Okay.
Hey Renata.
How are you? I'm doing okay. Good to see you. Good to see you too.
What time is it there is it like this.
But, oh, well that's because I'm in central standard time now. Okay, what is it at your place.
It is 1010 o'clock in the morning. Yes, in the morning.
Yeah.
So, how are you.
Well, I'm doing.
Okay, my sister and I went for a walk yesterday.
And she's like, I feel your, I feel you're more at peace.
And I'm like, Oh, really and she's like yeah I feel you're more, you're less stressed, just more like more calm and not so stressed and more like quiet, not like quiet, don't say anything but more like, Yeah, yeah.
And she's like, am I right or am I just it's not just what I'm feeling I'm like no I think you're right, I think you're right.
That's so exciting. Other people are noticing. Yeah, like it's, it's real it's not just in your head it's like no I really am changing, and it's really becoming a part of who I am, not just something I do, you know, because you're doing it unconsciously.
And I also think that I noticed in my friendships that because I have been in so much stress for many years, there's always things you know but that sometimes the friendship go in a pattern.
And there's always been like a lot of heavy things that I share from my life. And it, I think it's almost my maybe.
Sometimes I don't know what to say anymore, or I'm like, Well, I don't know if there is that many heavy things.
And I can tell that maybe sometimes your friendship is a way used to go somewhere, and then now.
Well, I don't.
Either I don't feel like I need to talk about those things, or I actually don't have an, or my life isn't that hard anymore.
So, it can be a friendship or expectations of a friendship or. Yeah.
But I don't feel like I'm not being honest I feel like, oh, there must be something wrong or I'm, I'm not digging deep enough for, so I'm just like noticing like little things like this.
Well, I mean I could be wrong, but I think that it means that it's just not your focus anymore. You know, it's not that those, it's not that hard things aren't happening.
I mean, for instance, you talked to us about them you know on the rest intensive. Yeah, it's not that hard things aren't happening, but maybe not as many, or maybe simply you just don't notice them as hard things anymore.
In other words, they no longer affect you as if you're being attacked or you're being threatened, or there's something that you have to be ultra vigilant about, you know, be on the defensive, be on the lookout for whatever.
And so that is really exciting. And so what I was also thinking when you were talking about this you're, you're like, you know, know how to ask me but when you have friendships me when you get together you talk about, you know, all the heavy things.
Well, the exciting thing about that is that now, your friendships can can you know you can form a friendship with people.
Your times with people your times with your friends might be lighter now might be more like you the two of you connecting on who it is that you are and what it is you enjoy and just, and just kind of giving each other the opportunity to enjoy each other, as opposed
to being there for each other, while the others going through a difficult time, because that's a very important part of friendship, but it's not the only part.
So it's exciting that now you know you can kind of like broaden and develop those friendships in in and, you know, and expand them from what they were.
I have a friend like that, where she and I get together and. And one of the things that we talked about is we know we can rely on each other to talk about to be able to talk about the difficult.
things, you know, in other words, the heavy things struggles and be able to feel like someone's there
for us. But then the way that she and I got together is the fact that the fact that, you
know, she and I just really enjoy who each other are. And so that's something that at different
seasons of our lives, that's what we have is we have, you know, just the lightheartedness and the
fun and whatever, as opposed to always the heavy. So that's exciting.
Yeah, yeah, it may be friendships will look a little bit different than I also feel like I have
more energy and capacity to listen, listen more, I think, to like, I always have made it. It's
always been really important for me to be there for friends and to listen. But I always but I
felt like I haven't had the capacity that I've wanted to because I've dealt with so much of my
own stuff. But now I think I feel like I have more, more capacity to be involved in other people's
lives. Siding. Yeah. Yeah, that I don't. So I'm just like noticing this a little, a little bit.
And also, I'm starting to share. Because for the first half year, I didn't really share that much
that was going on in me, because there were so many processes. And but I think I'm starting to
share more now with friends, and my family. And I can tell. And I think I also more, it's not I'm
not so vulnerable that I can't handle that they don't accept it or understand it right away. Like,
and like, I'm aware that some of these thoughts might be really new to them or threatening or
whatever. And also, I don't tell them flat out, this is what I'm learning. I'm just weaving it
into what we're talking about. I'm just gonna speak on the topic freedom. And then I just talk
about what's going what I believe freedom is. And I incorporate the things that I'm walking through
and just in the talk about what she's going to speak about, kind of like, but in that I'm actually
sharing what's going on in my life and my heart and then things that I've come to believe. So I am
using it, but more in the context of what what's going on in each other's lives. Yes.
That's exciting. That's wonderful. And but I, but I can tell that a lot of people don't understand
maybe what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah. Most people, most people. Yeah. Most people in my life
don't, you know, my heart is so weird to me because you do this for a living. Yeah, well,
it's, it's, but it's very usual. And, and I don't want this to sound different than what I mean,
when I say this, but you, you remember that it says that, that Jesus said that a prophet is,
oh, how does is not without honor, except in his hometown or something like that.
In other words, it's remember that when Jesus went back to Nazareth, he said,
um, yeah, it said, people kept asking, people said, well, wait a minute, isn't this Joseph's
son? Isn't this the carpenter's son? And it was hard for them to kind of connect with the fact
that he could be, uh, that he could be extraordinary, that he could have a revelation that
they didn't because, um, and that he had something to offer because they, they knew him as the
carpenter's son. So like, oh my goodness, it kind of like similar to the fact that people used to
say, you know, what good could come out of Nazareth? You know, what good thing could come
out of Nazareth? So it's this idea that, um, people that just know you just, um, they, they
love you and they support you and what makes you happy. But, um, most families and friends, uh,
don't, um, I don't know, take, make the effort to participate personally in order to receive
a contribution or whatever. So, I mean, meaning like something that you have to offer them to
be able to receive that. So, and I don't mean anything bad about my family or my friends.
When I say that it's, my point is to point that out is that.
It's just normal that people have a hard time connecting
with the fact that you could have something
that they could benefit from
because they've known you your whole life.
But my sister even mentioned that in the testimony
she did in the rest intensive one time.
She said,
she said,
you know, it took me a long time
to join the rest intensive.
She said, because I couldn't believe
or she said, it was really hard for me to believe
or imagine or to accept,
I don't remember which word she used,
that Ashley could have a revelation that I didn't
if we grew up in the same household,
if we grew up in the same way.
But she said, and so she was struggling
and with things in her life
and how on earth could I have the answer
that she was looking for?
And I told her,
I think in a response is because, as I said,
because I didn't have it until I was an adult.
I didn't have it until I was off on my own,
doing my own thing,
pursuing the Lord in a new way
and receiving something different.
So that's why, because I didn't have it either.
But she said, but then I joined and she said,
and then I realized it's true.
She said, because what she did is,
remember, it's not my message, it's the Lord's,
it's just, I heard it and it changed my life.
And so then when my sister heard it
and she chose to receive it between her and the Lord,
not between me, not for me,
but between her and the Lord,
all of a sudden everything changed
and she got the freedom she'd been looking for.
She said she'd done Celebrate Recovery.
She says all this on the testimony
and Celebrate Recovery,
done deliverance sessions,
done with deliverance ministry
and at least one, if not two.
Anyway, she'd done all kinds of things
and trying to get relief and help
and she said, none of it worked until this.
And I had somebody else actually who said the same thing.
I've done, Ashley, I've been a Christian
for 20 something years.
I've done all of this stuff.
Nothing worked, but this did.
It's because this is the gospel.
It's like when Jesus said that he died
and he gave us freedom, it's this free.
So anyway, the point is, it's very normal.
And that's what's really what I'm-
And I can't take it personally.
No, no, no.
And what's really interesting about that
is that I'm noticing people who are living this,
but might not know.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Because it is the gospel
and it's been available to anyone at any time.
And some people have caught it
and they might not even know what to call it,
but they just live in rest like most of the time
or they just move themselves into rest without even knowing.
Yes.
Yeah.
And I've noticed that in different friendship
and family members that you're like,
oh my gosh, you're just so not living in rest
or, oh my gosh, you have no idea what this is,
but you are actually living it.
You're doing it.
It's called something else.
And one of the reasons why I think my,
like I wonder why my sister is always so calm
and collected and feels at peace.
And I always thought that it's her personality
or just, and also that she's just been lucky in life
with a lot of things.
That's part of it.
But today, and when we had that walk yesterday
and also other talks that we've had,
I've come to realize, no, she just lives in rest.
And I've been asking her like,
when this happened and this challenging happened,
what do you do?
And she just like, she calls it like,
she just feels it and then she gives it to Jesus
and then she lets him love her.
That's how she explains it.
And then she says, yeah.
And then she says like the biggest
and the smallest things just disappear.
Yeah.
So she has her own language to it.
Then I'm like, but this is actually living in rest.
You just don't know what it's called.
That's great.
Have you noticed that too?
Yeah.
There's particular people we're just attracted to
and we're like, how do they live in so much peace?
And how do they actually have faith in God
and believe it to the point where,
because we all know we should and we all say it,
but there are certain people that actually physically,
that actually emotionally respond like that
in peace and enjoy.
And I'm like, how did you do that?
And so, yeah, they're able to do that.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Not so much.
The Lord had to teach it to me.
Yeah.
Again, I was grateful because then he gave me again,
like I said, the words to be able to explain
to other people how they could do it
because otherwise, you know, just like me,
I'm like, how did you do that?
And so I wanted to walk other people through
how to actually do it.
The Lord just called me to it.
And so anyway, but yes.
So many people live this thing,
but don't know how to articulate it.
Exactly.
And I think my sister,
she doesn't know how to articulate it
or, and she doesn't know how to give it on.
Yeah.
I think that I just realized
that she doesn't have the words for it.
And she doesn't know how to teach it to others.
But for herself, she just lives in it.
Yeah.
That's what's so amazing with this,
that you actually,
and that I hope that I will get words to actually,
so I can actually give it to others,
like you're doing,
like in different ways.
Yeah.
Because I think it's not just to live in it,
and it's like also understanding
Yeah.
what's really going on
and have the words,
like you're teaching us to, yeah.
Yeah.
Great.
That's really cool.
That's neat that you've noticed that about other people
and about your sister particularly.
Yeah.
What else is going on?
Do you have any, I don't know,
how's it going?
Just pursuing the Lord
and meaning like,
seeking intimacy with him,
feeling and experiencing his love,
spending time with him
and actually enjoying it,
that kind of thing.
What are your, how's things going?
I feel like I'm,
when hard things happen,
there's a much higher percentage
that I will respond and rest.
But I still feel that I am going in and out of it,
but a lot of times things are less challenging.
When there happens something hard
and I am used to being thrown off
and then it doesn't happen.
And I'm like,
and I also sometimes realize that I have a choice in this
or it's kind of like,
oh, now I have a choice.
I can actually respond in peace here.
So I noticed that,
but I still,
what I struggle with,
I think that there are different things that are coming up,
but I,
one of them is I think to,
to,
like I come home with my family and I,
and there are some relationships
that I'm really attached to,
but I'm not getting what I want from the relationships
and they are maybe a little bit unhealthy.
I don't know how to let go of the people
at the same time, stay in relationship.
So I think that coming home this week
has been a lot of struggles in my family.
For instance, a nephew that I used to be very close to
and now he's a teenager.
And I think there might've been things
that have happened along the way
that maybe I didn't meet his emotional needs.
I think there were times that I disappointed him,
but it's so many years ago.
And then suddenly we're at a place where
he is just in his own world
and I just feel really rejected.
And then I feel like I should let go of him,
but I also, like, I feel like I have like
an unhealthy tie to him,
like a need to, oh, I want to serve him, help him.
I feel rejected.
Like I'm emotionally tied to him
and I'm almost a little bit needy
and also trying to serve his needs and it's not working.
And I feel like almost like in bondage,
but I'm thinking if I, okay, let it go,
but that makes it equivalent to me
as to stop doing something.
And right now he's not really responding to anything.
So I'm kind of wondering,
I just noticed that I am a bit unhealthily tied
to some of my family members
and I don't know how to live free in the relationships.
Like, okay, I let everything go, let him go.
And then I just don't bother with him.
And I just delight myself in myself and in the Lord.
And if he wants to come along, he does,
but then he's a teenager.
Or do I go and pursue him and love him?
Like Christ loves us and just like on his terms,
not my own terms.
It's kind of, I can tell that I feel stuck and bound
and I don't know what to do with myself.
and very troubled in my mind.
And every time I see him, I'm like, what should I do?
And I feel rejected, but I don't know what to do
because I don't have any way into his life.
And I don't know what his, if he's a teenager,
so he's living in his own world, he has his own things.
And all at the same time, I also see that he's lonely,
but then I don't know if that is something that I'm seeing
because I'm so emotionally involved in this,
or if it's actually something that is real.
So the whole, it becomes almost like a blur sometimes
to be home, where, like for instance, with my mom today,
I realized like she was talking
and kind of disconnecting herself from me.
Well, you know, when you have a talk with someone
and there's so much in their own world
and they don't even see if you're yawning
or looking at your watch or trying to get out of it,
she's just so much in her own thing.
And then I get more and more stressed because I'm like,
you're so disconnected to me right now, this feels so weird.
And then I felt, I thought, oh my gosh,
I know what's happening right now.
I feel unprovided for, that's what I feel.
I feel unsafe because my mom is not providing connection
with me and I feel unprovided for.
And it had just clicked in my mind and I was like,
oh, okay, but God, that's not true.
You provide for me, like you are my provider right now
with my mom talking and ranting on about things
and not staying connected to me,
I feel unprovided for, but that's not true.
So I started to speak that in my mind,
you are provided for, you're safe, you're provided for,
you don't have to freak out here
and you don't have to say something unkind to your mom,
you don't have to reject her,
you can just stay in this, you're still safe.
So I realized that there are like,
with my mom and with my nephew,
unhealthy things or bonds there,
but I don't know how to have healthy,
relationships with them, yeah.
Yeah, so it sounds like, soul ties,
are you familiar with soul ties, the noun?
So that's what that sounds like to me,
where you say, you feel bound, you feel connected,
you feel like there's,
unlike, well, I was gonna say attached,
but attached, but I can't think of a better word,
than you used, you're just bound, you're tied to them.
And then there's ways obviously to just break that off,
between you and the Lord,
meaning like between you and the Lord,
you can break all that off
and then you are free to enjoy them without,
free to enjoy your mom or your nephew,
without feeling bound to them in an unhealthy way.
Because there's, I don't know,
I think that there's like healthy,
connections that we have with people,
but then what, so what we're talking about is,
we're talking about the unhealthy ones,
the ones that are built,
either from them to us or from us to them,
based on some need that we were emotionally demanding,
that the other meet,
like that they meet for you
or that they're wanting you to meet for them.
And anyway, and then we just simply break those off.
It's honestly a very easy,
it's in a very simple process.
And then have you ever done that?
Have you ever walked through breaking soul ties
with the Lord?
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't remember how we did it, but yes, I have.
Yeah.
Okay.
And it's, like I said, it's very easy.
No one ever told me how to do it.
I just did it with the Lord and it worked.
So, because as I've talked about in,
you remember in the rest lifestyle in session 12,
I talk about the power of intention,
that what's important is your intention.
It's like you deciding, this is what I want to do.
And therefore, this is what I am doing.
I am cutting this.
I am severing.
I am disconnecting.
You're not disconnecting from them as a person.
You're just disconnecting in the ways
in which you're unhealthily connected.
So you're cutting those unhealthy cords or ropes
or whatever, but not the unhealthy ones.
So you can.
And so, and that actually enables you to have a better,
healthier, stronger relationship
without the unhealthy connections.
Instead of thinking, oh, well, if I'm, you know,
like what you were talking about, like, well,
how do I disconnect while still being connected
in relationship with them?
We're only talking about the unhealthy things.
We're talking about the things that make us feel like
their decisions are determining our lives.
They're doing whatever,
and we're being like pulled around by the nose
by their decisions, and we're getting hurt,
we're getting affected by their choices,
and meaning like emotionally,
or we feel like we aren't getting our needs met,
and then we get triggered, and whatever,
all because of decisions that they made,
which isn't healthy,
because then it's giving over the power of ourselves
to someone else, giving them control over us,
and allowing them to,
even allowing ourselves to be manipulated.
But, so anyway, it's very easy to just do with the Lord.
You just go to him, and you just,
you just, first of all, you just,
well, let's see, first of all,
you go to him, and then you just decide,
Lord, this is what I want to do.
I want to break off these soul ties.
And remember, with intention,
you remember that's your own free will
that you're making this decision with.
It can't be a hopeful or a wishful thinking.
It's like, no, I've decided.
So in other words, God has given me the,
God has given me the victory over this.
I don't have to live like this.
He died so that I wouldn't have to,
so therefore the only thing that is connecting me
or chaining me to this other person is my decision.
So I'm going to decide something different.
I'm going to decide to disconnect myself.
Why?
Because Jesus said it first.
I'm not, so that's how you can know
that you have the power and the right to make the decision
and that it will work,
as opposed to, okay, well,
there's this thing called soul ties,
and so I'm going to try.
I'm going to try to do it.
You have the authority to break them
simply because you decide.
Because again, God is the one who said it first.
You're not making a decision
about something that you wish were true,
and then you're just making up your own rules.
God is the one who said it first,
but you have to decide that that is what you're going to do
and that that is what is going to happen
and that that is what you are doing right now,
meaning like while you're in there with the Lord
and you're like, I'm breaking this soul tie,
it's you're deciding that that's what you're doing.
You're deciding that that is what is happening,
not, oh, I hope this works.
I'm going to do this, and I hope this works.
No, no hoping it works.
No, I'm doing it, and therefore it's happening.
You decide that it's happening,
because again, you're doing this all based off
of the fact that God said it first.
You're not making something up.
You're not going rogue with your own idea of like,
oh, I just wish this were true, so I'm going to decide.
It's always based on what God said first.
So what I do is I just go before the Lord,
and sometimes I have God the Father
and Jesus and the Holy Spirit.
Sometimes I have all of them,
because they all have roles to play.
For one, God is the judge.
God the Father is the judge.
And then Jesus is my advocate.
He's the one who has died for me.
He's the one that I'm united with.
He's my advocate.
He's my lawyer, kind of a thing.
He's on my side.
I mean, they're all on my side, but you know what I'm saying.
And then the Holy Spirit is there.
That's the Spirit of God, and it facilitates so much.
And again, kind of advocating for us before the Lord as well
as in like our spirit within us is always speaking to God,
and it's always speaking,
and I believe that that's kind of like flows through
is the Holy Spirit.
Our spirit talking to the Lord,
the Holy Spirit is engaged in that,
because Spirit talks to Spirit.
So anyway, point is, I like to have all three of them there,
but anyway, that just kind of.
It just kind of helps me feel like, um, we're like the entirety of the
Godhead is with me on this.
And therefore this, this is something that we're all doing together and
it really is going to happen, you know, anyway, and then I just, and, and
what I do when I'm, when I'm praying to the Lord is whatever I kind of bring
that other person with me, not in real life, but in my kind of my imagination
and my intention and my, and my love for them or whatever, and I bring them
it's like, Lord, you know, and, and I, and I talk good about them to the Lord.
Lord, you know, I love this person, or you can even talk about the, about the
things that you, that you're struggling with Lord, you know, I really struggle
with this about them or whatever.
And, and Lord, I don't, I don't want to anymore.
I want to free them from that.
And I want to free me from that.
And, and then I just, and then I imagine there are all of these cords
that are connecting me from to them.
And then I just, and I just ask the Lord, you know, or I just tell the Lord, okay,
Lord, I believe that you have, um, I'm just walking you through what's helpful.
This isn't magic.
I'm just telling you the ideas and the concepts of like, uh, uh, that I kind
walk myself through.
That's kind of helpful and helping me kind of understand what it is that I'm
doing so that I can, again, guide my intention, like guide my will of like,
Hey, this is what I'm doing.
This is what I'm deciding.
It kind of helps give me a direction for my will to go for my decision to go, Hey,
this is what I'm doing.
So I kind of talked to the Lord about all of it.
And really I'm talking to myself, meaning like I'm reminding myself
what it is that I'm doing, but I'm talking to God.
And so anyway, I just say, Lord, you know, I have all of these connections
and I just kind of imagine them.
And then, and then I just, and then I tell the Lord before with them, basically
I do this before God, the father, and basically with Jesus, you know, on my
side and with the Holy spirit is my witness or however you want to imagine it.
And then I say, I Lord before you right now, because Jesus said that he died
for me so that I can do this so that I don't have to be, so I can be freed.
I am now choosing that freedom and me and my own free will standing in what
you have already said is true.
Um, and is possible.
I am cutting this soul tie with them, you know, and I'm cutting
this other soul tie with them.
And maybe God will give you names for it of what the soul ties are.
And maybe he won't, you know, for me, uh, maybe sometimes he has
and other times he hasn't.
And so I just kind of go with whatever I have.
I have a name for it.
I call it that.
And if I don't have a name for it, I just say this old tie.
I don't know.
You know, and then I just, and I just start cutting, but I, again,
it can't be wishful thinking.
It's not okay.
I'm really hoping this is working.
No, you make a decision that you're doing it.
This is what I'm doing.
This is really happening in real life in the spirit.
I'm cutting and severing these things.
And I promise you, if you decide that that is what is happening, it happens.
Because God is the one who enables that to be true.
He's just wanting you to finally come into agreement with it.
Yeah.
That you want to stand in that freedom and that whatever.
And then what I do is I bless after separating all those, you know,
just, just the unhealthy.
So tussle times.
That's what I tell the ward, you know?
Um, I don't know.
It probably depends on who you talk to as whether they think that there's,
it's possible for any to be healthy.
I don't know.
All I know is that, is that I just, I was like, well, Lord, I don't know if
there is such a thing as healthy soul ties.
So just in case there, there is, I'm telling you, I'm cutting the unhealthy ones.
You know, I'm not wanting to disconnect myself from this person.
I thank you for giving this person to me.
I love them.
No, I want to be in relationship with them.
Please help me to see them.
You know, as the way Jesus sees them and all of that, but I'm
cutting all of these others off.
And, you know, and I thank you for giving me, um, freedom for
giving me, for uniting me with you.
And then I'm just going to, um, and so Lord, I, I free this person
from their connection with me.
Also, this is just a little thing that I'm going to mention here.
Uh, I told the Lord when I was doing this with someone in particular, I said, Lord,
I break off all the soul ties that, that I made towards them and that they need
towards me because this person that I'm specifically thinking of, um, a lot when
we're talking for this example, um, there, a lot of the ties were made first from
them to me and because of their dependence on me to be.
okay, or to be a certain way or to whatever. And then I responded with my own based off of that.
So anyway, the thing is that I, and I noticed that dependence on me and I wanted to cut that
as well. So anyway, I just told her that, that basically I was cutting myself free of that as
well. And, and then I would just, and then I close everything out by always blessing the person
like very seriously, like, Lord, I just ask for good things for them and ask that, you know,
that they not have to, uh, that they be forgiven Lord of everything it is that they've done.
So Lord, I receive your forgiveness, um, for what it is that I've done, you know,
in making these on how they sell ties. You know, I ask for an, and Lord, I, before the God,
the judge, I forgive them. I release them of any obligation of, uh, having to pay for what
they've done to me in connecting and making me full ties or whatever, you know, anyway.
So that's how, and that's how I finished it is I always finish on a positive note of now that
there's no, now that there's no, uh, unhealthy connection between me and them, cause I've cut
it all off. Now there's nothing, but all the goodness to enjoy. And, and I want to, and I,
and I want to be like my father, I want to be like Jesus. And so I want to bless them.
Um, not just kind of like, okay, well now we're free and I'm going to forgive them.
I'm going to turn around and also consciously bless them and ask the Lord to bless them.
So anyway, uh, did all of that kind of make sense? It's not, it's not magic. You don't have
to, no, no, no. And I've, I've been through similar before, but it's helped. It's really
good. But I know what I totally understand what you're talking about. It's really good.
So that's helpful. But like I said, what the power to enable it to happen is in your intention,
your decision that that's what you're doing. Um, not that, Oh yeah, I will do that. No,
that, that is actually what is happening. You determine that that is what is happening. It's,
it's a King who's made a decree and expects it to be carried out. He's not hopeful that it'll
be carried out. He expects that it is. And it's just, once he says it, he assumes that it's done.
That's basically it. It's an assumption that it's done and that it's happened. And then it really
will be true. So God is the one who's, it's his power. That's actually cutting everything,
but you're coming into agreement with it is what is enabling it to happen.
So you're not powerfully doing all of this. So to speak, it's you're just calling on the power of
Jesus that actually has the power to cut all of that stuff. You're just coming into agreement
with it and calling on it to, to do it, calling on it to happen. So that's what I would recommend
doing. And, and you will things will be just healthier and happier. And then also you were
talking about your you didn't know, like, say for instance, you gave an example with your nephew,
like, well, you know, do I just go off and do my own thing? Or do I try to connect? Honestly,
it's kind of a bit of both. You just do your, you, you know, you enjoy yourself. You don't
especially after you cut all the soul ties off, this is easier. You just, you, because you're not
connected to him anymore and in an unhealthy way anymore, you're not pulled around by him and
unbiased decisions and whatever. So you do you're doing your thing and you're enjoying you, even if
he doesn't want to enjoy life with you right now, you're enjoying life with you. But there's also
the thing of like, you know, still, still like presenting invitations to him to do stuff,
or just doing something for him without expecting anything in return. For instance, you can, and
this is just an example. It's not that you have to do exactly this, just an example. But like,
when I say without expecting anything in return, like you, you talk about, oh, I like to bring in
food and stuff. Well, you can, but you're saying that he doesn't engage with you at all.
You can, you can still bring in food and just not, and either not sit with him, like, not like
you're like ignoring him, but you can tell that he wants to do his own thing. So you just bring
in food. Hey, thought you'd like this, you know, and then you go off and you do your own thing.
So in other words, he realizes there's no pressure. You're just, you're just giving him
things, not expecting anything in return, or you bring it and then, and he's sitting at the table.
And you're sitting at the table and, but you're, you're, I don't know,
reading a book or you're working on the computer or you're scrolling on your
phone again, you're reaching out to him without, and you're available.
If he wants anything, but he won't feel the pressure of the gift is if
there's an exchange or an obligation.
So it's love without conditions.
It's love, you know, so I'm just mentioning that as an
example, you can apply it, you know, however you want, but.
I mean, so it's a bit of, it's kind of like a combination of both.
It's not ignoring them, but at the same time, it's not requiring anything of them.
It's just always being there, always being available.
And then it is putting yourself in the vulnerable position that you're giving
and you're doing, and you're there without, you know, reciprocity, which
can be hard and hurtful, but yeah.
Yeah.
You know, it's that kind of thing because you're right.
I mean, God wants us, God wants us to love on other people.
And you know, that if you just love him and love on him, it'll come out very
naturally without, and he'll sense it without you even having to do anything.
It you're just natural without you consciously having to do particular
things, it'll just naturally come out.
Um, but, uh, anyway, so is that helpful?
Yeah, that is helpful.
Yeah.
I think that would be really good.
Um, and that I will, and maybe I will just naturally more know what I
want to do when you don't have this unhealthy bond, maybe, um, I won't know
right now, but then I will be more free to be like, Oh, it's natural to just
like be a little bit on the side, but I'm still there or it'll be natural
to really do something specific.
Yeah, correct.
Because I will be free to kind of sense what's, what's right to do and what
the spirit is leading you to do either, or, but now it's so muddled with
emotion that we see it clearly.
Yes, because right now it's like you as well are kind of feeling
and obligation or pressure.
It's for a different reason than he is, but, um, it's, it's still kind of
there almost like a, okay, well, if I want this, I have to do this or
basically an agenda.
That's what I'm talking about.
And so when you, it's easier for people to experience and see Christ's love for
them through us while we don't have an agenda, meaning like something we're
trying to accomplish or response we're trying to get from them.
Yeah.
So everything just becomes more clear and more effortless when you don't have
that, that, that unhealthy connection anymore.
So otherwise we're being manipulated and controlled by our own unhealthy
connection with them.
And because that connection we built trying to provide for our own need through
them, like a need of this or that and whatever.
And so anyway, it just, it's, it's just getting in the way, but so what we
can do, uh, for the rest of the time is we can either, if you've got something
else, we can, we can talk through that.
And if not, what we can do is, uh, unless you'd like to do it by yourself, we
could go to the Lord together and you could break those soul ties if you
would like to do that together.
If you want to do it on your own, that is perfectly fine.
I just wanted to offer it in case you wanted to.
Um, and, uh, or if you've got other things that you wanted to talk about,
we can talk about that.
So it's your time.
You just, you decide what you want to do.
And you may not even be ready yet.
You know, you may just need to kind of work through some things with the Lord
before you're ready, because again, it has to be your decision of, no, this is
what I've decided.
I think I am ready.
Yeah.
Maybe it would be helpful to do it with someone.
It's hard for me.
It's hard to decide.
I just.
Take your time.
Another thing we could just, if you want,
we can just go to the Lord and then see what happens.
So if while, you know, just talk to him about, you know,
what really is, you know,
just kind of like present them before the Lord.
Like, okay, Lord, here's me.
And I would do them one at a time.
Here's me and my nephew, or here's me and my mom.
I think I would like, yeah, I'm ready to break it off.
And I think it would be good to, yeah.
Okay. Okay, sure.
Now I'll talk some, you know, and pray and whatever,
but the majority of it'll just be you.
Yes.
So you just decide how, what it is that you want to say.
I'm not going to jump in and correct you.
Don't worry about that.
Meaning like, I'm not going to be like, okay, no, no, no.
Remember to say this.
And oh, you didn't say this.
And I'm not going to do that.
You need to feel, I'm just there to support you.
And so you just need to feel safe
that it's just between you and the Lord,
whatever you want to do.
I, no one taught me this.
I just went to the Lord and said,
Lord, this is what I want to do.
And the Lord guided me through it.
That's what he does.
So I'm just there for kind of like,
for just kind of support.
And then I'll pray with you in agreement and all of that.
But, so I just wanted you to know what to expect
so that you wouldn't have to anticipate
or be concerned about anticipating.
I wonder if Ashley's going to interject at any point.
I hope that I'm saying all of this right.
Okay, Ashley's listening too.
So I need to make sure to remember to say all these things.
No, I'm not going to say anything.
So it'll all be good.
So, because again, all of these things can happen
without, meaning like you can break off
all of these soul ties and whatever,
without even consciously knowing
what it is that you're doing.
Kind of like your sister and being in rest and all of that.
It's like, but if people can't do it,
sometimes it helps someone else.
If they can't figure out how to do it,
then it helps them kind of like,
if someone articulates for them,
hey, look, this is what you're doing.
This is how you can do it or whatever.
So point is that there's nothing magical
that you have to all try to remember.
You just feel, you're very sensitive
to be able to like feel things like,
and have spiritual insight
into what really is kind of going on.
Like, hey, I'm feeling bound.
So that's very insightful to be able to articulate that.
So you already know all that stuff.
So point is that when you go before the Lord,
you're going to sense what to say,
what's going on and how that needs to be dealt with.
It's going to be just fine.
And it doesn't, it's not complicated.
It's not hard.
You just decide that that's what you're going to do.
In fact, doing it can take a lot,
that a lot, it can be a lot faster
than me having described to you what it's like.
It can be really fast.
So anyway, it's just, you just take your time,
whatever you're going to do, so.
So Lord, we come before you
and thank you so much for Renata.
And Lord, she's got some things
that she would like to talk to you about on here
with her Lord in agreement to break these soul ties,
to be able to take advantage of
and come into agreement with the power of the gospel,
what Jesus did on the cross.
And so Father, we ask that you would just,
that we receive Lord your cleansing
of everything it is Lord that is in our lives,
Lord, that's not in agreement with you that,
and we just ask that in coming before you Lord,
that you would just cleanse us,
that you would put new clothes on us,
that you would, that you just receive this very
fully acceptingly Lord into your presence.
We ask for the presence of God the Father
and Holy Spirit, we ask that you would join us as well.
And Jesus, we ask that we would feel your presence
as our advocate Lord.
And I stand Lord again, in agreement with Renata
in presenting these people before you
and as a witness that these soul ties Lord are broken
so that everything in the spirit realm,
whether in heaven or whether in the second heaven
with all of the evil spirits Lord,
that everything would recognize
that this is actually officially been done in his final.
I thank you Lord for the revelation of being a King.
And I choose to reveal myself in the presence here of Lucas, Caleb, and my mom, as a king
and the authority that has been given to me by God.
And in the name of Jesus, I just cut all ties that are unhealthy, emotional ties that have
been come between me and Lucas, in the name of Jesus.
I thank you, Jesus, that I, by my intention and my will, can, in the heavenly, and it's
done in heaven, as it is on earth, I cut in the name of Jesus, all unhealthy ties to Lucas,
all physical, emotional, and if there's any spiritual ties that has gone on, has been
between us, I just cut it in the name of Jesus.
And I just set him free, fully set him free to just be himself, fully the way that you
intended him to be, and to not be unhealthily tied to me.
In the name of Jesus, I just cleanse anything between us that has been in any control on
my part.
I just repent of control that I've held in his life.
Maybe not wantonly, but that still be there.
Forgive me, Jesus, for trying to, in a way, control him, or the love between us, and because
I was fearful of losing him.
I just repent of that.
And I thank you, Jesus, that these ties have been cut, and what has been done in heaven
is also done on earth.
And I thank you for that freedom that you paid so dearly for, and that I can live in
a healthy relationship with Lucas.
And in the name of Jesus, I just cut all unhealthy ties with Caleb, the older nephew.
Cut all unhealthy ties, soul ties, with him, in the name of Jesus.
By my intention and will, I choose to cut them.
Let your will be done on heaven as it is on earth.
And I also set him free, fully free to live his own life, and to believe and think whatever
he wants to believe and think.
And he's free from any kind of things that I've been holding against him.
And I also want to repent if there's been any control on my part, or any kind of emotional
needs to him and Lucas, I just want to repent of that.
Please forgive me and set me fully free to let them both live freely the way that you
intended them to, and for me to have the rightful place in their lives, the way that you want
me to.
And not in a needy way, not in a controlling way, not in a way that it's tying me down
to them.
So I just let both of them go, Caleb and Lucas, and I just bless them with everything good
from you, everything that you have, that you will just shower them with your love and
your grace and your mercy and the knowledge of who you are.
They can live in freedom with you, and for Caleb to one day reunite with you.
But also in that I just set him free to go on his own walk, that he can find you in his
timing and he can be allowed to be wherever he is, and that I'm not going to control his
belief in you or not believe in you.
I just set him free to be on his own journey with you, and I thank you that you are in
control, and that you are in control of both of their lives, and that I don't have to carry
them or hold them.
So I also just release myself of the responsibility of not having to hold them or carry them.
I just release myself from the things that I've held on to.
And lastly, in the name of Jesus, I just cut unhealthy ties, soul ties, with my mom.
All of them, all the ties that have come from her side and the ties that have come from
my side, I cut them with my intention, with my will.
I intentionally cut all the ties between us that are unhealthy, all the soul ties.
all the emotional things between us. And I set both of us free.
And I forgive her for controlling, being controllive
and manipulative. And I ask you to forgive me for bitterness and
resentment towards her. Forgive me for holding things against
her for being in resistance. And I set her free to just be
whoever she is and that she does not have to change. I
release her from the need to change from the need to meet my
needs be a different way to not be controlling to live her own
life. I just release her from any expectations that I'm
holding on to her for her to change and be different or be
the way she was before or all the other things that I'm
holding against her. I just fully release her to be wherever
she is, even the bad things, even the hard things Lord. And I
set my free myself free from the control that I've been feeling
for her. And I choose to not receive it to not be
manipulated and not follow in the steps that she sometimes
taking to control me. I choose to put a hedge of protection
around me on my physical and emotional and spiritual being
and to set myself free to live the way that I choose to not
being controlled what she wants me to do. And I bless her Lord,
I pray that you will come with your spirit and lead her and
guide her and give her all the things, all the goodness of your
heart to her. I pray that she will feel loved. I pray for all
three of them that they will feel loved by you, and that you
will reach them wherever they are, and shower them with love
and grace, and that you will show them how good you are at
the different places where they're at. And I also forgive
Caleb and Lucas for the things that they've done towards me in
rebellion and in maybe resentment that they've had
towards me. And anything that I've noticed or not noticed
that come towards me, I just set them free and I forgive them.
And I will not hold not hold it against them. I let go of any
anger and bitterness that I have towards all three of them. And I
thank you that you fully cleanse can fully cleanse it and I choose
in faith to live in connection with them the way that you
intended me to. I set them free and I set myself free from the
unhealthiness of our relationship and I choose to
live in freedom. I let them go in freedom and I choose to live
in freedom in relationship with them. And I thank you that I can
in faith choose to believe that you will guide me and how to
interact with them. And that I don't have to feel a thing. I
can just choose it because you say that it's possible and you
say that that's what you want for our family and that's what
you want for me and I can choose to do it no matter what I feel
or whatever feels the right or good that I can just know that
that I can that it's something that you want and I can choose
your will over my own your reality over my own
Lord, I stand in agreement with Renata of everything more that
she said and thank you for that, through new through Jesus, that
all of those things have been done. Thank you for giving us
that gift. Thank you for giving Renata that gift. Thank you for
giving Renata the gift of freedom and show her Lord how
to walk in this new freedom. Give her a love that she has
never felt and that she's never known. Give her give her
clarity, Lord, help her to see these people Lord through your
eyes and through the eyes of Jesus love and his compassion
and his understanding and his wisdom and how to interact with
them and pray that her their spirit would know and would see
things and would be able to to speak those those truths in over
their lives and pray that they
be greatly touched and impacted, Lord, by her spirit. And thank you, God the Father and Holy
Spirit and Jesus for being with us during this time and for standing together, not just as
witnesses, Lord, Holy Spirit, but also as the advocate, Jesus, and for receiving all of this
as the great judge, Lord, the great lawmaker, the one who has determined
truth. And pray that all of these things, Lord, would be written in the scrolls,
that there would be no question in the future about whether or not this has been done,
that nothing would have the right to come against Renata and get her to question or to doubt whether
or not this has happened, no matter what interactions may occur, Lord, between her
and these other people. And just pray that you would send, that you would set up angels to
enforce what Renata has come to agreement with you on regarding her severing these unhealthy
connections. And we ask that beautiful, healthy relationships, Lord, would be established.
In Jesus's name, amen. Amen. That's exciting, Renata. Oh, my word.
That was so good, right? I was feeling all kinds of things.
You were? Yes, especially when you were talking,
when you were severing things with Caleb, I felt it. I was like, oh, that was powerful.
Yeah, that was very exciting. Yeah, it was just at the very, even the just the very beginning of
the prayer when you said that you were going to cut everything. And I was just like, oh,
I just felt it was very exciting. So good. Thank you. And you could tell that you were just being
led by the Spirit, the things that you were saying, I was like, yes, that that's the Father's
heart. That's Jesus's heart, you know, asking, you know, God, I free them from ever having to
change. So important. And, and it's anyway, it's really cool. So I knew I was like, okay,
she's hearing the Spirit. Because when I went before the Lord about things, that's the one of
the things that he always talks to me about, is actually release them from ever having to change.
But I don't hear other people talking about it. So when I heard you saying, I'm like,
see, she hears the same Holy Spirit. That's exciting. I'm so excited for you. But yeah,
so and then like I prayed, I asked the Lord, you know, because we're not used to walking in this
freedom. So it all sounds great. But we don't really know how to do it. Like, okay, what do
I do with this much freedom? Because freedom, when we're used to not being free, is scary.
And even when it's not scary, it's confusing. Or it's like, I don't understand what do I do now?
Because I used I knew I had an established routine or habit of interacting with them like this.
And that the things that were in me that would prompt or motivate it or found or would get the
foundation for these actions is no longer there. So now what do I do? You know? So anyway, so I'm
very excited for you. So how did you feel? What was your experience?
I was a little bit in the beginning, I was like, what is the right thing to do?
But then I tried to just let it go and just like, pray whatever came to me to my mind.
Oh, I don't have to Oh, I forgot about this. It's not so important if you
what you know, it's like, whatever comes to your mind. Yeah. And I could tell that I've
that it felt good. Like I was doing like this, I think. Or like, like,
if you're working, you're physically letting something go up your shoulders.
So your body even feels it that your breath and your body feels it. And I also thought about the
thing with letting my mom allowing her to be the way she is. And just the other things. Yeah.
Yeah. And it felt good to
Yeah, it just felt good to go through it and to have someone be a witness of it.
Hmm. Yeah, great. I'm so excited for you. It was wonderful. Like I said, I was like,
she's doing it Lauren. It's real, you know, and I was it always, I was, as you can tell,
I always get tickled pink, when people are truly connecting with the Holy Spirit and speaking
out that as opposed to, Oh, I'm going to try to get this right.
You know, I could tell from what you were saying and the spirit in which you were saying it, I'm
like, okay, she really is being, letting herself be guided by the Holy spirit and just trusting
that she hears him. And that whatever he says is what is needed for the thing to actually happen.
Cause that's what we want to do. We want to, well, I want this thing to happen. And you were
entrusting that you didn't have to memorize the formula or know exactly what to do or make sure
you not forget something, but they're just like, well, what does he say? Yeah. You know, and to
just, and so that's why I was, you know, commending you at the beginning of, um, about, you know,
before we ever prayed about the fact that you are so sensitive, you, you, um, to the spirit that you,
um, that you sense what, um, uh, you know, you sense what it is that he's saying and you
submit yourself to that. And, and so many people don't do that or, and because they,
they either don't trust it or the, the big thing, especially with people that are attracted to the
rest intensive, they don't trust themselves. They don't think, oh, you know, I think that
that's probably just me. That's not the spirit or whatever. Anyway. So greatly convinced you for
that. So you have a very strong, um, uh, uh, I don't know, just that I just felt that the,
the Lord's, that was one of the things I was feeling when you were praying
and the Lord's great pleasure in you. Um, and what it is that you have, how you've chosen to
submit yourself, um, to him and make yourself available to him and whatever. Um, and so the
last thing I just, I want to say and encourage you in is life does not have to be this hard.
Life does not have. Yeah. Life does not have to be as hard as you've lived it. And as hard
as you thought it had to be, as much as you thought that was required of you. Um, and the,
one of the ways you can know that is watch other people's lives that aren't being so hard and
vigilant as you, and then watch how much they enjoy life and how you can feel God's pleasure
even though they're not doing as much or working as hard as you. So know that that is your heart
and there's your spirit and that you can effortlessly please the Lord and obey him
without life being so hard to do. I just want to encourage you. That was just something that
came to mind. Thank you. And you can ask the Lord what that means and therefore how to live life,
you know, because it all sounds good, but how, how to, how do you do it differently than the way
that you've been doing it? You know, that these are questions, you know, that I not just have,
but still ask the Lord, you know, because I, I help people as much as I have moved into, um,
rest, but then there are areas that I haven't moved into rest in, you know? And so it just
always ask the Lord, okay, Lord, how do I, um, uh, how do, um, you intended life to be easier
than I'm allowing it to be. So show me how to live it different, you know, through my life.
Will it affect a lot of relationship and your work and a lot of like, does it, does it becomes, um,
the cosmic is out of balance before it becomes into balance. Like we talked about in the beginning.
Oh yeah. Yeah. Remember it's the whole thing of everything that is that you, that is in
disalignment or unalignment with the Lord is going to become evident when you become more
aligned with him. And so now there's, there's, uh, there's an alignment between you and everything
else. Now that there's alignment between you and God, there's an alignment between
you and everything else. So you're calling on them, meaning like other people's souls
or creation or trees or flowers or whatever it is, or environment or situations. You're calling
it now to giving it an opportunity. You're presenting a son of God to it. So it has the
opportunity to come into alignment, to respond to the spirit of God within you. Um, and cause you
know, Christ lives within us. And anyway, so until that, see it in certain ways, it's easier
if creation is not in alignment.
and you're not in alignment with God, but you're in alignment with creation and y'all are all kind
of like believing the same thing. Things look easier because y'all are all in agreement. You're
all in alignment and God says, no, come out of agreement with that. Come into agreement with me,
but then it's still doing its other thing. But what you can do is because you're in alignment
with the Lord, that is gives creation the opportunity to come into alignment as well.
That's the overcoming. It's the overcoming of the flesh, the overcoming of the lies that you,
your soul, your body, other people, flowers, trees, or whatever have been believing lies that it's
been believing about God. You're now presenting a different truth than what you've been presenting
previously in your life. You're now presenting, you know, God actually is as loving as necessity
as he is as good as he says he is, et cetera. And it has the opportunity to choose how it
wants to respond. The majority of creation will respond favorably, but it will be hard until it
does. And I think I told you this. I think I told it to the group at one point that I started seeing
all of this when sometime when I was working and I kept telling the Lord, Lord, something feels
wrong. Or is something wrong with me Lord? Because every situation that I get, I was noticing this
in business, every situation that I get, that I get put into, like say for instance, I get put on
a project or whatever. It all goes to hell in a hand basket really fast. As soon as I'm added
to the project, Lord, am I carrying something spiritually negative around? You know, is,
is this something that am I causing so much upheaval and that all of these bad things start
happening as soon as I start to be added to projects? Because I said, I said it eventually,
Lord, eventually everything works out great. Eventually, you know, everything comes, I didn't
know this word at the time, but everything eventually comes into alignment. Everything
eventually becomes healthier than it was before. The problem gets fixed and meaning like not just
the problem that was created, but like the problem that I was hired for, it gets fixed and other
people couldn't fix it. And you know, the impossible has happened now and this is all wonderful and
everybody thinks I'm great. And now they want to put me on another project. And then that project
goes to hell in a hand basket as soon as I arrive. And you know, it's like, Lord, am I, is something
bad about me? And am I bringing in something negative, even though eventually Lord, you used
me to help fix it and it's all good. And it's so much better than it ever was before I joined,
but, and I helped fix the, and you helped me, you know, help fix the problem. I go through all of
this difficulty and the project goes through all this difficulty and all the people go through all
this difficulty until we get there. So, you know, is there something negative? And, and he showed me
that no, actually that stuff was already there. The thing is that's why things weren't working.
So when you come in, you're bringing in the authority of the kingdom of God. And so now all
of this sudden, every, all of the mess and the chaos that was already there, all of a sudden
becomes highlighted. It's like your presence bringing in the presence of God triggers all
of the ugliness to come to light, you know, the situation or the people or the unhealthy dynamics
or whatever. And, but actually, because you continue to hold me as the standard and, and
continue to bring in my, the, the, my authority, then everything eventually has the opportunity.
It all has the opportunity of how it's to choose how it's going to respond.
And the majority of it ends up usually responding and coming into alignment and fixing. And then
that which is refuses to stay in alignment, you know, it, it goes away and, and whatever. And
eventually all of this stuff gets, gets fixed. So he was just showing me, actually, no, it was always
there. He said, that's why I needed you. I needed you to bring in my presence and the authority of
the kingdom of God so that it has the kingdom of God to choose to respond to, is it going to come
into alignment or is it going to refuse? And just as a total side note, some things that don't,
if the whole thing refuses to come into alignment, then God will, will do, will remove you.
Yeah, because I have experienced this, but I also have experienced, no, not the same thing as you,
obviously, but something that's same idea, but I've also felt sometimes that you.
come out to things and it doesn't work out but it doesn't mean that you gave it opportunity to
come into alignment and it chose not to. Correct. So it doesn't mean necessarily that you brought in
something bad. No, it means it was there and it's responding to the Christ within you
and if it is not in alignment to the Christ within you it's going to act out,
it's going to act even worse because it can't because light is being shown on the darkness
and therefore it can't hide anymore is my point and so therefore it becomes very obvious to
everybody. So anyway just I don't know why we've got to start talking about that but there you go
and oh because we were talking about the unalignment you were talking about does
everything sometimes seem worse before it gets better. Yeah because everything that you used to
that was familiar and that you used to be in alignment with you're no longer in alignment
with it. You're now in alignment with the Lord and so but that is how we release and free creation
from frustration. We have to come into alignment with the Lord and that and then creation
and then presenting ourselves as a son of God now gives creation the opportunity to receive that
same freedom from us through it's Christ's freedom through us because you know but
until it chooses that it's not in alignment and so it's going to look ugly. So it has the
opportunity to come into alignment or not. It gets to make its own choice and sometimes it
chooses not to. It usually does but sometimes it doesn't and then remember what Jesus did to the
fig tree when it didn't feed him. It says you didn't feed a son of God and so I'm going to curse you.
So it so in other words it he said you know you have to always come into alignment with the son
of God with a son of God. In other words the the spirit of God himself you know that's within you
and if it doesn't well there's consequences and so anyway like I said and just like he sent the
disciples out. He sent the disciples to the to the villages and he said you know someone receives you
he said you know be received into their house and allow your spirit and your peace to stay
and all that because you've been received but if a town refuses to receive you he said leave
and shake the dust of it off your feet and so because they were presented with the spirit
of God and they said no. So don't allow your peace to stay. He said you know take your
peace back to you it says. Shake the dust off your feet and leave and so anyway you just kind
of have to but that's what he told the disciples to do. So the thing is that he's always talking
about give everyone a chance. Give everything a chance. If the Lord is telling you I don't mean
like it's good to go into all the bad places and all that. You have to go according to the
Lord's direction but my point is anything that he calls you to whether or not he's calling you
God is sending an angel or he's sending other people or he's he's giving everyone an opportunity
and he's giving all of creation eventually an opportunity to choose them and so he's he's
like I said he's giving everyone a chance everyone an opportunity. So
but yeah and then they get to decide what they want to do.
Okay well it was good to get to know you. Thank you. You're welcome. You are welcome and I'm
very much looking forward to hearing how how things go. You know how you feel you know and
respond and all that. So yes I'm excited to see. All right good to see you later. Bye.