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And we're off.

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What's up VIPers?

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What's happening?

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It's so good to see all of you.

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It really is.

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I'm really enjoying the interaction.

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I mean, I wish I could share some of the emails that you're sending me about your own personal

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situations and how you're overcoming certain things.

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It's so much fun.

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I'm actually sharing some of the stuff with my wife.

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And so she's just like, honey, I knew this is what you were going to love doing.

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And she's right.

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This is love sharing life with all of you.

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It's just such an honor sharing life with you.

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Miguel!

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Miguel, were you there for the challenge?

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Were you there last session?

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I told you I just joined.

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No, I did not.

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Sorry.

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I got to catch up on my recording.

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You know, so, yeah, so you may not want to watch it.

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Your name kind of came up.

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Already?

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What's going on?

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It did.

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Your name came up.

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Yeah, it was it was kind of bad.

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Does anybody want to tell them what happened?

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You must be present to win.

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Yes, that's what we heard yesterday.

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You have to be present to win.

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It was in the fine print.

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I saw it.

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Do not rewrite the rules.

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Carol had already texted me.

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I heard.

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Carol already texted me.

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I had to show up to make sure it does not happen.

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Right.

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Because John would say something like this.

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And then.

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You know, the thing that's great, Miguel, is like, we've got a group of individuals

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that are being taught, trained by a lawyer.

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They're all turning into lawyers.

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You just saw it.

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It's in the fine print.

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I saw it on this slide.

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It's here.

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I love that.

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It's so awesome.

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I'm actually going to give up, give away two of those, so don't worry about it.

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Remember the electronic business card that I showed you at the conference?

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The conference.

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Yeah.

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You won it.

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So I'm going to give away.

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I was going to get one of those, man.

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That's a blessing.

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Those are.

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I really love having it.

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It's amazing.

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So tomorrow I'm going to give away another one of those and then do the other prizes

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as well.

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So that's too funny.

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That is too funny.

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Let's see.

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Is up.

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Here's Alyssa.

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I love that, John.

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It's in the fine print.

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I saw it.

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So I don't, I don't know if you saw it, Peter, but I volunteered a couple dozen cookies to

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give away as well.

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Really?

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They don't need, they don't need to be present to win.

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Wow.

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Hey, let's put that in.

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We'll add that in tomorrow.

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A couple dozen.

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Are you serious?

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So just one, one, one baker's dozen per person.

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And you can give away one tomorrow and one Friday, however you want to.

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You're so awesome, John.

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That's awesome.

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Just love it.

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John, was it in the fine print that I get those too, like already by winning or.

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Miguel, you know what I tell my father-in-law when we show up somewhere, he goes, where's

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the cookies?

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And I said, you know, Glenn, it's really strange.

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Every time the money shows up, the cookies show up.

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Kitchen.

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Kitchen.

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Entrepreneur.

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Right.

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True.

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Yeah.

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You've been schooled.

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You've been schooled twice now this morning, Miguel.

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I keep a humble spirit.

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I am so far behind Miguel.

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It's just.

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I love Miguel.

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He's well down the road.

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You know, when I went to the conference and I'll jump in like literally in a minute, I

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just want to make sure Larissa is all set up first.

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I got to make her co-host.

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So I'm just kind of thank you for wrapping up the other thing, Larissa.

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Can you guys just type in the chat just like thanks to Larissa?

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Because I mean, honestly, for her to be doing this, it's awesome.

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Like we've kind of exchanged like I put her in in the in the challenge, in the VIP.

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She has direct access to me if she ever has, you know, direct questions, you know, so we

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kind of swap.

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But still, I mean, so courteous, so kind.

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Just really.

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Thank you, Larissa.

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I really appreciate that.

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My pleasure.

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I mean, gosh, to hang with this fabulous, beautiful, intellectual, creative group of

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people every day.

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It's awesome.

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Great for me.

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Did you make me co-host, my friend?

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I did.

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I'm recording.

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Please start recording.

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All right.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, I already started it.

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I because I do video editing anyway.

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So I'm going to clip all this stuff.

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Actually, you know what I'll do?

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I'll just video edit it later.

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So yeah, just real quick with Miguel.

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Miguel and I met at the at the conference and he was so kind and courteous.

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Like he was just really nice to me.

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Like it was the first time I ever had exposure to the conference itself.

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You know, had exposure to 100x, but never to conference.

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And yeah, we just hit it off right then.

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So yeah, just love you, brother.

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You're awesome.

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A lot of good people here.

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So, um, we're going to jump into copyrights here, but this is your time.

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So that means that you can ask on any topic.

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Like if you want to hit copyright, you want to hit trademarks.

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We're not going to hit patents today.

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All right.

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We're doing patents tomorrow, so I don't want to jump into patents yet.

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But since you're in VIP, I want to give you a head start on something

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that you're going to see tomorrow.

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Um, and so I'm going to give you a preview of something I already

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shared in the Facebook group.

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It's a scenario.

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Has anybody seen that scenario yet?

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Uh, let me pull it up for you so you can actually see what I'm talking about.

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So in the group, protect your idea challenge.

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Let me share my screen.

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While you're doing that, do you have, um, a good chunk of questions to address today?

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If not, I've got the chat.

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There were good questions and already.

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Yeah, we can do both.

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I have, I have some that were emailed to me and you can do the chat ones as well.

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So under, uh, you should be able to see my screen right now, right?

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That's the Facebook group.

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You click on their guides and you scroll down, you'll see documents

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for challenge and guide number two.

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Click on scenario.

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It's called burger town.

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Get to know that today or tomorrow.

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I'm going to go over it tomorrow, tomorrow live, but you're going to be shocked.

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You're going to be shocked at when you read this, you're going to be able to spot

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the legal issues as you're reading the scenario.

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If I had showed you this scenario before we started, you'd probably

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get maybe 20% of the legal issues.

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So take a look at this today.

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If you get a chance, cause you're in VIP.

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So I want to give you a preview to it.

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Just take a look at it.

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And as you do, um, you're going to see, you're going to be able to spot check issues.

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Why am I doing this with you?

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Because the real world is not like what we're doing right now.

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Like you don't get to sit down and in your specific situation, go, oh, well,

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you know, issues a, B and C are here.

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Now, let me do an analysis of that and determine whether or

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not that's an issue or not.

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Like in real life, you need to be able to spot the issues.

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So what I do is I created a very simple scenario that I utilize that will allow

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you in real life to spot situations.

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As an example, like Rowena and other people who have been in the challenge

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before, like as coaches, they go into situations and their, their people

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identify situations to them and they immediately say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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You can't show that at the trade show.

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If you show that to trade show, you might violate, you know, the offer for sale

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bar, cause you're offering it for sale.

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Or, you know, you, if you should, if you're showing that logo,

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you can't put the circle on it.

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You don't have the federal registration yet.

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You can get sued for tortious interference with business practice.

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Like, this is the lingo that you're using as a hundred X coaches.

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That's insane.

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Like that is like, that does not happen.

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Like people were typically talking about whatever they're coaching on, but now

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you have knowledge in the area of intellectual property that you can

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apply to guide your people.

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And that's really intent of all this is to help you be able to do that.

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Also a crush that use coach.

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So, yes, that's right.

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As a crush that you coach.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, as people are creating their funnels, you'd be able to say to them,

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hold it, you've got the tick talk logo on the top of your funnel.

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Are you crazy?

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Like you, you can't do that.

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Like now the people just don't, they didn't know beforehand.

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So now that they have the knowledge, they're not going to take the

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federally registered trademark of another party and put that, you know,

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on the front of their funnel because they can get in trouble.

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And obviously the people that are utilizing that there's they're very well

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intentioned because they're trying to draw the audience.

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And that's one of the best way to draw an audience is to use the trademarks of that

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entity that you're trying to draw from, right?

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The problem is it's called trademark infringement.

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So you can't really do that.

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There's ways to actually do that.

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And so what I actually do, I actually guide people on funnels as well.

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That's a separate thing that, that I do.

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We can talk about another time.

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Cause I don't want to waste your time right now.

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This is your time.

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So let's go, Larissa, where are you on my screen?

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There you are.

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Do you want to start sharing some of the chat questions and then

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I'll go into the emails.

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That question that came up before, while you're right there,

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you said the word funnel, someone asked.

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100X or a challenger, like Pedro gives us a framework funnel, but we fill it in and we make it our own.

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Are we infringing his copyright? What happens there? Can we copyright our funnel?

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Pedro is one of the most generous individuals I've ever met.

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I mean, like, I can't tell you the internal stuff that I deal with, you know, with him legally, obviously, I mean, I have the honor of working with him directly.

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But I can tell you that he is incredibly generous, like literally every single thing that you see, his worksheets, his flow charts, his copy, his funnels, his like, his audio, his like, I mean, all the stuff.

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He technically could claim ownership to literally every single one of those things.

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And he freely hands that stuff out just because he cares so much about you guys.

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I mean that it's, it's kind of humbling.

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It really is. Because if he wanted to, he could say, look, you can, you can absolutely be in this course, but if you want a copy of literally anything I've shown you, you've got to pay another $4.95.

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And people would pay it.

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They'd have no problem with it. They like, they would say, hold it, that worksheet literally just made my life exponentially easier.

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So they would pay it as an OTO. In a second, they would go.

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But he doesn't, like, there's certain things he does care about, like, you know, trademarks are very important to him, like, you know, certain, the looks of his funnels are important to him.

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He doesn't want you like taking his content, like you should speak to him directly, but he would tell you, I don't want you taking my content and put it into your funnel because you're, you're essentially misrepresenting me, right?

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Even if you're like, even if you're in a situation where, you know, he totally trusts, you should ask his personal permission for what kind of things you're taking.

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But if you're taking the general format of the funnel and he's told you, hey, I'm putting this in ClickFunnels for you, just change the text, do yourself a big, a big favor, change the images, change the logos, like, don't use his images, like, don't use his logos, like, you know, the place where they belong, now make it your own.

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And as you make it your own, at that point, you can now say, this is my copyright protectable work, because when you're doing a funnel, there's a general framework, right?

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Like you have, you have your first statement, and there's usually a picture of the person there, or a video there.

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And you know, that first statement is like an eye catcher, like, when I look at that, when that screen pops up, that top portion there, it better draw me in, because if you didn't draw me in here, then I'm not scrolling down.

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So that whole layout of how he does it, you know, and then, and then where he puts about me, and where he talks about the product, and where he puts the price, those kind of things, if he's allowing you to utilize it in a funnel, just say thank you, that you have somebody who will actually give you that stuff, but then make it your own.

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Don't, because I've seen situations where people have literally taken his stuff, practically word for word, and then slapped their name on it. And that's not, that's not good. That's just not good. Is he going to do something about it? Well, that's up to him, you know, but I just say make it your own. Okay. Is there a follow up question to that?

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Yeah, he's got a good one. And you, you might just know, I have my own feeling being in the programs, when your coach or a certified consultant, five paid or a day out, when we teach his challenge framework, which he's given to us as part of the program, are we infringing?

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You need to talk to them, you should talk directly to them, talk to Holly, talk to Scott, you know, because I don't know if you guys saw this recently, there was, there was an email that went out to all of us that talks about their own do it with you service that they're now providing.

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You know, that's new. Like, that's, that's something that's new that they're doing. So, you know, I'm sure there's going to be certain things that they believe are important to them, and that they own. And so they're, you know, this is a, it's a growing phase for everybody. So everybody's trying to figure out what can I do? What can't I do? So, you know, just be honoring and reach out and just say, Hey, look, I've learned so much from you.

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I'm doing training in this area as well. Obviously, I've, you know, I've taken your, your, your crush at you course. So I could be a certified, you know, representative of you, which portions can I use and which portions can't I use just be upfront. I mean, he is, again, like I have dealt for like 25 years with individuals who provide

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content and protected and all, and he is ridiculously generous, like, you know, I mean,

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he doesn't even put a copyright notice on most things. He just gives it to you guys. So, I mean,

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I even, I was like reprimanding him before. It's like, what are you doing? Like, you know,

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what if somebody else grabs it? He's like, whatever. He's just, I think for him, it's kind

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of like the kingdom mindset. It's like, look, you know, I've been blessed with this. I want to bless

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others. But at the same time, there's certain things that he believed is his own. So, I would

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just reach out to him and ask. Coach Jennifer, I'm going to jump to you because I don't think

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you got to ask the question in it earlier. So, go right ahead, my friend. Hi. Hi. So, some of these

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I sent an email to you and it's sort of along these lines about this idea of funnels and work

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we do with others. I understood what you said this morning about filing the copyright and kind

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of how you figure out which category. I think my questions are probably more what feels like gray

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area about who actually owns what and how to figure that out, right? Like even Pedro's funnels.

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He's been very clear. He's like, you paid for the program. This was part of a bonus.

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He gave us the template. Take it, use it. And he's gone so far as to say we could use it,

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modify it, and use it in work we're doing for our own consulting clients. Right. All right. So, I

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don't feel like that's in violation. But my questions are around, let's say someone else

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builds a funnel for me. Who owns that work? Do they own it or do they own it? Okay. So, I could.

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That's why you have to make sure they assign all right title and interest to you. That's why in my

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own agreement, even with the own agency that I literally just started using, they didn't have

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the language in the agreement that mentioned anything with regard to, you know, all right

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title and interest or blah, blah, blah. I put it in there. I literally wrote it into my own agreement

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and said, you know, and by all means, like they intended it to be there. They're just not lawyers.

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But I don't know who's going to own their company in five years. I don't know who's going to own

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their company in one year. And so, I can't think to myself, well, I know this guy. It's okay. I

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don't have to worry about it. That person, you know, they may end up on an island. God bless

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them. Hopefully, you know, they retire and they're incredibly well off. Now, I'm dealing with another

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person. And that other person may not be that same kind of person. They may come out and say, hold it.

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We own everything we create. If you want to own that funnel, you got to pay us a premium.

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Right. And so, likewise for me, then for my consulting clients, when I'm designing their

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their funnels, when I'm designing their ads and I'm doing that work for them, I then own that.

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Correct? Yeah. But what you don't want to do, Jennifer, is you don't want to surprise them.

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Because then people are going to just think you're slimy, right? And all of us here know

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you're not. And so, what I would do is I would make sure, you know, upfront you have in your

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agreement when you're working with them that you'll assign all right title and interest for

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the funnel to them. Okay. You know, and in there, you can actually have the language that says,

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however, I maintain all right title and interest to any of my original works that I possess before

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engaging you. So, it's not like you're losing what you already have. You're just giving some

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them some kind of new work that they can utilize, you know. But it's not, you don't want to end up

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in a situation where you finish the agreement, you agree, you agreed upon the price, everything's

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working really well, then all of a sudden, surprise! I own the rights to this. Then they're

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going to go, whoa, whoa, what are you trying to do? Like, we already negotiated this. Like, just

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do it upfront. You have, because you've been in this environment, you have knowledge that other

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people do not have. So, you should be able to bypass all the issues. Right from the start,

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you should be able to create your own agreements when you're working for somebody that says that

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you're going to assign all right title and interest to others. And they're actually going to be

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impressed that you even know that. Well, it seems like that would be a great value, like, to say to

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them, like, look, I just want you to know, I'm going to do this. I'm going to help you. But my,

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here's what we're going to do. You're actually going to own the work. So, that going forward,

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you know, do what you want, rinse and repeat, hire somebody, you know, run the challenge or whatever.

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It's yours. The ads, if we're running a course in their ad account, like it's in their ad account.

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So, that to me says they own that as well. Even if I did the design work again, I would need to,

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I see what you're saying, assign that to them. Just make sure of one thing, Jennifer, as you're

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doing this, make sure that the works that you're doing for them are not generic. Make sure they're

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very specific to what they're doing. Don't use a generic design and give it to somebody else and

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then say they have the IP rights to that, because then you can't use the generic design.

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All right.

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There's two ways around this.

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Number one, you can, in your agreement,

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state that you maintain a non-exclusive license to all works that you

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create.

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So you're not just, you're not just assigning our right title and

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interest over, but you're assigning our right title interest.

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Plus you're maintaining a non-exclusive license to the work.

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And to make derivative works of that work.

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Okay.

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So what that essentially is, is it's kind of like saying, look,

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I'm going to sell you my car, but when I need the car, I can use it.

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And you can't say anything about it. Matter of fact,

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I can go to your house at three in the morning.

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I can take the keys and I could take the car out of your driveway.

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And you can't call the cops because I have legal rights to that,

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but it's yours. It's totally yours. You can modify it.

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You can do whatever you want.

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The reason why you're maintaining that non-exclusive license is

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specifically because you don't want them to come back at you at some

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other point and say, hold it. You're modifying my work. That's my work.

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You assigned all right. Title of interest. It's only mine.

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So if you maintain a non-exclusive right,

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a non-exclusive license to the original work,

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this is where a lawyer becomes very important. You know,

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you sit down with a lawyer once you have the whole layout done,

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you have the right language, the right agreement,

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and then you just use the same document.

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You don't need the lawyer anymore. You do it once, get it done. Right.

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Once then it's like copy, copy, change the party's name and address.

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That's it. You know, that's how that's good business.

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That's a good investment.

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So what you want to do is just make sure for your agreement,

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you assign all right title and interest,

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but you maintain a non-exclusive license to the work that you created.

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Plus any modifications or derivative works. The language is derivative.

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Works.

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You have to maintain a non-exclusive license to the derivative works.

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If you do that, then by all means, they can do whatever they want.

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You can't stop them and you can do what you want and they can't stop you.

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That makes it a perfect relationship. That's called a win-win.

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Nobody has any problems.

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So what if they take, uh,

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I make a funnel for them and my client runs into your dentist example.

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Right. So, you know, and they go, Oh, well, I, I own this funnel.

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You can use it. It's mine. They told me it's mine. Sure.

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You can just copy it and, you know, put in your own stuff.

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Like would that, is that get covered then or not?

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Ask me that again. Cause I didn't really follow that. So, okay.

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So let's say I have the funnel for somebody. Yeah. That's the first step.

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All right. And then what happens?

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And as you said, we have, we have this agreement.

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And then my client, uh,

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meet someone else in their same industry or any other industry.

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And they said, Oh, I've got a funnel. I've done this before. Sure.

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Hold on. Hold on right there. Hold on right there. You said your client,

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your client, that's the same client that you created the funnel for. Yes.

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Meet somebody else in the industry. Yeah.

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Someone else that I know their neighbor there, whatever.

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And that other party says what.

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And my client says to this other person, their neighbor, their whoever.

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I have a funnel you can use. You can just copy it all.

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They can do whatever they want. They can do that. Okay.

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Once you assign a right title and interest, they have all rights.

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They have rights to the original work.

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Okay.

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And they can do that all day long unless they can make any,

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any modifications to the derivative work all day long.

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Nothing you can do about it.

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Okay.

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That's why I see.

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This is why I wanted you guys to understand what's actually happening.

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This is why copyrights are so important.

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You have to make sure that you are okay.

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When you're creating a work for another party,

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you're okay with them modifying it, selling it.

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You're okay with them modifying it.

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You're okay with them modifying it.

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You're okay with them modifying it.

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You didn't even know this existed.

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Now, you know, so now you need to make a business decision.

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If you're going to make a.

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If you're going to make a, if you're not speaking,

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if you can mute your line, that'd be awesome. Thanks.

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So if you're going to.

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Enter into an agreement with another party.

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You need to determine how am I going to feel about that work that I

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created?

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And then you need to decide, okay,

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I'm going to modify it myself.

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Are you okay with that?

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Or is that going to bother you?

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Are you okay with your competition?

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Getting a copy of that and modifying it.

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If you're okay with that,

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then you can assign all right title and interest.

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If you're not okay with that,

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then what you're giving is called a non-exclusive license only.

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And this is the right to make a derivative work means you can modify it.

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If you want to say, Hey, look, this is yours.

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To utilize all you want. And anytime you want to modify it,

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you got to come back to me.

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Right.

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Then you want to maintain the right to all derivative works.

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Okay.

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So that's what the non-exclusive license agreement says.

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No rights to derivative works are provided.

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Now, I mean, but you gotta be careful, right?

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You're trying to build a business.

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If you get so restrictive,

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people are not gonna wanna work with you, okay?

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With that, let me go to another person

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because there's a lot of questions today.

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Awesome, thank you so much.

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Oh, my pleasure, my pleasure.

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Danielle, let me go to you

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and then I'm gonna jump into some of these

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Facebook emailed questions to me as well.

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Hey, Peter.

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Hello, my friend.

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How are you?

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Hello, chief.

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All right, there are a lot of people

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who are either creating courses or writing funnels,

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the copyright for their ads,

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but they're using things like Jasper,

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the AI copywriters, right?

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That you plug in something and it spits it back out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Are they able to copyright that?

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I think that's important for people to think about

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because they're using Canva for images.

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That's a great question.

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All right, so I actually write a ton of patents

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in artificial intelligence,

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like neural networks and understanding all the nuances

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of how this is actually working at the memory phase

465
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.560
and creative works.

466
00:26:09.560 --> 00:26:14.560
There's a whole body of law that is focused on AI.

467
00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:19.200
Whole new, I mean, it's fairly new

468
00:26:20.600 --> 00:26:22.640
and there's a lot of fights that are going on,

469
00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:23.680
a lot of fights.

470
00:26:23.680 --> 00:26:27.520
Like Danielle, this is a very active area of the law

471
00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:31.600
and there's still some shaping and forming

472
00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:33.360
that's being done.

473
00:26:33.360 --> 00:26:36.760
So I think what I might do is maybe drop one or two links.

474
00:26:36.760 --> 00:26:39.000
Larissa, if you could DM me,

475
00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:40.480
I might drop one or two links

476
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:43.240
that are on this exact subject matter

477
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.640
because it's a very hot area

478
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:47.640
where there's a lot of litigation.

479
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:49.760
So I'll tell you in general,

480
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.280
in general, for these machines to actually,

481
00:26:53.280 --> 00:26:55.520
or for these systems to actually create the final work,

482
00:26:55.520 --> 00:26:57.160
you have to enter something.

483
00:26:57.800 --> 00:27:00.640
And so one line of argument is that the creativity

484
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:04.320
is on the side of the entering of the information

485
00:27:04.320 --> 00:27:06.680
that results in the finished work.

486
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.960
That's one side of the argument,

487
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:11.120
but then there's a whole other side of the argument,

488
00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:14.560
which is the person who actually owns the software

489
00:27:14.560 --> 00:27:15.920
who is saying, well, yeah,

490
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:18.080
you may have entered in five words,

491
00:27:18.080 --> 00:27:22.600
but I created a 350 page or 350 word document

492
00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:24.000
based on those five words.

493
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:25.760
So therefore I own the copyright.

494
00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:29.920
Those are the two different sides of the argument.

495
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:34.240
It's leaning towards,

496
00:27:35.280 --> 00:27:39.000
it's leaning towards the ownership being on the side

497
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.080
of the party that's entering the data

498
00:27:41.080 --> 00:27:44.360
if what they're entering is a creative work.

499
00:27:44.360 --> 00:27:48.920
Like if all you're entering is shoes, dog, New Hampshire,

500
00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:52.560
and all of a sudden like a 500 page book comes out,

501
00:27:52.560 --> 00:27:54.440
you didn't really like create Jack.

502
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.640
Like you just, you know, that's so far away

503
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:00.920
from the actual creation of creative work

504
00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.240
that I would say in that situation,

505
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:04.560
it may be more likely.

506
00:28:04.560 --> 00:28:06.120
And just so you know, Danielle,

507
00:28:06.120 --> 00:28:08.680
again, this is a very hot area.

508
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:13.240
It's right in there with NFTs.

509
00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:17.000
NFTs is a whole other, like so hot,

510
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.000
like lots of law that's being creative right now,

511
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.600
literally right now in this area.

512
00:28:22.600 --> 00:28:25.720
And so it typically, typically what they do

513
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:28.160
is they look at how much exactly did you create

514
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:30.280
or did you enter into the creative work?

515
00:28:30.280 --> 00:28:33.120
If what you entered really is like de minimis,

516
00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:35.480
then you're not gonna own the copyright.

517
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:39.360
If what you entered in is more substantive,

518
00:28:39.360 --> 00:28:40.760
chances are a lot higher

519
00:28:40.760 --> 00:28:42.400
that you're gonna own the copyright.

520
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.760
That's generally the balance that's happening right now.

521
00:28:45.760 --> 00:28:46.880
But I'm telling you, Danielle,

522
00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:51.440
you hit on probably one of the top two,

523
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:55.720
if not the number one biggest issue in copyright right now,

524
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.440
because they're trying to figure this out.

525
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:01.440
I mean, there are software programs

526
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:06.440
that can do amazing things just by knowing your background.

527
00:29:06.520 --> 00:29:09.440
Like, you know, you just, you give it your bio, boom,

528
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:12.680
an entire like software app is created

529
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:14.280
based on your desires and everything.

530
00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:16.280
It's like, it's amazing.

531
00:29:16.280 --> 00:29:18.040
So the question is who owns that?

532
00:29:19.040 --> 00:29:20.520
Right, yeah, because if you look at-

533
00:29:20.520 --> 00:29:23.320
If the majority of the work is being done by the software,

534
00:29:23.320 --> 00:29:25.080
it might be the software company.

535
00:29:25.080 --> 00:29:25.920
Yeah.

536
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:27.840
If you're doing, yeah, it depends.

537
00:29:27.840 --> 00:29:29.560
I asked the question because, you know, if you,

538
00:29:29.560 --> 00:29:33.160
and I'll just pick on Jasper, right, which was Jarvis.

539
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.880
You go there and they tell you, you pay this

540
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:40.080
and you can pump in these words so that we write,

541
00:29:40.080 --> 00:29:44.960
whether it's your bio, a blog for you, your marketing,

542
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.240
go use this, right?

543
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:47.320
Yeah, yeah.

544
00:29:47.320 --> 00:29:48.160
And you can tweak the words out

545
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:51.520
because it doesn't write it perfect, but that's false.

546
00:29:51.520 --> 00:29:55.080
If you're not reading the terms and that's false illusion

547
00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:56.840
that you have the right to it.

548
00:29:56.840 --> 00:29:59.120
Well, keep this in mind though, Danielle,

549
00:29:59.120 --> 00:30:00.160
when you sign up for-

550
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:03.600
Those programs, a lot of those programs have already considered this issue,

551
00:30:03.600 --> 00:30:06.200
and they have a copyright notice in the, in the app.

552
00:30:06.200 --> 00:30:07.720
You have to look at the legal jargon.

553
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:12.040
Like there are software applications like dragon naturally speaking.

554
00:30:12.080 --> 00:30:18.240
And like, um, there's some online ones that I'll take my, like my video here

555
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:24.160
and then just create, you know, a, um, a, an entire writeup of every

556
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:26.480
single word that was spoken.

557
00:30:26.480 --> 00:30:26.880
Right.

558
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:32.360
But in that app, when you subscribe to it, it specifically says, all right.

559
00:30:32.360 --> 00:30:36.120
Title and interest is assigned to you as a subscriber of the service.

560
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:40.080
And we do not maintain any other rights except a non-exclusive

561
00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:44.320
license to create the work for you and to store it for future use.

562
00:30:44.320 --> 00:30:47.360
So what you want to do is any of the software apps that you're using,

563
00:30:47.360 --> 00:30:51.880
especially online, most of them have thought of this already, because

564
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:55.800
there, there are a lot of people that are incredibly creative that are using them.

565
00:30:56.320 --> 00:30:59.720
And they've thought because they know copyright law, they've said, this is an

566
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.560
issue I don't want to run into a problem.

567
00:31:01.560 --> 00:31:05.040
So for that reason, you look, you've got to look at the legal jargon.

568
00:31:05.080 --> 00:31:09.880
And then on top of that, just call them up and say, Hey, I'm using your software

569
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.200
here, this is what's going on.

570
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:12.480
I want to make sure I own the copyright.

571
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:13.800
Where's that in your legal terms.

572
00:31:14.360 --> 00:31:17.720
I'm telling you like 90% of the companies will have already addressed

573
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:21.960
this because if you're in copywriting, if you're in creating works, people

574
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.520
are asking these questions because you know, the people that are at the top

575
00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:28.520
echelon, they understand these legal issues.

576
00:31:28.560 --> 00:31:28.880
All right.

577
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:29.200
Yeah.

578
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.000
And that's why I brought it up because I think so many people are using stuff

579
00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:36.520
like that and video editing things that are very simple to do, and they're

580
00:31:36.520 --> 00:31:39.840
not reading the terms and that's the answer is you got to go back to the

581
00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:43.440
terms for everything you're using right now, because what you're even

582
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.720
creating may not be yours now.

583
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:46.720
Oh, I know.

584
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:47.400
It may be.

585
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:47.960
Yeah, I know.

586
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:48.920
I know for me it is.

587
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:49.280
Yeah.

588
00:31:49.280 --> 00:31:52.200
I know that's why I don't put it on Facebook.

589
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:52.480
Yeah.

590
00:31:53.080 --> 00:31:56.720
So the question about that, Peter, like what if she does that?

591
00:31:56.760 --> 00:32:00.040
It spits it out and then we modify it.

592
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:05.240
Like what I do with that is I'll put in words, I get content and then I tweak it.

593
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:06.200
Yeah.

594
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:11.920
So it goes back again, coach Karen, it goes back to who owned the original work.

595
00:32:13.120 --> 00:32:17.920
If, if the, if the, if the software entity owned the original work and you modify

596
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:19.560
it, you're violating their copyright.

597
00:32:20.560 --> 00:32:24.880
This is why I'm telling you most of these companies have in their legal terms,

598
00:32:25.520 --> 00:32:29.600
specifically who owns the copyright and the rights to derivative works for

599
00:32:29.600 --> 00:32:35.680
modification, they address it right in there because what they don't want is you

600
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:41.000
subscribe to their service for like $600, $900 a year, whatever it is.

601
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:45.800
And then all of a sudden they don't want to be suing you for using their service

602
00:32:46.280 --> 00:32:51.480
to create a work that they're trying to make you, they're trying to make you an

603
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:52.080
affiliate.

604
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:53.520
They don't want to sue you.

605
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.680
You know, they want to get you to get more people to come to them.

606
00:32:56.680 --> 00:33:00.040
So most of the times you're going to see in their legal terms, they've

607
00:33:00.040 --> 00:33:02.120
already addressed this Libby.

608
00:33:03.080 --> 00:33:03.640
Let's go to you.

609
00:33:03.640 --> 00:33:06.040
I'm going to take one more here and then I'm going to go to some that are written

610
00:33:06.040 --> 00:33:06.320
ones.

611
00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:08.640
And then I'll come back to the questions here.

612
00:33:09.040 --> 00:33:09.800
Go right ahead, Libby.

613
00:33:10.120 --> 00:33:11.120
How are you?

614
00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:12.120
Hello?

615
00:33:12.120 --> 00:33:15.600
Well, I'm still, I mean, when I shared earlier,

616
00:33:15.800 --> 00:33:19.880
it's like four in the morning and it's like, I can't make my head and my words

617
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:20.400
together.

618
00:33:20.520 --> 00:33:22.720
You wouldn't like the ambitious award.

619
00:33:22.760 --> 00:33:24.000
Like you really do.

620
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:25.080
It's amazing.

621
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:26.200
Wow.

622
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:27.200
Just want to celebrate you.

623
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:27.640
That's awesome.

624
00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:33.080
I could tell you were up late last night because I could see where I was going on.

625
00:33:33.320 --> 00:33:34.640
Like I read it here.

626
00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:36.000
It must be, you know?

627
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:36.800
Yeah.

628
00:33:36.800 --> 00:33:41.480
So I, right after we finished, what I do is I then go into like, it has to be

629
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:43.000
finished processing and zoom.

630
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.920
And then I download it and go into my video editing software and modify things.

631
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.960
But the intros, the, you know, all that other stuff, cut out things that I don't

632
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:50.920
think that should be there.

633
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:56.560
Um, and then I create the final work, but then after that's created, it has to be

634
00:33:56.560 --> 00:33:57.080
rendered.

635
00:33:57.520 --> 00:34:02.760
So then once it's, it takes like an hour and a half to render like a 4k, you know,

636
00:34:02.760 --> 00:34:05.200
40 gig, um, thing.

637
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.080
And I have like a $2,500 computer that actually does all this.

638
00:34:08.080 --> 00:34:10.360
And then after that, you then have to upload it.

639
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.280
So then it has to be uploaded and then processed, which takes like another hour

640
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:14.600
and a half.

641
00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.480
So when it crashed, I said, are you kidding me?

642
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:18.800
So I tried it again.

643
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.760
And then at three in the morning, I said, it's processing.

644
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:22.719
I'll get back to it later.

645
00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:24.800
So in any case, everybody will have everything.

646
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.800
So please appreciate it.

647
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:29.159
Thank you.

648
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:30.199
My true pleasure.

649
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:30.840
My pleasure.

650
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:32.400
So thank you.

651
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:40.120
Um, so my question actually dovetails on to what D was asking and that's to do

652
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:46.320
with Canva, which is the graphic, you know, the print and they have photographs.

653
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:53.159
So I will upload my own photos, me, my people, my whatever's, you know, that

654
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:58.480
I've got permission for, or, um, you know, I've got from 20 years ago or, you

655
00:34:58.480 --> 00:34:59.720
know, like, yeah.

656
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.920
what happens with like that?

657
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.260
And then of course, you know,

658
00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:07.200
that's where we're putting like our Facebook ad things

659
00:35:07.200 --> 00:35:10.120
and now, you know, then we've got our copy in there

660
00:35:10.120 --> 00:35:14.160
and like, yeah, I was just wondering about,

661
00:35:14.160 --> 00:35:15.320
yeah, that whole.

662
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.040
Yeah, so Canva is another one that I actually

663
00:35:20.040 --> 00:35:22.280
just pulled up Canva to see if I could find their license.

664
00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:23.100
Thank you.

665
00:35:23.100 --> 00:35:23.940
And there it is.

666
00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:25.800
Here's how you can use Canva images.

667
00:35:27.560 --> 00:35:28.640
There we go.

668
00:35:28.640 --> 00:35:29.520
I think I just found it.

669
00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:31.200
Wow, thank you, Lord.

670
00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:32.920
Wow.

671
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:34.140
That's amazing.

672
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:40.000
Wow, what are the, you know what I've learned over time?

673
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.880
You know how we use that phrase, what are the chances?

674
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:46.040
With God, the chances are 100% all the time.

675
00:35:46.040 --> 00:35:48.680
It's like, whew, it's so good.

676
00:35:48.680 --> 00:35:51.600
I'm gonna drop a link for all of you.

677
00:35:53.560 --> 00:35:54.680
So it says over here,

678
00:35:54.680 --> 00:35:57.960
licenses for using Canva content in your designs.

679
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.120
This is the actual license that's on Canva.

680
00:36:02.120 --> 00:36:03.360
Tells you what's allowed.

681
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.360
It says you can use our content in a Canva design

682
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:09.400
for a wide range of personal and commercial uses.

683
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:12.480
You can use our content in marketing and social media

684
00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:15.720
or even sell merchandise with your design in it.

685
00:36:15.720 --> 00:36:18.920
Don't resell, redistribute, or take credit

686
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:23.240
for an unaltered media provided through Canva,

687
00:36:23.240 --> 00:36:25.560
but you can modify it in which case you would own it.

688
00:36:25.560 --> 00:36:28.040
So I am gonna drop this in the chat.

689
00:36:28.040 --> 00:36:30.640
That's amazing that that popped up.

690
00:36:30.640 --> 00:36:31.840
Wow.

691
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.180
And there you go.

692
00:36:34.160 --> 00:36:36.240
You ask and you shall receive.

693
00:36:36.240 --> 00:36:37.080
There it is.

694
00:36:37.080 --> 00:36:39.680
That's the actual licensing terms for Canva.

695
00:36:39.680 --> 00:36:42.480
Yeah, so any of your software applications,

696
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.880
especially the ones that are well-known, you know,

697
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:49.160
strong apps, they're gonna have licenses in terms.

698
00:36:49.160 --> 00:36:50.240
Why?

699
00:36:50.240 --> 00:36:52.440
Because there are people like, you know, me,

700
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.480
and now you that are asking these questions.

701
00:36:56.280 --> 00:36:57.120
They wanna know, well, hold it.

702
00:36:57.120 --> 00:37:00.040
You know, that image that you're gonna see tomorrow,

703
00:37:00.040 --> 00:37:02.000
an image that I love.

704
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.120
Like when I see that image, I'm like, yeah,

705
00:37:06.120 --> 00:37:06.960
I wanna go there.

706
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:08.720
Like, it's just, it's incredible.

707
00:37:08.720 --> 00:37:12.640
It's a digital image that was created by, not Canva,

708
00:37:12.640 --> 00:37:14.560
but another outfit.

709
00:37:14.560 --> 00:37:15.440
And I found it.

710
00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:18.000
And when I saw it, I was like, I want that.

711
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.320
Like, that is mine.

712
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:20.880
I wanna make that my own.

713
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.980
So I actually went into like their licensing terms

714
00:37:23.980 --> 00:37:24.820
and all their stuff.

715
00:37:25.180 --> 00:37:26.620
And I actually obtained a non-exclusive license to it

716
00:37:26.620 --> 00:37:28.300
so I could use it anytime I want.

717
00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:30.460
Cause it's so perfect for what I'm doing.

718
00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:31.900
It's just so perfect.

719
00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:33.740
So I have the right to modify it,

720
00:37:33.740 --> 00:37:35.500
do derivative works, do whatever I want,

721
00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:36.540
but I paid for it.

722
00:37:37.820 --> 00:37:41.340
And so when you use Canva, you're paying for that service.

723
00:37:41.340 --> 00:37:43.580
And in that payment, you're actually getting

724
00:37:43.580 --> 00:37:46.660
a non-exclusive license for certain things.

725
00:37:46.660 --> 00:37:49.300
So follow that link and you'll see exactly

726
00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:51.020
what you're getting rights to, okay?

727
00:37:51.020 --> 00:37:52.300
Okay, thank you so much.

728
00:37:52.300 --> 00:37:53.140
Appreciate that.

729
00:37:53.140 --> 00:37:54.780
You are so welcome, Libby.

730
00:37:55.660 --> 00:37:57.180
Karen, why don't I go to you first

731
00:37:57.180 --> 00:37:58.340
and then I'm gonna jump into some

732
00:37:58.340 --> 00:37:59.860
of these other questions here.

733
00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:02.060
Okay, thank you.

734
00:38:02.060 --> 00:38:04.260
Absolutely, how are you?

735
00:38:04.260 --> 00:38:05.580
I'm well, thank you.

736
00:38:05.580 --> 00:38:06.540
Good.

737
00:38:06.540 --> 00:38:09.740
I have a question because my background

738
00:38:09.740 --> 00:38:13.140
is kind of in entertainment and academia.

739
00:38:13.140 --> 00:38:17.140
And I'm trying to create like a very creative

740
00:38:17.140 --> 00:38:18.740
educational content.

741
00:38:18.740 --> 00:38:21.600
And so I'm trying to figure out and find the balance

742
00:38:21.600 --> 00:38:24.680
between at least what I'm familiar with.

743
00:38:24.680 --> 00:38:26.880
So I know that a lot of people here are coaches

744
00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:29.960
and so they might also be in like a similar situation.

745
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.120
If we're trying to create educational content

746
00:38:33.120 --> 00:38:38.120
of some sort that utilizes facts

747
00:38:38.160 --> 00:38:41.640
from people who maybe have published their works,

748
00:38:41.640 --> 00:38:44.280
that's how we've come across their information.

749
00:38:45.120 --> 00:38:50.120
Are we able to utilize that in some capacity?

750
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.080
If you sort of adopted as your own

751
00:38:53.080 --> 00:38:55.320
and you're not just like a complete copying

752
00:38:55.320 --> 00:38:59.160
and would it be enough to simply sort of quote the person

753
00:38:59.160 --> 00:39:01.720
as you would like an academia and just say,

754
00:39:01.720 --> 00:39:06.120
this idea or these things were from this person

755
00:39:06.120 --> 00:39:08.800
in this book, like what is the balance a person

756
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:11.640
like me could find in a situation like that?

757
00:39:11.640 --> 00:39:12.680
Yeah, it's a good question.

758
00:39:12.680 --> 00:39:15.720
So what you're actually asking is called,

759
00:39:15.720 --> 00:39:18.160
it falls under the fair use doctrine.

760
00:39:18.440 --> 00:39:21.840
So the question is what falls under fair use?

761
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:23.880
That's really what you're asking.

762
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:28.000
And so what I think I'm gonna do for all of you,

763
00:39:30.160 --> 00:39:32.680
Larissa, can you type this or DM me on this

764
00:39:32.680 --> 00:39:36.280
and just say, drop link for fair use.

765
00:39:37.600 --> 00:39:42.600
So fair use, it's a unique area in copyright law

766
00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:45.160
and it's an exception.

767
00:39:45.160 --> 00:39:47.080
It's very different.

768
00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:49.800
It's not like any other area, right?

769
00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.960
What it essentially says is that there's certain material

770
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.720
you wanna utilize for basically teaching purposes

771
00:39:55.720 --> 00:39:58.120
or informational purposes.

772
00:39:58.120 --> 00:40:00.000
You're not making any money on it.

773
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:05.120
there's not enough time to actually go and get a license for it, it's for a short period of time,

774
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.400
you know, the benefit really is for informative purposes, it's not, it's kind of, it's kind of

775
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:15.920
why newspapers can publish things at the, in a second and not worry about getting sued, you know,

776
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:22.480
it falls into this fair use area, and so there's certain things that fall into fair use, the

777
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:27.520
question is you got to determine as an educator what exactly does fall in the fair use, and you

778
00:40:27.520 --> 00:40:33.200
have to remember that fair use, again, it's an exception to the rule, it's not the rule,

779
00:40:33.200 --> 00:40:40.560
so that means when you're looking at fair use issues, you've got to be absolutely sure that

780
00:40:40.560 --> 00:40:46.400
your situation falls into a fair use exception, so what I'm going to do for all of you is I'm

781
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:53.920
going to post the rules for fair use, it actually gives you the checklist, if you check does it fall

782
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.480
into this category, this, and this, if it does, then you can use the material, and you don't have

783
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:04.080
to worry about it, if it doesn't fall into that exact scenario, it does not, because I can literally

784
00:41:04.080 --> 00:41:11.280
spend like a month teaching all of you about fair use, it's a, it's a highly litigious area of

785
00:41:11.280 --> 00:41:17.280
copyright law, but as an educator, what you want to be able to do is, like, let's say as an example,

786
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.720
you want to talk about Beethoven, right, and so you say, all right, well, Beethoven this, Beethoven

787
00:41:22.720 --> 00:41:27.200
that, you're just talking in general with regard to the individuals, right, but let's say instead

788
00:41:27.200 --> 00:41:33.920
you want to copy some of the material in, like, a book from an individual, so let's say that, you know,

789
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.120
Joanie, Joanie has a book, and so you say, well, I want to let people know about the book, and so you can

790
00:41:39.120 --> 00:41:43.760
go out there and say, well, Joanie just created a new book, and it's called, you know, Running Home,

791
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.920
something like that, right, and so you can do that, and then you could also kind of give a general

792
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:52.880
description, you know, it talks about an individual who once was loved by his parents, and then left,

793
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:57.200
and tried to make it on his own, and then blah, blah, and like, you start to talk about all this stuff,

794
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:04.160
and so you're kind of, like, summarizing at a top level what's it about, but the fact of the matter

795
00:42:04.160 --> 00:42:09.040
is that you cannot copy parts of her book and put it into your publication, because when you do that,

796
00:42:09.040 --> 00:42:14.560
that's copyright infringement, so you have to determine how much can I disclose, how much

797
00:42:14.560 --> 00:42:21.200
can I not disclose, like, it's a balancing test, and that's really where fair use falls in.

798
00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:31.440
You have to figure out where in the balancing test you fall, so because you asked a question,

799
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:35.760
what I'm going to do is I'm going to publish something for you in the Facebook group that

800
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:44.400
will talk a little bit about fair use, and just kind of give you exactly what's needed to qualify,

801
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:49.680
because if you don't fulfill those exact requirements, you can get sued, so it's, yeah.

802
00:42:49.680 --> 00:42:54.480
Do you think that, because I felt like, you know, more comfortable doing it if I was actually, like,

803
00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:01.120
employed at a school teaching, you know, in a public school, for example, but now that most

804
00:43:01.120 --> 00:43:06.160
of us are kind of not in that arena, and we're more in, like, the entrepreneurial arena, and

805
00:43:06.160 --> 00:43:12.560
therefore, in a sense, we are probably collecting some money for what we do, does that sort of

806
00:43:12.560 --> 00:43:18.480
automatically disqualify us? Not necessarily. I mean, it really comes down to the factors,

807
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:23.840
regardless. I mean, when you're hired by a school, the nice part is that a lot of them have some

808
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.600
kind of liability associated with it, where, you know, the school will pick up the liability

809
00:43:28.720 --> 00:43:36.400
for some issues, but regardless, it's still an analysis on the fair use issue, so whether or

810
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:41.040
not there's an indemnification for what you do doesn't mean you're going to or are not going to

811
00:43:41.040 --> 00:43:46.800
be sued, right? So the question, the first question is, are you going to be sued, yes or no?

812
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.520
After you get past that question, then you can determine if there's indemnification.

813
00:43:51.520 --> 00:43:56.160
Indemnification, for those who don't know, that means there's a third party that essentially is

814
00:43:56.160 --> 00:44:00.720
going to pick up the liability for what you're doing. So let's say patent infringement is

815
00:44:00.720 --> 00:44:05.200
committed, a third party is going to pick up the bill, or let's say you commit trademark infringement

816
00:44:05.200 --> 00:44:10.160
or copyright infringement, a third party is going to pick up the bill. If you're liable or, you know,

817
00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:13.680
you have to pay damages, a third party is going to pick up the bill. That's what's called

818
00:44:13.680 --> 00:44:19.920
indemnification, all right? Very important term when you're dealing with agreements with other

819
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:24.720
parties, where you're assigning or you're giving somebody a non-exclusive license to use

820
00:44:24.720 --> 00:44:30.160
something that you own, you do not want to have an indemnification agreement in there.

821
00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:35.920
If you do and they do something wrong and they get sued, you now have to pay for their lawyers

822
00:44:36.560 --> 00:44:41.680
and pay the damages for what they did. Do not put indemnification agreements or do not put

823
00:44:41.680 --> 00:44:47.120
indemnification terms in your agreements, I would say ever, if you can get away with it.

824
00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:53.200
It's so... because you essentially become liable for somebody else's actions.

825
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:59.760
Why would you do that? Like, why take that chance? I wouldn't. So...

826
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:07.000
So to answer your question, Karen, which is a very good one for most educators, it's just it's a really important question.

827
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:14.000
It's always going to be a fair use question. It's just like the information that I am teaching that the information that I'm showing you.

828
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:21.000
Does it fall under fair use? If it does, I'm fine. Don't have to worry about it. Don't have to worry about copyright infringement or anything.

829
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:29.000
I'm just kind of giving you some information about a person and some stuff that's publicly available and there's no ownership issues and I can't get sued.

830
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:35.000
But if it's not that situation. Now you can start running into some problems.

831
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.000
And so you really want to make sure you do a good assessment.

832
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:46.000
When it comes to potential copyright infringement and the exception to that, which is fair use.

833
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.000
OK, so I'm going to publish something for you along those lines.

834
00:45:50.000 --> 00:46:00.000
It seems like in particular, because now we're all online, like one of the things then we would have to think about is even if I'm teaching and I or in my challenge or my course, whatever.

835
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:07.000
And I quote a book or I show a clip from a video or something like that. That's for educational purposes.

836
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:15.000
That's under fair use. I can do that. But if I turn around and then sell those recordings and that is in that recording.

837
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:21.000
You got it. Come on. So it's kind of like you got Jennifer, you got it.

838
00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.000
See, this is now you're understanding where lawyers make money like.

839
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:30.000
All right. Because it's not usually as simple as yes, filed copyright application.

840
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.000
Don't file a copyright application. The question is now I have this work.

841
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.000
Now, what's happening with that work? Like is somebody making a copy of it?

842
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.000
Are they going to utilize it when I give a non-exclusive license? How are they using it?

843
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:50.000
Did I indemnify them? Did I not? You know, if it was readily available to the public and I utilized it under fair use,

844
00:46:50.000 --> 00:47:02.000
you know, two years down the road when I actually put that in my Kajabi back end and I and I sell a membership to times where I discuss this issue.

845
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:08.000
Can it be argued that I'm actually gaining a benefit from that, a financial gain from that?

846
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:15.000
So now that that thing that was, quote unquote, fair use that I utilized in my presentation.

847
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:20.000
Now people are paying X amount of money to get into that.

848
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:23.000
So did I now start making money on something that was fair use?

849
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:28.000
Did it change from fair use to now not fair use because I am making a financial gain?

850
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:31.000
Like these are the things you need to think about as you grow.

851
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:36.000
Like when you're in your beginning phases, you're kind of like, you know, I have one video.

852
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:42.000
I'm not too worried about something. But as you grow and the people here are coaching many people.

853
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:47.000
Like there's not a lot of people here who are just solos, you know, and solos are awesome.

854
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:51.000
I'm just saying that a lot of you here are responsible for a lot of other people.

855
00:47:51.000 --> 00:48:00.000
So as that means that your growth is likely going to slope up pretty fast as they realize that what you're providing is not just your service,

856
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:03.000
but you understand the IP issues, you understand these other issues.

857
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:08.000
You're going to stand out. They're going to say, you know, OK, well, yeah.

858
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.000
You know, I wanted to create this this work for a funnel or whatever.

859
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:15.000
But, man, I worked with such and such.

860
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:20.000
And oh, my gosh, like she she actually was talking about trademark issues and copyright issues.

861
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:28.000
And and like she was telling me that legal notices on the bottom of and I can use Canva in this situation, but I can't use that in that situation.

862
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:32.000
Like that changes you from this level to like this level.

863
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.000
That's a higher echelon service that you're providing. Right.

864
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.000
So now you should charge a premium for that because now you're not normal.

865
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.000
You're not you're not the typical. You have moved up.

866
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.000
So now that you've moved up, you know, people should know that.

867
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:49.000
And that's when they start really hunting for you.

868
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:58.000
But the big question is, you know, when you're when you're meeting with these people as a coach, you want to talk about what's your business plan?

869
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.000
Are you going to use this video just once or are you going to turn it into something bigger?

870
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.000
Like what's going to happen here? Go into those kind of questions because nobody else is going to be asking those questions.

871
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:12.000
You will. That makes you unique and it increases your value and it helps them.

872
00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:15.000
I mean, at the end of the day, you're just helping your who.

873
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:22.000
And every time I say that, I think of Dr. Seuss. So which, by the way, is trademarkable because it's a series.

874
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.000
There you go. Good to know.

875
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:30.000
But even in our own challenges. Right. Like if you think about, you know, you start and you go, hey, I'm going to have this pump up song.

876
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.000
Right. Like we've been to live conferences. Right. The virtual ones that Pedro has done. Right.

877
00:49:34.000 --> 00:49:38.000
Like and he's always Pedro is smart, though.

878
00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:42.000
Pedro understands all this stuff. So he gets licenses to all this.

879
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:47.000
He he doesn't just go playing music for no reason. Like he gets the permission.

880
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.000
He knows what he's doing. Right. But for us, it's like you can see.

881
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.000
I'll just run a challenge. I'll play this really fun song. Do everybody jazzed up the stop?

882
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:59.000
Well, you better not be recording that. Right. You can play it, but don't start your recording until.

883
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.640
I'm telling you, I have a healing ministry, right?

884
00:50:02.640 --> 00:50:04.760
I mean, it's God's healing ministry, right?

885
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:07.240
But when I would start the sessions,

886
00:50:07.240 --> 00:50:08.400
which I do on Google Zoom,

887
00:50:08.400 --> 00:50:10.680
and people would be healed of, you name it,

888
00:50:10.680 --> 00:50:14.180
like literally anything, like it was all God, right?

889
00:50:15.360 --> 00:50:18.000
I would play background music, okay?

890
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:21.360
I would play, like I said, a song from like Bethel

891
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.040
or a song from whatever other group, right?

892
00:50:24.040 --> 00:50:25.800
I'd play it in the background.

893
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:29.120
William Augusto, oh my gosh, adore his music.

894
00:50:29.120 --> 00:50:31.720
Like talk about soaking music, it will wreck you.

895
00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:33.560
Just play William Augusto.

896
00:50:33.560 --> 00:50:34.960
Man, incredible.

897
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:37.480
So I play it as soaking music in the background.

898
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.520
People come in, like the presence, and this is online.

899
00:50:40.520 --> 00:50:42.400
Come in, presence of the Lord, so powerful.

900
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.860
People getting healed, all sorts of stuff happening.

901
00:50:44.860 --> 00:50:48.560
I go to upload that into YouTube

902
00:50:48.560 --> 00:50:51.560
so as to inspire others to understand of the power of God

903
00:50:51.560 --> 00:50:53.020
and how people are being healed today.

904
00:50:53.020 --> 00:50:55.240
It's not just something that was in the Bible.

905
00:50:55.240 --> 00:50:57.340
Like it's now, right?

906
00:50:58.300 --> 00:51:00.900
I get a copyright infringement notice

907
00:51:00.900 --> 00:51:03.780
the second I did that, literally, from YouTube,

908
00:51:03.780 --> 00:51:07.040
because YouTube saw that in the background

909
00:51:07.040 --> 00:51:08.540
that was William Augusto's music.

910
00:51:08.540 --> 00:51:09.380
So what did I do?

911
00:51:09.380 --> 00:51:12.300
I shot him an email and said, hey, bro, love your music.

912
00:51:12.300 --> 00:51:14.640
Just made a contribution to you on PayPal,

913
00:51:14.640 --> 00:51:17.680
to you and your wife, just want to honor you.

914
00:51:17.680 --> 00:51:21.100
By the way, I'm doing this healing stuff here.

915
00:51:21.100 --> 00:51:23.340
And is it okay if I use your music?

916
00:51:23.340 --> 00:51:24.940
He never said yes or no.

917
00:51:24.940 --> 00:51:27.040
He just kind of went about his business

918
00:51:27.740 --> 00:51:29.320
because he has like millions of followers.

919
00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:31.740
And so I just continued using it.

920
00:51:31.740 --> 00:51:34.080
Now, could he one day come out and say,

921
00:51:34.080 --> 00:51:35.720
hey, that's copyright infringement.

922
00:51:35.720 --> 00:51:36.560
I want you to stop.

923
00:51:36.560 --> 00:51:37.840
Absolutely.

924
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:39.600
And do I have any financial gain?

925
00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:40.440
Nope.

926
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.240
So what would the damages be?

927
00:51:43.240 --> 00:51:46.280
Now, I'm not telling you to commit copyright infringement.

928
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:47.760
That's not what I'm saying.

929
00:51:47.760 --> 00:51:50.520
What I'm saying is there are situations

930
00:51:50.520 --> 00:51:51.800
where you're doing certain things

931
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:53.740
that don't comply with the law.

932
00:51:53.740 --> 00:51:55.400
You shouldn't do those things,

933
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.120
but you need to do an assessment of what happens

934
00:51:58.120 --> 00:51:58.960
when you do those things.

935
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:00.820
It's just beneficial to know.

936
00:52:00.820 --> 00:52:01.920
And in that situation,

937
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:05.200
I have zero doubt that if William Augusto

938
00:52:05.200 --> 00:52:07.800
looked at some of those videos himself,

939
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.560
he would in a second give me permission.

940
00:52:10.560 --> 00:52:12.320
Because that's why he creates the soaking music

941
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:14.160
in the first place, right?

942
00:52:14.160 --> 00:52:16.160
And I'm already contributing to him.

943
00:52:16.160 --> 00:52:18.760
So in that case, I made an assessment and I said,

944
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.400
I'm going to leave those videos up.

945
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.560
But as I go forward, I don't use background music

946
00:52:23.560 --> 00:52:26.960
because I know this, unless I have a license to it.

947
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:28.240
Okay?

948
00:52:28.240 --> 00:52:31.640
And with that, I want to answer one or two questions here

949
00:52:31.640 --> 00:52:33.720
before I go to you, Larissa.

950
00:52:33.720 --> 00:52:35.520
Ones that I received by email.

951
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:39.760
See if I can grab that up.

952
00:52:43.720 --> 00:52:45.440
I have a question and you can look and see,

953
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.840
because Patricia put a question in just right along that.

954
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.000
Yeah, I'm already ready.

955
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:51.840
I want to jump into this.

956
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.080
I haven't had a chance to answer these out loud.

957
00:52:55.080 --> 00:53:00.080
So one of them, let me just go into Judy.

958
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:09.800
Okay, so I just want to go into Judy's question here

959
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:13.440
because I think other people might run into this.

960
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.160
So it says, someone was going to buy a painting.

961
00:53:16.160 --> 00:53:17.480
Then they moved.

962
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:19.640
So asked me to delay the sale and shipping.

963
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:25.480
Then they sent a photo showing they had taken my painting

964
00:53:26.560 --> 00:53:30.400
and used it as the design for their tattoo

965
00:53:31.720 --> 00:53:34.720
and will no longer be needing the painting.

966
00:53:34.720 --> 00:53:35.560
Okay.

967
00:53:37.680 --> 00:53:40.480
So I want to go through that situation

968
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:44.800
because a copyrightable work, when you own a copyright,

969
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:46.400
you own all derivative works.

970
00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:48.960
You own all forms of it, all copying of it.

971
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:50.160
I don't care if it's a tattoo

972
00:53:50.160 --> 00:53:51.520
or they put it on toilet paper,

973
00:53:51.520 --> 00:53:55.040
or if they like, you know, make an image of it in the sky,

974
00:53:55.040 --> 00:53:58.240
whatever it is, you own that work.

975
00:53:58.240 --> 00:54:03.240
So legally making a tattoo that's utilizing the image

976
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.960
from a painting is a violation of copyright law.

977
00:54:08.040 --> 00:54:10.760
So she could literally, which actually I would pay

978
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:12.480
to be in that case in court.

979
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:14.160
That would be hilarious.

980
00:54:14.160 --> 00:54:17.400
Because I'd like to know if you win that case,

981
00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.680
I'd like to know what happens.

982
00:54:19.680 --> 00:54:22.240
Like financially, I can see compensation,

983
00:54:22.240 --> 00:54:23.400
but can you actually say,

984
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:25.400
I want that tattoo removed from your body

985
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:27.280
because that's my copyrightable work?

986
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.680
I'd really like to see that case,

987
00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:31.680
to see how far the judge would go.

988
00:54:31.680 --> 00:54:35.040
Would the judge actually make them have a procedure

989
00:54:35.040 --> 00:54:36.880
to remove the tattoo from their body

990
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:39.520
because it actually is a copyrightable work?

991
00:54:39.520 --> 00:54:42.600
That would be hilarious.

992
00:54:42.600 --> 00:54:45.680
So in any case, that would be a violation

993
00:54:45.680 --> 00:54:46.880
of a copyrightable work.

994
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:48.240
Larissa, go ahead.

995
00:54:48.240 --> 00:54:49.080
I just wanted to jump into that one

996
00:54:49.080 --> 00:54:51.720
because I know people who are dealing with,

997
00:54:51.720 --> 00:54:53.960
I have this and somebody's making a copy,

998
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.800
but it's not in the same format.

999
00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:58.160
Like I create a painting,

1000
00:54:58.160 --> 00:55:00.160
then somebody puts it on their website.

1001
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:05.560
Or I do, I take a picture and somebody turns it into like a movie, you know,

1002
00:55:05.560 --> 00:55:06.680
they're showing it in a movie.

1003
00:55:06.680 --> 00:55:09.160
Like those are, you don't have the right to do that.

1004
00:55:09.780 --> 00:55:15.760
You can't, I mean, even if I'll give you, I'll give you a really complicated

1005
00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:19.280
example, and then I'll go to you, Larissa, really complicated situation.

1006
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:24.640
If I had a painting and I had it right behind me and you're watching my video,

1007
00:55:24.860 --> 00:55:30.700
And then you take a picture of that and you cut me out and you take that painting

1008
00:55:30.700 --> 00:55:35.780
and now you go forward and you sell that painting, that's a violation of my

1009
00:55:35.780 --> 00:55:43.000
copyright of a work because you saw my painting and you took it from a video

1010
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.060
rendition of my painting there.

1011
00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:49.680
And then from that, you created a work and sold it.

1012
00:55:50.080 --> 00:55:51.480
That's a violation of my copyright.

1013
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:53.200
So then you're probably asking, well, hold it.

1014
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.800
What about all the paintings that I've bought and I'm doing a

1015
00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:58.800
video and people can see them.

1016
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:00.360
Well, you have a right.

1017
00:56:00.640 --> 00:56:01.300
You have a right.

1018
00:56:01.300 --> 00:56:05.080
When you purchase something to that work, there's certain things you can do.

1019
00:56:05.080 --> 00:56:07.520
And if it just happens to be in the background, well, so be it.

1020
00:56:08.240 --> 00:56:11.920
That's different from if the entire show is about that painting.

1021
00:56:12.720 --> 00:56:14.040
Those are two different things.

1022
00:56:14.040 --> 00:56:17.840
There there's a balance test that you have to consider, right?

1023
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.000
That, that, those are areas you need to talk to a lawyer.

1024
00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:25.400
You can't kind of like if your entire show is going to be showing a painting

1025
00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:29.560
that you purchased and that's your entire show and you're charging $10,000

1026
00:56:29.560 --> 00:56:32.960
for annual membership, you know, to the show, and you're just going to talk

1027
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.040
about every single aspect of the painting.

1028
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:37.920
The question is, is that okay?

1029
00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:40.080
Well, I would argue, yeah, I bought the painting.

1030
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:41.880
It's my show.

1031
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:42.920
I can show it.

1032
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:44.200
I can do whatever I want with the painting.

1033
00:56:44.200 --> 00:56:44.720
I bought it.

1034
00:56:45.320 --> 00:56:48.840
I think that's a fair argument, but I think at the same time, the original

1035
00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:52.680
owner is probably going to get a little ticked off that you're, you know,

1036
00:56:52.680 --> 00:56:54.320
you're utilizing in a certain way.

1037
00:56:54.320 --> 00:56:55.400
I don't think they could win.

1038
00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:00.120
Um, regardless, but it's, it's just, that's the area of the law that

1039
00:57:00.120 --> 00:57:04.760
become, you have to ask is a new work being created, I would argue

1040
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:06.320
that's not a new work being created.

1041
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:10.080
The subject matter of my work is the work that I purchased.

1042
00:57:10.680 --> 00:57:13.480
So I wouldn't think that's an issue, but anyways, Larissa, go ahead.

1043
00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:15.240
You've addressed it a lot.

1044
00:57:15.640 --> 00:57:20.160
Um, the background music question is kind of hot in the chat.

1045
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:25.280
Um, I think most of us know this, but you can't use like live stream,

1046
00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:26.760
copyrighted music to Facebook.

1047
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:27.840
They will shut you down.

1048
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:28.960
That's correct.

1049
00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:29.440
Right.

1050
00:57:30.040 --> 00:57:32.240
And YouTube, they'll shut you down.

1051
00:57:32.520 --> 00:57:35.520
TikTok whole other world, right?

1052
00:57:35.560 --> 00:57:38.160
You're not supposed to do it, but TikTok doesn't care.

1053
00:57:38.200 --> 00:57:42.640
You, I can, I can take, you know, myself talking and saying, you know,

1054
00:57:42.640 --> 00:57:46.680
myself talking and somebody will throw it on their video or you can take

1055
00:57:46.680 --> 00:57:51.160
literally snippets of music and put it on your videos, they don't care.

1056
00:57:52.200 --> 00:57:55.200
I don't, I don't actually understand how that's working.

1057
00:57:56.360 --> 00:58:00.760
Um, but at any case, I just had a flicker over here.

1058
00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:02.040
Can all you guys see me still?

1059
00:58:02.640 --> 00:58:03.320
Yeah, you're fine.

1060
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:04.400
I don't know if you just saw that.

1061
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:05.840
We just had a flicker in the power.

1062
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:06.520
That was interesting.

1063
00:58:07.240 --> 00:58:07.740
Okay.

1064
00:58:07.740 --> 00:58:12.140
So how could one use music in their background and inquire the legal rights to use it?

1065
00:58:13.580 --> 00:58:14.080
Okay.

1066
00:58:14.100 --> 00:58:16.860
So let me do this for you.

1067
00:58:18.180 --> 00:58:23.980
I think one of the things I asked you to DM me was, um, to, to give all of you that

1068
00:58:23.980 --> 00:58:24.620
site, right?

1069
00:58:26.500 --> 00:58:28.020
I think that was one of the things that I asked.

1070
00:58:28.060 --> 00:58:28.560
Yeah.

1071
00:58:28.620 --> 00:58:29.180
You didn't tell me.

1072
00:58:29.180 --> 00:58:29.680
Yes.

1073
00:58:29.900 --> 00:58:30.400
Yeah.

1074
00:58:30.420 --> 00:58:34.540
So I'm going to actually share it now so everybody can see it.

1075
00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:45.780
Uh, edit post actually just posted it in something that you're going to find about

1076
00:58:45.820 --> 00:58:48.620
tomorrow as he posted it there.

1077
00:58:49.220 --> 00:58:54.740
Um, they, they get this stuff, like they get a lot of stuff.

1078
00:58:54.740 --> 00:58:57.260
So let me, um, do this.

1079
00:58:57.340 --> 00:58:58.060
Can I grab it?

1080
00:58:58.900 --> 00:59:00.300
Or maybe I can just press it.

1081
00:59:00.380 --> 00:59:01.220
Yeah. Let me just press it.

1082
00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:02.460
I'm going to post it for you now.

1083
00:59:03.220 --> 00:59:04.700
Okay. This is the site, right?

1084
00:59:04.700 --> 00:59:07.180
Click go here.

1085
00:59:08.740 --> 00:59:11.780
Copy go into here, paste.

1086
00:59:11.820 --> 00:59:18.820
If you go into this site right there, you can get music that you can, you can pay a

1087
00:59:18.820 --> 00:59:22.020
certain amount for a certain amount of time.

1088
00:59:22.900 --> 00:59:25.300
And it's extremely reasonable guys.

1089
00:59:25.300 --> 00:59:29.500
I'm saying like, like, I'm not even exaggerating really reasonable.

1090
00:59:30.460 --> 00:59:34.740
And you can go in there and you can, you can download any of the music that falls

1091
00:59:35.300 --> 00:59:39.500
underneath that specific subscription and the sounds and anything and use it in any

1092
00:59:39.500 --> 00:59:40.100
of your works.

1093
00:59:41.460 --> 00:59:42.620
Just check out the site.

1094
00:59:42.660 --> 00:59:43.780
It's, it's really good.

1095
00:59:44.460 --> 00:59:49.940
A lot of, uh, high end artists, you to use it when they create really good looking like

1096
00:59:49.940 --> 00:59:56.380
YouTube videos or, or, um, or, um, TikTok videos or other things like that.

1097
00:59:56.500 --> 00:59:58.620
This is one of the, one of the places they'll go.

1098
00:59:58.980 --> 00:59:59.260
All right.

1099
00:59:59.740 --> 01:00:00.020
I would.

1100
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.560
One more question, and then I'm going to jump off because yesterday we went like three hours.

1101
01:00:04.560 --> 01:00:09.360
So I want to stop. John, you're up, my friend. Good.

1102
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:14.960
So a follow-up question to this, but when you get those rights,

1103
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:19.920
how does YouTube or Facebook know that you have those rights?

1104
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.280
You know, because they'll hear it and they'll say, oh, that's copyrighted.

1105
01:00:23.280 --> 01:00:25.840
But I'm like, and how do I get through that?

1106
01:00:25.840 --> 01:00:30.960
All right. So are you asking from the perspective of the person who owns the copyright?

1107
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.160
Are you asking from the perspective of the one who's violating the copyright?

1108
01:00:34.160 --> 01:00:38.320
No. So I'm asking, I go to this site, I buy permissions to have this type of music.

1109
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.560
I put it, I stream it on my Facebook.

1110
01:00:40.560 --> 01:00:44.000
Yeah, I upload to YouTube and they go, can't put that on there.

1111
01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:45.120
Right, right.

1112
01:00:45.120 --> 01:00:46.640
Wait a minute. I have it.

1113
01:00:46.640 --> 01:00:49.280
Yeah. So you can actually go through an appeal process,

1114
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:51.360
in which case they ask you for your license,

1115
01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:53.920
and then you can actually give them your license information.

1116
01:00:53.920 --> 01:00:55.600
Okay. I've had that happen before.

1117
01:00:55.680 --> 01:01:01.760
Okay. And then the other thing that caused me just questions related to Facebook,

1118
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:05.280
you said, we don't read what's resigned and we're like, sign everything away.

1119
01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:09.760
And so what's the levels you do a live on there?

1120
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:10.960
They obviously own that.

1121
01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:12.400
You're on there, you're streaming.

1122
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.040
You're going to be clear.

1123
01:01:15.040 --> 01:01:17.120
Just to be clear with that language they own,

1124
01:01:17.120 --> 01:01:19.360
what I'm saying is they get a non-exclusive license.

1125
01:01:20.160 --> 01:01:22.800
They don't, like, they can't stop you from using it.

1126
01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:23.040
Yeah.

1127
01:01:23.040 --> 01:01:26.240
But they have a non-exclusive license to use it any way they want,

1128
01:01:26.240 --> 01:01:28.160
make derivatives, do anything like that.

1129
01:01:28.160 --> 01:01:30.640
But I just want to be careful on using that word own,

1130
01:01:30.640 --> 01:01:32.720
because they don't technically own it.

1131
01:01:32.720 --> 01:01:35.280
They have a non-exclusive license to use it.

1132
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:36.400
You still own it.

1133
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:37.040
Go ahead.

1134
01:01:37.040 --> 01:01:40.880
So what happens now if I generate, if I start in Zoom,

1135
01:01:41.520 --> 01:01:46.000
and then I stream that into Facebook, do they still have a non-exclusive?

1136
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:47.520
That's why I don't do it, brother.

1137
01:01:47.520 --> 01:01:50.720
I mean, honestly, it would be so much easier for me.

1138
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:55.360
So much easier for me to just click that button on the bottom of my screen

1139
01:01:55.360 --> 01:01:56.560
and say share to Facebook.

1140
01:01:56.560 --> 01:01:58.480
I wouldn't have to do video editing.

1141
01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:00.160
I wouldn't have to do clipping.

1142
01:02:00.160 --> 01:02:02.000
I wouldn't have to polish it.

1143
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:02.720
Nothing.

1144
01:02:02.720 --> 01:02:04.960
I can just run it there and I'd be done.

1145
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:07.120
I can just go back, you know, after I'm done with this,

1146
01:02:07.120 --> 01:02:09.360
like I'm going to be doing work for a law firm now.

1147
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.040
I'm going to get off in, like, you know, literally two minutes and start work for them.

1148
01:02:13.040 --> 01:02:14.880
And so I'd be done.

1149
01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:18.720
But the fact of the matter is I know that they can then take my work

1150
01:02:18.720 --> 01:02:20.080
and do literally anything I want.

1151
01:02:20.160 --> 01:02:23.840
Matter of fact, they could create a course and then sell it to lawyers.

1152
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:26.400
They can advertise it to lawyers and lawyers could say,

1153
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.480
oh, my gosh, I'm teaching on IP.

1154
01:02:29.120 --> 01:02:30.240
I want that.

1155
01:02:30.240 --> 01:02:33.120
Then I can start doing, you know, challenges on stuff like that.

1156
01:02:33.120 --> 01:02:34.720
And then I can't stop them.

1157
01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:36.400
There's nothing I could do.

1158
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:37.440
That's why I do this.

1159
01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.280
But I mean, the main reason for me is the information that I'm teaching you is

1160
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:47.920
it's extremely important for purposes of being successful,

1161
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.480
you know, in businesses, but also to make sure you don't get sued.

1162
01:02:51.120 --> 01:02:54.240
Like part of the reason why I'm doing this is because I don't want you to need a lawyer.

1163
01:02:55.120 --> 01:02:59.920
Like I've seen situations where like mom and pop shops start up,

1164
01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:01.760
use their retirement money, build something,

1165
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:04.880
and then all of a sudden lose it all, literally all of it.

1166
01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:09.200
And all they had to do beforehand was like a trademark search or a patent search

1167
01:03:09.200 --> 01:03:11.120
or follow a copyright application.

1168
01:03:11.120 --> 01:03:13.760
It was so simple and they just didn't know.

1169
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:18.560
So I want to make sure that the content that I'm delivering is delivered the right way,

1170
01:03:19.520 --> 01:03:21.040
not provided to you.

1171
01:03:21.040 --> 01:03:24.720
So that's either A, abused or B, improperly used.

1172
01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:28.880
Because if people improperly using it, then that's a mess, too.

1173
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:33.360
You know, then you've got people starting a corporation believing they need to spend

1174
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:36.320
$100,000 per year on intellectual property when they don't.

1175
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:39.440
It's like, could you do all these things?

1176
01:03:39.440 --> 01:03:40.400
Yeah, by all means.

1177
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:41.920
But don't file five patents.

1178
01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.280
What's your core technology?

1179
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:47.600
File it on that and then determine whether or not you need to do a continuation or continuation

1180
01:03:47.600 --> 01:03:48.480
of part later.

1181
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:50.720
We'll talk about that tomorrow.

1182
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:55.520
But it's really important for this to be packaged the right way.

1183
01:03:55.520 --> 01:03:59.760
For that reason, I don't want it just sitting in somebody else's network

1184
01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:03.040
because then they can take clips and then use it the wrong way.

1185
01:04:03.040 --> 01:04:08.240
And people can go crash because they're wasting money on lawyers

1186
01:04:08.240 --> 01:04:10.960
or they just don't understand the concepts properly.

1187
01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.920
That's why I'm spending so much time with you to make sure you get it.

1188
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:14.800
Yeah.

1189
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:16.160
It's that cost avoidance.

1190
01:04:16.160 --> 01:04:18.480
I have a phrase of lawyers at all costs.

1191
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:19.200
Yes.

1192
01:04:19.200 --> 01:04:22.800
I got sucked into a lawsuit.

1193
01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:29.120
Somebody sued me for stealing stuff that wasn't trademarked or cost me $30,000

1194
01:04:29.120 --> 01:04:31.520
to defend against something that was frivolous.

1195
01:04:31.520 --> 01:04:31.920
Jeez.

1196
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:33.520
And that's cheap, John.

1197
01:04:33.520 --> 01:04:35.040
John, that's cheap.

1198
01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:37.360
I'm in a trademark lawsuit right now.

1199
01:04:37.360 --> 01:04:39.280
They're going to spend over half a million dollars.

1200
01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:39.780
Easy.

1201
01:04:40.660 --> 01:04:41.860
I mean, it's ridiculous.

1202
01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:44.420
That money should not be getting spent on this stuff.

1203
01:04:44.420 --> 01:04:50.580
Use it on resources you need for your company, your employees, upgrading your software,

1204
01:04:50.580 --> 01:04:53.060
your back end, going on vacation.

1205
01:04:53.060 --> 01:04:54.100
Don't use it on lawyers.

1206
01:04:55.860 --> 01:04:57.620
Do what we talked about earlier.

1207
01:04:57.620 --> 01:05:00.020
Get your one agreement done properly.

1208
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:03.520
so that you can then modify that one agreement

1209
01:05:03.520 --> 01:05:05.520
for each party you're working with.

1210
01:05:05.520 --> 01:05:07.120
And then if you're concerned about something,

1211
01:05:07.120 --> 01:05:08.560
then you visit the lawyer and you're like,

1212
01:05:08.560 --> 01:05:12.480
you know, I now have a partner in my company.

1213
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:14.040
So I'm a little concerned with regard

1214
01:05:14.040 --> 01:05:15.240
to this corporate formation thing.

1215
01:05:15.240 --> 01:05:17.280
Do I need to modify something?

1216
01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:20.920
Now their expertise are gonna be incredible.

1217
01:05:20.920 --> 01:05:22.640
You know, like everybody hates a lawyer

1218
01:05:22.640 --> 01:05:24.360
except their own lawyer, right?

1219
01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:26.800
And so it's like, it's like, you know,

1220
01:05:26.800 --> 01:05:28.840
cause when you need them, you need them.

1221
01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.320
Like you're just going, hold it, I might lose everything.

1222
01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:32.560
I need my lawyer.

1223
01:05:32.560 --> 01:05:36.520
So by all means, what I'm trying to do is make it

1224
01:05:36.520 --> 01:05:39.600
so that you know enough to identify the issues.

1225
01:05:39.600 --> 01:05:41.680
You can get rid of some issues

1226
01:05:41.680 --> 01:05:43.720
that are not necessary to look at

1227
01:05:43.720 --> 01:05:46.600
and then focus on what you do need to focus on.

1228
01:05:46.600 --> 01:05:49.120
And for those issues, get those to your lawyer.

1229
01:05:49.120 --> 01:05:50.840
Those are the ones that are important.

1230
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:52.120
Get those hashed out.

1231
01:05:52.120 --> 01:05:53.280
And now that they're hashed out,

1232
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.360
you can repeat them over and over and over

1233
01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:58.480
cause you did it right once.

1234
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:00.600
That is a smart business plan.

1235
01:06:01.720 --> 01:06:03.240
You know, you don't wanna just throw money away

1236
01:06:03.240 --> 01:06:07.440
when it comes to, you know, cars, insurance, you know,

1237
01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:09.800
lawyers, like you don't wanna just throw the money away.

1238
01:06:09.800 --> 01:06:11.120
Do it right.

1239
01:06:11.120 --> 01:06:14.320
If you got insurance issues or money issues, talk to Rami.

1240
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.120
That guy is insane.

1241
01:06:16.120 --> 01:06:19.200
I mean, like I had a phone call with him just to catch up.

1242
01:06:19.200 --> 01:06:20.480
You know, we were talking about his sister

1243
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:22.520
and other stuff like that, who was in law.

1244
01:06:22.520 --> 01:06:26.000
What this guy knows is it's intimidating.

1245
01:06:26.040 --> 01:06:29.600
Like he knows a lot in that area.

1246
01:06:29.600 --> 01:06:32.360
And so talk to that guy, incredible resource.

1247
01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.440
You know, you're talking about challenges, talk to Pedro.

1248
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:37.200
That guy is fierce.

1249
01:06:37.200 --> 01:06:39.400
You know, when you have issues with IP,

1250
01:06:39.400 --> 01:06:43.080
you've got access to the assistance, all right?

1251
01:06:43.080 --> 01:06:43.920
All right, and with that,

1252
01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:45.920
I'm gonna let all of you go, my friends.

1253
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.040
Bless you all.

1254
01:06:48.040 --> 01:06:49.360
You should be seeing those.

1255
01:06:49.360 --> 01:06:51.360
Those videos are starting to upload.

1256
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:52.840
Everything should be,

1257
01:06:52.840 --> 01:06:55.520
you should be able to start seeing the repeats, okay?

1258
01:06:56.040 --> 01:06:57.560
All right, have a good night.

1259
01:06:57.560 --> 01:06:58.400
Take care.