave the promise to Abraham and Isaac wasn't born for 10 more years. You know, it's just, it looks like a death that it but it's not.

859
00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:55.000
So and that's the thing about about about birth is that when she's when he's still in the, when the baby is still in the womb. It's not out yet, just because the baby has been conceived doesn't mean that you can have it out and hold it and all of that.

860
00:57:56.000 --> 00:58:07.000
And so it's as if it's, it's not it's not, it's not dead, obviously, but just kind of again, just those, those pictures that the word uses of things and is in hiding.

861
00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:17.000
It's in hiding, it's being protected. It's being, it's being woven together. There's a process that's going through. So that's what he talks about when he talks about the seed dying.

862
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:21.000
He doesn't mean that it like literally dies.

863
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:40.000
Yeah, it's being woven together and like as it's being woven together we get to let go of it and allow it to quote unquote die but because it looks like it's actually not going to happen God said it was going to happen and we got really excited.

864
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:43.000
And now it looks like it's not going to happen.

865
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:50.000
I mean, think of the faith that we would have to have back back you know in Bible times, if a woman's belly did not grow.

866
00:58:50.000 --> 00:59:05.000
When, when during the gestation period, and you didn't see anything. It's like, am I pregnant Am I not pregnant, and you wouldn't know for nine months, you know, and so it things can just kind of, again, these are all pictures God talks to us like we talked

867
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:23.000
to five year old children in Sunday school uses these crayon drawings, you know, and these and these ideas and these concepts to get us an idea that of something that we don't have a grid for in the spirit, until we can choose to let go of all of these

868
00:59:23.000 --> 00:59:39.000
pictures that he's given us, and you know that we thought, Oh, what it was. We God doesn't want us to get to be very rigid, and how we hold on to all of these that Oh well, it looks exactly like this and why isn't it looking exactly this guy guys like, No, it was a springboard.

869
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:53.000
It was a springboard to get you to trust me enough to finally let go of the picture and start to move into an unknown that this world can't picture for you.

870
00:59:53.000 --> 01:00:00.000
I want you to have more than what this than what this world will allow you to mentally and emotionally process and logically.

871
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.720
consume. That's why we have to get to this point in our spirit, where we just know things,

872
01:00:06.720 --> 01:00:10.800
and we don't can't even articulate it same thing with our identity can articulate our

873
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:17.200
identity by telling you what I know my identity. I move into that place in the Lord and I'm

874
01:00:17.200 --> 01:00:22.600
like, nobody can sway me from who I know I am, but I can't even articulate to myself

875
01:00:22.600 --> 01:00:29.480
who I am. I don't have a grid for it, you know, anyway. Hopefully that's helpful.

876
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:37.640
Mm hmm. Yes, very helpful. Thank you. You're welcome. And let me see. So it is time but

877
01:00:37.640 --> 01:00:54.080
does someone have another question before we go? So everyone good. Okay. And I guess

878
01:00:54.080 --> 01:00:59.400
that will be it. The only other thing is, and some people were not on here. And some

879
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:04.360
of the new people were on here when we when we started. And so just to let everybody know

880
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:09.560
how these live q&a's work is when you have a question, you can unmute yourself. Otherwise,

881
01:01:09.560 --> 01:01:17.240
I have everybody always muted, because feedback that can happen during the recording. And

882
01:01:17.240 --> 01:01:21.000
because like my voice or somebody else's voice will like go through the computer and then come

883
01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:28.440
back into their into go like through the speakers and then back into the microphone. So you can just

884
01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:33.320
unmute yourself if you have a question and or raise your hand or something, you know, raise

885
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:39.640
your hands like there's a like an emoji, raise your hands in there. Or, or you can like mention

886
01:01:39.640 --> 01:01:45.160
something in the chat that you have a question, you know, whatever. And then as far as, as like

887
01:01:45.160 --> 01:01:50.200
the interaction, and the this is a q&a, where people are asking me questions about what it is

888
01:01:50.200 --> 01:01:54.680
that that I believe about particular things that they questions that they have about about rest.

889
01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:02.520
So it's a it's not a collaborative effort where we're all just kind of offering, you know, all

890
01:02:02.520 --> 01:02:11.720
of our, all of our thoughts and ideas. I am very happy for people to, you know, to, to, you know,

891
01:02:11.720 --> 01:02:20.040
say hello, and whatever in the group. But as far as like, this is an actual q&a. And if people want

892
01:02:20.040 --> 01:02:24.520
other people's input, you know, beyond myself, because they are more than welcome to ask for

893
01:02:24.520 --> 01:02:32.520
that, they can do it in a post in the, in the, what do you call it in the group. And if people

894
01:02:32.520 --> 01:02:37.160
post, and so y'all may know this from looking at the announcements that if people mention

895
01:02:37.160 --> 01:02:41.640
in the in the question that it's specifically to me, like if they're addressing me specifically,

896
01:02:41.640 --> 01:02:45.880
then their question is just for me. And there, there's a vulnerability that they that they've

897
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:49.720
opened up to just be like, okay, this is hard enough for me to be vulnerable to like, tell

898
01:02:49.720 --> 01:02:56.040
everybody, this is my question. But I'll ask Ashley, but it's another level of vulnerability

899
01:02:56.040 --> 01:03:01.000
to open up to the whole group and say, Hey, I'm welcoming anybody's input, you would like to

900
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:06.600
like to give me feedback, they allow them to specifically ask for that if they are asking

901
01:03:06.600 --> 01:03:12.440
for everyone's input. Otherwise, I ask that people honor the fact that to not give each other advice,

902
01:03:13.160 --> 01:03:18.520
unless someone asks you for it. Otherwise, just encourage and uplift each other. And

903
01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:25.480
you can share your own stories and whatever. But please don't teach or advise each other,

904
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:31.080
unless you're being asked for it. So unless they're asking you for it. And that's just a

905
01:03:31.080 --> 01:03:36.440
measure to protect everyone and to let everyone feel safe enough to be as vulnerable as as y'all

906
01:03:36.440 --> 01:03:42.600
have very graciously chosen to be with all of us. So we appreciate that. So okay, if there

907
01:03:42.680 --> 01:03:48.600
are any more questions, I will see y'all next Thursday. So hope y'all all have a really good

908
01:03:48.600 --> 01:03:51.640
night. It was really good to see all of you. Bye