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Hi Ashley.

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No, that's fine.

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How are you.

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And how are you doing good. What time is it there is it like 730. Yeah. Is it still dark.

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Oh no, no. Okay.

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It's. Is it, is it dark at 730, where you are. No, it's just that you, you have your curtain closed in behind you.

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Maybe it was just hard.

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No, no.

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Yeah, I just got up a little while ago. So, okay.

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Well you already looked bright eyed and bushy tailed so.

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And I was going to grab my notes.

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My dog just woke up, and she gets a greenie in the morning. Hang on justice. Oh sure. Yeah.

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And she's waiting over here.

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She's got her breakfast but she's going to have to wait.

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there you go.

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There you go.

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All right, hold on I was going to get something to write on.

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Yeah. Okay.

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Sorry I'm set now. No, you're fine. So how have you been.

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Good.

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I'm having trouble with my, my right eye.

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And I've had trouble with it before it's all. You can't probably tell but it's all, it's red and puppy.

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And I'm a bit concerned because the last time I saw the eye doctor. He said it was pink guy, but I don't think it was pink guy really.

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And if it happens again.

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We'll have to do lab which means biopsy.

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Yes.

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And I was, I was. Well, I've had this.

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What sounds extreme.

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Yeah, well, the thing was, well, that's too involved but he

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I missed an appointment, because, you know, I forgot I had an appointment with him one time.

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And it's like he's been angry at me.

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I'm sorry.

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So, like I, when I went in there.

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When I had this. I think the last time, time before this.

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He just looked at it didn't really examine me and said, think I gave me a prescription.

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So,

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and the last and see, he always used to check me for glaucoma.

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And the last time I went in, you know, my eye was OK, it wasn't red.

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So not like this, but anyway, so he wasn't even going to check my eye pressure.

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So I asked him to check the eye, you know, it's kind of weird.

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I'm sorry. Did you need to get another doctor?

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I'm kind of thinking that.

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Just one that you feel.

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I mean, that's it's a.

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It really does mean a lot when we feel like we can, like,

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trust the people that we're getting help from, you know?

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And so regardless of whether or not what you're saying is true,

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if you don't feel like it's true, you know, if you don't feel safe,

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you don't feel comfortable, then it makes the whole situation really challenging.

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So, yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah. So

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there's another there's a couple other doctors there.

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One of them is really nice, really a young guy.

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And he had diagnosed, well, that there was skin was coming off my cornea.

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Hmm. I never heard.

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I didn't know I had skin on my cornea.

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Yeah, I don't know.

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Maybe that's how we refer to it, but maybe it's just like that.

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So, yeah. Yeah.

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Anyway, and I really liked him. Oh, good.

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Yeah. So I'm going to see if I can get an appointment with him.

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That's a good idea. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, yeah.

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So that's and today I start my radiation therapy.

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I was going to ask when when do you start?

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Because I thought it was really soon.

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I thought if you hadn't already, that it was like this week or something.

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Yeah. Well, I hope it goes well now.

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Remind me, this is your second bout with cancer.

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Have you had radiation before?

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I somehow got the impression that this was like you hadn't done this before.

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when they did the lumpectomy before, there weren't clear margins,

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so they had to do a mastectomy.

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Oh, OK. So if you get a mastectomy,

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they don't do radiation.

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Oh, OK. There's no need to do radiation.

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I didn't know that. OK.

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Well, I mean, it makes sense. It's just. Yeah.

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So this time

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they had clear margins when they did the surgery.

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So that's why they're, you know, doing that. Yeah. So.

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Yeah, haven't had this before.

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It's going to be interesting.

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Well, remind me, we'll pray before and before we go and about it

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that you just feel have comfort

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and during the process and,

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you know, our body responds well to it and and doesn't have

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and doesn't have those, you know, unpleasant adverse effects of radiation,

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you know, where you just don't feel good afterwards and stuff.

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So hopefully. Yeah. Yeah.

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So I want to keep working.

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Yeah. I remember you saying that. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. So, I mean, I'm I would

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I'm at peace about it, but there's still a little bit of anxiety, like,

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yeah, how am I you know, how how is my body going to like you were saying,

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how's my body going to react to this?

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And, you know, hopefully I can keep working.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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So what would you like to go over today?

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Is it is it that or is it what aspect of that or is it

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something else that, you know, what would you like to kind of focus on?

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Well. You brought up something really interesting last night

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about how we rehearse beforehand and after

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rehearse and reply. Yeah.

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I do that a lot.

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Do you really? Yeah, very common.

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Yeah. And I hadn't.

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You know, I hadn't really.

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Especially, I mean.

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I mean, not so heavy on the rehearse,

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but on the replay replay, like if if I if I think,

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oh, I didn't say that right or they probably took that wrong or, you know.

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Mm hmm. I do that a lot.

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The replay and, you know, overanalyze maybe

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maybe not as bad as before as. Yeah.

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But still some really.

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lies in things. And it's like, Lindsay in her Facebook Live

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said, you know, it was more wondering if she was pleasing

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God. And you know, it was more than mine is more people

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pleasing. You know, like, like, say, at work. Most of the time,

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it's fine. But, you know, maybe I've, after a meeting, I think,

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Well, did I say that right? Or? Yeah. So you said you just move

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on, you stop your mind from thinking that way.

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Yeah, so I just was very, and you can use the word

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disciplined with myself, meaning like, I just, when I would find

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myself wanting to go back and, and rethink, or, in other words,

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remember what had happened, stop myself and not allow myself to

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remember, not allow myself to go back and, you know, bring to

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mind and bring to memory, something that had happened

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already in the past. And, and I mean, seriously, it was it, it

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powerfully worked, it was very challenging to do as in, it was

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hard to stick with telling myself no, and obeying myself.

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It was it was challenging. It's not that it was hard as in,

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like, well, you know, I had to fight my I, I kept trying to

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audit, kept trying to do it. And I, and then I kept fighting

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myself and whatever. It's just that the desire to do it was so

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strong, that I had to be very firm with myself and not allow

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myself to do to go there. But once I did it, and that's what

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I was trying to encourage Kate in yesterday, I said, once I did

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it, it was extremely powerful in what it broke off of me, what it

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set me free from, even just doing it once powerfully broke

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something in me, it's like I finally came out of. And it's

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like I made that initial choice of coming out of agreement with

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something and it really did impact me that much. So anyway,

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but I, I just was very disciplined in the fact that I

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if I told myself, no, I'm not going to, I would not let

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myself, even if I felt, you know, even if I wanted to talk

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myself into Yeah, but this is a different situation. Or Yeah,

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but this, you know, that this is different, or this is a unique

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situation, just like, nope, not, I'm not gonna let myself

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rehearse it, I'm doing it or replay it. Because the reason

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that I'm doing it is I'm doubting myself. I'm doubting

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that. I did a good job, I'm doubting that they still like

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me, I think that I've, it comes, it, it can originate from a lot

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of things. But one of the things that can originate from is self

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doubt from believing that we're actually very destructive, that

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we're destructive beings that we have a propensity to hurt other

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people simply by being ourselves. And that's bogus. You

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know, we don't need to be thinking so that we that we have

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it that other people have a tendency to be destroyed, or

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hurt by being around us. And we just have to stop like, you

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know, not allow ourselves to go there, we have to see ourselves,

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we have to choose that we are who God has declared us to be

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that we have that value that we as sons of God actually have his

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character. And then we need to learn to live more and more from

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that character. But the same thing that I've been repeating

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multiple times is we have to receive ourselves exactly as we

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are, without, without requiring ourselves to be different.

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Meaning that we just have to love ourselves and accept

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ourselves unconditionally without requiring ourselves to

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ever change, then we'll feel safe enough to change, we'll

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feel safe enough then to grow into and default back to acting

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as a son of God, you know, out of our being instead of being so

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afraid and operating out of trying to follow the rules in

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order to make sure we do everything right. In order to

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protect ourselves from other people in order to make sure

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that God is pleased with this by how we treated other people and,

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and, and all that. So anyway, that that for me was really big

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was stepping out in faith. So having the faith and deciding,

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okay, if this is what God says about me, that I'm going to

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that that is the reality. In other words, I'm going to choose that that is who I am,

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because I don't feel like that's who I am. And I don't think that that's who I am.

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But if he says it, I'm going to choose that that actually is true. I'm not going to hope

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or wish that it's true. That won't work. I have to make a decision that it's true.

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And it'll feel like I'm just making up whatever it is that I wish were true and that I want to

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believe. But it can't have that feeling of wish in it or want or hope or whatever. It has to be

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a marked decision that I've decided that this is who I am. Now, we're not making it up because

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God said it first, but it's going to feel so it will feel in such opposition to how we've typically

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been making decisions because we've been making decisions based on what on how we feel or what

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we think. And now we have to base our decision in actually something that God said in violation

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of what we think and what we feel. And that's a challenge to do, but we just have to do it.

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And then when we do that, then we actually think, OK, if I if I believe that, then how would I act?

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Because we always act on what we believe. So if that is my new choice and that's my new belief,

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how would what would I do? Well, I wouldn't replay it because because the only reason I'm replaying

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it is I'm doubting that I handled it correctly. I'm doubting that I am believing that maybe I like

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damaged somebody else, you know, et cetera. And and we and instead we have to think, no,

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God says that I am not destructive to other people. I'm life giving. So therefore, I gave life

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and now I can move on and into something else. And so there's no need to replay it. There's

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no need to expend double or triple the energy on on a conversation that took five minutes to have

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or whatever. The fact that you started and then you stopped and then it was over and then you

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moved on. So why on earth are we taking all this time in which we're not in this situation?

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Why are we expending more energy on a situation that's no longer present? We've moved on. So why

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on earth are we giving like three to four times the energy on something that's already come and

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ended? So that's what I decided to do is I thought, OK, well, if I believe this, then how would I act?

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What decision would I make? And I thought, well, I wouldn't replay it. And so I stopped doing it.

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And that that made a huge difference because, like I said, it broke an agreement. It made a

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different agreement with a new truth by, you know, by not replaying it. And it's that it's the new

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choice that actually had the power to change something. It's not the not replaying it.

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It's the intentional choice that I'm making to believe that what God says is true.

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It's actually the thing that has the power to break me free from that bondage that I was in

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that was replaying things, et cetera. It's it's breaking me of my self-doubt. It's breaking me of my

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my belief that I'm like destructive to myself and to other people.

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So that's really what it is that we're doing.

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Yeah. And, you know, I hadn't that whole thing about being destructive.

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Yeah, that is really true. Yeah, we can't believe that. Yeah.

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Yeah. Oh, boy.

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But what if, you know, maybe you were in a bad mood or something when you spoke

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and then, you know, you were grumpy. Do you need to go back and apologize? Because a lot of times

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I think, oh, I need to go back. And and that's partly why we.

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I mean, most of the time I'm not, you know, it's fine, you know, as far as my attitude.

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One time. We'd started a project and then the guy left the company,

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then I had to explain the whole thing all over again to somebody else.

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Yeah. So I wasn't very happy about it. And

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so, you know, I just kind of felt like my attitude wasn't right.

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And kind of got off.

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on the wrong foot with this other person. So I replay it. You know, I replayed it,

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because I'm trying to figure out, do I need to go back and apologize to that person?

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Do you ever go back and apologize? Well, maybe you don't have the same problem.

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Oh, no, no, absolutely. And I'm trying to think of how to determine what or wouldn't.

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And well, if I do, for one thing, one of the things that I realized is, and I had to have a

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lot of people telling me this over a lot of years, that I saw things, I was so sensitive,

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that I saw myself as, as being more mean than other people were taking me to be.

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And that they really were not being offended or, or even knew that I was upset. I did.

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And I knew that that wasn't a normal attitude for me. And I wouldn't normally talk like that

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and know everybody else, because they were used to people for that being other people,

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everybody else's norm. And that if they were mean, they were like, really mean,

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they didn't even notice that I had my attitude. And so that was one thing that I had to realize

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is, okay, well, how sensitive am I being? And am I actually not? Is it not something that anybody

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else noticed? And then I would just apologize the Lord, if I felt that it kind of fell in that

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category, if it was anything like more major, well, then I would apologize. But the by doing so,

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it if I mean, if I would do so, it's just, I wouldn't do it in the same way that I used to,

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which is like groveling and or even if I wouldn't grovel, how would I how would I put that it's

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just, just coming at it from this perspective that I'm shamed. And I'm just so sorry. And in

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other words, making a big deal out of it, I would apologize without making a big deal of it.

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You know, honor the other person, because that's what I'm trying to do by apologizing. So I would

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make sure that it was it was honorable, but I wouldn't make too big of a deal of it, I would

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just make it sincere and then leave it. Now, it was another really big thing for me to learn

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is in just like in not replaying things, that when I would apologize for offenses that I wouldn't,

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that I wouldn't dwell on them, even with the other person, I wouldn't dwell on them,

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I would just be sincere and then boom, and then and then move on. I wouldn't take a lot of time

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on it. I wouldn't try to explain a lot. I would just get it done and move on. And I wouldn't allow

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myself like the the luxury of assuaging my, my, you know, my self made religious, religious

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conscience. I like spending a lot of time on it and like, yeah, a big deal of it. So because it's

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kind of similar to the idea that long, that short prayers are for God and long prayers are for our

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soul. It's that kind of an idea is like, just realize that as long as that is the, the apology

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is just sincere, you know, and meaning like, you're, you know, you're really serious, you're

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very intentional about it, when you're doing it, and just make it short, and just sincere,

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and that'll be that's, and that's enough, as opposed to like the longevity, or of it or

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the intensity or anything, it just needs sincerity.

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Yeah, I think there's probably shame in there, and you're, you're trying to make up for it.

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Correct, assuage this, the shame, and you're paying for it is what you're trying to do.

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You're trying to pay through guilt and shame for what it is that you've done, whether it's to God,

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yourself, or to someone else, whoever it is that we think that we're trying to assuage,

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we're trying to pay with it. And so we have to choose no, if God says that I'm not shamed,

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and I'm not condemned, then what would I do? How would I act, etc.

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That's a big thing.

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Oh, it's very big. Yeah, but again, and stuff like that, it's really hard, because there's reasons

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why we that there's reasons why we replay things. And there's reasons why we take a long time,

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or are very intense about our apologies. There's reasons why we're doing that. So to not allow

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ourselves to go there is can be can be very challenging, because we, we feel like we are

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putting ourselves in a place in which we're not in, in which we're unsafe. Because we're doing

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all those things in order to try to protect ourselves. So what we're having to do, and this

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is how it's

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stepping out in faith is we are choosing

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that God is gonna be our protector.

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And that, and we release it to him,

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we release the outcome to him,

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based off of the faith that we are not shamed,

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we are not condemned, we are not destructive.

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And I love the example that God spoke to Lindsay about,

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in reminding her about that ancient Jewish culture,

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you know, that she mentioned in her journey share,

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I thought that was amazing.

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Of just connecting that,

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connecting that God is going to,

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that idea from that ancient Jewish culture,

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to the fact that God will cover us

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when we go out and have relationships with other people

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and interact with other people,

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that we just do our best.

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We're trying to learn who,

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what is it like to be a son of God

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under the sonship covenant?

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What is that like to live like that,

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to live within that sonship covenant?

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And then we just trust God to cover us while we're learning.

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Yeah.

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And to help take that weight and that responsibility

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that allows us to live free,

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to just be, even during the learning process.

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And like I said, it's hard.

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So what we have to choose is that we're choosing God

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and we're choosing learning to live like a son

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over what it is that, over the self-protection

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and self-preservation of relationships

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and everything else that we feel like we're risking

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by not replaying things

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or by not making the apologies so intense

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and I don't know, groveling or full of shame

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or however you would phrase that.

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That we're choosing instead to learn,

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even if we're making mistakes while we do it,

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to learn to live like a son rather than protect ourselves

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and preserve the relationships that we have

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by trying to follow specific formulas

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to try to control an outcome.

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And we have to let that go and choose instead

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as more important to us.

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It choose that acting and being like a true son of God

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is more important to us.

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We have to choose that.

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Allow God to, and allow to, and trust

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that God has the grace to cover us

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and protect us in our mistakes while we're learning.

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Yeah.

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I do that sometimes too, when I give a message,

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you know, when I've spoken,

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I mean, I don't speak that much anymore,

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but, you know, I have some opportunities coming up,

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but I know in the past, I've looked at what I said

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and, oh, I should have said it this way.

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It would have, oh, I should have added this in

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or not said that.

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It's the same sort of thing, don't you think?

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Yes, it is.

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In fact, what got me over that was a little bit of both.

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Partly it was, I refuse to allow myself to replay things.

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And then, you know, that all of my teachings are recorded.

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So see, I had that opportunity to go back and watch stuff.

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So one, I've done it both ways.

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I've done it where I don't allow myself

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to go back and watch.

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And then I've done it where I allow myself

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to go back and watch.

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And when I do, I realize that I did just fine.

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And I realized that I spoke better than I felt

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that I did in the time, that it came across very clearly.

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And at the time I thought that it wasn't,

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I thought that it wasn't building on itself

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in a way that people would be understood.

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And then I watched it and realized, no, that was just fine.

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It was, so I realized that there was no point

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in doubting myself and to just allow myself

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to just kind of flow with the spirit

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and just whatever came out, allow it to come out

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and not second guess myself.

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Because when I watched, went back and watched the replays,

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I thought, oh, well, my goodness,

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that was so much better than I thought that it was.

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In fact, not only was it not bad, it was really good.

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And while I was in it though,

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while I was going through the teaching, I'd be like,

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I really don't feel like I can get my footing.

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You know, I really am struggling here.

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And in fact, I was listening to someone the other day teach.

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And then they confided in me later.

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They were like so embarrassed.

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They were like, oh my word.

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I just felt like I lost my footing at the very beginning of the teaching.

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And then I could never get it again.

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So I was just fumbling all over the place.

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And I thought, and I told them this, I said, I'm really surprised

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to hear you, to hear you say that because I thought it was great.

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In fact, while you were talking, I was thinking, this is so wonderful.

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I wish that they would talk more, you know, and while they were sitting

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there thinking like, Hey, I'm used to talking in front of people.

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And I felt very, I felt like I couldn't get ever get a foothold in, in my, in

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the, in the flow of the teaching and kind of grab a hold of like moving in the

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spirit or whatever they were saying.

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And, and I said, are you kidding?

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I thought the opposite.

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I thought it was perfect.

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I thought you spoke right to what needed to be spoken to in the moment.

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Anyway, so we just doubt ourselves a lot more than is necessary.

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So I've just learned that however it is that I taught, it really was, and I'm

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just using teaching as an example, because it's, you know, like what you

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brought up, it's just some kind of something that where you're presenting

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yourself to other people and you question.

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You know, how did I present myself?

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How did I teach?

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How did I talk?

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You know, was it useful?

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Was it successful?

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Was it, you know, did it hit home?

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And, um, and I've just had, and I've just learned, nope, the Lord can cut the

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Lord covers me and the Lord, um, and there's more being done in the spirit

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than I am realizing, or that I, or that is actually connected at all to how I

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said it, that I, that the spirit is moving and doing things even, uh,

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regardless of how, how polished that I may or may not sound, which I don't

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think that I have, I mean, I can teach, I can teach and I can speak fun public,

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but there's some multiple things that I think that I don't do as well as other

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people in, in, in speaking and in teaching.

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And therefore I noticed those things and I just have to realize, you know what?

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That's just who I am and where I am right now on my teaching and speaking skills.

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And so God uses me in the spirit and he doesn't have to rely on my, on my style

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or on my skill, he just allows you just.

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You know, the power, just like Paul said that he mentions this as well.

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He said that, that, that the power is in the spirit, not in what you say, but yeah.

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Yeah.

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But yeah.

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So when I teach as well, I, um, I just have to let it go and be like, okay, there

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it was, Laura, do with it what you want, because yeah, and then just go on, like

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truly in faith, like, okay, God, if you say that, um, you know, if I'm going to

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trust that this really was good, that you really are using it, I just did my best.

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I'm not saying that it looks the best, most polished I've ever been, or I've

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ever spoken, it's just Lord, when I was in the moment, I was in the moment

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and I was just being me.

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And so Lord, just, I just asked that you use me and then I move on.

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But yeah.

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Yeah, that's good.

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Yeah.

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Cause I, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not

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you know, that comes up all the time.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, uh, I was, have you heard of the perspectives course?

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It's a missions course and it's, you know, worldwide now pretty much, but, um, I've

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attended it a couple of times and I was on the coordination committee, um, last

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year and I, I wrote a devotional using some of my experiences in Japan and I was

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presenting it and I think what I wrote was really good is presenting it to give to

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them.

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I, um, I forgot something, you know, I was, it was like the last, um, was it the last

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gathering?

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I think it was.

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And we had people from mission organizations there.

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And, and I, I lost what I was wanting to say.

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And then like that friend of yours, it was like, it was like, it ruined the whole

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thing.

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I couldn't, you know, get your footing.

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Yeah.

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And then after that, and I gave it out, and I got no response,

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no response from people. Nobody said anything about it. And

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then the interesting thing was, I sent it to my Indian pastor

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friend. And he really liked it. Yeah. And he even used part of

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it in a message. Oh, wow. That's so cool. Yeah. So it was very

461
00:35:35.980 --> 00:35:42.280
interesting. But I went over my mistake, my forgetting what I

462
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:48.160
wanted to say, over and over and over so many times. Like I and I

463
00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:54.040
guess it was shame and and my way of trying to protect

464
00:35:54.040 --> 00:35:59.760
myself or Yeah, it was awful. Yeah. makes the feelings so much

465
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:05.720
worse. It does. It does. It feeds the pain. Yeah. And I

466
00:36:05.720 --> 00:36:14.080
could have just you know, just let it I mean, left the outcome

467
00:36:14.080 --> 00:36:18.280
with God. And, you know, it doesn't matter if nobody reads

468
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:25.880
it, you know, I did that out of love, and the Lord directed me

469
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:31.280
in that. And, and then, you know, the good response I got

470
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:39.560
from my Indian pastor friend. So, but it's kind of Yeah, it's

471
00:36:39.560 --> 00:36:45.360
kind of interesting how there's ways that that I protect

472
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.880
myself or we we I mean, I think people do it that you don't even

473
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:57.360
realize it. You know, like, when you make a mistake, and yeah.

474
00:37:02.040 --> 00:37:05.120
I'm muted. I didn't know why I was muted. So I was saying,

475
00:37:05.120 --> 00:37:08.200
yeah, it's like I didn't mute myself. So I don't know what I

476
00:37:08.200 --> 00:37:15.240
did. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Oh, and when I when I do zoom

477
00:37:15.240 --> 00:37:18.920
calls with them. I don't have this background. I I have a

478
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:24.400
curtain over here. I have the curtain as my background. But

479
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.880
when we have these meetings, you know, I don't Oh, yeah, don't

480
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.000
pull it all around. Yeah. I don't go to the trouble of

481
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:38.760
Yeah, I don't blame you. hiding my stuff. Yeah. And anyway, but

482
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:39.360
um,

483
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.480
yeah, that whole thing of shame. And it's like,

484
00:37:46.600 --> 00:37:50.080
the shame, it's almost like it's payment for what we've done

485
00:37:50.080 --> 00:37:54.360
wrong. Yeah. And that weird. Yeah. Just kind of like we have

486
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:59.120
the shame is as apologizing, apologizing. So Lord, I think

487
00:37:59.120 --> 00:38:04.440
that I told you, right that I had. It's me train. I've been

488
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.640
drinking coffee all morning. So I'm like, I don't want to get

489
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:13.880
taste out of my mouth. And I told you right that I had that

490
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:20.320
I had to stop apologizing to the Lord in order to get out of

491
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:25.160
using apologizing to him as payment to try to get him to

492
00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:30.400
connect with me again. Did I talk about that? I don't think

493
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:36.440
so. Okay. So when I was trying to learn to take the Lord at his

494
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:39.880
word that he that what he said about me was true. And what he

495
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:43.160
said about himself was true. And that he never loses that I

496
00:38:43.160 --> 00:38:46.080
abided in him that he always connected with me always talks

497
00:38:46.080 --> 00:38:48.240
with me if I'm always in him that I'm always connected and

498
00:38:48.240 --> 00:38:51.960
never disconnected. I never separated even when I sin. I

499
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:56.440
thought, okay, that's true. Then what would I do? And I thought,

500
00:38:56.440 --> 00:39:04.280
well, then I wouldn't feel like I had to hurry. And I wouldn't

501
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.280
feel like I was, I wouldn't believe that I was separated in

502
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.120
that I had to hurry and apologize whenever I caught

503
00:39:11.120 --> 00:39:14.640
myself doing something wrong, just in order to reconnect with

504
00:39:14.640 --> 00:39:21.560
him. And, and so, because I could tell myself that all I

505
00:39:21.560 --> 00:39:27.120
wanted, but if I kept trying, but I found that whenever I

506
00:39:27.120 --> 00:39:32.680
would apologize to him, I, I was, I had, I was so much of the

507
00:39:32.680 --> 00:39:38.720
habit of using it as a currency to reconnect with him. Like his

508
00:39:38.720 --> 00:39:43.360
payment, you know, his currency, that in order to teach myself to

509
00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:48.240
separate it from currency, and buying his affection and buying

510
00:39:48.240 --> 00:39:56.560
his connection, I had to not apologize until I made the

511
00:39:56.560 --> 00:39:59.840
point to connect with him and to ask him for

512
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:07.840
thing. In other words, take him at his word. If he says I'm not disconnected and he says he loves

513
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:14.400
me anyway, and that sin does not affect his and my connection and relationship and love and all of

514
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:21.760
that, then I've got to, I've got to choose that that's true. And the way that I can help myself

515
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:28.480
do that is not allow myself to use anything as payment. And so I would connect with him without

516
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:33.520
the payment. In other words, without the apology, I would ask him for something and whatever. And

517
00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:42.080
once I got, once I made that choice where I realized, okay, I, I really am mainly meeting

518
00:40:42.080 --> 00:40:47.120
with the Lord. He really is receiving me and accepting me, even though I haven't apologized

519
00:40:47.120 --> 00:40:56.400
for the sin that I've done. And he, uh, and so he really is and is showing up as he says he is.

520
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:05.360
Then my apology was no longer, I no longer considered it currency because now I don't

521
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:12.560
have to pay for something I have. I chose that I wasn't disconnected. And so I would connect with

522
00:41:12.560 --> 00:41:17.440
the Lord and I would ask him for things and he would give me those things and whatever. And I'm

523
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:23.600
like, wow, even without apologies, well, this is amazing. So once I finally was able to disconnect

524
00:41:23.600 --> 00:41:32.640
my apology from being, using it as some kind of a, of a means of transacting something from God to

525
00:41:32.640 --> 00:41:38.400
me, in other words, getting something from God, then I could apologize without it having any of

526
00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:44.160
those strings attached. And the whole apology was simply Lord, I have relationship with you.

527
00:41:44.160 --> 00:41:49.920
And if I've hurt you, I'm really sorry, you know, whatever, but I'm not like trying to get something

528
00:41:50.720 --> 00:41:57.520
that I don't have until I apologize. And then I get it. I realized I had it without apologizing.

529
00:41:57.520 --> 00:42:03.280
So now my apology could be offered to the Lord just out of relationship. In other words, just

530
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:16.400
out of freedom and no longer out of obligation. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's huge. I know. No. Yeah.

531
00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:24.400
So that's what helped me was to not allow myself to apologize until, and then to connect with God,

532
00:42:25.040 --> 00:42:32.240
even, even without, even before I would, you know, say I was sorry or feel bad or anything,

533
00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:36.640
I would connect with God. I'd believe that he loved me, that I was abiding in him, that we

534
00:42:36.640 --> 00:42:44.560
were, that he was just as happy with me now as he was before I sinned and all of that. And then once

535
00:42:44.560 --> 00:42:49.760
I, and then I would choose that. And then he would show up like that. I would connect with

536
00:42:49.760 --> 00:42:55.120
him and I'd feel him and I'd sense him and I'd sense his joy. And I'd sense his pleasure because

537
00:42:55.120 --> 00:42:59.680
I would choose that it was true. If he said it, that I made a choice in a decision that that was

538
00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:06.400
true. And then I would feel it. It's like God would show up after I decided to believe him.

539
00:43:07.680 --> 00:43:13.280
Then whatever it is that I decided to believe him in, he would reveal himself to be that thing. He

540
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:21.600
would show up like that, but only after I agreed with it first. Anyway. And then, and then anyway,

541
00:43:21.600 --> 00:43:29.040
I would do that. I do that in order to disconnect, in order to disconnect my attachment of an

542
00:43:29.040 --> 00:43:36.160
apology and shame to, to trying to get something from God. So I would use that to disconnect.

543
00:43:36.160 --> 00:43:43.040
And then once it was disconnected, then and once I no longer had it attached to the apologies,

544
00:43:43.040 --> 00:43:47.040
then I would, would apologize just because I'm in relationship with God, just like, Oh God,

545
00:43:47.040 --> 00:43:52.960
you know, I'm so sorry. I'm just apologizing just because, you know, we're in relationship and I

546
00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:57.200
don't want her to, and I want you to know that. And so we're talking about it, but I'm no longer

547
00:43:57.200 --> 00:44:02.720
trying to get something from God that I don't have until I apologize. I have it without the

548
00:44:02.720 --> 00:44:08.720
apology. So once I realized I have it without the apology, now I can apologize free and my own free

549
00:44:08.720 --> 00:44:15.760
will without obligation. Cause I'm not trying to, I don't believe I'm in lack. And then I'm

550
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:23.840
trying to obtain something with the apology. It was payment or shame is payment or guilt is payment.

551
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:32.800
You know, don't you think? I mean, I think we were taught growing up that we had to apologize

552
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:38.000
to get back into fellowship with God, right? We did. Yeah. And I was blatantly told,

553
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:44.320
blatantly told by my fourth grade Sunday school teacher that it was Sunday school, meaning like

554
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:50.640
he was my school teacher, but he taught me my Bible class. And he said that God stops talking

555
00:44:50.640 --> 00:44:56.400
to you when you sin. I was like, Oh, I don't ever want God to stop talking to me. It would

556
00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:59.840
terrify me because not only did I think, Oh my goodness. So when I do something.

557
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.740
intentionally wrong. God stops talking to me, but this is the

558
00:45:03.740 --> 00:45:06.580
same teacher that also taught me that the Israelites had a

559
00:45:06.580 --> 00:45:11.180
specific sacrifice that God said was for all of the sins that

560
00:45:11.180 --> 00:45:13.680
they committed that they didn't even know that they committed.

561
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And this was to cover them and everything extra that they

562
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.240
didn't even know. I mean, there's all the other sacrifices

563
00:45:20.240 --> 00:45:22.640
for all the things they knew that they did. But then there

564
00:45:22.640 --> 00:45:25.220
was a whole, there was a blanket one to cover everything else

565
00:45:25.220 --> 00:45:27.780
that they did that they didn't weren't even aware of. And I

566
00:45:27.780 --> 00:45:31.740
thought, Oh, my word. So how do I know then when God, how do I

567
00:45:31.740 --> 00:45:35.180
know if I've done one of those sins, and that God's no longer

568
00:45:35.180 --> 00:45:38.940
talking to me, but I didn't even know that I'd send to get to

569
00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:41.660
this position. And now God's not talking to me. Well, how did I

570
00:45:41.660 --> 00:45:45.580
know, you know, and so what I did was just to cover myself and

571
00:45:45.580 --> 00:45:47.540
to make sure I could always stay in connection with God is I

572
00:45:47.540 --> 00:45:50.940
would apologize all the time, all day long. I would repent.

573
00:45:51.540 --> 00:45:55.740
Because the next time I would do something that I didn't know I

574
00:45:55.740 --> 00:46:04.500
done. You know? So I think my thing is hiding from him. You

575
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:05.900
know, like, yeah.

576
00:46:07.060 --> 00:46:11.660
Which is what Adam and Eve did. They hid. Yes. Yeah. I mean, as

577
00:46:11.660 --> 00:46:16.900
if I can hide from him. I know, but it's shame. And God says

578
00:46:16.900 --> 00:46:20.820
that we don't need to do that anymore. Because remember, they

579
00:46:20.820 --> 00:46:23.500
hid because of their vulnerability because they were

580
00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:29.060
exposed. But remember that now you can't be exposed like that

581
00:46:29.060 --> 00:46:32.900
your vulnerability is always covered in your intimacy with

582
00:46:32.900 --> 00:46:36.940
him. It's always covered in the fact that you're in him. So you

583
00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:41.300
have no, not only can you not hide, we no longer have a reason

584
00:46:41.300 --> 00:46:45.140
to hide from him. Because it's we're hiding out of self

585
00:46:45.140 --> 00:46:49.340
protection, but it's actually in him that we find our safety is

586
00:46:49.340 --> 00:46:54.020
being covered by him, that we actually are safe, as opposed to

587
00:46:54.020 --> 00:46:56.940
trying to need to find our own safety. So what he wants is he

588
00:46:56.940 --> 00:47:01.180
wants to be believed that he's the safe thing to be covered by.

589
00:47:02.420 --> 00:47:05.460
Yeah, you're absolutely right. We do we hide from him, because

590
00:47:05.460 --> 00:47:09.340
we don't believe he's safe. We believe that we've done

591
00:47:09.340 --> 00:47:14.300
something, and that we're not safe with him. Because, you

592
00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:16.700
know, if this thing that we've done, or this thing that we are

593
00:47:16.700 --> 00:47:19.900
or whatever. And that's why I think it's so very important to

594
00:47:19.900 --> 00:47:23.900
express to people that we are not sinners that are simply

595
00:47:23.900 --> 00:47:29.500
covered by this blanket of blood of Jesus Christ, and that God

596
00:47:29.500 --> 00:47:32.900
only looks at the blood of Jesus Christ, but doesn't see the

597
00:47:32.900 --> 00:47:36.580
sinful person that's simply being covered. You know, it's

598
00:47:36.580 --> 00:47:40.260
like, no, we've actually been changed. And so he see we've

599
00:47:40.260 --> 00:47:46.020
been washed by the blood. I don't know what's going on out

600
00:47:46.020 --> 00:47:49.100
there. And so now we are completely we're completely

601
00:47:49.100 --> 00:47:52.940
transformed. We're new creatures. And God can look on

602
00:47:52.940 --> 00:47:57.500
us now. He doesn't have to hide himself from us. We don't have

603
00:47:57.500 --> 00:48:01.820
to hide ourselves from him. Even when we sin, we've already been

604
00:48:01.820 --> 00:48:04.620
washed by the blood, we don't have to continue to be washed.

605
00:48:04.900 --> 00:48:08.300
He can still look on us even when we've sinned, because

606
00:48:08.660 --> 00:48:12.020
Christ has made the payment already for the sin that we

607
00:48:12.020 --> 00:48:15.780
committed. And that all the sins that we're going to commit. So

608
00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:19.300
even while even when we've committed a sin, and we're in

609
00:48:19.300 --> 00:48:24.060
the sin, in other words, we've, we haven't, like, I say in the

610
00:48:24.060 --> 00:48:28.060
sin, meaning like we haven't, like made us we haven't

611
00:48:28.060 --> 00:48:31.740
apologized, we were, we're intentionally doing it, we

612
00:48:31.740 --> 00:48:34.460
haven't repented. That's what I'm saying. We haven't changed

613
00:48:34.460 --> 00:48:38.380
directions, we're still doing this thing. Even then God can

614
00:48:38.380 --> 00:48:42.740
look at us because we're still the that sin that we're doing

615
00:48:42.740 --> 00:48:49.500
has already been paid for. Mm hmm. So there's nothing to pay

616
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:54.460
for even while we're doing it. Not even an apology. Sorry, for

617
00:48:54.460 --> 00:48:59.100
what we are currently doing while we are sending is already

618
00:48:59.100 --> 00:49:03.460
while we're doing it is already paid for. There's no restitution

619
00:49:03.460 --> 00:49:09.100
required. It really is that free. And it's very hard for us

620
00:49:09.100 --> 00:49:14.100
to understand that, especially when, for 1000s of years, it was

621
00:49:14.100 --> 00:49:18.780
drilled into humanity, that, and then of course, us in the New

622
00:49:18.780 --> 00:49:21.340
Testament, not only do we carry that in our DNA, that old

623
00:49:21.340 --> 00:49:27.060
covenant, and, you know, from our ancestors, but also, and any

624
00:49:27.060 --> 00:49:30.780
agreements that they made under that. But also, we've been

625
00:49:30.780 --> 00:49:34.420
taught by so much in our like churches and ideologies that,

626
00:49:35.300 --> 00:49:40.820
uh, that we have to work to please the Lord. Anyway.

627
00:49:41.660 --> 00:49:48.340
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's, that's for sure. Yeah, yeah, we

628
00:49:49.420 --> 00:49:55.580
I had sort of a motto song when I was young when I was growing

629
00:49:55.580 --> 00:49:59.980
up. And I think the first part of it is striving to please

630
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.880
him in all that I do. Oh, God, living for Jesus. Yeah. And

631
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:14.040
it's, it was all about striving. And there's a woman that I, you

632
00:50:14.040 --> 00:50:19.860
know, have received teaching from and she has said, if you

633
00:50:19.860 --> 00:50:22.440
want to be blessed, you need to obey.

634
00:50:23.680 --> 00:50:24.360
Oh, goodness.

635
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:31.200
Well, yes. And, you know, I just have not felt that that was

636
00:50:31.240 --> 00:50:38.560
right. Because I mean, new covenant is it's like, we have

637
00:50:38.560 --> 00:50:43.760
everything before we do anything. Correct? Yeah. And

638
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:47.960
yeah, I mean, I think, you know, because she's going back to the

639
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.800
Old Testament. And, you know, if they did this, then they'd be

640
00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:56.240
blessed. Correct? Yeah. And that's what Paul has to say,

641
00:50:56.240 --> 00:50:59.840
don't use your freedom as a license to sin, because it

642
00:50:59.840 --> 00:51:05.060
really is this free. Yeah, that type of freedom scares people

643
00:51:05.060 --> 00:51:12.440
because you can't, there's no, there's no borders to work

644
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:16.160
within that you that we typically rely on as our sense

645
00:51:16.160 --> 00:51:20.000
of safety, as we rely on structures and predictability

646
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.160
and formulas to keep us safe. And if that's what we're relying

647
00:51:23.160 --> 00:51:25.760
on, then when God says, No, no, no, you're freer than that. And

648
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.240
I'm removing them all. We feel scared. Because we've been

649
00:51:30.240 --> 00:51:33.400
relying on borders and structures and laws and rules

650
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:39.080
and formulas. And because we can use them to predict our own and

651
00:51:39.640 --> 00:51:44.360
to determine our own outcomes in our life, which makes us feel

652
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:49.360
secure because it makes us feel in control. Yeah, yeah, that's

653
00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:52.960
why God had to say no, it's a lot freer than that. But don't

654
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.320
use your freedom as a license to sin. The fact that when you're

655
00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:00.520
sinning, it's already covered anyway. While you're doing it,

656
00:52:00.520 --> 00:52:04.960
it's already covered. So there's no payment that's required. It's

657
00:52:04.960 --> 00:52:08.280
very different. Yeah. Then what it was for 1000s of years.

658
00:52:09.160 --> 00:52:15.480
Yeah, yeah. And there, I don't know, but there's not, I haven't

659
00:52:15.480 --> 00:52:21.120
come across a church. Well, I can't say that. But there aren't

660
00:52:21.120 --> 00:52:23.160
many churches that actually teach that.

661
00:52:24.320 --> 00:52:28.080
You know, yeah, well, there's a lot of churches that I mean,

662
00:52:28.080 --> 00:52:30.560
not Yeah, not every church teaches that there's a lot of

663
00:52:30.560 --> 00:52:34.280
churches that teach it, but don't know how it works in, in

664
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:39.720
practical in, in practicality. Like, what does that mean that

665
00:52:39.720 --> 00:52:43.520
we live like? And what does that mean of what we can expect from

666
00:52:43.520 --> 00:52:47.880
other people? And if churches feel like they can't get a

667
00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.400
control of people and make sure that they're always doing

668
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:55.200
everything right? Well, then they all talk out of one side

669
00:52:55.200 --> 00:53:00.240
of their mouths, which is grace, and love and freedom and sin is

670
00:53:00.240 --> 00:53:04.840
paid for. But the way that they act in the way that they in the

671
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:07.480
standards that they hold themselves and other people to

672
00:53:07.640 --> 00:53:11.200
shows that there is no grace, and that it's all about what you

673
00:53:11.200 --> 00:53:13.520
do. And it's all about obedience. And it's all about

674
00:53:13.520 --> 00:53:19.760
what can we tell by your fruit, that that what you're doing is

675
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:24.040
good or godly or whatever. But we're, but we are looking at it

676
00:53:24.040 --> 00:53:28.360
through the view and the standard of the world and how

677
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:33.800
the world tests things and makes determinations about outcomes.

678
00:53:34.720 --> 00:53:37.280
Because it says that man, it says that man looks at the

679
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:41.280
outside, but God looks at the heart. So God, and the things

680
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:45.000
of the spirit can only be understood by the spirit. So if

681
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:47.440
we're trying to look at it through our own soul, and trying

682
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:52.680
to determine whether or not it's okay, you know, then, then we're

683
00:53:52.720 --> 00:53:56.240
going to miss the mark. So anyway, but that's why a lot of

684
00:53:56.280 --> 00:54:00.400
a lot of churches either don't teach it, or they teach it in

685
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:06.400
theory only. But the practical way that they live it out, or

686
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:09.880
the practical things of like how they teach you to apply it

687
00:54:10.080 --> 00:54:15.360
doesn't match with what they're saying over here, where there is

688
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:22.560
grace, and there is, and your sin is paid for, etc. Yeah,

689
00:54:22.600 --> 00:54:27.160
yeah, walking out of both sides of their mouth, and they don't

690
00:54:27.600 --> 00:54:28.520
realize it.

691
00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:36.400
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and hearing them say, we're just a

692
00:54:36.400 --> 00:54:40.080
sinner saved by grace. Yeah, that's what I grew up hearing.

693
00:54:40.080 --> 00:54:49.800
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, the music director, who used to be

694
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.160
the music director at the church I used to go to, she would say

695
00:54:53.160 --> 00:54:58.040
that we're just sinners saved by grace. You know, like it puts

696
00:54:58.040 --> 00:55:00.040
through depressing. Yes.

697
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:06.400
And it, it's supposed to put, you know, give God glory, but I know, no, it doesn't.

698
00:55:06.400 --> 00:55:07.400
Yeah.

699
00:55:07.400 --> 00:55:08.400
Yeah.

700
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:12.520
But then we're, in order to do that, we're not agreeing with what he said about himself

701
00:55:12.520 --> 00:55:15.920
and what he said about us and, and yeah.

702
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.440
And that's the thing is that, um, I think I may have mentioned this to y'all that I

703
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:29.080
had someone tell us, or someone tell me, uh, or ask me, actually, how do I, how do we convince

704
00:55:29.080 --> 00:55:38.040
our children of their need for a savior, unless they know how bad they are as a sinner.

705
00:55:38.040 --> 00:55:46.600
It was like, well, think of it this way, you know, is God only good because there's evil

706
00:55:46.600 --> 00:55:54.560
and is God only, um, is God only desirable simply because it's the option that gives

707
00:55:54.560 --> 00:55:58.000
you a means to escape the pain.

708
00:55:58.000 --> 00:56:04.600
Is that the only thing God's good for is the, as, as an alternative, he's, he's good

709
00:56:04.600 --> 00:56:06.840
because, because he's God.

710
00:56:06.840 --> 00:56:11.280
So that's how, you know, I recommended to her that she focused on, you know, with their

711
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:18.440
children is the fact that he's so good that he would draw us because he's so good that

712
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:23.800
we'd be drawn to him as opposed to, well, he's the thing that allows us to escape this

713
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:24.800
bad thing.

714
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:30.480
It's like, no, God's good because, because he is who he is.

715
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:36.160
Um, and he doesn't need to have the existence of evil and bad in order to be good.

716
00:56:36.160 --> 00:56:40.760
So anyway, my point is that we've like used that a lot of times in the church and that's

717
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.400
the church that she and I had both gone to.

718
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.560
We'd both gone to the same college and it was a very strict college and very, very,

719
00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:49.560
very strict.

720
00:56:49.720 --> 00:56:55.320
Baptist and very Calvinistic in its leanings.

721
00:56:55.320 --> 00:57:07.520
And anyway, it, it, it, uh, its foundation was shaming and condemning people so that

722
00:57:07.520 --> 00:57:14.440
we'd realize how bad we all were and we could be controlled and we could all manipulate

723
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:20.520
the outcome of ourselves and other people by holding ourselves to outside actions of

724
00:57:20.520 --> 00:57:21.520
standards.

725
00:57:21.520 --> 00:57:25.840
Like, well, if you do these things and you're good and you're responsible and you're good

726
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:29.760
Christian and whatever, and if you don't do these things, then you're bad.

727
00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:39.280
Um, anyway, so it was all based on performance and it's like how you dressed and yeah.

728
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.440
So anyway, it's, it's no wonder that she got that.

729
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:49.600
It is that she said, um, sorry, someone just sent me a text and I don't know how to turn

730
00:57:49.600 --> 00:57:53.480
it off, but he, I'm sorry.

731
00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:54.480
Computer.

732
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:55.480
Doesn't it?

733
00:57:55.480 --> 00:57:56.480
Yes.

734
00:57:56.480 --> 00:57:58.360
Um, cause it's new.

735
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:02.480
I got this Mac and reconnect and connected my iCloud to it.

736
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:06.680
And so my texts pop up, which is great when I'm not on a zoom call, but I don't know how

737
00:58:06.680 --> 00:58:09.080
to turn them off when I'm on a zoom call.

738
00:58:09.080 --> 00:58:11.080
I'm sure that there's some way to do it.

739
00:58:11.720 --> 00:58:12.720
Options.

740
00:58:12.720 --> 00:58:13.720
Maybe keep in dock.

741
00:58:13.720 --> 00:58:15.400
I have no idea.

742
00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:16.400
Anyway.

743
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:17.400
Oops.

744
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:18.400
There we go.

745
00:58:18.400 --> 00:58:24.080
So, um, but yeah, so it's no wonder that she thought that because that's, that's what had

746
00:58:24.080 --> 00:58:31.640
been always used as a motivation to come near Jesus is realize how bad you are and then

747
00:58:31.640 --> 00:58:37.180
just always fight yourself and do the hard thing and come to God.

748
00:58:37.180 --> 00:58:42.340
So they always make coming to God, like the bad thing that you don't want to do, but you

749
00:58:42.340 --> 00:58:46.140
got to do it anyway, get grief.

750
00:58:46.140 --> 00:58:49.820
What about God's great enough for us to want to, to want to do it.

751
00:58:49.820 --> 00:58:52.300
So, and that'd be our motivation.

752
00:58:52.300 --> 00:58:54.300
So yeah, yeah.

753
00:58:54.300 --> 00:58:59.300
So that had been the motivation that had been used for her coming to God.

754
00:58:59.300 --> 00:59:03.100
She didn't know what other motivation to use for her kids.

755
00:59:03.100 --> 00:59:06.060
So anyway, interesting.

756
00:59:06.220 --> 00:59:08.220
That's, that's so true.

757
00:59:08.220 --> 00:59:11.220
I mean, yeah.

758
00:59:11.220 --> 00:59:17.820
Shame people and then present God as the escape from all that.

759
00:59:17.820 --> 00:59:18.820
Yeah.

760
00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:19.820
Yeah.

761
00:59:19.820 --> 00:59:20.820
Yeah.

762
00:59:20.820 --> 00:59:23.820
Boy, the lies we believe.

763
00:59:23.820 --> 00:59:24.820
I know.

764
00:59:24.820 --> 00:59:25.820
Sad.

765
00:59:25.820 --> 00:59:29.900
Well, I know that you have to go probably to work.

766
00:59:29.900 --> 00:59:33.820
So I wanted to make sure that we prayed really quick, if I may for you.

767
00:59:33.820 --> 00:59:34.820
Yes.

768
00:59:34.820 --> 00:59:35.820
Yes, please do.

769
00:59:36.580 --> 00:59:40.980
So Lord, pray for Christine, pray that you would be with her Lord, touch her body, touch

770
00:59:40.980 --> 00:59:47.120
her, touch her mind, her emotions, her spirit, pray that you would just strengthen every

771
00:59:47.120 --> 00:59:52.580
aspect of her, that it would, it would believe you, it would come in.

772
00:59:52.580 --> 00:59:57.940
It would come in alignment with what it is that you have declared with, with your healing,

773
00:59:57.940 --> 01:00:00.060
with your goodness, with the fact that you protect her.

774
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:06.760
for that she is, um, that she is covered by you, that she is, that you're going ahead

775
01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:11.400
of her and providing for everything, pray that she would leave the outcome up to you,

776
01:00:11.400 --> 01:00:16.520
that she would just completely, um, it just fall into your arms and just feel relaxed

777
01:00:16.520 --> 01:00:22.880
and comforted, show her Lord in a brand new way, how it is to have faith in you, how to

778
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:23.880
give up the outcome.

779
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.560
Cause sometimes Lord, that can be a bit tricky of like, how do we actually do that?

780
01:00:27.560 --> 01:00:33.000
Pray that you would reveal to her how to do that, um, that everything would go smoothly

781
01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:40.320
with the radiation, that you would just give the doctor's wisdom that you would, um, just

782
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:44.040
cocoon, um, Chris in, in protection.

783
01:00:44.040 --> 01:00:48.640
And that the, that all of these tools that you have created, that you have allowed us

784
01:00:48.640 --> 01:00:55.160
to discover and to use and utilize that it would work perfectly, that it would work in

785
01:00:55.160 --> 01:01:00.720
alignment with them, with your kingdom, that you would send angels to be around her and

786
01:01:00.720 --> 01:01:07.120
with her and to handle the doctors and the nurses hands, um, give her peace and calm

787
01:01:07.120 --> 01:01:12.120
in her spirit and in her mind and pray as strange as this is Lord, that this would be

788
01:01:12.120 --> 01:01:15.320
a very special time period for her.

789
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.640
Um, I don't know if you're wanting to give her lots of physical rest during this time,

790
01:01:20.640 --> 01:01:25.880
but, um, you know what it is that, that you desire for her to be for, to be part of this

791
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:26.880
season.

792
01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.160
If you desire for her to be working, pray that you would give her the strength, the

793
01:01:30.160 --> 01:01:36.160
dependency on you, that you would, um, uh, also give her body a lot of rest when it is

794
01:01:36.160 --> 01:01:42.480
resting and that she would just feel very energized and strengthened during this time.

795
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:48.120
Pray that the radiation would be very effective, that the doctors would just be able to see

796
01:01:48.120 --> 01:01:49.120
you in it.

797
01:01:49.120 --> 01:01:53.080
And that Christine would be able to see and to feel you, especially fill your presence

798
01:01:53.080 --> 01:01:55.400
during this time in Jesus's name.

799
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:56.400
Amen.

800
01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:57.400
Amen.

801
01:01:57.400 --> 01:01:59.520
Oh, thank you so much.

802
01:01:59.520 --> 01:02:00.520
You're welcome.

803
01:02:00.520 --> 01:02:03.440
It was good to get with you.

804
01:02:03.440 --> 01:02:04.440
Yeah.

805
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:05.440
It's been really good.

806
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:14.240
I mean, you talk about things that are so true, but we don't hear them and it's, and

807
01:02:14.240 --> 01:02:19.200
it's almost like my spirit has known these things.

808
01:02:19.200 --> 01:02:21.200
Yes, it has.

809
01:02:21.200 --> 01:02:28.160
It's not like it's totally new, but it's like, okay, yeah, I've known this.

810
01:02:28.160 --> 01:02:33.400
And I mean like at different times I'll be in a meeting and I'll think, no, that's not

811
01:02:33.400 --> 01:02:35.000
quite right.

812
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:40.600
You know, you'll just get a sense that, no, this, this isn't true.

813
01:02:40.600 --> 01:02:50.120
And it's, yeah, it's like the, the Lord lets you know in your spirit that this is just

814
01:02:50.120 --> 01:02:51.120
not right.

815
01:02:51.120 --> 01:02:52.120
Yeah.

816
01:02:52.120 --> 01:02:53.120
He does.

817
01:02:53.120 --> 01:02:57.280
We have some very grateful for, but yeah, the idea that he does that now where he's

818
01:02:57.280 --> 01:03:03.520
very, very, like I said, just jealous of that relationship with us and wanting to reveal

819
01:03:03.520 --> 01:03:04.520
his truth to us.

820
01:03:04.520 --> 01:03:09.440
And then our spirits, because we're of his DNA, you know, they know these things it's,

821
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:12.920
it's the truth and the reality that our spirits live in.

822
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:19.240
So it's like our souls are finally realizing that they can receive it and believe it.

823
01:03:19.240 --> 01:03:20.240
Yeah.

824
01:03:20.240 --> 01:03:21.240
Yeah.

825
01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:22.240
Yeah.

826
01:03:22.240 --> 01:03:23.240
Yeah.

827
01:03:23.240 --> 01:03:24.240
Thank you, Ashley.

828
01:03:24.240 --> 01:03:25.240
You're welcome.

829
01:03:25.240 --> 01:03:27.240
It's good to spend time with you.

830
01:03:27.240 --> 01:03:30.040
Praying for your radiation today.

831
01:03:30.040 --> 01:03:32.240
It's a very good first appointment.

832
01:03:32.240 --> 01:03:33.240
Yeah.

833
01:03:33.240 --> 01:03:35.280
Thank you very much.

834
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:36.280
You're welcome.

835
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:37.560
I'll talk to you later.

836
01:03:37.560 --> 01:03:39.280
You let me know how it goes.

837
01:03:40.120 --> 01:03:41.120
Yeah, I will.

838
01:03:41.120 --> 01:03:42.120
Thank you.
