WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.000 Welcome to empower you. I'm Amy Stevens. You may have heard Pastor Steve's podcast where we had a conversation about public policy engagement or civic engagement. 2 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:21.000 You know, COVID changed a lot of things in our community, and this is where the road really exploded in membership and where people began to get engaged. 3 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:28.000 And so Pastor Steve came to me and said, Hey, would you consider volunteering to help lead this effort? 4 00:00:28.000 --> 00:00:35.000 We have all kinds of views in our church, diverse views. And really, how do we make sense of that? How do we move forward? 5 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:39.000 People are exhausted. A lot of people angry. Some just trying to raise their kids. 6 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:46.000 How do we stay engaged? And I'm convinced it's through big, important little things, things that you and I can do every day. 7 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:52.000 And that's what you're going to hear on these podcasts. You're going to hear from people in the community, school board members. 8 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:56.000 You're going to hear from people that work in the life pro-life space. 9 00:00:56.000 --> 00:01:06.000 You're going to hear from legislators, people that are going to talk to us about what their lives are really like, what their jobs are really like, and actually how we can make a difference and or support them. 10 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:13.000 And so that is the hope for Pastor Steve. That's the hope that I have. And we look forward to engaging with you. 11 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:22.000 Today, I have a very special guest. All my guests are special, but I've known you quite a while and I'm so happy to have you here. 12 00:01:22.000 --> 00:01:28.000 I want to tell you a little bit about Eli Bremer. Eli's an Olympian. He's a graduate of the U.S. Air Force Academy. 13 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:33.000 He's a lifelong Coloradan and you were former chairman. 14 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:38.000 We can talk about that later of the El Paso County Republican Party. 15 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:46.000 And you ran for U.S. Senate. And in 2022, you were endorsed by a majority of the county commissioners statewide. 16 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:53.000 But as an athlete, you represented the U.S. in pentathlon, which I don't even think people mostly know. 17 00:01:53.000 --> 00:02:01.000 So you're going to have to inform all of us on that. But you did for over a decade and you qualified for an unprecedented 12 World Cup championships. 18 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:07.000 You were ranked number two in the world. You represented the U.S. in the 08 Beijing Olympics, which I was looking at. 19 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:15.000 And you've also served as a TV broadcaster for four Olympic Games. But your family also has a lineage of service. 20 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:19.000 I know your dad. He was our county commissioner for a number of years. 21 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:27.000 Duncan, your uncle, Paul Bremer, was appointed by former President Bush as presidential envoy to Iran. 22 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:32.000 So we've got a lineage of engagement, policy, everything here. 23 00:02:32.000 --> 00:02:40.000 But since 2016, and I think that's an interesting caveat you're here, you've been a driving force for reform of the Olympics. 24 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:46.000 I know particularly around women's gymnastics, calling on the Olympics. 25 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:50.000 And that is a very interesting story there. 26 00:02:51.000 --> 00:03:02.000 But you were also the first Republican to predict that Leah Thomas would win the NCAA championships and that the protection of women's sports would become a national issue, which is what we're discussing today. 27 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.000 So welcome. 28 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:05.000 Well, thanks, Amy. 29 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.000 Yeah, so happy you're here. 30 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.000 I got to say one more on the family side. You forgot my wife. 31 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.000 That's right. Cammy, who we're going to have to have on here, too. 32 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:21.000 Cammy is our county commissioner in District 5, which you can explain. 33 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:22.000 Center part of Colorado Springs. 34 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.000 Center part of Colorado Springs. 35 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.000 And she's on her second term. 36 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.000 Yep, she's the chairman of the board right now. 37 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:28.000 Oh, my goodness. 38 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:29.000 Yeah, you got to remember that. 39 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:30.000 We got to remember this. 40 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:36.000 And then your son, the story about your son, if you're pro-life, and the story about Struthers' birth. 41 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.000 And what did he weigh, one pound? 42 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:39.000 One and a half pounds. 43 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:40.000 Oh, my gosh. 44 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:44.000 27 weeks and 105 days in the hospital. 45 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:50.000 Yeah, it's just an amazing perseverance, this guy, perseverance. 46 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.000 And he is just grown right now. 47 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.000 So how old is he now? 48 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:56.000 He's eight years old. 49 00:03:56.000 --> 00:04:00.000 And you'd never know that there were issues if you didn't know his backstory. 50 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:05.000 So he's swimming, he's playing tennis, he's playing golf, he's speaking Chinese. 51 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.000 He's in a Chinese subversion program. 52 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:09.000 I love it. 53 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:16.000 From the lowest, most susceptible human being to a very boisterous normal eight-year-old. 54 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:17.000 You know what? 55 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:20.000 We have another future diplomat on our hands in our future. 56 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:21.000 Thank God. 57 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:22.000 Thank God. 58 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:23.000 I'm so happy for that. 59 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:32.000 I want to talk about, you know, you and I caught up recently, and I wanted to talk about the Title IX women's sports issue. 60 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:38.000 Because we're seeing it not just from the standpoint of college, NCAA. 61 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:43.000 Now we're seeing it in high school, and I suspect even further in sports. 62 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:49.000 And we have a lot of families, daughters in sports, and they're worried about this. 63 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.000 They're worried about the locker room situation. 64 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.000 They're worried about bathroom situation. 65 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:55.000 They're worried about their protection. 66 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:56.000 They should be. 67 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:57.000 And they should be. 68 00:04:57.000 --> 00:04:58.000 They should be. 69 00:04:58.000 --> 00:04:59.000 And they should be. 70 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:00.000 And so I want to talk about how you got involved. 71 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:04.640 involved in this your prediction on the leah thomas situation that now 72 00:05:04.640 --> 00:05:06.360 is known worldwide 73 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.440 don't back was just a little bit title nine's been around for fifty years now 74 00:05:09.440 --> 00:05:10.600 and 75 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.840 uh... it used to be controversial i guess it's becoming controversial again 76 00:05:14.840 --> 00:05:16.700 uh... it's it's weird to see the 77 00:05:16.700 --> 00:05:20.360 the political sand shift because the democrats would have been the original 78 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:24.400 you know suppose a proponents of it and now republicans are the party that's 79 00:05:24.400 --> 00:05:26.280 saying hey we need to defend us so 80 00:05:26.280 --> 00:05:31.280 it is the federal law that protects uh... women's uh... options in 81 00:05:31.280 --> 00:05:34.600 uh... sports and in educational programs 82 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:38.360 so that's the jurisdiction of that law and we're seeing major issues there 83 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:41.920 which i think we're gonna talk about today we're also seeing seen this play 84 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.000 out outside a federal jurisdiction 85 00:05:44.000 --> 00:05:46.880 it's happening at the state level it's happening at the local level it's 86 00:05:46.880 --> 00:05:48.120 happening at the uh... 87 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:51.480 it's happening virtually everywhere and so i've never seen 88 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.440 i've never seen a political issue 89 00:05:53.440 --> 00:05:57.760 that is so pervasive and touching so many levels of government as what we're 90 00:05:57.760 --> 00:06:00.640 seeing right now yes go into that a bit for me 91 00:06:00.640 --> 00:06:04.520 so i think you know the federal level you you have the right for women to have 92 00:06:04.520 --> 00:06:05.640 equality 93 00:06:05.640 --> 00:06:09.440 of opportunity with men and and again this is the controversial 94 00:06:09.440 --> 00:06:13.320 uh... because you had the the male programs were predominantly driving the 95 00:06:13.320 --> 00:06:17.240 revenues at the college level and this is largely been views a college right 96 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:18.960 uh... college program 97 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:22.960 uh... and so for a long time there was an argument that uh... that the men's 98 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:25.880 programs were making the money the women's programs were 99 00:06:25.880 --> 00:06:29.800 in fact you know taking the money out of the the men's programs it was a 100 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:31.880 perversion of the private marketplace right 101 00:06:31.880 --> 00:06:36.320 and i'm a borderline libertarian economics person uh... you know it was my 102 00:06:36.320 --> 00:06:39.720 undergraduate degree at the air force academy was economics so i'm an econ 103 00:06:39.720 --> 00:06:40.440 junkie 104 00:06:40.440 --> 00:06:43.240 and the more i started learning about this the more i realized that actually 105 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.200 wasn't the right way to view it because college sports 106 00:06:46.200 --> 00:06:50.640 are are effectively a monopoly they're a government granted and protected 107 00:06:50.640 --> 00:06:51.520 monopoly 108 00:06:51.520 --> 00:06:54.560 monopolies don't answer to normal market forces 109 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:56.560 and so uh... 110 00:06:56.560 --> 00:06:59.920 because they've been granted the special governmental status and sort of allowed 111 00:06:59.920 --> 00:07:04.880 to exist in a non-free market way i think it's perfectly appropriate to say 112 00:07:04.880 --> 00:07:09.920 that they must also serve a societal good we require this this is normal 113 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:12.280 monopolistic governance uh... 114 00:07:12.280 --> 00:07:16.520 and so i think it's been good that women's sports have had been required to 115 00:07:16.520 --> 00:07:17.280 receive 116 00:07:17.280 --> 00:07:19.560 equal funding 117 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:24.200 as you and i were talking about in our you know not not on air here but before 118 00:07:24.200 --> 00:07:27.960 this is actually benefited male sports which a lot of people didn't understand 119 00:07:27.960 --> 00:07:30.480 uh... fifty years ago when title nine started 120 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.880 girls didn't participate in sports at the same level as boys 121 00:07:33.880 --> 00:07:36.360 so if i'm running a marketplace 122 00:07:36.360 --> 00:07:40.160 it's actually good for me to have more customers and we we doubled the number 123 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:44.160 of people available to be customers of youth sports because title nine 124 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:50.160 women's sports scholarships right and so now you've got millions and tens of 125 00:07:50.160 --> 00:07:54.240 millions of girls participating in youth sports right that wouldn't have but for 126 00:07:54.240 --> 00:07:57.960 title nine or would not have gone to college by the way exactly i mean i remember 127 00:07:57.960 --> 00:07:58.680 thinking 128 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:03.640 wait you could get a scholarship for tennis and like and actually go maybe to 129 00:08:03.640 --> 00:08:07.160 a great school wow well and and that has 130 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.640 external benefits as well Ernst and Young a couple years ago did a study 131 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.160 and they found out that ninety four percent of female executives played 132 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:17.160 organized sports growing up 133 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:20.000 fifty percent played in college 134 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.920 so when when people talk about equality of women's pay yeah in you know in in 135 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:29.360 women's ability to uh... break through glass ceilings in the workforce 136 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:33.919 the fastest way to do that is through girls sports participation 137 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:38.760 so girls are are learning in sports the soft skills of goal-making perseverance 138 00:08:38.760 --> 00:08:42.720 things like that that make for great executives my wife who is now the 139 00:08:42.720 --> 00:08:46.240 uh... you know effectively the executive of uh... you know 140 00:08:46.240 --> 00:08:49.120 twenty five hundred employees you know 141 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.080 uh... hundreds of millions of dollar budget 142 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:54.240 she swam growing up she swam at college and 143 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:58.280 you know being able to draw on the soft skills that she learned as an athlete 144 00:08:58.280 --> 00:09:01.600 has been very good for her as an executive yes yes we'll have to say she 145 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:05.680 was a georgia bulldog that's right georgia bulldog all things georgia 146 00:09:05.680 --> 00:09:07.040 yeah and if you're in the south 147 00:09:07.040 --> 00:09:10.800 I just tell people when I'm in georgia and I say my wife's a dog they say good for you 148 00:09:10.800 --> 00:09:14.800 and if I say that in colorado they're like you're a jerk 149 00:09:14.800 --> 00:09:17.400 d-e-w-g d-e-w-g 150 00:09:17.400 --> 00:09:20.120 I love it well anyway I 151 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.600 you and I also were saying that 152 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:25.360 uh... this this thing about 153 00:09:25.360 --> 00:09:30.720 uh... back in uh... the olympics where gymnastics was coming 154 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:34.160 about and the nasser situation how did you get involved in that 155 00:09:34.160 --> 00:09:38.040 so that was a that was a really interesting part of my life and by 156 00:09:38.040 --> 00:09:39.320 interesting I mean 157 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:41.920 very very ugly in many ways 158 00:09:41.920 --> 00:09:45.800 uh... as I sort of was winding down my own athletic career 159 00:09:45.800 --> 00:09:48.800 I had spent ten years at the olympic training center 160 00:09:48.800 --> 00:09:52.600 right I knew you know all the great athletes I was in michael phelps first 161 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:57.200 commercial I knew apollo ono's before anybody knew who apollo was 162 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.920 he didn't have two nickels to rub together and you know we we'd all just 163 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:02.560 sit around at the training center in the dining hall, 164 00:10:02.560 --> 00:10:05.200 and there are great friendships formed 165 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.400 that I still keep to this day. 166 00:10:07.400 --> 00:10:09.480 And so I'd spent a decade networking 167 00:10:09.480 --> 00:10:11.080 with the top athletes in the country, 168 00:10:11.080 --> 00:10:13.620 and I started hearing commonalities 169 00:10:13.620 --> 00:10:15.000 of complaints they had. 170 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:19.160 And maybe to a fault, my brain just wouldn't turn off. 171 00:10:19.160 --> 00:10:21.960 And I started thinking about what 172 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:24.040 I knew from my academic studies, what 173 00:10:24.040 --> 00:10:26.220 I knew from my professional life, 174 00:10:26.220 --> 00:10:28.840 and I started piecing together that there were governance 175 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:30.220 problems in the Olympic movement, 176 00:10:30.220 --> 00:10:31.720 again, predominantly around the fact 177 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:33.460 that they were a monopoly. 178 00:10:33.460 --> 00:10:37.340 And so being maybe a little bit naive, 179 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:40.500 I gave a speech to the Olympic Athlete Council, 180 00:10:40.500 --> 00:10:43.940 and I said, we're going to have a massive problem because 181 00:10:43.940 --> 00:10:45.460 of our governance. 182 00:10:45.460 --> 00:10:48.020 And the senior leadership of the Olympic Committee 183 00:10:48.020 --> 00:10:50.500 actually already knew that we had massive sexual assaults 184 00:10:50.500 --> 00:10:52.700 in the Olympics, and they were covering them up. 185 00:10:52.700 --> 00:10:56.740 Nassar was probably not known by this time, 186 00:10:56.760 --> 00:10:58.200 but they knew enough. 187 00:10:58.200 --> 00:11:00.840 They knew that the systems were in place 188 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.880 to allow for a major cover up, and that I 189 00:11:03.880 --> 00:11:05.260 had correctly identified that. 190 00:11:05.260 --> 00:11:08.600 So the senior leadership, the CEO of the Olympic Committee, 191 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.480 and others started really gunning for me 192 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:16.060 and went after my reputation, went after my businesses. 193 00:11:16.060 --> 00:11:19.280 And then this was several years before Nassar, 194 00:11:19.280 --> 00:11:21.640 and it became a protracted battle. 195 00:11:21.640 --> 00:11:24.560 In 2016, as monopolies will do. 196 00:11:24.560 --> 00:11:25.920 As monopolies will always do. 197 00:11:26.900 --> 00:11:32.060 So anyway, so as we round the corner into 2016, 198 00:11:32.060 --> 00:11:33.860 it had started ratcheting up. 199 00:11:33.860 --> 00:11:35.700 It felt like a powder keg in the Olympics. 200 00:11:35.700 --> 00:11:39.720 I flew out to DC, met with Will Hobson, who's a Pulitzer Prize 201 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:42.180 winning journalist, and he had just won a Pulitzer Prize 202 00:11:42.180 --> 00:11:44.340 on exposing corruption in the NCAA. 203 00:11:44.340 --> 00:11:46.380 And I said, what we have going on in the Olympics 204 00:11:46.380 --> 00:11:48.300 is going to make the NCAA blush. 205 00:11:48.300 --> 00:11:51.220 So starting in the spring of 2016, 206 00:11:51.220 --> 00:11:54.500 he started writing front page articles of the Washington 207 00:11:54.520 --> 00:11:57.840 Post about the issues in the Olympics. 208 00:11:57.840 --> 00:12:01.960 And then Nassar hit, and it went completely crazy. 209 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.400 I got a call from Nancy Hogshead-Makar, 210 00:12:04.400 --> 00:12:07.440 who I didn't know at the time. 211 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:09.600 In fact, after the first phone call I had with her, 212 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:10.800 my wife said, who are you on the phone with? 213 00:12:10.800 --> 00:12:13.720 I said, she's a swimmer from the 80s, Nancy Hogshead. 214 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:15.320 And my wife's jaw drops, and she says 215 00:12:15.320 --> 00:12:16.860 she's got three Olympic gold medals. 216 00:12:16.860 --> 00:12:19.880 And I had her poster on my wall growing up. 217 00:12:19.880 --> 00:12:22.800 And Nancy had heard about me and called me up and said, Eli, 218 00:12:22.980 --> 00:12:24.780 we're dealing with systemic sexual assaults 219 00:12:24.780 --> 00:12:25.780 in the Olympics. 220 00:12:25.780 --> 00:12:28.200 You seem to have a grasp of what brought this about. 221 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:30.900 So I started working with her and discovered 222 00:12:30.900 --> 00:12:32.500 that it really was systemic. 223 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:34.740 And then that put me at the forefront 224 00:12:34.740 --> 00:12:36.180 of the Olympic reforms. 225 00:12:36.180 --> 00:12:39.100 Congress asked me to basically explain to them 226 00:12:39.100 --> 00:12:41.340 and demystify the Olympic system. 227 00:12:41.340 --> 00:12:44.880 And I realized that these governance systems actually 228 00:12:44.880 --> 00:12:50.220 can cause really nasty trauma to athletes if they're not 229 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:51.100 addressed. 230 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.360 So again, walking forward, I wound up 231 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:55.920 as the lead-off expert in the Child USA 232 00:12:55.920 --> 00:12:58.280 report on Larry Nassar. 233 00:12:58.280 --> 00:13:01.000 And as that report was coming to a close, 234 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:04.440 it was a four-year process, this issue 235 00:13:04.440 --> 00:13:06.840 of males competing in female sports cropped up. 236 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:10.200 And I started talking to some of the women's rights people 237 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:11.040 that I worked with. 238 00:13:11.040 --> 00:13:14.400 And I said, guys, this is the next major thing that's coming. 239 00:13:14.400 --> 00:13:16.680 And same issues, and if we don't deal with this, 240 00:13:16.680 --> 00:13:18.360 we're going to have something much bigger than what 241 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:19.640 happened with Nassar. 242 00:13:19.640 --> 00:13:21.260 Yes, and we do, don't we? 243 00:13:21.260 --> 00:13:21.780 Oh, yeah. 244 00:13:21.780 --> 00:13:22.580 And we do. 245 00:13:22.580 --> 00:13:25.180 Yeah, what happened with Nassar was, 246 00:13:25.180 --> 00:13:27.380 I don't want to say isolated, because it was broad. 247 00:13:27.380 --> 00:13:29.220 But it was limited to a single sport. 248 00:13:29.220 --> 00:13:34.500 It was limited to a single set of sports administrators. 249 00:13:34.500 --> 00:13:36.540 And it was well-defined. 250 00:13:36.540 --> 00:13:38.940 What we're seeing now is going on everywhere. 251 00:13:38.940 --> 00:13:41.260 And this is the number one threat, 252 00:13:41.260 --> 00:13:44.180 I believe, to girls and women in America 253 00:13:44.180 --> 00:13:47.140 today in terms of their ability to participate 254 00:13:47.140 --> 00:13:48.560 not just in sports, but eventually 255 00:13:48.580 --> 00:13:50.340 in commerce, in business, in politics. 256 00:13:50.340 --> 00:13:55.060 Yes, yeah, because remember, in the last Olympics, 257 00:13:55.060 --> 00:13:57.900 we saw how this kind of sexual trauma 258 00:13:57.900 --> 00:14:00.100 affected our athletes, right? 259 00:14:00.100 --> 00:14:05.180 Simone Biles, we've seen others saying, yeah, I participated. 260 00:14:05.180 --> 00:14:07.660 But don't think for a second I wasn't traumatized 261 00:14:07.660 --> 00:14:08.780 through the whole thing. 262 00:14:08.780 --> 00:14:10.620 And now I can't really seem to move forward, 263 00:14:10.620 --> 00:14:12.460 or I sunk into massive depression. 264 00:14:12.460 --> 00:14:14.500 And that goes with you. 265 00:14:14.500 --> 00:14:14.980 It does. 266 00:14:14.980 --> 00:14:15.820 That goes with you. 267 00:14:15.820 --> 00:14:19.600 And again, systemically, though, like monopolies 268 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.200 are wont to do, the feminists who are around, 269 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:23.620 they're silenced. 270 00:14:23.620 --> 00:14:26.320 Independent women's voices, silenced. 271 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:28.160 Some of them are, and some of them are not. 272 00:14:28.160 --> 00:14:29.600 It's crazy. 273 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:31.640 When I was campaigning for the Senate, 274 00:14:31.640 --> 00:14:34.480 I started realizing that Leah Thomas was 275 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:36.400 going to become the flashpoint. 276 00:14:36.400 --> 00:14:41.680 It had all the signs as we headed into the fall of 2021. 277 00:14:41.680 --> 00:14:43.780 As we rounded the corner after Christmas, 278 00:14:43.780 --> 00:14:45.360 Nancy Hogshead, this gold medalist 279 00:14:45.380 --> 00:14:49.500 who I'd worked with on the Olympic reforms, 280 00:14:49.500 --> 00:14:53.500 she reached out to me and said, hey, we're hosting a Zoom call. 281 00:14:53.500 --> 00:14:56.420 And we'd like you to come on the Zoom call. 282 00:14:56.420 --> 00:14:58.380 I've got a bunch of my feminist activists 283 00:14:58.380 --> 00:15:01.340 that want to know what the heck's going on. 284 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:04.080 And so, I tried to log on to the Zoom call that night 285 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.440 and realized that she didn't have enough licenses. 286 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:07.600 So I called her up and I said, Nancy, 287 00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:08.800 I'm in the waiting room. 288 00:15:08.800 --> 00:15:10.680 She said, Eli, I've got 100 licenses 289 00:15:10.680 --> 00:15:12.560 and I've got 150 people in the waiting room. 290 00:15:12.560 --> 00:15:13.400 Oh my gosh. 291 00:15:13.400 --> 00:15:14.280 And I don't know what to do. 292 00:15:14.280 --> 00:15:18.320 And I said, well, my Senate campaign has 500 licenses 293 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:19.280 on our Zoom account. 294 00:15:19.280 --> 00:15:20.600 Do you wanna just send that out? 295 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:21.440 Right. 296 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:23.040 Just put a disclaimer, it's not a campaign event. 297 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:26.480 So five minutes later, I've got 250 liberal women's activists 298 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.560 on my Republican US Senate campaign Zoom call. 299 00:15:29.560 --> 00:15:33.440 And I'm like, well, this is interesting. 300 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:35.480 And we spent the next hour talking about 301 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:40.360 how to lobby Congress to protect women's sports. 302 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:43.400 So there are women's sports, women's activists 303 00:15:43.400 --> 00:15:45.760 who have come out and spoken on this. 304 00:15:45.760 --> 00:15:47.240 But, and I think they're growing. 305 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:48.080 I think that number is growing too. 306 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:49.880 By the way, how do you get involved in that? 307 00:15:49.880 --> 00:15:53.520 Because I can tell you, I think we have a lot 308 00:15:53.520 --> 00:15:56.320 of women athletes living here in Colorado Springs 309 00:15:57.280 --> 00:15:59.760 and engaged in various sports. 310 00:15:59.760 --> 00:16:01.040 It just come in subtle here. 311 00:16:01.040 --> 00:16:04.600 We have a lot of Air Force, as you know, retired. 312 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:06.720 When we're done with this, I'll need a link or something 313 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:09.200 because I think, again, 314 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.560 parents here are now looking at their daughters, 315 00:16:11.560 --> 00:16:13.640 their own engagement in sports and going, 316 00:16:13.640 --> 00:16:15.080 oh my gosh, what do I do? 317 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.600 What do I do if this happens at Pine Creek over here 318 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:21.120 or at Academy or what do I do? 319 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.800 We had an incident up at one of the high schools 320 00:16:23.800 --> 00:16:24.680 on the north side of town. 321 00:16:24.680 --> 00:16:27.760 Parents called me up and said that their daughter 322 00:16:27.760 --> 00:16:32.760 had been acting unusual and they finally got her 323 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.040 to tell them that there was a boy 324 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:37.040 that decided to start identifying as a girl 325 00:16:37.040 --> 00:16:39.880 that showed up in the locker room after PE 326 00:16:39.880 --> 00:16:43.080 and expected the girls to change in front of him. 327 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:45.280 And the parents were traumatized. 328 00:16:45.280 --> 00:16:48.040 The girl did not want this made public 329 00:16:48.040 --> 00:16:50.080 because the fear of cancellation. 330 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.760 So, and this is very real, but also Amy, 331 00:16:52.760 --> 00:16:54.160 I think it's important to remind people, 332 00:16:54.640 --> 00:16:56.800 this is not a fight just for girls. 333 00:16:56.800 --> 00:16:59.120 I don't, I'm the father of a boy, 334 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:03.320 but I don't want my son to grow up in a culture 335 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.480 that believes that boys should subordinate girls, 336 00:17:07.480 --> 00:17:09.599 that men should subordinate women. 337 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:14.560 I want him to learn that women are equal but not identical 338 00:17:14.560 --> 00:17:17.280 and that you treat women with respect. 339 00:17:17.280 --> 00:17:20.920 And ironically, that has sort of gone by the wayside. 340 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:23.960 So I think this is a battle that men need to engage in, 341 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:25.560 that boys need to engage in, 342 00:17:25.560 --> 00:17:27.160 whether you've got daughters or sons, 343 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:28.240 it doesn't make any difference. 344 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:31.760 This is a, in the same way that when we had people 345 00:17:31.760 --> 00:17:33.720 who were not allowed to drink at certain drinking fountains 346 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:36.480 because of their skin color, you know, 347 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.520 everybody in society needs to stand up and say, 348 00:17:38.520 --> 00:17:39.360 that's wrong. 349 00:17:39.360 --> 00:17:41.120 Everybody now needs to stand up and say, 350 00:17:41.120 --> 00:17:43.760 we need to protect the women's sports category 351 00:17:43.760 --> 00:17:47.560 because this is a basically human rights level fight now. 352 00:17:47.560 --> 00:17:48.400 No, it is. 353 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.120 I remember my son as an athlete went to Air Academy High. 354 00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:54.280 You and I talked about this. 355 00:17:54.280 --> 00:17:58.040 He was in college at Lehigh. 356 00:17:58.040 --> 00:18:02.320 And this is when Obama had kind of really across the board 357 00:18:02.320 --> 00:18:04.840 said, all male athletes are rapists, right? 358 00:18:04.840 --> 00:18:08.800 And he stood up at Lehigh along with other athletes 359 00:18:08.800 --> 00:18:11.000 and said, this couldn't be further from the truth. 360 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:13.640 We resent this kind of just labeling. 361 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:15.640 And you know, it takes a lot. 362 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.320 I mean, to stand, which we're gonna talk about later, 363 00:18:19.320 --> 00:18:22.720 but to stand and to stand artfully 364 00:18:23.560 --> 00:18:25.800 and actually intelligently 365 00:18:25.800 --> 00:18:27.560 and to be able to identify this stuff. 366 00:18:27.560 --> 00:18:30.160 When I was in DC, I remember, 367 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:35.120 I don't think people really get that Obama changed at HHS, 368 00:18:35.120 --> 00:18:39.040 the Title IX rules and regs to include transgender 369 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:40.880 way before Trump ever got in. 370 00:18:40.880 --> 00:18:42.960 And then when Trump got in, 371 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.720 HHS through Roger Severino said, oh, we're reversing that. 372 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:48.160 We're gonna move all that. 373 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:49.920 So that language was changed. 374 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.480 And then boom, bada bing, we're back with Biden. 375 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:55.600 And that language rechanges again. 376 00:18:55.600 --> 00:18:56.800 I mean, it's insane. 377 00:18:56.800 --> 00:18:58.280 It was day one. 378 00:18:58.280 --> 00:19:01.480 I remember Nancy Hogshead, who again, 379 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:03.240 she's a dear friend of mine. 380 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:05.040 We couldn't be farther apart politically. 381 00:19:05.040 --> 00:19:06.000 I'm a strong Republican. 382 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:08.000 She's a strong Democrat. 383 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.440 But this is an issue we completely agree on. 384 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.720 She called me up after Biden was sworn in 385 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:14.600 and she was furious. 386 00:19:14.600 --> 00:19:16.200 She said, did you know that President Biden 387 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:17.520 just signed an executive order 388 00:19:17.520 --> 00:19:19.040 giving men access to women's sports? 389 00:19:19.040 --> 00:19:21.240 I said, well, yeah, that's what he does. 390 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:23.600 This is, I mean, how did you not see this coming? 391 00:19:23.600 --> 00:19:24.440 Right. 392 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:26.080 Well, that was a payback on day one. 393 00:19:26.080 --> 00:19:27.080 Yeah, it was. 394 00:19:27.080 --> 00:19:29.960 And that was, in President Biden's view, 395 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:31.880 one of the most important things to happen 396 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:35.520 was to allow men to take women's scholarships from them, 397 00:19:35.520 --> 00:19:38.560 which I think is bizarre when you think about that. 398 00:19:38.560 --> 00:19:39.400 Right, right. 399 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.960 But tell me about the national outcry on this. 400 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:44.160 I mean, what kind of headway are we making then? 401 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.560 I mean, it feels like losing the battle everywhere. 402 00:19:47.560 --> 00:19:49.240 It's actually the opposite. 403 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:52.400 Every poll, the longer this is going on, 404 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:55.560 the more people are saying, this is ridiculous. 405 00:19:55.560 --> 00:19:56.680 It is, right. 406 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.120 The polling is continuing to trend farther and farther. 407 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:03.320 toward common sense on this issue. 408 00:20:03.320 --> 00:20:05.760 The most polling indicates that today, 409 00:20:05.760 --> 00:20:09.500 seven in 10 Americans would agree with us on this issue. 410 00:20:09.500 --> 00:20:11.700 What's really interesting is if you dissect that out 411 00:20:11.700 --> 00:20:15.360 by political groups, virtually every Republican does, 412 00:20:16.820 --> 00:20:18.860 which is what we would expect. 413 00:20:18.860 --> 00:20:21.480 Unaffiliateds are gonna break nearly universally 414 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:25.540 on this issue, and roughly half of Democrats also support it. 415 00:20:25.540 --> 00:20:29.820 So from a polling point of view and where society is, 416 00:20:29.820 --> 00:20:31.740 society thinks this is stupid. 417 00:20:31.740 --> 00:20:32.860 Society gets it. 418 00:20:32.860 --> 00:20:37.260 What's very interesting is that around the country, 419 00:20:37.260 --> 00:20:40.860 if I were to look at it, I can find zero congressmen 420 00:20:40.860 --> 00:20:44.820 or women on the Democratic side who will come out and say, 421 00:20:44.820 --> 00:20:47.420 gee, we support women's sports as a category. 422 00:20:48.620 --> 00:20:51.120 I can't find a governor who will do it. 423 00:20:51.120 --> 00:20:54.620 There was one state representative in Kansas 424 00:20:54.620 --> 00:20:57.020 who bucked his party and came out 425 00:20:57.020 --> 00:21:00.300 and supported overriding Laura Kelly's veto. 426 00:21:00.300 --> 00:21:01.900 Laura Kelly twice vetoed 427 00:21:01.900 --> 00:21:04.560 Protecting Women's Sports Act in Kansas. 428 00:21:04.560 --> 00:21:08.180 I helped a very large ad campaign work against her 429 00:21:08.180 --> 00:21:09.960 on this issue, and she came out and said, 430 00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.100 no, I'll protect the women's sports category, 431 00:21:12.100 --> 00:21:13.580 and only women should be in it, 432 00:21:13.580 --> 00:21:17.200 but she believes that you can have an XY chromosomes 433 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.640 and male genitalia and be a woman, 434 00:21:18.640 --> 00:21:20.300 and then you have a right to compete in women's sports, 435 00:21:20.300 --> 00:21:21.140 which is ridiculous. 436 00:21:21.140 --> 00:21:23.580 But anyway, so there was one Democrat there. 437 00:21:23.700 --> 00:21:27.060 I truly believe that if I went to Congress, 438 00:21:27.060 --> 00:21:29.020 okay, and again, Congress just voted on this 439 00:21:29.020 --> 00:21:32.180 a few weeks ago, and it was 100% party line. 440 00:21:32.180 --> 00:21:34.400 All Republicans voted to protect women's sports. 441 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:36.180 Every Democrat voted against it. 442 00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:38.760 I believe that if you made that a secret ballot, 443 00:21:39.740 --> 00:21:41.940 every Republican would still vote for it, 444 00:21:41.940 --> 00:21:44.860 and I'll bet you 80% of the Democrats in Congress 445 00:21:44.860 --> 00:21:45.900 would vote for it. 446 00:21:45.900 --> 00:21:47.820 So it's one of these things where I think 447 00:21:47.820 --> 00:21:49.140 in the privacy of their own homes, 448 00:21:49.140 --> 00:21:50.900 they're like, yeah, this is crazy, 449 00:21:50.940 --> 00:21:54.460 but they're being dragged in by this very vocal minority, 450 00:21:54.460 --> 00:21:56.020 by the woke and canceled culture 451 00:21:56.020 --> 00:21:57.820 that we're seeing out of corporations. 452 00:21:57.820 --> 00:22:00.500 But I do believe that this is backlashing, 453 00:22:00.500 --> 00:22:03.460 and part of this, Amy, is I think we're talking about it 454 00:22:03.460 --> 00:22:04.300 the right way. 455 00:22:05.340 --> 00:22:09.180 If you talk about it as being anti-trans, 456 00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:11.300 then it's a losing issue. 457 00:22:11.300 --> 00:22:13.740 But if you say, well, we want, 458 00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:15.180 under the First Amendment, if you're a man 459 00:22:15.180 --> 00:22:16.620 and you wanna wear a pink tutu and run around 460 00:22:16.620 --> 00:22:18.020 and say, I'm a girl, I'm a girl, 461 00:22:18.020 --> 00:22:20.260 I'll defend your right to do that. 462 00:22:20.260 --> 00:22:23.060 That's a freedom of speech, freedom of expression. 463 00:22:23.060 --> 00:22:25.820 But you can't go do that in the women's locker room. 464 00:22:25.820 --> 00:22:28.620 And we have federal laws that have given women 465 00:22:28.620 --> 00:22:31.260 the opportunity to be equal to men in sports, 466 00:22:31.260 --> 00:22:33.220 and we need to fight to defend that. 467 00:22:33.220 --> 00:22:36.220 So when we talk about protecting women's rights, 468 00:22:36.220 --> 00:22:38.380 this is a winning issue, and it's a growing issue 469 00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:40.620 that, again, more and more people in society 470 00:22:40.620 --> 00:22:41.580 are coming on board with. 471 00:22:41.580 --> 00:22:43.780 Are you hearing from parents locally at all 472 00:22:43.780 --> 00:22:45.620 about things going on? 473 00:22:45.620 --> 00:22:47.700 And the reason I ask you that is, 474 00:22:47.700 --> 00:22:50.420 I remember when I first joined the legislature, 475 00:22:50.420 --> 00:22:53.860 and I would, it was 2007, and we were dealing, 476 00:22:53.860 --> 00:22:55.300 I don't even know what we were dealing, 477 00:22:55.300 --> 00:22:59.140 but Rob Witwer and I put an amendment in 478 00:22:59.140 --> 00:23:01.940 that bathrooms couldn't be used, you know. 479 00:23:01.940 --> 00:23:04.540 You were probably denounced as crazy, no, whatever. 480 00:23:04.540 --> 00:23:07.420 Oh, you know, actually, Rob had worked it 481 00:23:07.420 --> 00:23:09.420 where the both of us said, you know, 482 00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:13.500 for churches, for other areas, 483 00:23:13.500 --> 00:23:15.020 bathrooms are not gonna be touched. 484 00:23:15.460 --> 00:23:17.700 I think that might have been struck down by now. 485 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:20.140 But at the time, I remember people were like, 486 00:23:20.140 --> 00:23:22.540 why did you put that amendment in? 487 00:23:22.540 --> 00:23:25.100 But I think we saw in the discussion 488 00:23:25.100 --> 00:23:26.380 where this was going. 489 00:23:26.380 --> 00:23:29.100 Well, and what's interesting is people have asked me, 490 00:23:29.100 --> 00:23:30.900 is there a common ground on this? 491 00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:32.900 Can you find a common ground? 492 00:23:32.900 --> 00:23:34.780 And in most cases. 493 00:23:34.780 --> 00:23:36.500 Oh, common ground, now that's a, that's. 494 00:23:36.500 --> 00:23:37.820 In most cases. 495 00:23:37.820 --> 00:23:39.300 That's a compromising word. 496 00:23:39.300 --> 00:23:41.300 Yeah, I know, isn't that crazy? 497 00:23:41.300 --> 00:23:44.780 But in most cases, I can find common ground with people. 498 00:23:45.540 --> 00:23:46.580 So I'm very pro-life. 499 00:23:46.580 --> 00:23:49.180 But, you know, I could probably find common ground 500 00:23:49.180 --> 00:23:51.220 with someone who's pro-abortion in the area of, 501 00:23:51.220 --> 00:23:53.300 let's say, foster to adopt policy. 502 00:23:53.300 --> 00:23:55.380 And saying, would you agree that if we have kids 503 00:23:55.380 --> 00:23:58.620 in foster care, we should help them find a loving home? 504 00:23:58.620 --> 00:24:02.460 Okay, so I believe in the ability to find 505 00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:04.780 some middle ground on most issues. 506 00:24:04.780 --> 00:24:07.940 This is an issue where I just don't see that. 507 00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:11.100 Because what you actually have are men, okay? 508 00:24:11.100 --> 00:24:12.140 These are actual men. 509 00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:14.060 And I'd like to also point out, 510 00:24:14.100 --> 00:24:16.020 we see this as, this is entirely one way. 511 00:24:16.020 --> 00:24:18.140 You don't see women clamoring into men's sports 512 00:24:18.140 --> 00:24:20.180 because they're gonna get clobbered, okay? 513 00:24:20.180 --> 00:24:22.860 You don't see women running into men's locker rooms 514 00:24:22.860 --> 00:24:23.700 and trying to change. 515 00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:26.140 That's not, you don't see women being declared 516 00:24:26.140 --> 00:24:29.820 Man of the Year or entering men's bodybuilding contests. 517 00:24:29.820 --> 00:24:32.540 So we're seeing men entering women's beauty pageants, 518 00:24:32.540 --> 00:24:34.380 men going into their locker rooms, 519 00:24:34.380 --> 00:24:36.380 men going into the women's sports category. 520 00:24:36.380 --> 00:24:39.380 This is a one-way men imposing themselves on women. 521 00:24:39.380 --> 00:24:42.260 Now, you said something interesting the other day to me. 522 00:24:42.260 --> 00:24:46.340 And I, we talked about deviancy, right? 523 00:24:46.340 --> 00:24:49.060 Versus dysphoria, okay? 524 00:24:49.060 --> 00:24:49.900 So let's tell me about that. 525 00:24:49.900 --> 00:24:50.740 Let's pause on that for a second. 526 00:24:50.740 --> 00:24:55.500 So gender dysphoria is a medical condition 527 00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:59.940 where your brain thinks that you have a different sex. 528 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:01.200 you actually have. 529 00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:03.720 OK, and that's been known for years. 530 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:08.120 I think the woke left is trying to muddy the waters on that. 531 00:25:08.120 --> 00:25:12.160 But that's a legitimate medical condition, 532 00:25:12.160 --> 00:25:13.880 in the same way that there are people who 533 00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:16.440 have a belief that they don't have an arm or a leg 534 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:17.840 or something like that. 535 00:25:17.840 --> 00:25:19.720 And historically, the way you treat 536 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:23.320 that is to bring the brain into compliance 537 00:25:23.320 --> 00:25:25.360 with the reality of the body. 538 00:25:25.360 --> 00:25:27.680 So if a patient walks in and says, 539 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:29.520 I don't believe I should have an arm, 540 00:25:29.560 --> 00:25:31.280 the surgeon doesn't cut the arm off and say, 541 00:25:31.280 --> 00:25:32.240 there, now you don't have an arm. 542 00:25:32.240 --> 00:25:33.440 We've solved the problem. 543 00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:35.600 They send you over to psychology and psychiatry 544 00:25:35.600 --> 00:25:37.800 to deal with the mental issue. 545 00:25:37.800 --> 00:25:40.000 What we're seeing, though, is this 546 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:44.080 has risen simply too fast to be a growth of gender dysphoria. 547 00:25:44.080 --> 00:25:46.920 And so there's a growing theory among those 548 00:25:46.920 --> 00:25:50.080 involved in the experts that what we're truly seeing, 549 00:25:50.080 --> 00:25:52.320 and this is based on looking at social media 550 00:25:52.320 --> 00:25:54.840 feeds of some of the high-profile men 551 00:25:54.840 --> 00:25:58.040 who have attempted to hijack women's sports, 552 00:25:58.080 --> 00:26:00.560 that there is a, that this is about 553 00:26:00.560 --> 00:26:03.120 sexual gratification of the man. 554 00:26:03.120 --> 00:26:05.040 So, and we'll look at a few of the cases. 555 00:26:05.040 --> 00:26:08.520 Leah Thomas is a biological male with male anatomy. 556 00:26:08.520 --> 00:26:10.480 Okay, when he competed. 557 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:12.040 Now they say he's taking hormones? 558 00:26:12.040 --> 00:26:13.520 Yes, no? 559 00:26:13.520 --> 00:26:15.000 Hormone blockers, I believe. 560 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.880 So he's subdued his testosterone. 561 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:22.440 But I just, I know we have a sensitive audience, 562 00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:25.040 so I'm gonna be very careful about how I describe this. 563 00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:29.600 But he has every anatomical part of a male. 564 00:26:29.600 --> 00:26:30.440 Yes. 565 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.240 Okay, and his romantic interests 566 00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:34.840 have historically been in women. 567 00:26:34.840 --> 00:26:35.680 Okay. 568 00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:37.160 Okay, and in talking to women 569 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:39.440 who were at the NCAA championships, 570 00:26:39.440 --> 00:26:42.080 he stripped down and was walking around naked 571 00:26:42.080 --> 00:26:44.040 in the women's bathroom. 572 00:26:44.040 --> 00:26:47.320 The women were counseled by the NCAA 573 00:26:47.320 --> 00:26:50.000 that they could receive counseling 574 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:54.560 if their transphobia caused sensitivities 575 00:26:54.600 --> 00:26:57.680 around seeing a naked male in their locker room. 576 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:02.200 But prior to this, Leah Thomas had put out 577 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:06.240 on social media comments about his enjoyment 578 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:10.400 of having a sexual fetish around pretending to be a woman. 579 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:12.640 And we're seeing this more and more. 580 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:14.640 There's more indication that this may be 581 00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.560 one of the bigger things that's coming into play. 582 00:27:16.560 --> 00:27:17.400 Right. 583 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:18.480 Is that what we're not seeing play out 584 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.360 is a massive growth of a psychological condition 585 00:27:22.360 --> 00:27:23.240 of gender dysphoria. 586 00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.080 What we're seeing is an exploitation of a system 587 00:27:26.080 --> 00:27:30.720 by males who have a sexual fetish 588 00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:32.400 around dressing up as women, 589 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:35.600 around being naked and imposing themselves on women. 590 00:27:35.600 --> 00:27:36.840 Like we're hearing from prisons. 591 00:27:36.840 --> 00:27:37.680 Correct. 592 00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:38.520 And this is happening in prisons. 593 00:27:38.520 --> 00:27:39.960 It's happening in a lot of places. 594 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.280 So that's, in my opinion, the essence of this issue. 595 00:27:43.280 --> 00:27:46.880 And to give everybody real clarity on this 596 00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.680 is what's really happening is you have men, 597 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:54.520 many of whom it appears are really sexual deviants, 598 00:27:54.520 --> 00:27:57.560 are trying to sexually and physically impose themselves 599 00:27:57.560 --> 00:27:59.920 on women at the expense of women. 600 00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:02.440 And so when you ask the question, is there middle ground? 601 00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:03.680 I would sort of ask the question, 602 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:05.520 okay, how many women should be required 603 00:28:05.520 --> 00:28:08.880 to undress in front of a man against their will? 604 00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:10.600 To me, the number is zero. 605 00:28:10.600 --> 00:28:11.760 I think that should be a zero. 606 00:28:11.760 --> 00:28:13.760 I don't think it's like 5%, 10%. 607 00:28:13.760 --> 00:28:17.320 I don't think there is an appropriate number other than zero. 608 00:28:17.360 --> 00:28:21.160 How many women should lose their sports careers 609 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:25.200 over to a man who wants to gratify himself 610 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.480 sexually or otherwise at the expense of women? 611 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:28.920 My number is zero. 612 00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:30.080 Or who speaks out. 613 00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:32.160 Now that leads me to Riley Gaines 614 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:34.080 because you've been working with her. 615 00:28:34.080 --> 00:28:37.560 And I mean, just the treatment of her, 616 00:28:37.560 --> 00:28:42.040 the woman who has trained her whole life, 617 00:28:42.040 --> 00:28:44.840 disciplined her life around this, 618 00:28:44.840 --> 00:28:48.160 speaks out that this isn't right. 619 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.000 And she's the one. 620 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.320 She's the one made to pay. 621 00:28:51.320 --> 00:28:55.080 Now we're seeing this all over society, but. 622 00:28:55.080 --> 00:28:57.560 And she definitely over the last year 623 00:28:57.560 --> 00:28:59.080 has become the lightning rod around it. 624 00:28:59.080 --> 00:29:01.680 But we're seeing this, we're seeing it more and more. 625 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:03.640 There's more women now that are speaking out 626 00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.920 and they're speaking out correctly and telling, 627 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.600 I don't like the word their truth 628 00:29:08.600 --> 00:29:12.040 because truth is objective and it's not internal to someone. 629 00:29:12.040 --> 00:29:13.000 It is truth. 630 00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:15.680 The truth is, this is men imposing themselves on women. 631 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:17.720 And I'd like to back up, let's say six years ago 632 00:29:17.720 --> 00:29:19.480 to the hashtag Me Too movement. 633 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.680 So six years ago, we had this rash of women saying, 634 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:26.680 we have these powerful men in the entertainment industry 635 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:29.480 and the finance industry that are imposing themselves 636 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.960 on women, okay? 637 00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:35.200 And I'm like, what's happening today? 638 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:37.160 So, you know. 639 00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.120 How many women are at the very top of the NCAA? 640 00:29:40.120 --> 00:29:41.840 Yeah, I mean, I think I'd argue 641 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.120 that we again have powerful men imposing themselves 642 00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:48.120 on women, you know, on women. 643 00:29:48.120 --> 00:29:51.320 And the sports administrators who have tolerated this are, 644 00:29:51.320 --> 00:29:53.480 by the way, rich white men. 645 00:29:54.360 --> 00:29:56.920 So it's really kind of interesting. 646 00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.000 And what's encouraging to me is to see. 647 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:06.800 women, historically liberal women, who are activated around the abortion issue, who are 648 00:30:06.800 --> 00:30:09.440 coming around and saying this is a different issue. 649 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:13.560 And if I might digress into that for a minute, because people say, well, how can you, you 650 00:30:13.560 --> 00:30:16.480 know, you're a pro-life, how can you say you support women's rights? 651 00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.280 Well, first of all, I don't think those are in Least Pit Exclusive. 652 00:30:19.280 --> 00:30:22.200 I think that that's different. 653 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:27.040 But as we look at why is this becoming a lightning rod issue, why are some of these women who 654 00:30:27.040 --> 00:30:32.360 were lifelong Democrats would never consider voting for a Republican, why are they changing? 655 00:30:32.360 --> 00:30:37.200 I think it's because, you know, we had Roe v. Wade was struck down by the Supreme Court 656 00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.800 and nothing happened. 657 00:30:38.800 --> 00:30:39.800 Okay. 658 00:30:39.800 --> 00:30:42.320 In Colorado, nothing happened. 659 00:30:42.320 --> 00:30:44.520 Our laws didn't change. 660 00:30:44.520 --> 00:30:45.520 Nothing happened. 661 00:30:45.520 --> 00:30:46.520 Okay. 662 00:30:46.520 --> 00:30:51.240 The vast majority of women in America don't deal head on with abortion. 663 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:52.240 Okay. 664 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:55.800 It's not a, it's not a personal deal to most women. 665 00:30:55.800 --> 00:30:58.600 You wouldn't know that at the Capitol. 666 00:30:58.600 --> 00:31:02.160 But there's, there's women who are past childbearing age, there's women who are trying to get pregnant 667 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:03.160 and can't. 668 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:09.560 So it's, it's an issue that is more esoteric to, to a lot of the women's activists. 669 00:31:09.560 --> 00:31:10.560 Okay. 670 00:31:10.560 --> 00:31:15.560 But this one is, you know, my mom is in her seventies and she swims every day or three 671 00:31:15.560 --> 00:31:17.080 times a week. 672 00:31:17.080 --> 00:31:21.920 And let's say that a man decided to identify as a woman, he walks into the locker room 673 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:22.920 there. 674 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:24.360 She's impacted by that. 675 00:31:24.360 --> 00:31:30.040 So women of every age are at this point being impacted by men encroaching on women's spaces. 676 00:31:30.040 --> 00:31:36.520 And so I think this is why this issue is, is by far transcending now abortion as, as 677 00:31:36.520 --> 00:31:42.800 the women's rights issue, because there's literally not a woman out there who I know 678 00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:47.480 of that doesn't eventually use a public restroom or who doesn't have a daughter in sports or 679 00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:54.080 who doesn't want her son to marry a tremendous woman who has great opportunities in life 680 00:31:54.080 --> 00:31:56.280 because she got to participate in sports. 681 00:31:56.280 --> 00:32:02.360 So this issue touches so many more women than the abortion issue does, which is why I think 682 00:32:02.360 --> 00:32:06.200 it is, it is, it is now the preeminent issue on women's rights. 683 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.600 And I think it's, it's going to surpass everything else in the category. 684 00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:16.120 I'd argue we haven't done a good enough job actually looking at pro-life into women's 685 00:32:16.120 --> 00:32:17.120 rights. 686 00:32:17.120 --> 00:32:18.120 Okay. 687 00:32:18.120 --> 00:32:23.680 I don't think we've done a good enough job because I had a podcast where we talked about 688 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:29.560 what took place in the Capitol this past year and transgender, feminist, Planned Parenthood, 689 00:32:29.560 --> 00:32:32.600 all as one speaking as one, right. 690 00:32:32.600 --> 00:32:33.800 And that we're all going to pay for it. 691 00:32:33.800 --> 00:32:36.360 I like, I had a girl who sat next to me. 692 00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:40.560 I don't, I don't know who she was, but she said, well, I didn't see anybody there for 693 00:32:40.560 --> 00:32:42.400 me when I had my kid. 694 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.760 Like I didn't get the tummy tuck. 695 00:32:43.760 --> 00:32:46.440 I didn't get any gender affirming care. 696 00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:51.600 I got to birth a bowling ball and gender affirming care is boys who want to pretend to be girls. 697 00:32:51.600 --> 00:32:52.600 That's what it generally is. 698 00:32:52.600 --> 00:32:54.840 But I looked, I, I, it was so funny cause she was dying. 699 00:32:54.840 --> 00:32:59.680 I kind of looked, you know, and kind of was like, well, I mean, you know, when we're talking 700 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:06.200 about all this and where it's going, you know, I think, and I, I do, I will tell you, take 701 00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:11.840 the Riley Gaines issue, a woman that speaks out about it or says, Hey, is there something 702 00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:14.480 inherently wrong, right. 703 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:19.400 In, in, in some of this is the one punished, right. 704 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:20.400 So yeah. 705 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:21.400 Yes. 706 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:22.400 No, no is yes. 707 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.400 Right. 708 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.400 Is wrong. 709 00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:25.400 Wrong. 710 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.760 You look at these, uh, these girls in California who were beaten by boys and lost their, their 711 00:33:28.760 --> 00:33:33.400 place at the state meet, uh, they were told that if they spoke out, they'd be punished 712 00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:37.320 and suspended from school under the anti-bullying rules at the school. 713 00:33:37.320 --> 00:33:44.760 So, um, you know, we're, we're dealing now with an issue that, uh, that tomorrow, 22nd 714 00:33:44.760 --> 00:33:50.080 of June, uh, there will be a world team trial starting in Knoxville, Tennessee, and there's 715 00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:55.640 a biological male who's expected to win the cycling world team trials for the women. 716 00:33:55.640 --> 00:34:00.260 And I happen to know that the, the women who've been involved have been told explicitly they're 717 00:34:00.260 --> 00:34:04.520 not allowed to speak out that if, that if they lose their spot to a male, they need 718 00:34:04.520 --> 00:34:09.679 to take their lumps because there's corporations who will pull their sponsorships back. 719 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:10.679 Right. 720 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:14.880 And so it's, and so going back to, again, the kind of women that are coming on board 721 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:20.000 with this, I'll, I'll use Inga Thomas as a, as an example, uh, Inga Thompson, rather. 722 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.199 She's a three-time Olympic cycler who has spent her entire life. 723 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:29.199 She's probably in her mid to late fifties now as a, as a Democrat voting party line 724 00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:30.199 Democrat. 725 00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.600 I was talking to her a few days ago and she said she has unregistered as a Democrat and 726 00:34:34.600 --> 00:34:39.239 is not going to vote Democrat anymore until they figure out what a woman is. 727 00:34:40.080 --> 00:34:42.159 And I've seen this again and again. 728 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:48.120 Um, my, uh, my deputy campaign manager, uh, Riley Scott, uh, she was a four-time all American 729 00:34:48.120 --> 00:34:49.639 swimmer out of USC. 730 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.480 Her mom, uh, Terry Scott was, was one of the original title nine recipients and it was 731 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:58.320 a volleyball scholar at Berkeley and she wore a Birkenstocks and she's liberal. 732 00:34:58.320 --> 00:34:59.960 And she, uh, she testified. 733 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.680 Colorado had the Saving Women Sports Act here and she said I'm a single-issue 734 00:35:04.680 --> 00:35:08.520 voter I will no longer vote for anyone or any party that doesn't recognize the 735 00:35:08.520 --> 00:35:13.240 fundamental biological nature of what a woman is and and I think that's again as 736 00:35:13.240 --> 00:35:17.440 people think about how do we talk about this issue you know this is a defining 737 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:24.160 a defining point is we view womanhood as being a biological state and the woke 738 00:35:24.160 --> 00:35:29.080 agenda says it's a psychological state. Or as Douglas Murray would say we have 739 00:35:29.080 --> 00:35:33.720 hardware and then software was where everybody just went nuts yeah and and I 740 00:35:33.720 --> 00:35:38.240 think he's and and this by the way is a gay man writing a book on the madness of 741 00:35:38.240 --> 00:35:43.800 crowds and it is I think a form of madness the thing that I get concerned 742 00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:50.120 though is what does that do that kind of suppression do to women take your 743 00:35:50.120 --> 00:35:54.560 cyclists who are told oh it's it's devastating right and you know mentally 744 00:35:54.560 --> 00:35:59.680 physically emotionally because these are women we want in the boardrooms and 745 00:35:59.680 --> 00:36:04.640 as executives right? And the ripple effect of this just inside that that 746 00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:09.280 microcosm there I was talking to a coach who's got I believe a 16 and a 17 year 747 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.120 old girl who's on girls who are on the National Circuit racing with this male 748 00:36:14.120 --> 00:36:18.080 and she was telling me that one of the issues they're they're running into is 749 00:36:18.080 --> 00:36:22.920 that when they're on these long road races you know the three four five hours 750 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:26.160 long periodically you're consuming a lot of liquids and liquids have to go 751 00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:30.160 somewhere and so they have a call of nature call and the leaders of the 752 00:36:30.160 --> 00:36:34.240 Peloton will say hey we're we're doing this and they pull off on the side of 753 00:36:34.240 --> 00:36:37.000 the road in the middle of nowhere and it's not up until this point what 754 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.560 happens next isn't an issue because they're all women right so now there's a 755 00:36:40.560 --> 00:36:47.720 man in that group who is expecting you know a 16 and 17 year old girl I talked 756 00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:52.320 to these girls coaches and she said you know these girls do not want to undress 757 00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:56.400 in front of a man or display you know their private parts in front of a man 758 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.640 right and so you know they're they're scratching their heads and saying how do 759 00:36:59.640 --> 00:37:03.960 we even participate in the sport yes with this man imposing himself on our 760 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:09.520 bodies Wow Wow I it just goes so many different ways right and but Amy 761 00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:13.840 eventually you have to come back to saying there men are men and women are 762 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:19.600 women there is a biological difference and men and women are different but not 763 00:37:19.600 --> 00:37:23.360 unequal and you can say that without being called a transphobe well it's just 764 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:27.920 recognizing a biological reality right okay call me crazy but no man will ever 765 00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:32.680 give birth to a child every human being on the planet owes their life to a woman 766 00:37:32.680 --> 00:37:38.560 we we need each other right and we were built to complement each other you know 767 00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:42.320 we're different physically men don't live as long you know their bodies are 768 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:47.320 built stronger they burn out faster women you know have have the ability to 769 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.240 bear children they tend to be much more intuitive you know that they do they do 770 00:37:51.240 --> 00:37:57.640 great jobs that men can't do and so you know they're equal but not identical and 771 00:37:57.640 --> 00:38:02.360 I think the average human being actually knows this whether you're looking at 772 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.720 yourself in the mirror your spouse or your child you know that there's a 773 00:38:05.720 --> 00:38:09.040 difference between men and women and boys and girls that's why this is coming 774 00:38:09.040 --> 00:38:12.320 to a head now and most people the vast majority of Americans are saying this is 775 00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:18.640 stupid right it's really dumb it's quite insane yeah but the psychological I 776 00:38:18.640 --> 00:38:25.480 think the byproduct psychologically to me when you have spent your life with 777 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:29.480 with other women working out I mean I played on tennis team right I mean you 778 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:34.440 there's a camaraderie there is you know you spend all your time doing this and 779 00:38:34.440 --> 00:38:39.800 then to be told if you object right you're gonna get canceled yes you'll be 780 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:44.160 canceled so Leah Thomas's teammates were told if they objected so they were 781 00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:47.760 expected to share a locker room with him and undress in front of him and again 782 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.320 this is a man who is sexually attracted to women and active sexually with women 783 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:56.720 okay must be a crowd for the closed-off bathroom oh yeah it was it was terrible 784 00:38:56.720 --> 00:39:00.260 and then they were told if they quit the swim team they'd basically be 785 00:39:00.260 --> 00:39:04.360 blacklisted that they couldn't transfer schools that they if they spoke out they 786 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:08.040 would never get a job they would never go to master's degree right I mean they 787 00:39:08.040 --> 00:39:11.920 were they were blackmail right total emotional blackmail and it's but here's 788 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:17.080 here's the other set of victims though Amy is that we're breeding this as a 789 00:39:17.080 --> 00:39:20.680 problem it's not good for the person who's pretending to be a gender that 790 00:39:20.680 --> 00:39:24.960 they're not the suicide rates the left always points to the suicide rates and 791 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:32.880 stuff like that and I say okay okay so if I and there's tons of research people 792 00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:37.040 can go online to read about this right about the about hormonal deficiencies if 793 00:39:37.040 --> 00:39:42.880 I take a male and I reduce his testosterone by 50 60 70 percent and you 794 00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.200 just go into a symptom checker they're gonna say it leads to depression 795 00:39:45.200 --> 00:39:50.560 trouble sleeping irritability suicidal tendencies stuff like that okay that 796 00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:54.520 same amount of testosterone if I put that testosterone that leads those 797 00:39:54.520 --> 00:39:58.000 symptoms in a man if I put that in a woman's body it's gonna lead to 798 00:39:58.000 --> 00:40:00.520 irritability 799 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:07.160 And so, it's really interesting that if I take the word transgender out of the equation 800 00:40:07.160 --> 00:40:11.600 and I look at the medical, they say, well, we don't have medical research about gender 801 00:40:11.600 --> 00:40:12.600 affirming care. 802 00:40:12.600 --> 00:40:13.600 Yes, we do. 803 00:40:13.600 --> 00:40:14.680 It's been going on for years. 804 00:40:14.680 --> 00:40:16.960 It's called hormonal treatments. 805 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.920 And if you said, what's the fastest way to drive a male crazy psychologically, I'd say 806 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.520 take out his testosterone. 807 00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:28.040 The male brain cannot function without enough testosterone. 808 00:40:28.040 --> 00:40:30.880 This is proven medical fact. 809 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.120 And then all of a sudden, we get these sociologists to come in and say, well, maybe he's not a 810 00:40:35.120 --> 00:40:36.120 man. 811 00:40:36.120 --> 00:40:37.120 He's a woman. 812 00:40:37.120 --> 00:40:38.120 I'm like, tell his DNA that. 813 00:40:38.120 --> 00:40:39.300 Well, didn't we just see? 814 00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:44.800 We just looked at a number of European studies coming out of the UK, coming out of Sweden. 815 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:50.280 And Europe is shutting this down now, which is crazy that we are more ridiculous than 816 00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:51.280 Europe. 817 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:52.920 I never thought I'd see that day. 818 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:53.920 But yes, here we are. 819 00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.600 I mean, Sweden has just pretty much said, Sweden pretty much said no on COVID. 820 00:40:58.600 --> 00:40:59.600 Here's what we're doing. 821 00:40:59.600 --> 00:41:00.840 And they've said no on this. 822 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:01.840 Here's what we're doing. 823 00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:03.320 Yeah, it's amazing. 824 00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:04.320 And same with UK. 825 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.400 And these are not just one study. 826 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:07.400 These are there. 827 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:08.400 These are meta analysis. 828 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:13.280 Well, and, and, you know, it's funny, I've been playing around with AI chat bots. 829 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:18.400 And so I went on to the main one, a few couple weeks ago, and I asked it if gender affirming 830 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:21.140 care was scientifically proven, and it said yes. 831 00:41:21.140 --> 00:41:25.960 So this is something people need to watch out for, is that as AI comes up, these bots 832 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:27.260 have been programmed on this. 833 00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:30.980 And then I queried and I said, so it's signed, it has been scientifically valid through the 834 00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:34.260 scientific method, and the chat bot had to back up. 835 00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:36.700 And then I said, well, how many studies have shown this? 836 00:41:36.700 --> 00:41:38.860 And it basically couldn't produce any. 837 00:41:38.860 --> 00:41:43.260 And so I think when people hear this, that gender affirming care has been proven to be 838 00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:45.860 true, is a complete falsehood, right? 839 00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:52.140 It's like Dan Crenshaw yesterday in Congress asking what Yale doctor about this show me 840 00:41:52.140 --> 00:41:53.180 just one study. 841 00:41:53.180 --> 00:41:58.100 So what what's been going on in academia is that is that a progressive will write a paper, 842 00:41:58.100 --> 00:42:02.140 it gets reviewed by other progressives, and then they reach, quote, consensus, right? 843 00:42:02.140 --> 00:42:04.860 Yeah, it's peer reviewed, and they reach consensus. 844 00:42:04.860 --> 00:42:09.460 And I'm like, well, consensus isn't how, in fact, the chatbot I was using said there was 845 00:42:09.460 --> 00:42:10.900 a consensus on this. 846 00:42:10.900 --> 00:42:13.420 I said, does consensus mean scientific truth? 847 00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:16.140 And you know, again, had to back up, it's like, no. 848 00:42:16.140 --> 00:42:17.140 That's crazy. 849 00:42:17.140 --> 00:42:18.140 Yeah. 850 00:42:18.140 --> 00:42:23.340 So you know, I think if people want to do some research on this, yes, go Google hormonal 851 00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:25.620 deficiencies in men, what are the symptoms? 852 00:42:25.620 --> 00:42:30.460 And if I take those away, you realize that, and this is an area, I mean, I'm passionate 853 00:42:30.460 --> 00:42:34.380 for these people that are caught up in this, because I think it's wrecking their lives. 854 00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:38.300 And I look at this and say, a lot of the symptoms that we see that people are saying are probably 855 00:42:38.300 --> 00:42:40.960 caused by hormones, not fixed by them. 856 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:46.400 And so this is, it's been known that in America, male testosterone has been dropping about 857 00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.200 1% per year for over 35 years. 858 00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:53.920 And so I'd like to see, instead of us coming out and saying, let's have men who think they're 859 00:42:53.920 --> 00:43:00.280 women impose their selves on women, no one's yet done a study on their incoming hormonal 860 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.440 levels and saying, is there, you know, what else is going on behind the scenes with this? 861 00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:07.440 And so I think as conservatives, we can show compassion on this issue. 862 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.440 Sure. 863 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:09.440 And I think that's important. 864 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:10.440 Sure. 865 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:11.920 I don't hate anybody. 866 00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:16.280 I support, I support people's right to say or do just about whatever they want, as long 867 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:18.880 as it doesn't impinge on somebody else. 868 00:43:18.880 --> 00:43:23.480 But we can also then say, we can have compassion and say, I feel bad for people that have a 869 00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:26.440 40% chance of trying to commit suicide. 870 00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:29.840 But exacerbating their problems doesn't help. 871 00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:31.320 Let's get to the bottom of it. 872 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.560 You know, if someone's obese and diabetic, you don't do them any favor by saying, let's 873 00:43:35.560 --> 00:43:38.320 just affirm your disease. 874 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:42.160 Let's work on fixing this and bringing your body into a reality that's healthy. 875 00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:44.240 Now, you can't talk about this, probably. 876 00:43:44.240 --> 00:43:49.000 I think you told me you were in touch with someone who actually went through some transition, 877 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:50.000 Chloe. 878 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:56.120 Oh, I haven't, I haven't directly, but a number of people I work with have been, and this 879 00:43:56.120 --> 00:43:57.560 is becoming a much bigger issue. 880 00:43:57.560 --> 00:44:03.040 These girls who transitioned at age 13, and you're not transitioning, you're mutilating 881 00:44:03.040 --> 00:44:04.040 your body. 882 00:44:04.040 --> 00:44:05.040 Okay. 883 00:44:05.040 --> 00:44:07.440 And it's permanent, it's irreversible. 884 00:44:07.560 --> 00:44:12.760 And, you know, if I, if I went to a coffee shop in downtown Colorado Springs, and I approached 885 00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.840 the average, we'll call it 30 year old woman who's there having a cup of coffee. 886 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:21.320 And I said, there's a country that, that allows their children to be genitally mutilated and 887 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:25.940 sterilized to conform to societal and cultural norms. 888 00:44:25.940 --> 00:44:26.940 Is that appropriate? 889 00:44:26.940 --> 00:44:27.940 They would say, absolutely not. 890 00:44:27.940 --> 00:44:30.280 And I say, that's America in 2023. 891 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:31.280 Yes. 892 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:32.280 Yes. 893 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:33.680 So we've got to get some clarity around this. 894 00:44:33.680 --> 00:44:34.980 We need clarity. 895 00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:35.980 We do. 896 00:44:36.580 --> 00:44:42.500 And once again, I think the issue is not only just getting the right help. 897 00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:45.300 I mean, at 13, the brain, right? 898 00:44:45.300 --> 00:44:51.060 Your development, your social, emotional, your all that is so into play, right? 899 00:44:51.060 --> 00:44:57.340 And I think if asked, if at any doctor, I mean, I can even tell you, doctors have said, 900 00:44:57.340 --> 00:44:59.940 this is a phase, this is this, let's just wait a while. 901 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.000 My eight-year-old son thinks he's a Jedi, okay? 902 00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.000 He used to think... 903 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:06.000 So did my son, thought he was too. 904 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.000 Two years ago, he was into Paw Patrol, he thought he was a dog, okay? 905 00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.000 But we're not transitioning him and we don't take him to the vet. 906 00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:12.000 Right. 907 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:14.000 So there's a certain dose of reality that we need. 908 00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.000 And it's interesting that we have people say, 909 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:20.000 well, your brain's not mature enough to own a gun until you're 21, 25 years old. 910 00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:21.000 Right. 911 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:26.000 But at age 6, 7, 8, you're mature enough to, you know, to say, 912 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000 oh, I'm actually a girl when I'm a boy. 913 00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:34.000 Well, I want people to understand how they can get a hold of you or, you know, 914 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.000 because this is such important work. 915 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.000 Tell me, how do they get a hold of you? 916 00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.000 I'm pretty easy to find. 917 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:40.000 I'm on all the social media platforms. 918 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.000 That's actually, ironically, that's how most people reach out now. 919 00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:44.000 Yeah. 920 00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:49.000 So I'm working a couple of things behind the scenes that aren't quite ready yet to announce launch on. 921 00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.000 But to me, this is a passion. 922 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.000 I think it's something that's important for our society. 923 00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.000 Again, I'm a man. 924 00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:58.000 I competed in the Olympics as a man. 925 00:45:58.000 --> 00:45:59.000 I have a son. 926 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:00.000 Right. 927 00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:05.000 But I look at this, and I say, I don't want to have my son grow up in an America 928 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.000 where the girls that he's in school with are second-rate citizens. 929 00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.000 Right. 930 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:14.000 I don't want him, you know, I want the girl who he eventually meets and marries to have the same opportunities that he did. 931 00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.000 So you have the same relationship with a spouse that I have with mine. 932 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.000 Right. 933 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:18.000 We agree. 934 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.000 Because she had these opportunities growing up. 935 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:21.000 We agree. 936 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:22.000 Eli, thank you. 937 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.000 I'm just so grateful to even have the conversation about this. 938 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:25.000 Thanks for being here. 939 00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:26.000 Thanks for having me on, Amy. 940 00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.000 I appreciate it.