Thank you.
Hey there.
How are you.
Maybe we should start with prayer it's been one of those days. Wow.
Sorry.
But is everything going good.
Um, we're gonna say yes.
Just yeah, I've been well I've been working on my taxes trying to I kind of try to get them done. When you're self employed you know it's I have all these things to go through blah blah blah.
I like your cup. And anyway, my goal is always to try to get them done by the 15th of March.
Well that's not always but that's what it has been.
But I'm trying to do that and I get, you know, I get tons of real estate calls and then I've got a kind of a crazy closing tomorrow and we're just trying to figure out if this deals even for real.
And, but anyway, I won't go into all the details but it's been a little bit crazy.
I don't know how many calls with the title company and this girl in the bank and, and, and apparently. Anyway, apparently she lost her husband last year and she inherited some money.
And she's helping a new boyfriend by a flip property and, you know, we're beginning to wonder if she's even for real because we can't get ahold of the bank and the bank's most overnight money and blah blah blah blah blah and I think I finally got to talk to the bank
a while ago.
This is going to be so interesting Ashley. I know, I know people have tried to get me into it in the past I'm just like, thank you.
Yeah.
I said you have to have a heart and a grace for it. I know some people though, that love it. I mean love it and I think everybody should be in real estate because they just love it which is the way it should be, you know, what it is that they love to do
and that they can see something in it and then they're happy about they're willing to go through all of the navigating all of the red tape and all of the synchronicities and everything that's wonderful.
Yeah, it's not me. Yeah, right. Well, it's good that you it's good that you know what you're supposed to do and I love it too. It's just been a, it's been kind of a crazy year with a lot of my deals so I'm just, I've been, I've gotten my mentors praying with me
that these my deals will start being bathed in better but I realized a lot of my deals are for me to pray for my clients. Yeah, you know, and to pray them through and.
But it's been an interesting year.
Thank you for getting us together today and we just pray Lord for that you would just descend your rest and your peace and remind us Lord of who it is that we are and just help Karen Lord as she navigates through all of this that she would see
that she would orchestrate everything and create everything Lord with you from heaven for the benefit of her clients, and that testimony sword would come out of this for the people that her teammates and her and her clients would be able to see the impossible done in
Jesus's name.
Amen. Amen. Now on top of it my, my one nose was kind of, it's kind of running today every once in a great while I have this one sinus kind of bugging me so a little bit.
Oh yeah, and so I've got my, my handy dandy stuff my natural doctor gives me it's called up your nose.
It's, it's all natural.
Yeah, it is it's all it's all good stuff I have a natural doctor that sends me all kinds of goodies.
So I've been using it a lot today, and drinking lots of water and she even sent me some be pollen the other day.
Yeah.
So if you're low on energy so I took a little of that today because I'm to do so much and then all of a sudden I'm like, Oh gosh Ashley.
Because this this bank called me from Dallas I mean this girl has a private banker.
Oh well, I mean, I mean, not.
She's a private client or something so anyway I was on. Yeah, so they finally called me right around three o'clock. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah.
And, you know, just depends on like what kind of like the bank that you're with and what kind of, I don't know whatever so I've got one of those through my mom, and because my mom used to work for the bank she used to work for the president
of the bank. And so I got in on one of the employee family accounts.
you are assigned a, you're assigned to someone to, you know, that you can
personally call with all your stuff, which I have lived.
So, and it's not like any of my accounts as big as any of the people that they
deal with, but I'm thoroughly appreciative of that one person.
I can't always call if I ever have any issues.
And that is nice.
Yeah.
Now I've got her private banker's phone number.
Hope.
Yeah.
Hopefully this all goes well.
Yeah.
And she wants to buy some more properties.
And so, so how are you, what's been going, what's been going on?
Like, as far as like, remember where you were before the rest
intensive, how are you now?
Like, I don't know, internally between you and the Lord with sleep with, I
don't know, whatever, whatever's coming to mind.
Well, we'll start with, you know, it's all good, but we'll start with.
I have slept a little better.
Good.
Since we talked the last few nights, anyway, I've been, you know, trying to
get off social media and get a little reading and, and, uh, and take my little
supplements that helped me trying to flip my cortisol and I have been getting to
sleep a little earlier, not super early, but a little earlier and haven't been
waking up as much, so that's a win.
Yes.
And even through a conference, we had Cedar Creek this weekend.
And even through that, I was able to, I got home a little late, but
I still slept fairly good.
I was a little tired Sunday after three and a half days of conference,
but I took a little, that be pollen.
It did.
And, um, but I had, uh, and I had not, but, but, and I had, I was kind of
emotional though, kind of, I don't know what all rose up in me, but Ken
showed up at the conference.
I had told him about it, but I didn't, he said, well, I might think about coming.
And then his, his daughter talked him into coming cause she's,
she went to part of it.
And so I kind of, I don't know what it was.
It was really, I kind of responded kind of odd when I saw him.
Cause, cause this is what he, I mean, he shows up and then he doesn't, he, I'm
just going to stand back in the back here.
So he doesn't want to sit with me.
And so it was just a little odd.
And then, you know, with his decision-making the way he, you
know, is getting, he's getting better.
We're going to say he's getting better at, but you know, he, he
doesn't know if he's coming the next day and then, then he shows up.
And again, he just wanted to be in the other side in the back.
And, um, finally, you know, and it just makes me feel, I just felt a little
odd and I told him that I said, I feel a little awkward, I said, you know,
you show up and, you know, we're supposed to be in relationship.
We're supposed to, you know, you don't even really want to, I
don't know, it just feels weird.
So finally that night, I think it was, I went over and said, Hey,
can I sit down and eat with you?
You know, so I ate with him and it was fine.
I think a lot of it's in me, but he he's, I think he felt maybe this
was his first time back at Cedar Creek since we got married there.
Really?
Yeah.
He hasn't, he hasn't gone to any conferences.
And so I think he's a little self-conscious and stuff too.
And so finally I was just trying to say, he just needs, he needs time.
He needs to be alone.
And so I was trying to just be fine.
But then in the middle of, we were doing a sound bath with the bowls, his
daughter learned how to do those.
And I'm just Linda Ordway's daughter, Becky Jo.
Really?
Okay.
She, and they opened up life sounds dot life.
They opened up kind of a wellness center.
It's just beginning.
Yeah.
I heard that.
Okay.
Yeah.
So I made the mistake of laying down by the door and then people were
going in and out, in and out, in and out.
Lots of noise.
And, and Becky's kind of new at it.
It was kind of quiet as quiet, a lot quieter bowls than I'm used to.
And, uh, but next thing, you know, I just started having this, I started
feeling these emotions coming up and frustration and, and the word, well,
maybe, I mean, maybe, I mean, last time they were there and they did them.
I had this wonderful experience with like, I felt the seven
spirits were around me.
Um, but anyway, but this, then I felt like this sadness and the word betrayal.
And I mean, I finally had to get up and just go, right.
Cause I started crying.
So I'm crying.
So then I go up and I write and, uh, got through it.
And one of my good friends was at the conference.
So, um, I talked to her about it and she had some good little things to say.
And so I wrote them down and I had my little, you know, and I'm using my tools,
but, and I made it through it, but, um, it's interesting cause then, you know,
then Ken ended up hanging out with some of the guys there afterwards.
And he's hanging out some with Dwight who he he's never hung out a little bit.
And, um, but, um,
I finally shot him a text and then we were at a class together last night. That's a whole other
deal. But we talked, I asked if he might want to have dinner or do something tonight or tomorrow
night and he said sure. So I haven't talked to him about when or what or whatever. But
you know one thing about him is he's good about just saying oh
because I told him that class we were going to last night I said I've got to leave early
because I knew I'd see him there. I said I've got a prayer call and he said okay it's all good.
So anyway I think it's just some things in both of us some you know insecurities in both of us.
Yeah does that make sense? Oh yeah. Yeah and so you know because I don't sometimes I just kind
of I'm like I don't know where we're at. I don't know I don't know where he's at but he usually
comes back with you know it's all good and he'll come back with you know I love you. So
anyway so then it was funny because our class last night with Dale Shannon was supposed to
be an ascension class. Another girl was going through some really hard stuff. She just started
a new job and the other girl brought something up. So Dale said well I think this is a night
we're supposed to just um we're just supposed to have a teaching class and a healing class.
So it turned into we did a session on healing. It's about you know embracing your emotions and
then anyway so we hit we did a session on that and God just brought up some more stuff that
you know and I and she said what's one emotion that's coming up and it was betrayal and
so the Lord took me back to kind of when that started and then
you know we brought in the love of the Lord and released it to the Lord and so
so anyway and then it's just been a little bit of a
uh that's all been good. Then I got another word a while ago that my other closing
the appraisal came in low. So that's two low appraisals in a month. So now which
I'm just trusting the Lord it's going to work out for the good. Yeah yeah because he's good and
the last one was quite a stretch quite a long stretch but we got it to work out too. So
this one's going to work out too. So anyway um I don't know I'm just I'm uh
um it's it's all it's all good you know. I was telling somebody else last night I even mentioned
the tools that we learned you know and the rest intensive but I've talked quite a bit about the
rest intensive to people so that's that's good. Yeah so I do feel better that I feel like I have
more tools and I'm I'm um I found myself kind of praying in the spirit more and and um
so I feel like you know I felt a little awkward this weekend but I guess that's all
just part of it. Yeah yeah it is it's um unfortunately you know in going from point
a to point b we have to go through the process we have to walk there we don't just decide okay
I'm willing to be at point b and then boom there's that there's a process of walking through it so
because it's just um it because what it is what that process is that we're walking through is
either we're slowly building our faith we're slowly letting bits and pieces of it go more
and more as we move along or it what it get well I mean I say that or is the same thing it's just
the other side of the coin is what's also going on is really you know we're just healing is you
know God can we can um uh we can move into a particular truth about the Lord and about us
with him and stand in that faith and act on that faith but it's interesting that there's still an
aspect of healing that God takes us through um and that was something that I had to learn because
I didn't and and probably it's something that I need to kind of explain a bit more and um in the
whenever I um walk people through the rest intensive and my husband's really good about this
this is this is um a bit more of his uh I don't know his I don't want to say his more of his
calling than mine but um I don't know a bit more of of his natural emphasis when he visits with
people than mine and that is to to um walk people through the actual healing process of life um
I, you know, I walk people like with people while they're healing, but there's an aspect
of, um, and so I'm willing to kind of walk people through a time in which they're healing,
but there's an aspect of him that he really works very specifically on certain inner healing
modalities, you know, that really help people like whatever. So, um,
um, point is that our, our work kind of compliments one another and he, um, um, and, uh,
so, but it's a point point is that's an aspect of the rest intensive that people go through
is, is healing. You know, that's why a lot of people ask me, you know, is it normal to cry so
much? Um, and I was like, yes, that's very normal to cry because it's all in there. Even if we're
like, okay, I believe this now I'm stepping into faith in this. Now there's an aspect in which
we're, you know, there's still stuff down in there that needs to come up and out because it's
no longer in alignment with who we, who we are and what we're believing. So it needs to leave
and it doesn't just vaporize. Um, sometimes it tests with the Lord, kind of like people who
are touched by the Lord miraculously and no longer smoke and no longer do drugs.
And they don't go through any withdrawal. I mean, they're those miraculous transformations,
you know, just like what there is in like healing sometimes boom in a moment, boom, we're healed.
And then other times people go through a process just like they do in like trying to get off drugs
or whatever. We go through a process in our, in our healing of our emotions. That actually is the
process. It's like, it's down in there and it doesn't vaporize and it has to come up and out.
And so that coming up and out, you know, is, um, uh, comes to you very often the form of crying,
et cetera. So I had, um, I had one of the, uh, I had one of the ladies, um, in my original rest
intensive talk about the fact that she was just crying so much. She's like, Ashley,
I can't watch any of your videos without crying and crying and crying on earth is going on.
I've never considered myself to be a weeper, you know? And, uh, and so I said, well, it's all of
this stuff that is no longer in alignment with what it is you're trying to come in alignment with.
And it has to come up and out. So it's just, it's okay. If you cry, it means it's leaving,
you know, as long as you're not feeding on the feelings, then it's leaving. Well, it ended up,
uh, so she's like, oh, okay. So that helped her. It's helped some other people. And then there was
a lady, uh, another lady, um, that she recommended to me to the rest intensive. Um, and so eventually
this lady joined the rest intensive and she experienced the same thing. And so she called
her friend who'd recommended her to the rest intensive and said, I am crying all the time.
Is this normal? So my friend said, yes, it's very normal. It's the process. So point is that it's
just that, uh, what it is that you and Ken are going through is y'all are y'all are trying to
navigate and like step, you know, and, and move forward and heal and, and make progress and come
closer together and deal with all of y'all's personal individual wounds and hurts and stuff.
And so in the middle of all of that is the, I don't know where we are. I don't know how to act.
I don't know how to interact with you. I don't know how I'm feeling because everything in order
to shift from being like this, to being like this, like say for instance, that this is the way that
God wants us to be, but currently we're like this. Well, the process of doing this means all
of a sudden, everything in us is shifting. And then there's in, in everything, it just was like
shifting sand. So point is it means that something's going on. It means that y'all are moving.
It means that things are changing. So, you know, you just keep directing all of that shifting
towards this, as opposed towards this or anything or any other direction, you just want to keep
shifting it towards this. But other than that, as long as this is your direction, well, then yeah,
all of that shifting in you and all of that feeling of discombobulation is all just very
normal. It's part of everything. It's kind of like a detox. It feels worse before it feels better
because it means it's working. So, yeah. So I'm sorry. I know it's not fun. And we as adults
really don't like to feel like we don't know what's going on or why we're feeling this way.
You know, it's so hard to get to the point where we are more stable and we know what's going on.
And so for all of a sudden, for it to, um, for us to also not know what's going on or not know
why we're feeling a particular way, like we did when we were children, we felt out of control
is very dis, um,
was not disheartening, but it's very, I don't know, just
convobulating. It's very, you know, it feels very, feels very
weird, disconcerting. That's the word I was looking for. So
anyway, yeah, it's working. And the fact he that he came when he
didn't have to, and he came, you know, on your recommendation,
but he struggled like being with you because he's like, I don't
know what to do with me. I'm just gonna stand over there and
that he's still trying to develop, you know, do the hard
work of connecting with people, which is probably really hard,
because, because maybe he hasn't connected with a lot of these
people since y'all were separated. And so now all of
this, like, oh, my word, they all know, and those.
Well, yeah. And a lot of these were new people. So not even
very, not even a whole lot of people knew who knew we were
married. Just really a very small Yeah, because there was a
lot of new people at this conference. Okay. Yeah. So, huh,
I said, it's so interesting. Yeah, yeah. So but yeah, that
was part of it, I think. And just him finding himself. It was
Dale Shannon said something I talked to her one day. Excuse
me, I think maybe the first day of the conference, and he wasn't
there because he worked that day. And she said, Well, he's
Ken's just got to find himself or he's fine, you know, and then
he ended up showing up that night. But yeah. Um, yeah, so.
So yeah, so that's, that's, that's part of it. And what you
told me last week, when we talked help to just knowing when
you described it more about, you know, the personality or that,
the, you know, what's going on with him, and that, you know,
that, that really, that's how because I've read that several
times now, you know, because you said, and try to shift to
the spirit. Now that does, that's the part I need help
with is trying to shift to the spirit. Talk to you say talk to
people that have this, you know, these issues of who they are and
try to see them capable and strong. So I'm trying to, you
know, it's taken a little while to even digest this, you know,
yeah, see them who God says they are, you know? Yeah, because
that hit so much on the right on the money when you said, you
know, they think they fall short, no commitment. So there's
nothing to fail. You know, defending low self esteem, don't
want to be pinned down and committed, spontaneous, act
confident, victim mentality. So if it doesn't happen, they're
not responsible. And it's all lies, they weren't confirmed.
And that's, you know, something sporadic, not a sure footing
because of the sporadic response. And I think that was
probably his mom, but knowing this, they're protecting
themselves. Yeah, so, you know, so keep it simple. I think you
said that too. So I've read this quite a bit and, you know, try
to just but still, you know, it's processing this. And, you
know, I still when I saw his daughter to who were pretty
close, but she's like, something and I said something
to her, I'm like, well, I don't really know where Ken's at, I
get, you know, and, and, you know, I said something kind of
popped out of me that really, I mean, I guess that's how I felt
my heart. But and I said, you know, I shouldn't even have said
anything, because she does, she doesn't care. But then then
she's always and she's when he talked him into coming, and
she's growing. And she saw us too. And we're kind of standing
apart from each other a little bit. And she can she comes over
and kind of goes like this, trying to push us together. And,
and, you know, she's here, bless her heart. She's a, she really
likes me. And she, you know, and she doesn't understand what all
her dad's going through. Although, yeah, you know,
she's, she, she does have some wisdom, though, because a couple
of times she just said, even she just said, I just see you both
have wounds. And you know, God's working on both of you, you
know. And she said with Ken, Karen, I think you're just going
to have to be patient, because it's a timing thing with him.
Because he, you know, and so I think she's got some wisdom.
Okay, no, because he, yeah, she does. Yeah, yeah. So I mean,
there's no, I don't have that connection. Yeah, we do. We have
a good connection. But there's moments where my, my mind will
just kind of go, you know, should I just let this go?
Should I you know, it's got, you know, but it's like God. God
just Yeah, yeah, you let him go to the Lord, but you but I
still want you to, you know, I still and Dale Shannon reminds
me too, that God's healing me through this. So yeah, bringing
out that it's bringing out all the things in me that have to
come out.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And all that. That's hard. I'm sorry.
Yeah.
Yes. Reveals ourselves. Yeah. And the other thing that came up too is that last night was the one
thing that, because I took on taking care of my mom when I was young because she had mental illness
and so I took that on. I think I've taken on taking care of other people, excuse me, and you
kind of that codependency and through the years. And so that's another thing
that I'm working out of and letting that go. Yeah. And so in a way, and Ken kind of fit that
bill in a way looking at the back, he'd lost his wife. We were already friends. I had met his wife
and him first and then, and there was something sometimes when you meet somebody, there was just
something about him that I, and we would, we even went over and prayed with him and his wife,
roommate and I went over and prayed with him and Paula at their property, because they were trying
to figure out what to do. They knew they wanted to maybe move and get out of that County, blah,
blah, blah. So I knew him some, not real well, but then I ran into him and he said he had tried
to call me when Paula passed, but I didn't get the call somehow. And I ran into him a couple
of months later, but here he was, lost his wife and of course he was lonely and hurting.
And so sometimes I go, did I just take on taking care of him? So that's,
because I helped him out. I helped him get his house ready. I mean, it was kind of the perfect
scenario for him because he needed a realtor. And I mean, he needed some help with that house.
He really did. And, you know, and he was looking for a companion, you know, and so I just kind of
fit right in there at all those things he needed and helped him get his house ready. And then we
got married and, you know, so anyway, so, so yeah, I was just looking at that again last
night about taking on taking care of people. So, yeah. Yeah.
And so you were talking about needing help seeing, seeing, seeing someone from the spirit.
Is that right? Yeah. Okay. So in seeing someone from the spirit, the way that the only way we can
do that is if we see ourselves like that first. And the only way we can see ourselves like that
is to agree with God, who we are. Otherwise we're like, who, who is that? Where, where,
you know, who am I in the spirit? So what has God declared that we are? And, and so I always keep
very simple about stuff like that. Like, because God says that we're a lot of things that we haven't
even, that we don't even remember or in the Bible, or we've never noticed, or we've yet to discover
and it's yet to be revealed to us. So I, in moments when I'm just really needing it, I just need to,
it's very, it's very powerful. If I just keep everything very simple of what it is I'm supposed
to remember, or what it is that I have myself remember. And then I just intentionally make
a choice that it is reality. Not that I wish it that it were not, not conceptually like, well,
God said, no, I have to make that intentional decision. That is actually the world I choose,
that it's the world in which I exist, in which I am this being that God says that I am.
And the simplicity of it that I always choose to remember is the fact that he loves me
unconditionally, that he doesn't, that I'm unified with him and meaning like all of the,
everything that's implied in that. The fact that if I'm unified with him, that I'm always in
communion with him because I'm always touching him because he's always flowing through me.
And I'm flowing through him because remember, not only is Christ in it, not only are we in Christ,
but Christ is in us. And then the father and the father is in us. You know, it's just like crisis
and the father and the father is in Christ. Everything is, is two directional everything.
So it's not just him towards us and us towards him. It's both at the same time. And so it's
like extremely immersive.
It's like, you've got how many things. Oh, I don't even know how many things going on at one time.
I haven't counted them. You've got, uh, you've got the connection between the father and the
Holy spirit and the spirits of the Holy father. That's two. And then you've got the fathers of
the son and the son of the father. That's that's total of four and the spirit of this Holy spirit
and the spirit, you know, back to the son. If I said that right, son of spirits, first son,
and then that's six. And then you have us to that element. Now, yes, we're in Christ, but, um, you
know, so therefore Christ is an S and we're in Christ. And then God is God, the father's in
Christ and the Christ and the father. So anyway, point is we've got a lot of things going on.
That is more than a three stranded cord. That's like an eight, 10, 12 stranded cord. I mean,
that thing will not be broken. You've got so many different connections and everything is going
towards and exists inside of everything else. Um, so anyway, of course, though I am, uh, I'm not
meaning to speak out of turn. I'm not, I'm not, uh, it doesn't ever talk about God, the father
being in spirit and spirit being gone, the father. So, but my point is like, there's so much of the
in and out that everything that we do know that the spirit is one with Christ. I mean, sorry,
is one with that is one with God, the father in Christ and then vice versa. So it's like a part
of the Trinity. So my point is that it's very immersive. There's lots of, everything's going in
both directions. And, um, so point is that's where we are. So that gives us a tremendous
amount of security, no matter what's going on here on earth, no matter if we were to die,
it's like, oh, I'm really okay. Because just like, just like Paul says, you know, to live as Christ
and to die is gain because he's, his point is like, Hey, if that's truly who we are, then why
on earth do we feel so threatened by something that could happen here on earth, where we were
just to simply going to continue to exist the way that we do in heaven. We just will do it just
completely there in heaven. Instead of like our spirit is being the only thing in heaven, our
soul and our soul, and then eventually our body will be as well. So he was just like, you know,
to, to live as Christ, but to die is gain. We're actually gaining something that we, um, even more.
So the thing is, I just, that just kind of anchors me. It's kind of like, okay, that's who I am. I'm
solid. I'm secure. And it being in that place of union, I'm protected. I'm provided for remember
that in that place of union, we exist in an environment in which we're protected and provided
for. We were not protection and provision is not something that God sends to us or transacts to us
when we lack it. It's not a transaction. It's not something that gets moved to us. It's an,
it's an environment in which we exist. Think of it like the ambionic fluid in which a baby exists.
You know, it's, it's an, it's an environment that is created perfectly to be able to not just
protect the baby, but actually from what I understand in a manner of speaking, it feeds it.
I know that it gets fed through the umbilical cord, but there's something about the ambionic
fluid that I thought that it's, it gets some of its aspect of like, I don't know, nourishment or
something, you know, I don't remember, you know, what swallows ambionic fluid to the point where
sometimes it'll get hiccups, you know, so point, you know, when the baby gets hiccups, because it
swallowed, it swallowed some, some fluid and then it's in its diaphragm starts and starts
contracting. But anyway, my point is, is that if that, if I just remember that unconditional love
and I remember that union and then, and then all of the implications from that union, which is
everything, you know, that I described, I'm just, you just, it's like, then answers all my questions.
It's all I need to know. I'm perfectly safe. Everything's provided for, and I don't have to
have it expressed in a particular way here on earth in order for it to be provisioned or in
order for it to be protection. I already have it. It's a, it's a, it's an environment in which I
exist. And, and the thing is, if I'm at that place and I'm loved that much, who does that say that I
am? That is what tells me who I am is the fact that God, because we're identified by God,
we're carrying his DNA and he loves us unconditionally and unites us with himself
where we can't be separated. So that alone is all we need in order to get, in order to be solid in
our identity. It's not a, Oh, do I.
I like Mexican food, or what giftings do I have,
or anything like that, that's not our identity.
So obviously, if we identify ourselves as those things,
so if we start, you know, in other words,
my point is it's like, okay,
how do you see yourself in the spirit?
Well, it's, you kind of like wobble
if our sense of identity that we're always trying to,
you know, describe ourselves as,
has to do with things that sometimes we see
and sometimes we don't.
Well, sometimes I see myself operating
in this gift of the spirit, and sometimes I don't,
you know, but if, so in other words,
that comes and that goes.
And so what's important is that we always identify ourselves
with that which cannot change,
and that is his unconditional love and our union with him.
That is our identity.
The way I always think of identity is,
you probably remember, I'm just gonna remind you,
you know, since we're talking about the importance of this,
is the point at which our spirit is unified or touches
and combined with his spirit.
The point of union is our identity.
It's who we are when we're connected with God.
That is who we actually are.
It is us and our unique connection with the Lord.
So if we, that's all I remember
when I am trying to shift into who am I, I am spirit,
you know, because I can't see someone else like that
until I've seen me like that.
And who does God say that I am?
Well, he says, he loves me unconditionally.
He says, I'm unified with him.
That identifies me right there.
He says, I carry his DNA.
So whoever he is, whoever Christ is, that's who I am.
For as he is, so am I, you know?
So I just remember it very, very basically.
I'm just like, okay, the unconditional love and his union.
And then from that, I just remember,
and then I have to make an intentional choice though,
because remember, I'm not convincing myself.
I'm just simply reminding myself of something
that I then have to make a choice about.
I then have to make a decision about.
And remember that I think it's in the one that I,
it's in the lesson where I talk about one spirit,
you know, where we're one spirit with Christ.
And I talk about the fact that it,
our identity is the point at which we're united with Christ.
Remember that I always do that exercise
to remind myself of my identity.
I always tell Christ, okay, Christ,
I believe I came out of you.
And I believe I've been reinserted back into you.
And that I abide in you and you abide in me.
We abide in the father, the father abides in us.
And therefore I'm always about my father's business.
And that is in that session called one spirit.
But that's the exercise that I go through
to remind myself in a moment of who I am.
Who I am is the one that's united with Christ
and Christ is in me and I am in him.
And then we are in the father and the father's in us.
And that is who I am.
And that solidifies me.
It rises me up.
I suddenly remember, oh, I'm united with Christ.
And who is he?
He's a king.
He sits on the judgment seat.
All power and authority has been put under his feet.
Therefore, that's who I am and that's where I am.
And now that I've seen me like that,
I now present that to the world.
I now sit in that place.
And then I look at the other person,
just like figuratively,
whether it's like, you know,
whether they're right there
or if I'm just imagining them and I'm talking
because I'm wanting to talk to their soul
or their spirit or their body or whatever,
is I look at them from that place.
And the part of them that I focus on
is the part of them that's just like me, right where I am.
Seated in Christ, completely perfect,
never disconnected from God, unconditionally loved,
a ruler of creation, a king under the king of kings,
that kind of a thing.
And then I see them differently and that's who I talk to.
And then their soul or their body,
you know, the part that's like acting out,
the part that's not, that's acting on old wounds,
the part that's like creating issues
and talking to me the way that they are or whatever,
that part, I no longer feel threatened by
because I'm remembering I'm spirit.
I'm remembering I'm above that.
And then I now see that part of them,
that soul and that body that they think that they are,
is just afraid.
It's just the child of them that's just scared.
And doesn't, but it's not who they truly are, who they truly are, is that spirit that knows all things that has access to all wisdom and all knowledge and, and, and always believes their father always feels loved by their father that kind of thing.
So anyway, that's the whole process from start to finish, and that I go through is in order to actually see them the way that Christ sees them and talk to them like that.
Not talk to them in concept, talk to the real spirit, talk to the real soul and talk to the real body that exists out there, not the concept of them, the real thing, like, I don't know, like this frequency that's vibrating out there.
And I look at it and I'm talking directly to it so that the frequency and the vibration of the truth of heaven with which I'm speaking will, will, will with authority meet that other frequency out there, that vibration, that whatever, other, that soul or that body.
And then they'll understand and then they'll, they'll, they will recognize that a son of God is speaking to it.
And then it, and then it will have an opportunity to respond as opposed to us just talking to the concept of a soul out there and hoping that our words land in the right spot.
We want to be very, we want our, we want to shoot that arrow very true to that soul so that that soul hears a son of God, not, so therefore it's the difference between being very intentional and authoritative as a king and speaking a decree or a, or a, you know, an appeal versus wishful thinking.
You know, anyway, and that's what will change things.
Are you saying literally talking to them or you mean literally when they're not, they're kind of speaking to when they're not there.
Okay.
So how, so give me some examples.
Uh, what do you mean examples of like, like, if I were like, like, if I wanted to speak to Ken.
Yeah.
How would I,
I mean,
Yeah.
And so what I do is I just, I imagine, excuse me, somebody's soul out there.
I imagine, I don't know.
I'm just going to make up a person that I don't know, Angela.
So if I'm talking to Angela and I'm talking to, and I'm wanting to talk to her soul or her body or spirit, whatever, is I remind myself, I shift into that my spirit man.
And hopefully I'm already there, but, you know, so often we're not, because we're learning how to operate from there, you know, instead of operating from our solar body.
So I shift into that place.
And then I, uh, uh, and then I just, I think about the real Angela that exists in her real soul, not her body, not, okay.
Now, where is she?
She's probably, you know, I know she lives in Atlanta.
And I need to sit there and imagine her body.
And I don't do that for me, for me, the too many other distractions get in the way.
So I'm not trying to make this complicated.
If that works for you to imagine like that actual person's body, that's great.
For me, it's too distracting because, um, uh, I don't know.
I'm, uh, it just is.
I'm trying to get past their body and get to the soul or get to the spirit, like the real thing that exists out there.
And I have to imagine meaning like, not imagine as if it's not real, but meaning like I have to connect.
That's my, that's my point.
I have to connect with the fact that their spirit is a thing that really does exist out there somewhere.
I don't, I don't mean like it exists in the physical realm exists in spiritual realm, but it exists.
It's something I can pinpoint and say that you right there, same thing with the soul in the soul realm.
Okay.
That one right there, that is you, Angela.
And so I just, I just kind of imagine that I don't have a particular spot that it exists.
I'm just saying, I'm directing my internal intention towards the real soul of Angela that's out there.
And I talked to it, I talked to it as a kind King.
You know, it was the same way that I've talked about as talking to our own soul and body, but here's the difference.
We don't talk to other people's souls and bodies with the same authority that we speak to our own well.
We kind of do.
But my point is like, we don't have the same authority over someone
else that we do over ourselves.
We, we talk to them with the authority of a son of God who is
one with that person's spirit.
And so therefore being one with that spirit, there's a measure of authority
and the fact that we're also all one with Christ, and so therefore I'm
speaking in the authority of Christ.
I'm not speaking any white witchcraft, manipulative stuff
that has the title God on it.
And so therefore it makes whatever it is that I say, and I want for them
to be okay and to be like God approved.
No, no, no.
We're not, I'm not talking about anything manipulative or whatever.
I'm talking about declaring over them.
What God says about them is true and me urging them and, and inviting
the soul and the spirit to feel safe, just like we do with our own
soul and body talking to it so that it'll feel safe, you present who
it is, you are as a King and as a son of God to it, and it'll recognize
you and it'll recognize your authority.
It won't recognize it as having higher authority than its own spirit.
So what I always do is I always talk to it.
Like if I'm talking to a solar body and not the spirit, I'm
talking to the solar body.
I'll urge it to listen to its own spirit and to feel safe with its
own spirit because its own spirit is United with Christ.
And so with some spirit is always going to, um, is always going to be in alignment
with whatever God says is true and all that.
So that's what I do.
I encourage that and I encourage it to, to listen, to, uh, to listen to a son
of God and to know that, you know, what God's, what, that if they're hearing
things from me to receive it as the, you know, it's like to hear the protection
and the love of Christ and the warmth and the invitation, you know, and my
voice and all of that, so that it'll, it'll start trusting Christ.
I invited it to start trusting its own spirit, that kind of thing.
I don't ever interact with a soul or a body or even a spirit as if
I have any authority over it.
I speak with the authority of being able to convey a message of truth from Christ,
but not in any way, like I have any authority over it for it to listen to me and obey me.
It obeys Christ.
And I'm always urging it to do that.
I'm urging it to connect and to unite with its own spirit.
So it'll stop feeling so separated and isolated.
So that's how I do it.
That's the one difference between talking to somebody else's soul
and body versus our own.
Other than that, you can take the same thing that I say about talking to our
own soul and body and use that to talk to others as well.
Uh, the only difference is I always urge it to connect with its own spirit and
with Christ, not to obey me.
So.
Hmm.
Cause this is the first time I know this.
Yeah, it kind of does.
This is, this is kind of new to me.
So yeah, let's new to everybody.
I talked to, yeah, I just, I just started doing it and I was like, well, this makes
sense to me and it was working.
In fact, um, uh, that, um, I, uh, have even done it.
Um, and someone was healed because I talked to their soul.
They weren't even with me.
I've just got a, got a text or a call saying, Hey, can you pray for so-and-so
whatever?
And, um, and I spoke to the person's soul and I switched the person's body.
They weren't anywhere near me.
And like they were on the other way, on the other side of town, about an hour away.
And I talked to their soul and body.
And then they called me back in the next day and said that they were healed.
So, and they'd been dealing with it for, I think, two months.
And then said, they called and asked me to pray.
And so I did.
And then they said that the next day they said they're, they're completely
healed and the doctors hadn't been able to fix it or anything.
So, and, and, uh, so I've done that.
Anyway, so, but, uh, yeah, for like, you know, to just remind somebody
of who it is that they are.
Um, think of it kind of like this, as someone comes to you wounded, it
means that there's, there's something that they think that they're lacking.
So I give them what it is that they're lacking.
I send to them from my spirit that from Christ that they think that they don't
have love, peace, joy, whatever, because it's a fruit of the spirit that I have.
The authority, if I carry it again, if I've shifted into the spirit, I now
have the authority to give that because Christ has already given it to them.
So I'm just sending it.
Graham cook talks about the same thing.
He talks about it kind of like the fruits of the spirit are like this, this, uh,
tornado or an environment that exists around someone like the fruits of the
spirit that they have, uh, that they have overcome into and that they are, are
actually showing up as fruits in their lives is that in the spirit, he said,
it's like, they are, they're surrounded.
these fruits of the spirit. So whenever they come in contact with someone that is missing
one of them, like say somebody is very depressed, they said, you can send joy to them and change
their atmosphere. You can change their whatever. And so, and I hadn't heard that except recently,
my husband told me that a couple of days ago that Graham Cook talks about that. I was like,
that is so cool. So anyway, it's the same kind of a thing. God tells to give people what it
is that they're lacking, not to send them to God, but to give them what they need. There's
nothing wrong with sending them to God. But the thing is, he said, don't send them away.
If you were my body and you're my hands and feet, give them what they think they don't have.
Send them the love, give them the peace, give them the joy, that kind of thing.
Yeah. So if you say you're going to send something to Lucy, is that the name you use?
What would you say to her? Say you wanted to send peace and joy to her. Could you just role play it?
So what I do, again, is I gather my understanding. In other words, my choice that it's a reality
that Lucy's soul is out there. And then I kind of like zero in on it. I just decide,
okay, because I'm zeroing in on the fact that it's there, not that I know what it looks like,
but I'm zeroing in on, okay, that Lord, I don't know where it is, but that one, that soul.
Let me ask you this. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. I just, I was trying to think too. When do you
talk to a soul? When do you talk to the body? When do you talk to the spirit? So
I'll just generally about anything related to belief or emotions, I talk to the soul.
Anything health related, I talk to the body. And then the spirit obviously is already in
an agreement with God. And so that is sometimes I just talk to the soul. I mean, to the spirit is
like a fellow spirit. And I just encourage it and urge it and like, hey, I'm standing with you
and to, to, you know, stand as a ruler and, and, and encourage and, and love on the, the soul and
the body is in, is in standing in agreement, not trying to teach the spirit, their spirit,
something because their spirit already knows their spirit is already one with Christ.
I'm just choosing. I'm just saying, Hey, look, I'm standing in agreement with you.
And I'm, you know, and I'm encouraging you grow the spirit of wisdom, the spirit of understanding
and, and it's just like standing with and encouraging each other in the spirit,
but I'm not like teaching somebody else's spirit something because I'm one with it. It's, it's,
I don't, I, I don't have any authority over it. I don't know. So I can stand in agreement with it.
So, so, so well, yeah. So you went to the, go back to where you went to you, you, you, you've
zeroed in on the soul, then you're just kind of, yeah. What would you say?
And so zeroing on the soul and, and I just kind of sense from the lowest bear, okay, Lord,
you know, what is it that they're, that they're needing? Are they not feeling loved? Are they not
feeling peace? Are they not feeling joy or whatever? And then what I do is I, I, sometimes
I like talk to the soul and I'll just, you know, um, encourage them again to remember who it is
they are to, to not be worried, to not have to carry this, this burden that they're carrying,
that they don't have to do that anymore. They don't have to be burdened by this depression.
They don't have to be burdened by this, whatever. And then, um, basically encourage it and appreciate
it for what it's done and let it know, Hey, look, you know, you no longer have to carry this. You,
I now release you from it or that kind of thing. And then what I do is in order to send it love
or joy or whatever, I feel it inside of me. Cause again, the only way I can do this
a soul can't do this to another soul, only your spirit. So you have to go into your spirit and
from your spirit, you're operating in love, joy, peace. I mean, you're actually operating in it.
And so from that, you feel one of those, you feel the love, you feel the joy, whatever.
And you kind of like, you're imagining that soul and you just kind of like, okay, God,
that one right there, you do the same thing with the fruit of the spirit. You're like, okay,
wherever it is, Lord, that love I'm connecting with that love and Lord, I am intentionally,
you then send it. I don't know. I always feel like my spirit, when I tell my spirit, Hey,
look, this is what I want to do. My spirit is like, okay. And then together with my spirit,
I, I say together with my spirit, sensing my spirit, my spirit will take this love and push
it towards and gift it to, and push it into that soul. And that's what I do. It's just something.
I intentionally just, I connect with in the spirit and send it.
And I know this works.
I was at that conference, you know, that inner is rest conference.
And do you remember, well, I didn't know if you remember, but if you don't
remember, you at least saw it again on the video where I was walking
around during the exercises, what I was doing, and I'd never done this before.
I stood at front during the very first exercise.
I stood at front for a while and I thought, you know what I'm feeling
like I should walk around the room.
And instead of standing up here, I should walk around the room.
And I've overcome in these areas that I'm incurred, at least to, you
know, the degree that I was teaching it.
I've overcome in the, to the, to a degree.
And I, that means that I have the authority to gift it.
I have the authority to impart it.
Now they have to receive it.
They have to do all of that, but I can, I can make the way easier for them.
So I started walking around and in my spirit, I would push out the, um, what
it is that I had overcome, you know, and what it is that, you know, in my
faith and all of that, uh, meaning like my faith in the Lord, et cetera.
And I would just push it, push all of that out and love the Lord and being,
being, being able to receive the love of the Lord, all of that.
So to walk around the end of the conference, there was a young man who
was there, who told me, uh, who came up at the end and he said, Ashley said,
you remember three days ago when you did that, he said, I've always seen in
the spirit with my eyes open, but I've never gotten to see in the spirit with
my eyes closed and I've always wanted to.
He said, so he said, and I finally did this conference.
He said, I had my eyes closed and you were walking around the room.
He said, with my eyes closed, I could see you walking up the aisle towards me.
He said, I could see your spirit, man.
He said, there were a few times while you were standing up front, I could
see your spirit man behind you.
And I was like, well, that's really cool.
But anyway, so he said, I saw, he said, I saw your spirit man walking towards me.
He said, and then I, he said, and he said, I saw you again with my eyes
closed, walk up around back and behind me.
He said, it's as if the eyes of my spirit or whatever could turn around
in the back of my head and I can watch you.
He said it was wild.
And he said that he was seeing my spirit, man.
He said, and then Ashley, when you walked by, he said, I felt this force hit me.
And I was like, that is so cool.
So it worked.
It was totally by faith.
It was just like, I think that this works.
It feels like it's working.
I feel like my spirit doing it, but I had a nation from someone who had no
idea that that's what I was trying to tell me, this is what I experienced.
You walked by and there was this force that hit me.
Well, I know it works.
So that's cool.
Well, you know, there's two things that came up.
Sometimes I just feel kind of a burden on me, like a burden today.
Like almost was almost a burden coming on me today because trying to get this
wire done and figuring out if this girl's for real, if she really has this
money, cause we don't have confirmation that she's going to have $300,000
tomorrow to buy this home and I'm getting all these calls, but I kept
shifting into, I kept saying, you know, just kind of, I released this to you,
Lord, this is not mine, but I've, I've, I've had this thing in my life where
I've carried burdens, like, I feel like, and that's part of the thing where some
of the, the thing I went through with Oaks Rising was there was something in
my DNA or something that I felt like I had to be the linchpin.
Yeah.
And so, so there's just like this burden, like with, you know, with Ken, you know,
you know, you know, there's just a kind of, kind of a burden that I, you know, I
got to help him, you know, with the house and I got to help him and it's like, no.
So if you have anything to speak to, to that and then, and then also one thing,
it was at one conference, I don't think it was yours, but maybe, do we ever get
up in a line together and look at each other and do an, do an exercise or
was that a different conference?
No, that was Chris Blackaby's conference that he did with Kirby and with Nancy.
And I don't remember.
Oh, I know what it was.
It was one.
It was a couple of people that, um, uh, the Mooney's, uh, Michael Mooney and
Jessica, it was, she's not a Mooney, but she is his assistant and they were
walking us through an exercise and we faced each other.
Yeah.
You were there.
Weren't you?
You were there.
I remember a guy, a black guy from California and he came up and he just
goes, and I'm still, he's a life coach.
He's on Richard Johnson.
He came up and he goes, what is your name?
And he goes, you put out the most awesome energy.
And, uh, yeah, I've always felt that on you, Karen.
I've never thought to tell you that because I've never, I've
never articulated that to myself.
But yes, it's very, uh, you know, your outside matches your inside.
You have a lot of, there's a lot of color inside you in the energy.
that you send out and then it matches, obviously the colors that you wear, but anyway, that
is so cool.
Yeah.
I can, I attest and I affirm, I testify.
Thank you.
Cause he said that to me, no one's ever said that to me.
He's like, like, man, he goes, I just, um, I just wanted to, I just wanted to get your
name and be near you.
It's just like this awesome energy.
And um, I do kind of feel like sometimes that I just carry love.
Yeah.
He said that, um, but anyway, so yeah, yeah, Richard.
So yeah.
Thank you.
And so something about, they saw my insides were like that outside.
Someone said that to me, not too long, but the colors I wear and stuff.
So yeah.
But anything, anything else you can speak to me about that, if I get about not, if that
burden tries to come on me or carrying burdens for others or anything, yeah.
Remember that, uh, uh, that God is always responsible for the outcome.
And here's what I mean.
I know that we keep saying that, but I always try if someone doesn't get it to rephrase
it in a different way.
So there, that with an outcome comes this, uh, that we, meaning like our typical interaction
with outcomes, like say for instance, uh, this, uh, what are you trying to do that you're
trying to get the bank loan?
What are you trying to do?
Um, is that, is that what you outcome or what's the outcome?
Yes.
Trying to get, trying to get this deal to go through tomorrow.
Trying to get, yeah.
The D the wire to come in, the wire to come in on that.
And then, and also the appraisal to, to work out on the other deal that just came, I got
all this stuff today.
Just my first phone call this morning was, Oh, our appraisal didn't, didn't come in as
suppose.
And we don't even know how low it is.
Yeah.
That's my first phone call.
Oh, I'm sorry.
So think of any of those, like say for instance, you know, this whole thing coming through
or just like the wire transferred or whatever.
So any of those are outcomes.
And we think, okay, even though we know that it's out of our control, there's an element
of it in which we feel a weight.
That weight is not ours.
That weight means that we've taken something on because operating with the Lord should
not have a weight on it.
All of that.
Remember his yoke is easy.
His burden is like, we're supposed to give everything to him.
So if we're feeling burden, if we're feeling a weight in what it is that we're doing, it
means that there's some aspect of the outcome that we're feeling responsible for and we're
carrying.
So what all we're supposed to do is if you feel a burden or a weight, just know, okay,
that's not mine.
It means that I'm taking some kind of a, of a responsibility for what happens.
And I'm not responsible for what happened.
I don't carry the responsibility of what happens.
I just partner with the Lord.
Give it to him.
No, like in other words, I stopped carrying it.
It's not like it's our, we give it to him.
It means stop taking it because it was never ours to begin with.
It seems to imply that we owned it at one time.
No, we never own it, but we somehow take it on.
So that's my thing.
So that's why I don't like to say, give it to God, because that means that we associated
with like, it belonged to me and I'm like passing the buck.
No, no, no, no.
It's not ours.
So what, what I always recommend is if you feel anything negative, like you feel, you
know, fear, you know, weight, burden, responsibility, whatever, just remember, okay, apparently
I'm taking on responsibility for your outcome.
Okay.
God outcome is yours.
And so it's not mine.
I'm completely absolved of all responsibility.
So now that I'm completely resolved to absolved of all responsibility, okay, God, now I just
get to do the actions because God, you can do this.
You could do this deal without me, or you could have somebody else do the deal, but
right.
Right.
Who gets to be involved.
That's what you were being involved in.
You're partnering with God in agreement towards whatever outcome that he's going to determine.
That's all you're doing.
And you don't know what outcome that is.
So you don't know what you're agreement with other than the fact that God and his will
and his word be done.
And you're standing with him saying, yes, Lord, that will happen.
Whatever the will is, you know, whatever the will happen will happen.
Whatever the will is, Lord, it'll happen.
Yeah.
And so that's what that is.
So that whole letting go is remembering and living in rest means that you live without
the burden, the weight and the responsibility of the outcome.
So that's what.
Yeah.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And today make the easier said than done, but you make the choice that God carries the
heavy stuff and you get to, you get all of the benefit without any of any of the responsibility.
You get to be a part of it.
You get to co-create, you get to partner without carrying any of the burden of it.
it without caring for responsibility. I mean, it's the best of both. It's the best of everything.
You won't be lazy. People keep thinking, Oh, if I don't feel the burden, the weight and
the responsibility hard enough or fast focus, because if you relieve yourself of the burden,
weight and the responsibility, you default back to your natural state, which is a son
of God who acts like his father and look at all he does. He just doesn't do it for pressure
or obligation. So you're going to be work operating now faster, meaning like you're
going to get more done because he's going to get it done because now you get to enjoy
the action without being weighed down by all of these burdens that you're dragging with
you that, that slow the process down. So anyway, that's good. That's good. I kind of felt that
today. I kept releasing it. I'm like, this is not my burden. That appraisal is not my
burden. Yeah. You know, these taxes aren't my burden. Yeah. These, you know, although,
and yet this noticing too, how do I speak to this, this sinus thing that comes up every
once in a while? I mean, I, my sinuses are healing. Cause I, I take some homeopathic
and stuff, but everyone will have a day like this where it's still, what's a good way to,
to deal with that. The same way that I was talking about, like
talking to Lucy, you know, you talk to yourself and you talk to your body and then you say,
you know, just, uh, uh, I recommend going to the supportive teachings that I had and
then looking at the ones, um, how to approach spirit, soul, and body or something like that.
It's just a little bitty article slash prayer. You know, in other words, you're, you're,
you're, it's not prayer. Cause you're not talking to the Lord, but you're talking to
your soul and your body. And that just kind of short, it just kind of gives you some ideas,
but you're doing is you understand and approach your body and complete unconditional love
and acceptance so that it feels safe with you and no longer feels like it has like it's
under threat by the world, which is what has caused sinus infection.
It feels under threat that it has to succumb to the natural physical laws that are coming,
that are, that have caused it because what's happened is it is following natural laws.
So the thing is that Jesus's body didn't have to succumb to natural laws when it was, um,
when he was resurrected, he could walk through walls, he could eat or he could not eat. He could
do whatever it is he wanted and wasn't subject to it. And that's what we want to teach our bodies
is that, Hey, you're perfectly safe. You don't have to protect yourself. You know,
rule creation, you're not subject to creation. So anyway, that's what I, that's what, um, how I
do it. And I just release my body from, from ever being different and from even ever having to get
rid of this sinus thing, because it has to feel totally safe with me and to, and, and that, that
I really am so non-threatened by what's coming against it. So it can learn it's not threatened
and it can learn that it's whole, it can learn that it's healed. And then also just really quickly
is, is that we always approach things from the perspective, not that, okay, Lord, I'm hoping for
healing. I'm asking for healing. I'm wanting healing, but rather from the perspective of start
the, uh, started at the, at the beginning of like, of like ex expecting that your prayers are already
answered and that you're already older, you're already healed and feel it. Like really, truly
feel your nose being cleared and that your nose is clear. And, and then just go about it. It's
expecting the, expecting the truth and the reality of what God says. You're not denying the reality
of this earth. All you're doing is you're choosing a higher one. So eventually your body will come
into alignment with the higher reality that you've chosen. That's good. That's good. And you
can't do that denying that you're sick or denying that your son isn't like that because that's not
going to help anything. Yeah. You have to acknowledge both truths, but choose this one
instead of this one. Yeah. Right. One more thing is what do I do with like at the conference a
couple of times, I think what came in is I felt like I wanted to control the situation with Ken,
you know, I'm like, you know, do you want, you know, sit over here there, you know, there there's
a seat over here. So I was like trying to control it. Cause I felt like, you know, I needed, I
needed to, you know, sit here, you know, cause, um, whatever. So, but I think I was trying to
control it is what I realized later trying to control it. And I'm like, yeah, that doesn't
serve me. That doesn't serve anything. Well, correct. And the reason why we control is because
we're afraid, um, we're feeling insecure or whatever. So find your secure.
where you're always going to want it to be, which is between you and the Lord, remembering
who it is you are, etc. Also, what might be in there is the fact that you might be trying
and maybe not, but maybe it's just other situations that that you would have done this, but trying
to take care of him, like make sure that he knows. And so you can just remember as long
as you stay open and inviting in general, like in a, in a, in a, in a spirit of open
invitation, he, as a, as a grown man will do what he wants to do instead of, you know,
so if he, he knew that he could sit by you and you know, you choose not to. So in other
words, you're just like, okay, let him do him. But me, that makes me feel very uncomfortable.
So if instead of trying to control what he's doing in order to create an environment to
create your own security, choose to get your security from the Lord, and then push that
out into your environment. Instead of trying to suck it from your environment to create
your security. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. From the Lord and then push out and give it to creation.
Creation doesn't have what you need. You have what creation needs.
That's good. Creation doesn't have what you need. You have a creation needs. Yeah. It's
kind of like last night at that meeting. That's good. There was a chair that, that, you know,
could have been open for Ken, but someone else took it. And then they're like, oh, and
were you saving that for Ken? I can bring another chair. And I said, no, when Ken gets
there, or he may have already been there. I said, he'll sit where he wants to sit. And
so I just told, don't even put a seat there for Ken. Cause he'll sit where he wants to
sit. Yeah, that's a great because you released it. And he sat down at the other end and that
was fine. He said he, he, he can choose. And it was like, it's all good. Yeah. So I didn't
try to, I didn't try to control. So I did that, didn't I? Yes. Yeah, exactly. And so
I'm so glad that you're noticing and acknowledging these things that you've, how you've released
things, how you've let things go, you know, you know, meaning like you're stepping into
it, you're choosing, Hey, this is who I am between me and God. This is the, this is who,
this is the life, you know, that I choose, you know,
Yeah. It was kind of funny though. Cause then Dwight came in the last question and answers
and sat by me and he goes, why is Ken way back there? You know? So I said, well, I guess
cause he chose to sit back there, you know? Yeah. I don't know. You know, and with Dwight,
I can just, you know, Dwight's like, I call him my little brother at this. And I think
one time Ken was a little, I don't know what it was when, when we were first met and we
got married, he said, you, you act a little different when you're around Dwight. And I
said, wait, I said, well, Dwight's everybody acts different when they're around Dwight.
No, I didn't say, I said, well, Dwight's like my brother. I call him my little brother.
So you, you act a little different around your brother. Yeah. Yeah. You know? And then
it wasn't good. And then he got a little jealous one time around Keith lemon who kid who Shelly
is one of my best. Shelly's one of my best friends. We still talk every week cause they
moved for Arizona for now. Yeah. And yeah, moving back to Oklahoma soon. So there'll
be closer. But anyway, but Keith is Keith when, after we met for a while, he's like,
you know, you're my sister. I never had. So he's my other brother. I'm not close to my
brother. I'm in the natural. So, you know, I don't know if Keith kissed me on the cheek
one day or something and Ken and Ken really. And I'm like, Ben, Keith is my, like my brother.
He is. So there was something, something in there that needed healed because anyway, so
I've just, but it's, but it was kind of odd because then it was like, it was almost like
Ken was pushing my friends away a little, me, me away from my friends. It seemed like,
so that brought, that brought a little bit of a wedge and then he, and they made the
comment about Dwight. So I'm glad to see he was hanging out with Dwight a little bit.
That's good. So maybe, yeah. And when Keith, you know, but I felt kind of awkward then
around Shelly and Keith, you know, they used to come over and play cards with us and eat
with us. And then I felt a little awkward. Yeah. So how do you handle that? How do you
handle that? So, I don't know. I mean, I don't know, I'm kind of, I don't know, nothing's
coming to me at the moment. I mean, cause obviously that's just some stuff with, I mean,
it's important, obviously when we're married to always interact with somebody, the opposite
sex with, you know, the appropriateness and then, and then every couple just decides what
that level of appropriateness is. Yeah. And I mean, I think Shelly was, yeah, Shelly was
right there with us, you know, Shelly. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. But my point is like.
If he thinks, if, if, uh, if Ken thinks that it's inappropriate,
and then the two of you just kind of decide, well, apparently, you know,
for us, you know, we're going to do this, but not this.
And then Keith and Shelley are perfectly fine with it, but you and Ken, what it
is that y'all decided as a couple, I've decided, okay, to draw a line somewhere
that maybe you don't have an issue with, but that he does to honor him as like
your, your husband, but it can be like a discussion and, and all of that.
But I mean, ultimately he just feels, uh, he just feels, um, uh, uh, I can't
think of the word that I was going to use, but anyway, somehow, um, not in
NAF or, or kind of slide it as a, as a husband.
So I'm not saying that there's any reason for it or that you
did something that was wrong.
I'm saying him in his background, in his way of interpreting
things is saying that to him.
And so that's just everybody's individual determination about
what they, as a couple do.
Me and me and my husband were very different.
And the fact that, um, I knew that he, uh, he has it, what
we call a ministry of hugs.
And so he just hugs people all of the time.
I mean, he hugs me and he hugs me, you know, and whatever, because that was his,
that was his ministry is like with all of these young students, these, uh,
they were, um, college students.
They were university, uh, uh, Morningstar university students.
They would all come to him, especially the, especially the girls, because to
him, he was like this father figure.
And so to some of them, he was healing their hearts from things that they
didn't receive from their fathers or that they had there at college or
there at university, because they were, they were going through some
Transitions and they didn't have their father around.
And so they would kind of like that.
So for me, just knowing that that's, you know, because of my background, I was
okay with that and Ed's fine with me hugging in and I'm fine with hugging
because we both know each other.
And because of our backgrounds, we're both like, that's fine.
But there are, there are people that, because I remember one thing that we did,
I went to go, I went to see somebody one time and not by myself, but I
went to go see somebody one time in somebody and Ed wasn't with me.
And then this other man got very upset at Ed because he let me go by myself.
And so Ed and I are going, why?
Well, according to this guy, he felt that it was inappropriate and bold.
And I go, no, according to all the methods of propriety, everything was
taken care of, she was never alone.
It was like, she had an old longstanding friendship with this other person that
was stronger before she and Ed, before she and Ed got married anyway, so seeing
it one way and this man was seeing it another, so what we had to determine
between ourselves is okay, what do we think is appropriate?
Is it something that we didn't think was inappropriate, but somebody else
is drawing attention to it that we need to pay attention to and we need to change.
So my point is that everybody has a different idea of where the loss is, but
the important thing is you and Ken before the, before the Lord, what, what
do y'all together, the three of y'all decide is appropriate and it may not
always match what each other, like you might not agree with Ken, he might not
agree with you and I don't agree on that kind of stuff, you know, we just kind
of decide, okay, well, what are we going to do?
So anyway.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
And yeah, yeah.
And then, you know, then, and there lies another thing that maybe I can speak
to, I don't know, is it's hard to communicate and ask him questions
because of that whole really want to.
Um, there's times we can communicate, but there's times it's just
really hard to communicate with him.
Yeah.
Part of it is that that are his healing and that time that his daughter was
talking about is because when you're having a hard time communicating with
somebody, I mean, yeah, there's our own thing of like, what are we communicating
what's our tone and whatever, but communication is a two way street.
It's also the person who's hearing.
And so, you know, there's only, you can't, you know, control that.
And, and so, I mean, obviously marriage counseling is always very helpful for
that because it kind of like is a third party that's like, yeah, through it.
But, um, I know that y'all have, I know that y'all either have or would try it if
you could, and so my point is that that's helpful for that, that anyway.
So I don't know, because there's nothing that a spouse can do if the other spouse
isn't letting us, because again, that communication, like, you know, you have
to, we worked on from both sides.
lives. And so you just do what you can, you pray and ask the Lord to heal him and, and
whatever. And then as far as like physical things you can do. And so it was like marriage
counseling, that's very helpful for communication, whatever, but there's not really anything
that we can do other than, you know, like as far as like convince them, change their
minds, help them understand. There's just, we just have to pray and ask the Lord.
Yeah. And I don't know if I, if I told you that when we first got back together, he agreed,
he agreed, we both agreed we wanted to do whatever it took to make it work. And he agreed
to do dah, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. And then that started falling away. And so it's kind
of hard to do with that. Cause, cause if I bring it up, I'm, I'm controlling if I bring
it up. So that's so that we are, we do have some difficult hurdles. Yeah. Yeah, I know.
I know. And I'm sorry about that, but it looks like y'all have made good, uh, good progress.
And, and so that's wonderful, you know, just being open and loving and accepting of whoever
it is that they are and what they're wanting to give us, you know, give and what they're
wanting to give us is really big, powerful and life and changing of them and us. And,
um, so that at least gets things, um, things started and just like anything, the outcome
isn't up to us. Isn't we're not responsible for the outcome. God is even so. Yeah. So
okay. Any other advice on that? Honestly, it's all I can think of at the moment. Um,
I mean, there are others who might think of, you know, something that I haven't also, there
are others who've been married longer, you know, than, than I have my, me and my little
eight and a half months. Um, is it even eight and a half? I think it's eight and a half months.
Um, so, but anyway, um, and like I said, um, the biggest thing is the same way that I've
talked about dealing with other people, like, uh, like I've had to deal with, like what I
always refer to as the professional workplace bully and whatever that I, that I struggled with
is just, um, doing what we talked about at the beginning of this, uh, this session, which is,
you know, talking to their soul and their body and letting them know that the way that they're
acting out is just, I mean, understanding and receiving fully accepting and being a safe place
for their, their soul and their body and just, and just, um, letting them know that the, that the,
that the fears that they have are based off of beliefs that they're not good enough or that
they've been abandoned or whatever. And then just speak to that and just saying, Hey, oh, also
another thing that's really not, um, that I don't recommend is when you're talking to a solar body,
including your own is to not use negatives. I'm like, Hey, don't be like this. And no,
this isn't true. And don't, you know, you know, you're, you're not abandoned and you're not alone.
You're not whatever. I find that not very effective and very helpful. Instead. I always
speak to the positive, you know, that, Hey, you know, you're loved, you're protected your, you
know, and affirming, thank you for having done what you, what you had to do or felt that you
had to do in order to protect yourself in order to protect me or in order to protect Lucy or in
order to, you know, to do whatever, to always affirm what it is that they did because they
were doing it because they thought that they, they were trying to do the right thing. They were
trying to do the good thing. They were trying to protect, they were trying to look after,
they were trying to provide for, they were trying to whatever, and trying to keep safe,
trying to keep secure, trying to create balance, trying to preserve. And in my, what is that called?
Um, uh, you know, our, our, uh, really strong tendency that God put in us to survive survival
instinct. That's what I'm talking about. Very strong survival instinct. All of those things
are very, very good. The problem is that they're doing them from a place of they're doing them
instead of resting in the spirit to do them for them. They're thinking that they have to take it
on themselves and they weren't equipped, uh, or created to have to do that. And so they weren't
equipped to be able to effectively do it either. So they can, and that's a big burden that they
have to carry. So, Hey, you can relieve yourself with that and you no longer have to have that.
And so just let that go. Always talking in the positive makes a huge difference. Whether you're
talking to a person's soul or body or the person standing there and you're, and you're like pouring
into them, it's best to not talk in negatives about what they shouldn't do. You shouldn't be
believing this. You shouldn't be doing this. You shouldn't, you know, um, even if we mean to
encourage them, it's it ends up what they hear is that they're not good enough. They're not doing
enough.
They're, they're whatever they don't hear it as freeing.
They hear it as I've done something wrong see because they're hearing don't do what
you're doing, whatever it is you're doing that you're identifying with, stop it.
Don't do it.
They, they, they're identifying it with it and so if you say, don't do like I'm bad.
That is what they hire that's what that's what freedom they hone in on.
Right.
That's what Ken always says I'm not bad he thinks I if I say anything I'm saying he's
bad.
He says that a lot.
That is very normal for men.
That is how men interpret things.
When we tell them things, you know when we meaning women, women tell them things they
interpreted it as that they're bad, that they themselves are not good enough that yeah that's
really what it boils down to that they themselves are not good enough.
And you're, and you're going, that's not what I'm saying at all.
I just said, could you do this.
Didn't do that.
So you're saying a bit.
No.
Right.
But that's not just men, it's normal human behavior, but men have a very strong tendency
to do that more so than women, but that's also why women have a tendency to struggle
more with that performance, because they're focused so much on the doing so they can disassociate
a bit more from who they are from what they do that men can't, what they do is who they
are.
That's why they're associating with their career or why they're associating with the
fact that you're telling them they didn't take out the trash, or why whatever it's always
they are what they do and don't do.
And so anyway, it's, it's, yeah, it's a, it's very, that's a, it's a human thing, but
it's a very male, male, and I don't want to say male dominated and thing, but it's a,
it's something that men very strongly deal with.
Well it was good to get to this point with you, Karen, I'm so excited for you and everything
it is that you've chosen in the Lord, I cannot tell you how much that I have enjoyed watching,
you know, you, you decide this is what you want between you and the Lord and you doing
it.
You didn't just say, oh, I want this and oh, I'm trying, you did the hard stuff.
So I'm excited for you because you didn't make it.
You get the aspect that you, you get the aspect of God, you receive the aspect of God that
you agree with.
So,
Amen.
Yeah, that's good.
That's good.
And then will you send this recording?
Yes.
It'll be on the thing.
It'll be on there.
Platform.
Yeah.
You saw your other one on the platform, right?
Yes.
Okay.
So they saw it.
I did there.
Okay.
I didn't open it, but I saw it.
Yeah.
I haven't got to watch it yet.
It's going to be there too.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right.
And the, and you do private sessions if I ever would want one.
Yeah.
Yes, I do.
Okay.
Would you just message you or go on your site?
I actually don't have a way to do it on the site right now.
So you would just message.
Yeah.
I'd love to get it.
Side at some point, but currently my schedule is just a kind of,
is a rather flexible. So I normally.
I don't have any like set.
Hours that I have set aside for transformation sessions.
So, but anyway.
Okay. Then how much do you charge for those?
So I've been charging 200. It's about to go up.
So, but yeah, I've been charging 200 for the past about a year.
So, yeah.
Okay.
And oh, by the way.
That.
Is that he says.
He was wonderful.
Wasn't he good. I'm so glad.
Yeah.
Yeah. He's very.
It's very solid. He is a father.
I don't know if he's just this anchor. He's just a rock.
So he is.
His wife is a joy and I got to have lunch with them.
The last day.
I mean, we, yeah.
So he told us a little more of his testimony and they're, they're cool.
Our testimony together and yeah.
He's yeah. They're they're just great.
They are. Yeah.
We both really.
Enjoy them. They're very special. So yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Okay.
Good to see you, Carrie.
Thank you, sweetie. Okay.
All right.
Okay.
Bye-bye.