Hi Susanna, I apologize it took me a while to get on.
I had technical difficulties, we're leaving a road trip after this for a few days and
I'm like flipping around, anyways, don't worry too, yeah that's fine, so how are you?
Yes, yeah great, thank you, yeah I'm okay thanks, ready for the spring to start here,
yes oh I'm sure, cold weather, that would be hard, yeah I've always thought that about England,
I'm like how did they do it, I mean I know it's like green and it makes everything green but I'm
like it's so dreary so often at that, I love London, I tried to move to London years ago,
so I didn't, I thought well I don't expect to live here you know forever, I just, but I just
want to live there for at least a year so I could like go through all the seasons in London, so
anyway, yeah yeah, oh London's amazing, so what are your thoughts, what are your questions, how
have everything been going, going through the staff, the material, just really quickly before
I start, my old flatmate grew up in Turkey in a missionary family, and I know it's you know
obviously a massive country but I just thought missionary families might know each other,
so she's Annie Jones, her parents are Mike and Cindy Jones, they were based in Istanbul,
yes the name sounds familiar, it was what is what, Annie, they've got four kids
who are now 30, probably one's about 30, the others are in their 20s I think,
oh okay, then I'm not, no okay, I think that I knew them or knew of them,
Istanbul had a lot more than Izmir did where I grew up, so we only saw
each other like the other Istanbul kids when we would go to the, what do you call it,
the camp in southern, in the southern part of Turkey, which is called
Antalya, so we would go to a camp in Antalya every summer or every other summer, you know
depending on how furlough landed, and that's when we get to see all of the other kids like from
Istanbul, so it sounds like they were quite a bit younger than me, but they, we probably all
went to camp together and I'm sure that obviously I saw them, so because I'm 38, almost 39,
so if they're in their, so if they're like in their early 30s or in their 20s then
they were probably in the younger groups, but like you said there's not very many,
so I know that we all know each other, so that is so cool.
Yeah, I just, yeah, I thought you might have just like even heard their names even if you
hadn't met them, but yeah, yeah, no, it's amazing. Yeah, that is so cool.
Do you mind if I record this so I could take some notes later? No, that's fine, yeah. Is that fine?
Yeah. Oh, oh, do you need to give me permission to do that, maybe? You know what, I probably do,
and I don't know how to do that, so let me just give you the, let me just, I'll just send you the
recording. Oh, wonderful, okay, that'd be amazing. Yeah, so, no, I've been absolutely loving the
teaching, there's so much in it and I've listened to it loads of times. Just to really quickly
explain, so I think I said to you before, you know, God's kind of had me on a journey,
and he's been building in me, and I've sort of had this sense that he's giving me a blueprint,
so as well as kind of, you know, listening to your teaching, I've also sort of, you know,
not wanting to be totally abandoning what he's been showing me all this time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
so, you know, sometimes I think, yeah, sometimes I couldn't quite see how the two fit in, so,
you know, but about, yeah, Wednesday, when I started from the beginning again,
there was one thing in the first session, one sentence about, if you, you know, try.
trying to love God is like you're almost trying to resurrect the old man and that was completely
along the lines of the stuff God's been showing me so then I just suddenly started to realize
you know actually yeah it fits in so well but anyway so you know over the last couple
of days I've really been um just engaging with it again um but yeah and I've also just
been feeling so much of the Holy Spirit and so I feel you know it's it's powerful stuff
and I'm on the right track um so yeah um just if I can explain like typical triggers for
me due to traumatic experiences it's like um there's a been a big fear of giving the
enemy access so there's a lot to do with the protection of my mind um you know yeah concern
about um oh if I've thought something if I've um unwittingly listened to something that's
hypnosis or that's you know anything like that also you know people talking about um
you know attacks enemy attacks or demons or that sort of thing and so you know I've got
this tension headaches and my head is kind of tensing up in a way of self-protection
um so there's been a sense of feeling exposed and on the defensive um so a big thing for me
is just like kind of feeling that my mind is protected um anyway that yeah that's just part
of the condition but anyway um so obviously you know um in union and you know there's no separation
so I understand all that and you know coming from a place of going into that place of union um but
and this so we're always protected you know God is our source of provision for protection so um
you talk about also like you know what has God said so where are we getting
that is is that based on a scripture or is that just more based on the character of God
is what based on scripture or this character the fact that the fact that God is our source of
protection oh yeah that's the script well I mean it is scripture but obviously scripture is based
on the character of God so yeah it's the that you remember I mean it's just like it's a theme that's
just all throughout scripture that God wants us to rely on him he wants us to trust in him he wants
to give us our give our burdens to him he said don't worry like for instance even in um what was
it um is it Luke 12 22 through 25 26 something like that um Jesus says you know don't worry don't
worry about tomorrow don't be anxious for tomorrow you know God will take care of the sparrows and
they're not even storing up for tomorrow they're just eating right now it's like how much more
would God do that you know for you so it's just this um and the way that Jesus talked to them was
fascinating because he talked to them in such a way that he was it was as if you know hey you should
have already known this so in other words it was so he wasn't introducing anything new he was
introducing a covenant but it was a covenant that had been introduced prior and had been rejected
you know by the Israelites you know when they said no you know we don't want that relation
with the Lord we don't want that closeness you know you just tell us what did Moses you go talk
to him and then you just tell us what to do we'll do it kind of a thing so it's based on the fact
that yes obviously it's I mean so it's it's it's God's character but that characteristic and that
type of interaction with us is mentioned all throughout scripture it's constantly even
throughout the old testament you know and what he how David to rely on him you know and how David
you know continually talked in the Psalms about about his experience in trying to rely on God
and then forgetting to rely on God and then needing to even when it was hard and you know all
of this stuff and and how do we know that we know that because I mean meaning like how do we know
that we can do that we know that because of who God says that he is and so in all throughout
scripture he's trying to convey to us who he is yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah I yeah that's great
um and obviously in the fall you notice that he when Adam and Eve fell well then uh what what
their lie what God explained that the curse was as a result and the curse was hey look you're
gonna have to do this yourself now
So in other words, that was not the case before.
He's like, you're going to have to work hard.
See, before he was just like, hey, just tend the garden.
You know, and eat of any tree you want, except the one, you know,
in the middle, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
but eat of any other tree.
So he provided for them and all they had to do is just like tend it,
just simply because they're partnering with him and interacting with
creation, having dominion over creation.
And so, you know,
God's way of providing dominion over creation is very different.
Then toiling.
And sweating and having to try to grow all of this
stuff.
Out of the ground themselves here. They just had to tend something here.
They had to toil.
And so, you know,
it's stuff like that where God shows the, the difference.
Yeah.
There's a lot of different types of existences.
One, obviously, you know,
The curse was the fact that, Hey, as a result of their choice,
they now could put themselves under a different law.
And so apparently, you know, prior to that,
they were under a different law than what's being described here.
You know, anyway.
Stuff like that.
Yeah.
And obviously, they just had way too much deliverance ministry.
And I don't know, a lot of people talk about, you know,
opening doors, giving yourself.
Do you know what I mean?
And I think because of traumatic experience is that, so yeah,
become a trigger.
So then it's just kind of compounded, you know, because I didn't know,
you know,
I didn't know what I was going to do.
And so, you know,
Is that wrong what people are talking about? You know, that.
No, no.
All of those things are still real.
Yeah.
And all of those, all of those things.
What I refer to as, as you know, as tools to just, in other words,
Using.
Knowing and using those spiritual laws.
You know,
when you're dealing with people in the spirit world,
using them in other words, okay, well, here's a spiritual law.
And, you know, devil's trespassing.
So I'm going to use the spiritual law and whatever.
All of that is very real.
But remember that God didn't say that you can't.
That you can't eat.
He said, don't eat of this tree. In other words,
He said, don't eat of this tree.
And so when you're dealing with people in the spirit world,
knowing what you're doing,
it's where you're getting it from.
Or what, in other words, what's your source.
So it's how you're doing it, how you're approaching it.
So in something like for instance,
deliverance ministry or which is,
you know, is what you're referring to.
I'm here.
We need to do it from a place of knowing our authority and in faith,
Or in the spirit world,
we're dealing with people that are in the spirit world that are in the
spirit world,
and they're just battling it in their own terms.
And it's battling it from.
A place of victimhood, which makes us weak.
So there's still such a thing as deliverance ministry.
There's still such a thing as healing or whatever,
but it's from a place of faith.
And the authority that we don't have to put up with this.
But it doesn't mean.
We don't have that authority.
We do it from a completely different source.
We do it from the place of faith in the Lord that we have that
authority, not of, Oh my goodness,
I've got to protect myself because I'm abandoned and alone and
vulnerable.
As if God isn't covering us.
And so in my experience,
when you deal with fear and then that creates that fear creates a lot
of like, what you're.
You said you're experiencing, you know, just.
Creates a lot of tension.
Creates a lot of, like said, fear, anxiety, stress, et cetera.
And so.
Just because we're not supposed to do it in the only way that we've
experienced it.
It doesn't mean that we're not supposed to do it.
In rest, you're still supposed to work.
Still have jobs.
We still get up and do the dishes.
So it doesn't mean that, Oh, I don't have to live life.
This anymore.
We still do, but we do it from this place of, Hey, I get to do this.
This is me partnering with God and interacting in creation.
You know,
and allowing creation to partner with me as I'm,
as I'm doing all of this.
And I think that's a really important piece of it.
From our rightfully knowing our position.
So does that help?
Yeah.
I think I just don't find it.
I don't know.
I don't know, I guess I just feel like generally there's too much of a focus on the enemy.
I like when you talk about it, that you neutralize it.
Yes.
You know.
So, for instance, there's a friend of mine who said that he taught this, and he happened to have a lady in the audience who was a deliverance minister, like, this is what she did for a living.
She had written books on it, I don't know how many books and all this so in other words she's an expert, and she's got a lot of experience well she heard my friend talk about all of this, you know about the fact that we're in creation and we're
and whatever, and that we need to battle, so to speak, interact with the enemy from that perspective from the perspective that we are who God says that we are.
So that night she went to sleep, and, and she woke up in the middle of the night and there was that there was either a demonic spirit or some like witch or whatever that had high power I don't know whatever it was that appeared in her room.
And so she gets up and she starts doing battle, and the way that she knows how to, in a way, you know, and so she knows all these spiritual laws and so she's interacting with this thing on on the same on the same equal level of like hey you know
spiritual laws I know spiritual law, let's see who better, and let's see who's stronger, and all of a sudden her husband reminded her hey he sweetheart, you remember, remember who you are.
She's like, that's right.
And all of a sudden as soon as she remembered who she was. She didn't even do anything. Again with the old hag, you know, demonic thing. She just remembered who she was, and the, and it disappeared.
So it's it so it doesn't mean that those things don't come it doesn't mean that there's not a real, a real, you know, tax out there is just we from a different perspective, the challenging thing is like what you're talking about is where we've
approached it from a, we have so much trauma that has built up from having approached it from an incorrect place that we have a difficult time being in those old situations like say for instance here teachings or whatever, without that old thing coming
that old thing of fear or whatever. And that is something, and, and you just talked to the Lord about how to strengthen you in that area but understand that, that you should be easy on yourself.
In other words, just expose yourself to the degree that God says that you're strong enough to be able to handle.
And that he wants to strengthen you in kind of like going to the gym or whatever you know you start lifting even more weights than you ever have before, that you don't, you don't, you don't go from like five pounds to 45 pounds, or you don't go, or even if
you go from five pounds to 10 pounds, you may not do as many reps, you know, repeated you know motions at 10 pounds that you did at five, because you're slowly introducing yourself to it because you don't want to hurt yourself.
We can do the same thing when we're when we're learning something like this. It's like, we shouldn't be on getting get onto ourselves because we're like well I should be stronger than this.
I learned about how to approach it a different way like from rest. So I should be able to listen to all of this. And, and now just do it from this other place.
So understand that God does want to strengthen us, but we should we should lean on him to give us, you know, guidance as to how strong are we Lord right now.
Like what is it that you want me to what areas of my life are you trying to strengthen me right now. So to just be easy on yourself and know that, just like, just like as children grow or as our muscles grow, you only introduce them to what is what is
helpful to strengthen them, but doesn't completely break them, or cause them to fail.
that you end up being too hard on yourself and thinking, Oh, I should be better than this I should be stronger than this I should be whatever words that you use in your head of like better stronger whatever, or like well I should, you know, whatever, and, and, and really
God doesn't expect out of us, what we're thinking that he does. So anyway, you can just so what you're experiencing is very normal. And so knowing that that is what you're that that's just where it is that you are just ask Lord.
Okay, Lord, what does the journey look like now, because I want to strengthen myself.
myself. So there were certain areas of, of life that I just removed myself from
for a time being, because I couldn't handle it. I was too young in this new
thing I was learning. It's how to rely on God and, you know, anyway, so just
encouragement. Yeah. But yeah, what you're experiencing is, yeah, that's
normal. That's real. How do we do what we've always done? Dishes, job
deliverance, you know, protect ourselves from it. How do we do it? But now from a
totally different way than we've ever done it before, without getting triggered
into those old fears, those old mindsets, simply by doing the actions again. So
that's why we have gentle, easy on ourselves, not easy on ourselves, meaning
like loving us loving on ourselves, you know, and not getting upset if we
struggle or if we fail or whatever, and being sure to not expose ourselves to
too much. And what is too much only God can show you, you know?
Yeah, I think what has been difficult is that it's not just a kind of, you know,
fear of that kind of thing. But because with this health condition, my body is
in a tense state. If I, if I'm particularly tired, and just my body is
naturally tense. And so then more susceptible feeling a bit anxious about
things anyway. Yeah, that's been great. Yeah.
Yeah. And so in cases like that, do I would recommend looking with the Lord,
like I did, into how to explain this, and into how you can, oh, man, approach
things from a different perspective to help kind of snap you out of that old
that that tendency to, to, oh, man, sorry, how do I explain this? And that to
whatever it is that you're that you have the tendency to do, and not having in
struggling and getting so tense, like for instance, in your body or whatever.
So one of the cool things about you is because you are so physically affected,
you, you can be much more aware that something's wrong, as opposed to somebody
who just has something that they're feeling a particular way. And then they
felt that way for so long that they just ignore it. And they no longer remember or
pay attention to the fact that some that their body is trying to tell their
emotions are trying to tell them that something's wrong. So in other words, you
can be more alerted to it. And so you can ask the Lord, like if ever I had
certain things that I noticed, okay, I'm having a tendency to do this. And it's
creating this kind of effect, like, say, for instance, for me, it was stress, you
know, I'm getting this kind of effect. Okay, so how, how, what am I doing? In
other words, internally, or what it is, or what am I believing that is creating
that kind of a stress? Okay, Lord, how can I recklessly abandon myself to
something totally different than what it is that I keep doing? That's creating
this stress? How do I obey you in a totally recklessly abandoning different
way? So that I can, so I can just sit. So for instance, I'm trying to think of how
to say it. So in other words, though, I can actually be acting and believing in
you. So I can actually be having faith in you. Is there some way Lord that I'm
just struggling to have faith in you in? And what can I do very drastically to
step out in a to believe you in a, in a brand new way, way that you're saying
that you are? And what can I do to act on it, in order to and then just focus on
doing it in such a way that you get a particular result. And hopefully, you'll
be able to see this connection that I'll draw, I'll draw here, and you probably
heard it from the teaching. But say, for instance, what I used to do is, I would,
if I got very easily triggered by always apologizing to Lord, I was always
apologizing to the Lord for everything, like I accidentally thought a thought
about someone, or whatever, like that I was like, not about somebody mad towards
someone or whatever. And it just came in. And then I would just feel so guilty.
And Lord, I'm so sorry, I apologize. And then I would like, try to make myself
feel guilty and try to make myself feel shame. So the Lord, we know I was really
sorry. And so he'd forgive me. And I, you know, and I wouldn't have to stand
against me into that. So I just like would make it into this huge thing. So
what I did in order to, as a drastic, as a drastic, a drastic
decision and action that I made was I was like, okay, that is triggering in me, me apologizing
is triggering in me a, a desire to, um, or is, is triggering me the feeling that I, that I feel like
I have to pay for what I've done. And God says, I have, I don't have to pay for what I've done.
So in order to teach myself to not pay God for something, he says, I don't need to pay him for
that. I won't apologize. There's nothing wrong with apologizing to the Lord, but I couldn't
handle apologizing to the Lord and not considering payment with it. I couldn't, I couldn't separate
the two. So in order to finally believe God, if he said I didn't have to pay for it is I stopped
apologizing. There's nothing wrong with apologizing at all, but I had to abandon that in
order to teach myself this. And because it's so drastic and I just basically abandoned myself
onto the character of the Lord, like God, I believe that you're this good. And I'm trusting
that you're not going to strike me with lightning then that. And, and so I, so I'm just like
literally casting my existence, you know, on your mercy. I'm not going to do this just in efforts to
try to actually believe you, because I can't seem to do this and do the thing that you say pleases
you, which is have faith in you. I can't do both. So I'm going to pick this one. Which one do you
say pleases you believe in you? So this keeps getting in the way, Lord, I can't seem to handle
this one that you also say is good and this one. So I got this one down, but I don't have this one.
So in order to finally get this one, I'm going to stop doing this one. And so just, and I don't
know what that would be for you, but I'm just saying, just think of like what way in which
you can abandon yourself on who God says that he is. You know, I'm talking like emotionally,
but I'm talking like by faith, like, like who does God say that he is? How do I actually believe that
he is who he says that he is? And then Lord, what is something that I can do? And by doing sometimes
it's simply like making this, it's, you know, you just make a choice that what God said really
is true. Like, okay, if that's true, well then, then I'll do this. Then this is how life would,
this is how life would actually work. And so anyway, I don't know if that makes it can, I know
what I'm saying. I bet I, and I was just feeling that for you. So hopefully you, you know, that
helped and made you were able to make that some kind of connection to your own personal, unique
situation. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I can't hear you very well. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. No, that
makes sense. Yeah. So when, so, okay, so let's say I'm triggered, then I go into union and there's
no separation, it's love and relationship, you know, and I've been really loving doing that.
And, you know, there's also just, yeah, like in that place, letting go of anything. Yeah.
So, and then, you know, then you're in the place of, you know, the new man and just effortlessly,
that's who you are. And then you talk about, but do, do you ever just,
like, speak the truth over yourself kind of while you're doing that? Like,
you know, there's no separation. I'm perfectly safe and stuff about peace, stuff like that.
Yeah, I do. I, so, yeah. Did you get to a part in the, in the conference? I don't remember which
session this was in. Oh, I think it was in number four, where I talk about affirmations,
speaking affirmation. Okay. Same deal. It's the, it's the fact that what you're doing is you're
trying, it's, it's, you're trying to, you're not trying to convince yourself, but in sort of kind
of a way you are. Yeah. You just like you speak something out to just kind of like, okay, I'm
going to choose to step into that. It's kind of like this tool, this thing that you can kind of
like connect with. Once you hear it out loud, it kind of makes it feel a little more real sometimes.
And then that can dissipate and you say it again and whatever, just the saying of it though,
without engaging with it or without believing or whatever, isn't going to do daggum thing.
But what is, what is actually the powerful thing.
and maybe you haven't gotten to this one yet. Did you get to the power of intention?
I have listened to that but it was quite a while ago so yeah I'm going to get to that again.
Okay so anyway that one, I talk about this you know the fact that it's your intention
that has to be engaged. It's you as a son of God making a choice and a declaration that's
something that God said is actually true. When you make the decree as a king in your kingdom,
in other words here in creation, that something that God said is true it makes it actually it
gives it authority to take effect into creation. Without our agreement it won't take effect.
Or in certain aspects obviously sometimes God you know because we're babies in the faith in so many
areas God will come in and he'll do stuff for us. But what we're talking about is the journey
of maturation in the Lord where we're like well it used to happen this way. God used to do
all this stuff for me. He's like I know but now I want you to engage with it as well. Now I want you
I'm trying to teach you to go from a prince to a king. So in that process we take
on more and more responsibility and God doesn't feed his spoon feed us. You know so that's what
I'm talking about. I'm not saying he never does this other. I'm just saying that you know if we're
finding ourselves on this maturation journey well what's going on there? What's going on is the fact
that God is teaching us how to how to do it um how to by agreeing with him by giving him permission
for his word that he spoke his thing that he said was true to actually take effect into creation
into our bodies whatever. Yeah yeah okay um and I know you mentioned for creation has a free will
it doesn't have to respond. Okay because you know when Jesus calmed the storm obviously it didn't
have a choice because I think something God showed me is um like going into that place of rest
and the new man and then kind of saying to my body and my soul peace be still.
But does it then have a choice whether it wants to you know? I think it does but it has a tendency
to come into agreement because that's how it was made. But of course the angels were made to do
that too and look what Lucifer chose um or a look at the fig tree you know Jesus watched by the fig
tree and he cursed it and he said the reason that he cursed it he told the tree is because you didn't
feed the son of God. Well you know anyway so I mean so apparently it had a voice and and it didn't
and uh so and then the same within um within uh I think it was in Romans 8 where you know when it
talks about the fact yeah it is where it says you know creation is subjected to frustration
has been subjected to frustration not of its will not of its own will but by the will.
Whatever so it does have a choice but it has a tendency because it was created to come into
alignment with the Lord I mean that's what it was all like before the fall it has a tendency to make
that choice just like for instance Lucifer and the and the angels only a third of them fell
the other two-thirds didn't you know so yeah yeah okay yeah okay yeah um I think
like in addition to that just just a little segue into something else to just show you how this
principle expands into things when God will call you to things like say for instance he would call
me to particular um particular jobs or say for instance particular relationships that you might
have or whatever you're bringing in the kingdom and if it's not operating in alignment with the
kingdom it's going to be thrown into chaos the situation the relationship whatever and all of a
sudden it's just like oh my goodness everything was fine and then I showed up and everything went
bad and it took me a while I asked the Lord about it I'm like Lord am I like causing all of these
problems because I knew that if I held out long enough that everything would like blossom and grow
and become so much more healthier than it ever had been and and all that so I thought but Lord
the initial part is always really really bad and I was like it you know something wrong with me am I
like bringing in something bad and he said no Ashley it's all it's not in alignment with the
kingdom you're bringing in and so um so anyway give it give it time to shift into making the
choice to come into agreement or not so here's my point that I wanted to make is something
it usually in my experience things come into alignment usually it takes time it takes sometimes
a lot of time but they usually come into alignment but there are two cases there's
some cases in which they don't.
And there are two different types of things that happen when they don't.
Either God will remove the thing from you, like he'll remove the person,
he'll remove the situation, he'll whatever, or he'll move you out of it.
And so the same thing with the disciples when they, when they went into all of
those towns and Jesus said, Hey, look, here's the two different scenarios
that are going to happen, either.
It's going to receive you.
And if so, you know, allow your peace to stay, or it's going to reject you.
And if it rejects you leave the town and shake the dust of it off of your feet
and take your peace back to yourself.
Yeah.
And so everything has it.
That's another example of where things have a, have a choice, you know, whether
it's other people, which their souls and bodies have creation, just everything
else, you know, you know, they can choose they in the trees and the bars and the
town or whatever they can choose to come into alignment or not.
And so if they don't, God will either remove it or he'll remove you.
So just FYI, how that also plays out in other areas.
Yeah.
Um, I know one of the sort of meditation sessions, they were great.
Um, you was one of them, the kind of purpose was to see that I'm
in control of my thoughts on.
So, um, but I don't know, like with this condition, um, so there's kind of a
cycle of a thought triggers, a stress response, um, which then produces a
physical reaction and there's a cycle, which like naturally speaking feels
outside of my control because it's kind of semi-subconscious.
Um, so I guess that that perhaps that's just a different situation.
It's a unique situation.
Is that, you see what I mean?
Is that relevant activity relevant, that activation relevant to this?
Okay.
Yes.
So because what you're doing, all of it, that activity was doing was teaching
how to take back your ownership of your own self so that you'd start to do it
subconsciously because those thoughts that you're talking about are subconscious
thoughts that are subconsciously triggering stress that are subconsciously,
you know, creating bodily result.
Right?
So the thing is that with this exercise, it's only an exercise.
It's only to basically strengthen a muscle so that you realize, Oh, wait a minute.
I am in control.
I'm not a victim to my own thoughts or my, or this, there are this chain reaction.
I need to regain it.
And so that as you do that, as you make a choice, again, you're calling your
soul to come into alignment, including all of its subconscious chain reactions
that it's because all those subconscious train reactions have been created
because we've had particular beliefs.
So therefore we have particular beliefs.
And so it, it, you know, meaning like the soul is stared, you know, of your, of
your spirit, which is how I kind of look for refer to it, to help people, you know,
understand like, what's really going on.
Why is that?
Why do I want to do these things, but my, but I don't do these things that, you
know, just like Paul talked about, he's like, I do what I don't want to do.
And, you know, and I don't do what I want to do.
Um, and, uh, so it's, it's what your body's your soul and your body, you're
doing, they're carrying out the instructions that we've given it, you
know, it's not just, you understand, don't take on any of this on a shame
of condemnation, some of it's been, some of it was, um, is because of
decisions that your ancestors made.
And so you're carrying it in your DNA.
I mean, it can go all the way back to Adam, you know, I mean,
just some of this stuff is so old.
So, but what we're called to do is, is to take responsibility for it
so that we can finally let it go.
If you take on the responsibility for something, you can choose to let it go.
You can choose to overcome.
You can't overcome something you don't choose to take responsibility for
responsibility does not mean blame.
It does not mean that it's your fault.
It simply means you're choosing to take on ownership because it's only things
that you own, that you have the authority and the spirit to say that you no longer
want this thing and to cast the thing out, so to speak, you know, to let the
thing go, so that's all that I mean by responsibility, but don't take any kind
of responsibility as to mean blame either for something that you did either, either
for like beliefs that you made, you know, that you had and choices that you made.
So we're not, not even talking about answers, even talking about yourself.
Don't take the blame on for it because.
So if you take the blame on for it, you're holding onto it and you won't let it go.
So you have to, so we have to kind of, uh, you know, just release all of that.
The more, and we feel like if we let something go, like, like we stop.
Getting upset about it or whatever, you know, that it's going to stay with
us, that we have to fight everything in order to get it out.
And that's not true.
You'd have to take authority over something and no longer be affected by it.
And now you have enough power to be, so to speak, you know, you, you stepped
into the place of power that the Lord says you are in, you know, in Christ.
And now you have the authority and the power to let the thing go.
Um, but yes, your soul is all of the, all, everything that I'm talking about.
The majority of it is subconscious.
Everything, all of the beliefs that we have, that we don't know everything
that we don't believe about God.
We don't, it's all subconscious.
So what I do with those exercises is to give us a conscious way to choose
intentionally to step into something, to step into God says it is who I am.
So I'm going to act on it.
So that's so that we change the, the, the choice that we make in our soul
from feeling like a victim, which is going to just keep those instructions that are
causing those chain reactions to keep going, which choosing to shift from that
to all my word, I own myself and I'm safe with the spirit and God is protecting me.
And therefore I don't have to protect myself.
And so all of this subconscious chain reaction stuff will let go on its own and
you won't have to do anything about it.
Uh, like consciously, and you remember session eight as well.
I really recommend that you focus a lot on, on session eight, meaning
like, like the actual practice of it.
Because, because so, um, because so much of what you're probably dealing with just,
uh, is, um, it, you're, you sound like you're easily triggered by certain things
that are causing physical responses.
So if you go, if you just talk to your soul and your body and just say, Hey, look,
I don't know what's going on, but whatever it is, you know, come into alignment,
be safe, be whatever, as opposed to doing so much, that's probably
triggering work, stress, you know, strife.
But if you just, just tell it to do what it needs to do on its
own, without your involvement, you know, it'll start obeying you and
it'll start, it'll start switching.
Then just be a safe place for it to change, you know, just love on it fully
love and accept your body the way that it is.
That's a big thing that I talk to a lot of people about is fully love and
accept your soul and your body exactly as it is without requiring it to change.
So safer.
And what that means is, and for instance, I talked to a lot of people about like
losing weight because they, they end up bringing it up.
It's not like I have like this ministry of teaching people this way that that's
one of those things that people keep bringing up.
Yeah.
But how do I do it in this area?
And so one of the things that I mentioned is I say, say for instance, and you can
apply it to your own situation, like say for instance, pain that you experience
in certain parts of your body, or the fact that you're just tired and you're
like, I am tired of being tired.
You know, that say, I talked to people about like, say for instance, they have
like fat pockets where they don't want them, you know, and so I said, you're
not loving the fat pocket.
You're not agreeing with it.
You're not saying that that's okay to stay.
You're accepting unconditionally the body or the soul, whichever, you know,
that made the decision out of fear that it needed to protect itself because
it thought you weren't doing it.
So it's Trent.
So it thinks you're evil because you're not doing the good thing of protecting it.
So what's going to be the good guy and protect you or protect the body.
And so it's going to take all these toxins, neutralize them into fat
cells and then store them, you know, to try to, because it thinks that it's the
good guy, the soul thinks that it's the good guy.
They're not in rebellion, trying to do evil.
They think that they are on their own against the evil.
They think your spirit is evil.
They think they think everything's just like against me.
So it's trying that teaches us to kind of like view our bodies and our souls and
the decisions that they're making out of fear that are honestly very destructive
results, they're doing them because they're trying to do the right thing.
But need tried to do the right thing by eating from the tree of the knowledge
of good and evil.
And it's because it wasn't the right thing and it wasn't trusting in God.
It's called rebellion.
Rebellion is simply not trusting God.
It's not choosing evil intentionally.
That's not rebellion.
Rebellion is simply trying to do that.
I mean, sure.
Some, some of the evil is, but.
I mean, I mean, some rebellion is, but in general, so much rebellion is simply
trying to do the good thing, trying to do, but you're doing it from the wrong source.
You're doing it for the wrong reason.
You're doing it thinking you're a bandit.
So anyway, with your body, like, say, with pain or your soul or, you know,
whatever it is that, you know, depending on whatever it is you're focusing on,
you love and accept the thing that is making the decision to do what it's doing.
You're loving the, the entity of your body that has that will that's making
the decision or the soul, the aspect of the soul that's making the decision.
So you're not three separate beings, but kind of think of it like three
separate beings, like they all have their own will that they're choosing.
What what instructions am I following?
Something in your body has to receive the instruction of your soul, your soul believes.
So anyway,
you get it kind of like that and and just start loving and fully loving
and accepting your soul and your body, talking to them like that.
You know, like I mentioned in session eight.
And I think that that will be a really, really big thing for you
to stop fighting your body and your soul and who and you and what you're going
through so much and to just kind of let it go.
Not you're not giving up and you're not giving in.
You're stopping fighting it, meaning you're neutralizing it and you're
choosing that you're powerful, not a victim.
You're choosing that you're in Christ, not outside of him.
And you're then your body and your soul
will realize it's stopping being fought against.
And it will feel safe enough to start to change.
It won't make you more vulnerable and succumb to more attacks.
It won't.
If you submit yourself fully to the Lord
and you're vulnerable in the Lord, then you don't have to worry about
letting things go in your soul and body to the point that you're going to be
further attacked, you're going to get more sick, that kind of a thing.
Anyway.
Yeah, yeah.
OK.
I didn't know, so
the issue in my body is basically the H is
called the HPA access and it's dysfunctioning.
That's kind of the core of it.
And.
So, you know, really, it's.
That this cycle is acting according to a law of how God created it, kind of
is it's reacting within that.
Yeah. Within that sort of law.
So.
But I didn't know if it was relevant that,
you know, you talked about, OK, well, we're not subject to physical laws.
Correct. Yeah.
So this all kind of feeds into it.
Yeah, right. It's the same thing.
So we never want to deny physical, spiritual, medical laws.
God created them for good.
There's nothing wrong with them.
But the thing is, we're not subject to them.
So just like the Jesus in the middle
of the storm that was acting according to physical law, there was nothing wrong
with what with the fact that it was acting according to physical laws.
It was acting according to the way that God designed it.
And yet it is decided, no, that's not what we're going to do right now.
Peace be still.
And he brought in a higher reality.
He brought a reality that had more power,
that had more authority, that trumped, you know, the law.
So it's the same thing like if someone had cancer or whatever.
So, in fact, a couple of rest intensives ago,
there were two people going through my group that had that had cancer.
And so I had to kind of like walk them through, well,
what does this mean where my body has cancer?
And like you then you really do have it.
We never want to deny this reality.
It's just that we have access to calling
on a higher reality to have that authority.
And that's what the only way you have
the authority to call on the higher authority is if you choose that you are
who God says that you are, that's the only way.
Everything else is simply a victim just waiting and hoping for God to act.
Yeah. And God's like, you know, I've already done it.
You choose this and then operate and work with me.
I guess in other words, he'll teach us how to bring in the authority so that it so
that the higher authority comes into the lower authority and overcomes it.
You know, in other words, there's a miracle or whatever.
You're not denied.
It's just that two laws are existing at the same time, the lower law and the higher
law, but this higher law always trumps the lower law whenever they're in the vicinity.
Yeah, that's all.
not denying this one in favor of this one, because if you deny this,
this one exists in the favor of this one, or that this is not as powerful
as it actually is, as it actually is, well, then you can't actually call on
this one because you're, you're not operating and you're not operating in
reality. It's as if we don't think this is strong enough, unless we just get
rid of this one. If we get rid of this one, then, but because this is the only
one that exists, it's really powerful. No, no, because then, then we're not
actually agreeing that it's as powerful as God says that it is. It's as powerful
as he is while this one's existing. So they don't cancel each other out. They
can both exist at the same time. It's just that this one's higher.
Yeah, yeah. I was just sort of, yeah, thinking of it in the sense of, okay,
well, so I'm not actually subject to this cycle that's going on. So
essentially, like, in my position in Christ, you know, I am free of it. I'm
free. Well, yeah.
You're spiritist, and understand that your soul is, you know, you know, we're
afraid in certain areas, and then your body is manifesting the is, is, it's not
just manifesting a fear, it's because it's afraid. It thinks that it has to
follow these laws. So what happened, there is a scientific reason why, you
know, there could be a spiritual reason, but usually, all of the a lot of these
things, there's a spirit, there's a physical reason that doctors can track
and say, look, it's here in the DNA, or it's because you did this, or it's
because such and such happens, right. And so there's reasons for it, but it
doesn't mean, excuse me, but but so it means that the body felt like it had to
succumb to it, because it didn't know it had a higher authority to pull on. It
thought this is the only one that there is. And so what we want to do, and so
anyway, that's why I say that, yeah, you're in Christ, you are, you're not
threatened by, by earthly laws. But your body is succumbing to it, because it
thinks it's, it's its only option, you know, as of other things that we believed
or our ancestors believed, or whatever. So it's not like your body is just
simply manifesting the fear. It's because it's afraid it's succumbing to the laws
that it was born into. It's operating the way that God intended. I don't mean God
intended for us to get sick. I mean that he created all these laws to work this
way. And because there's so much sin and unbelief in the world, that the laws
operated are operating in so much chaos, but they're still operating the way that
they were intended to operate. But they're operating on a chaotic side, not
on their order side. Yeah, yeah. And we're just trying to, we're not trying
to eliminate the physical laws by overcoming them. We're just trying to get
them to all come back into order and to stop being so chaotic, like sickness, all
that, but, but we're not going to get rid of gravity by trying to overcome. God
didn't intend that, but he wanted just like Jesus, he could walk on, on the, on
the road to Emmaus, or he could ascend. He could choose when he wanted to operate
within the laws. And when he wanted to operate, you know, not subject to them,
when he wanted to partner with them and walk on the ground or eat. And then when
he didn't, he can do that once he resurrected, that's what we're doing.
We're simply bringing all the laws back into order. We're not getting rid of
them.
No, yeah, yeah. I think it's just one, one last thing. You talked about like,
when you're walking according to the tree of life. And I, you know, I think,
you know, I'm on a real journey with that, because I've been very much one to,
you know, go according to principles and wisdom and stuff like that. But no, I
mean, I'm growing in that area. But you talked about like, you just know
something, you know, when you're, when you're in your position, you know, of
union with God, and you just know, I don't know, I guess that feels like a bit
unsafe to me, but then that's probably normal.
What do you mean? I'm missing the context. What did I say? I know things.
So it's like, okay, when you get into that place of, you know, okay, I'm, I'm
in union with God, you know, I'm, yeah, the new man and everything. Then you
talked about, you know, you have everything that you've ever needed. And
you, you know, you know, everything. So, you know, sometimes you talk about
about like you just know something rather than okay well the bible says this or you know principles or
and you know of course you can use those that's like knowledge tree of the knowledge of good
and evil is not wrong thing but there was did seem to be a sense of okay in the tree of life
um you can just know the answer is that some sort of so in it when i i used you know operating
point of the tree of life just as kind of like a an anchor for people to realize okay it's not
the tree of knowledge you can heal it's tree of life but really what it is is we're just abiding
in god yeah we're abiding god and we're in him and he's in us then and he knows all things
then you're in the thing and you're existing in the environment in which there's all knowledge
so to speak and i don't mean like just physical knowledge i mean just like i don't know uh i
don't know spiritual things you know etc so you have you have access to it and then the lord you
have access to what it is that you know he knows and you have access to you know spirit of wisdom
and all of that i don't mean that we're so powerful that we can just know whatever it is that
we want and then we can just uh whatever what i mean is that because we're operating from that
plate when we're operating from that place of like that union with the lord he he um that's the
the i'll just say that's the place from in that connection from which we get revelation from the
in other words you're seeing things and god's talking to you and you have less resistance to
hearing him so that's what that that's what i mean it's not that in every single situation
that you're going to run into when you're abiding in the lord you're going to now know everything
it's it's like it everything is based on relationship it's like what does god want
to tell you in that moment it's just what i would just meant was there's no longer a
um avail there's no longer a separation there's no you know from you and um and the spirit realm
and access to knowledge but we're still reliant on what does god want to tell us what do we know
i mean not what do we know and what does he want us to know what does he want to reveal
that's all that i mean about knowledge what is god revealing to your spirit
it's not us operating just because oh well i'm because i'm here you know without god's interaction
i can just get knowledge to access to whatever knowledge that i want people have done that
but when they do that they're starting to operate outside of god and um uh and that's extremely
dangerous in other words that's not operating in the tree of life anymore that is now using
uh very dangerous uh spiritual tools to uh do things that you want i mean that's things that
like witches do and and whatever we don't want to do that so we're not i'm not talking about that
i'm talking about both things because god there's no longer resistance to you hearing something that
god wants you to know when he wants you to know it all that i was talking about with the knowledge
is simply revelation to your spirit that god's spirit is giving you yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
and that is something we can we i mean i think i need to grow in that you know this yeah yeah
yeah yeah yeah yeah um oh okay yeah thank you so much for
yeah absolutely yeah um
well i don't know when i will get this recording and uh because we're we're about to go on a trip
but i um as soon as i get it up i will um i'll let you know how to be able to access that you'll
be able to access it via the internet yeah like on my website so yeah yeah brilliant oh thanks so
much ashley yeah welcome i'm glad that you've enjoyed it everything and so amazing yeah um
we'll just have a wonderful road trip thank you i will and let me pray over you if i may really
quick yeah yeah yeah lord pray that you'd be with them susanna and pray uh ask that you would touch
her body touch her touch her soul lord touch her spirit um that it you would just strengthen all
three of them that she would come into greater knowledge revelation of who it is who it is that
you are that she would
feel that intimate bond with you, that you would strengthen, Lord, her faith by just
interaction with you, by connection, by, again, Lord, that revelation, just knowing you, Lord,
as a being. And thank you for showing her such favor that she has the desire for you that she
does, and for having met her, for having always given her the victory whenever you've invited her
into something that you meant to fulfill it, and that you mean to do the same thing here.
Pray that you would show her, Lord, how to rest, how to release, how to let go, how to love,
enjoy, and pour into the different aspects of her, Lord, that you've given. In Jesus's name, amen.
Amen. All right.
You take care, and I will let you know when this is uploaded.
Great. Thank you so much.
You're welcome.
Yeah.
Bye.
Thank you again. All right. Bye.
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