WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:14.120 Welcome everyone to the empower you podcast where we are empowering you to make a difference 2 00:00:14.120 --> 00:00:20.960 in the world wherever God has called you and today we have my son Daniel Holt my first 3 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:27.240 born son my second born child out of seven so he had to learn how to be a leader really 4 00:00:27.240 --> 00:00:33.600 quick but what we try to do at empower you with our podcast is interview people who are 5 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:41.080 successful in a particular arena that is making a kingdom of God impact making a kingdom of 6 00:00:41.080 --> 00:00:46.200 God revolution happen where they are at and so we are going to have different people all 7 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:51.900 the time from different fields and today I want to talk to Daniel about the financial 8 00:00:51.900 --> 00:01:02.140 arena because first of all being his dad I never could believe that Daniel doing what 9 00:01:02.140 --> 00:01:09.100 he's doing today so successfully but Daniel has been super successful in the financial 10 00:01:09.100 --> 00:01:16.760 realm he became one of the quickest six-figure earners within the regional sector of senior 11 00:01:16.760 --> 00:01:26.720 managers of the company he works for he recently reached the $250,000 ring and he is now helping 12 00:01:26.720 --> 00:01:31.280 just hundreds if not many I don't know it might be thousands now of people around the 13 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:36.360 country helping them really and you're gonna you're gonna elaborate on this more Daniel 14 00:01:36.360 --> 00:01:41.440 with me but it feels like from talking to you and Chandler so many times around the 15 00:01:41.440 --> 00:01:47.880 fire in the kitchen at the church and different places we're at that one of your passions 16 00:01:47.880 --> 00:01:54.440 is to make people as healthy and wealthy as possible as Christians I mean to take their 17 00:01:54.440 --> 00:02:00.760 Christian faith now you're not working only with believers but you with believers you 18 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:08.080 try to bring a kingdom of God revolution through their faith that their faith should be having 19 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:13.680 an impact and that God's empowered them to have dominion over the financial areas of 20 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:19.160 their life and I know that many conversations had about how hard that is sometimes because 21 00:02:19.160 --> 00:02:27.960 of people's view of either the end times everything's gonna go to hell in a handbasket soon or just 22 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:32.400 laziness and then they kind of spiritualize their laziness let me just start back let's 23 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:39.000 when did you as a young man maybe you were a child I don't know because we I've never 24 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:44.200 even asked you this question but when did you get an inkling that you might have an 25 00:02:44.200 --> 00:02:51.600 interest in the area of being an entrepreneur finances those kind of things yeah well thanks 26 00:02:51.600 --> 00:02:58.160 for having me dad yeah I think for me I actually don't think I ever really had an interest 27 00:02:58.160 --> 00:03:05.400 to be an entrepreneur I think for me I was more interested early on in numbers I really 28 00:03:05.400 --> 00:03:13.800 was fascinated me statistics strategic thinking was something that I was really kind of naturally 29 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:20.200 into I really never really had an interest in entrepreneurship but I think I started 30 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:27.920 to have an interest more in the type of kind of character that different people in the 31 00:03:27.920 --> 00:03:35.440 entrepreneur space kind of exemplified and that's really what kind of caught my interest down the 32 00:03:35.440 --> 00:03:41.120 road I even getting into finance I really wasn't thinking oh I want to be an entrepreneur is more 33 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:46.720 like oh I like numbers I like different aspects about that and then I kind of learned it as I 34 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:53.600 started to go I think that was something that I had but one thing I will say is growing up as a 35 00:03:53.600 --> 00:04:02.360 PK as a pastor's kid I saw you be about as close to an entrepreneur as you can be without being an 36 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:07.360 entrepreneur building a whole church and so when I started to get older and to start out different 37 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:13.440 jobs I started to realize like I think a little different than other people and I started to 38 00:04:13.440 --> 00:04:20.279 realize like the whole job thing wasn't really my cup of tea so it was almost it was almost I 39 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:24.920 wasn't thinking entrepreneurship I was more thinking I don't really like this whole corporate 40 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:30.640 thing and then I realized oh I'm supposed to be an entrepreneur now you had someone come up to you 41 00:04:30.640 --> 00:04:37.400 at church you had graduated with an art well it was an archaeology degree but archaeology was kind 42 00:04:37.400 --> 00:04:45.960 of a focus of yours yeah archaeology and Hebraic languages you had been on an archaeological dig 43 00:04:45.960 --> 00:04:56.960 you enjoyed that but not exactly the major to get you land you like top jobs so you were just doing 44 00:04:56.960 --> 00:04:59.240 anything you could to make money after college 45 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.320 You're getting ready to marry Chandler. 46 00:05:02.320 --> 00:05:06.200 So that was an incentive too about what you're going to do. 47 00:05:06.200 --> 00:05:10.900 But then someone took an interest in you, and I'm talking about Mark. 48 00:05:10.900 --> 00:05:14.360 Mark came up to you and he began a conversation. 49 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.560 Talk to me about what he said. 50 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:24.400 The reason I say that is because this involves you, but I think because of Mark and his mentorship, 51 00:05:24.400 --> 00:05:25.840 you've been able to mentor others. 52 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:33.060 He's kind of modeled something that we want to see in a kingdom of God revolution happening 53 00:05:33.060 --> 00:05:34.060 all over the place. 54 00:05:34.060 --> 00:05:35.060 Yeah. 55 00:05:35.060 --> 00:05:36.960 Well, actually Mark didn't walk up to me. 56 00:05:36.960 --> 00:05:39.580 I actually indirectly reached out to him. 57 00:05:39.580 --> 00:05:45.120 So when I was running the youth group, one of the, so I was a youth pastor for those 58 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:50.280 that don't know, I was the youth pastor at the road for a couple of years. 59 00:05:50.280 --> 00:05:52.320 And that was right when I got into finance. 60 00:05:52.320 --> 00:05:59.880 And I asked my leaders there who are older adults, just about like, Hey, do you guys 61 00:05:59.880 --> 00:06:02.440 know of anyone looking in the financial industry? 62 00:06:02.440 --> 00:06:07.180 At that point I had decided I wanted to pursue a career in the financial industry. 63 00:06:07.180 --> 00:06:12.220 And so I was kind of looking for someone who would take on someone like me with no experience. 64 00:06:12.220 --> 00:06:18.960 And there was a gal there who is, was very close to Mark's wife, who Mark's wife had 65 00:06:18.960 --> 00:06:24.460 mentioned that Mark was looking for some people and then she got me in touch with Mark 66 00:06:24.460 --> 00:06:26.780 and then that's how we got connected. 67 00:06:26.780 --> 00:06:34.060 So it was totally like just secondhand connection. 68 00:06:34.060 --> 00:06:41.180 If Mark's wife had never mentioned it to Dina, Dina never mentioned it to this particular 69 00:06:41.180 --> 00:06:45.460 leader, I would have never known about the company that I've been with for eight years. 70 00:06:45.460 --> 00:06:46.460 Wow. 71 00:06:46.960 --> 00:06:50.520 So then what was Mark's response when you talked to him? 72 00:06:50.520 --> 00:06:52.560 I think he was nervous. 73 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:53.560 Why that? 74 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:57.160 Well, he, you know, not, not from me, but he was very nervous. 75 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:04.760 I think the idea of, you know, of, of working directly with the pastor's son and he had 76 00:07:04.760 --> 00:07:08.380 been a, you know, a member for many, many years of the church. 77 00:07:08.380 --> 00:07:10.920 And so, you know, he didn't want to screw it up. 78 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:14.880 He didn't want to bring me in and I flop and it looks poorly on him. 79 00:07:14.880 --> 00:07:20.060 So I think he was very concerned and probably a good way that like, Hey, I want to make 80 00:07:20.060 --> 00:07:27.060 sure that if Daniel kind of blows it, that that's not a reflection on Mark to you. 81 00:07:27.060 --> 00:07:32.220 Cause there's a lot of people that, that do blow it in a lot of different ventures. 82 00:07:32.220 --> 00:07:35.740 And so I think that was kind of his, his initial reaction. 83 00:07:35.740 --> 00:07:38.380 So what did he do to start helping you? 84 00:07:38.380 --> 00:07:40.820 Cause you had no experience, zero. 85 00:07:40.820 --> 00:07:44.280 You didn't even take accounting when you were in college. 86 00:07:44.280 --> 00:07:50.740 So only reason I can relate to the fact that you were good with numbers was the fact that 87 00:07:50.740 --> 00:07:58.040 you played baseball cards on the floor and may, and then wrote out all these statistics. 88 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:02.420 So my son still has a box full of baseball cards. 89 00:08:02.420 --> 00:08:03.420 He's really into it. 90 00:08:03.420 --> 00:08:04.420 Guilty. 91 00:08:04.420 --> 00:08:05.420 And he, he relaxes. 92 00:08:05.420 --> 00:08:07.860 Everybody relaxes in different ways. 93 00:08:07.860 --> 00:08:08.860 Right. 94 00:08:09.120 --> 00:08:15.040 Daniel relaxes with looking at statistics of baseball players and kind of thinking through 95 00:08:15.040 --> 00:08:19.240 the, the, the ideal team or something. 96 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:23.200 And he's always said that if he could make enough money, he would love to own a major 97 00:08:23.200 --> 00:08:24.200 league team. 98 00:08:24.200 --> 00:08:25.200 Definitely. 99 00:08:25.200 --> 00:08:27.600 So what did he do to start helping you? 100 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:31.000 Cause you didn't know anything about anything in relation to this. 101 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:32.000 Yeah. 102 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:37.280 So this particular company is really good at training people. 103 00:08:37.280 --> 00:08:38.679 Mark was an excellent trainer. 104 00:08:39.500 --> 00:08:43.220 So he would basically take me through two different types of training. 105 00:08:43.220 --> 00:08:50.900 One was hands-on training, learning the financial services where we'd go out and he would first 106 00:08:50.900 --> 00:08:55.600 show me what to say to people and I'd kind of shadow, and then I do it with him. 107 00:08:55.600 --> 00:09:00.780 And then after that, I do it in front of him until I was so good that he could kind of 108 00:09:00.780 --> 00:09:04.580 check me off on these different types of appointments. 109 00:09:04.580 --> 00:09:09.660 And then the other way is, is he would run classes at his office that would teach different 110 00:09:09.660 --> 00:09:11.180 types of these products. 111 00:09:11.180 --> 00:09:15.120 So it's like financial services, a lot like a foreign language. 112 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:19.820 So if you can immerse yourself in the language, like if you drop yourself in a foreign country, 113 00:09:19.820 --> 00:09:22.560 you know, you can get really good at it. 114 00:09:22.560 --> 00:09:26.620 And the whole reason why, one of the big reasons why I was interested in it is there's such 115 00:09:26.620 --> 00:09:27.620 a need for it. 116 00:09:27.620 --> 00:09:29.860 There's not a lot of people that know how money works. 117 00:09:29.860 --> 00:09:32.620 So, so how old were you at that time? 118 00:09:32.620 --> 00:09:36.980 I was 24 when I first started. 119 00:09:36.980 --> 00:09:37.980 Okay. 120 00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:38.980 Yeah. 121 00:09:38.980 --> 00:09:41.820 So you found that you were pretty successful at it. 122 00:09:41.820 --> 00:09:42.820 Yeah. 123 00:09:42.820 --> 00:09:43.980 What was the key to your success? 124 00:09:43.980 --> 00:09:48.580 The biggest thing was I was very competitive. 125 00:09:48.580 --> 00:09:57.260 And I also really felt like this was something that I could do that took out the frustrations 126 00:09:57.260 --> 00:10:00.020 of my competitive. 127 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:05.360 nature of the past. So like when I was in high school, you know, I didn't grow very fast. You 128 00:10:05.360 --> 00:10:10.480 know how much I was into baseball. I really wanted to be good at sports and I couldn't be because I 129 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:15.760 felt like I was physically impaired. Not like, you know, cause I had some impairment, but I just was 130 00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:21.200 short, a lot shorter. There just wasn't, there's only so much athletic ability you can practice 131 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:25.920 and mold into yourself. And then it kind of comes like, Hey, you're actually not that good. 132 00:10:25.920 --> 00:10:31.040 So when I got into financial services, I was able to take that kind of competitive edge 133 00:10:31.680 --> 00:10:36.800 and go like, Hey, I can be short, tall, fast, slow. Like it doesn't really matter. It's whoever 134 00:10:36.800 --> 00:10:43.520 works the hardest. And so I just found that I outworked a lot of people and I was very aggressive 135 00:10:44.160 --> 00:10:49.840 with the way that I operated. And I'm still that way. I think that's, I think that's one of the, 136 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:56.960 the God-given gifts I have is I'm very aggressive and I'm very I get very, very focused 137 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:04.480 on my routine and my schedule and my, on the way I do stuff. And then I'm constantly trying to get 138 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:11.920 better at my interactions with people. And yeah, I'm just, I think I'm one of those people that 139 00:11:11.920 --> 00:11:17.840 really focuses on trying to grow as a person and, you know, meet people and hang around with people 140 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:24.480 that are ahead of me. So when Daniel and Chandler and the family are over to our house and we might 141 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:32.160 have scheduled it a week before, we always know that Daniel's going to be on a phone call either 142 00:11:32.160 --> 00:11:37.600 right before we eat, or he's going to have the phone call go through the meal for part of it. 143 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:44.560 And then he comes in or he has to leave early to go make a phone call. So you're very regimented. 144 00:11:44.560 --> 00:11:49.280 You keep a very regimented schedule. And you and Chandler have really worked out 145 00:11:49.280 --> 00:11:55.280 a great arrangement with the kids and watching the kids and having the kids there. I mean, 146 00:11:55.280 --> 00:12:02.560 I think back on when Chandler went to New York during COVID to be a nurse. Chandler, his wife, 147 00:12:02.560 --> 00:12:11.120 is a nurse. Both, this is really before she's become so powerful really in her communication 148 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:19.440 in relation to healthcare, that's diet, it's exercise, it's supplements, it's what you eat, 149 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:27.920 all that stuff. They went to New York and she went there to help in kind of ground zero for COVID 150 00:12:27.920 --> 00:12:34.080 in New York City. And then Daniel still had his business to run too. So he, you were Zoom calling, 151 00:12:34.080 --> 00:12:39.040 right? So you were doing Zoom calls, holding a baby, having another one crawl on the floor. I 152 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:43.200 mean, it was just crazy. It was a crazy time for you guys, but you did it and you grew your 153 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:48.880 business. Matter of fact, you were telling me the other day that you think that because of COVID 154 00:12:49.440 --> 00:12:56.640 and seeing the power of the Zoom call concept, it's really enabled you to reach more people 155 00:12:56.640 --> 00:12:58.560 because you're not running all over the city in your car. 156 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:08.000 Well, I think today when it comes to business, you can do things so much quicker than you used to. 157 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:14.000 You know, when you had to, I was just listening to a podcast this morning, like this guy was 158 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:20.400 talking about how he had to use, what is it called? The Rolodex. Like there's Rolodexes people had to 159 00:13:20.400 --> 00:13:25.840 do. Yeah. You had maps, like you had to pull up to figure out where you're going to. And now it's 160 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:31.120 like, it's so much quicker. And I think with business stuff, people can make a lot more 161 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:37.200 money a lot quicker in business because essentially prior to COVID, I would go into an office, 162 00:13:37.920 --> 00:13:44.720 I would sit at my desk, usually in a suit and tie. And then, and then I meet with people and 163 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:48.240 all my clients were about that lived about 20 miles from where I lived. 164 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:48.720 Okay. 165 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:52.160 Now about 70% of our clients are out of state. 166 00:13:52.160 --> 00:13:52.480 Wow. 167 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:58.160 And there's no way that could happen without the technology we have. And it was always there, 168 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:05.440 but no one wanted it because everyone was so under this idea that I drive into job and all this 169 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.920 stuff and most industries have changed now. So that was huge. And one thing I want to hit on, 170 00:14:09.920 --> 00:14:15.680 you were mentioning schedule. Schedule has been hugely important to Chandler and I, because we 171 00:14:15.680 --> 00:14:22.160 have a three and a half year old, we have an 11 month old. And so like, you know, one of the big 172 00:14:22.160 --> 00:14:28.960 things that we've been growing in is this idea of your schedule starts in the evening. And I think 173 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:34.800 it's a biblical example in Genesis, but like, you know, we do our quiet times, we do our times with 174 00:14:34.800 --> 00:14:42.560 God in the evening now. And then, and then I'm up at 4 AM every day and working, getting stuff done, 175 00:14:42.560 --> 00:14:47.360 Chandler and I both get up and then we're working all the way until the evening, but we kind of 176 00:14:47.360 --> 00:14:54.400 have our, our time to be in the evening. We listen to podcasts, have time with God. And then we have 177 00:14:54.400 --> 00:14:59.840 the time of doing in the morning and then throughout the day. So that's been really important. 178 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:03.440 And then I watched the kids at Symes and she's got them and then we're passing them off, 179 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.240 checking them across. 180 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:09.240 It's your turn, my turn, trying to keep everything up to speed. 181 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:15.180 So I guess what I want to know is, do you take an ice bath in the morning? 182 00:15:15.180 --> 00:15:20.640 Because that's really where your testosterone gets impacted the most. 183 00:15:20.640 --> 00:15:22.240 No, I don't. 184 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.360 Are you eating liver? 185 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:25.360 Like raw liver? 186 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:26.360 Oh yeah, raw liver every day. 187 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:27.360 Like liver king? 188 00:15:27.360 --> 00:15:28.360 Oh yeah. 189 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:29.360 You do do that, right? 190 00:15:29.360 --> 00:15:30.360 Yeah. 191 00:15:30.360 --> 00:15:31.360 So you wake up. 192 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:32.360 I was right. 193 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:33.360 Okay. 194 00:15:33.360 --> 00:15:34.360 Take a little shot of that. 195 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:38.200 But you're not doing ice baths in the back with six inches of snow on top of it? 196 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:39.200 No. 197 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:40.200 No. 198 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:41.200 But I'm glad you do. 199 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:43.240 I don't respect you as much as I thought I could. 200 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:44.640 I'm glad you do though. 201 00:15:44.640 --> 00:15:46.280 You know, someone's got to do it. 202 00:15:46.280 --> 00:15:53.680 So let's talk about why you feel like it's important for people to have financial freedom, 203 00:15:53.680 --> 00:15:59.280 for them to have control of, but also growing their wealth. 204 00:16:00.200 --> 00:16:03.760 Anything you do is all about what you focus on. 205 00:16:03.760 --> 00:16:09.560 And with money, there's so many Christians that almost see money as a bad thing. 206 00:16:09.560 --> 00:16:14.160 And so they're going to naturally deflect the blessing that God might want them to have. 207 00:16:14.160 --> 00:16:18.280 I mean, our whole school system's built to make employees and workers. 208 00:16:18.280 --> 00:16:23.120 You have to really get out of the matrix, and it really is a matrix, and get into this 209 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.700 whole different way of living. 210 00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:31.180 And so if you want to make a lot of money, and I think it's a God-given thing for most 211 00:16:31.180 --> 00:16:36.740 people to do that, not everyone, but most people, you've got to have it as a focus for 212 00:16:36.740 --> 00:16:37.740 you. 213 00:16:37.740 --> 00:16:38.740 So I think that's one thing. 214 00:16:38.740 --> 00:16:42.780 But then I think another big thing is, you look at what's going on today, and my set's 215 00:16:42.780 --> 00:16:50.620 going to be off a little bit, but there's $640 million that, I think it was 2019, $640 216 00:16:50.620 --> 00:16:56.940 million was spent by Marvel to make those Marvel movies that year. 217 00:16:56.940 --> 00:17:00.940 The last election, I think it was $2.1 billion spent on campaigns. 218 00:17:00.940 --> 00:17:03.220 I mean, it's an insane amount of money. 219 00:17:03.220 --> 00:17:07.260 And how much of that money was represented by Christians and believers? 220 00:17:07.260 --> 00:17:09.819 Like virtually none. 221 00:17:09.819 --> 00:17:14.460 And then how happy are we with the way our country's turning out? 222 00:17:14.460 --> 00:17:18.060 Pretty unhappy, or I hope you're unhappy. 223 00:17:18.060 --> 00:17:24.339 So the reality is, you can be a complainer, or you can make a change, but you can't do 224 00:17:24.339 --> 00:17:25.339 both. 225 00:17:25.339 --> 00:17:30.020 And so with money-making, it's bigger than just, I want to have a nice car and a nice 226 00:17:30.020 --> 00:17:31.020 house. 227 00:17:31.020 --> 00:17:32.020 I mean, it's got to be about- 228 00:17:32.020 --> 00:17:33.020 Impact. 229 00:17:33.020 --> 00:17:35.660 Impact, making change, cultural reform. 230 00:17:35.660 --> 00:17:40.420 And money, outside of the Holy Spirit, money is the biggest mover and shaker of culture. 231 00:17:40.420 --> 00:17:43.820 And so if you want to change culture, change who has the money. 232 00:17:43.820 --> 00:17:46.420 And so that's, to me, the biggest thing with money. 233 00:17:46.420 --> 00:17:52.580 And so that's why it's got to be a movement of people focused on making money. 234 00:17:52.580 --> 00:17:59.660 How do you make, how do you encourage people in the arena of making as much as they can 235 00:17:59.660 --> 00:18:04.580 and being as successful and effective as they are with money and keep their relationship 236 00:18:04.580 --> 00:18:06.940 with God strong? 237 00:18:06.940 --> 00:18:11.460 Because so many people just get prideful, they get arrogant, especially as they get 238 00:18:11.460 --> 00:18:13.300 more and more wealthy. 239 00:18:13.940 --> 00:18:18.780 The problems we see today are because of money, a lot of them. 240 00:18:18.780 --> 00:18:25.460 So there definitely is that, greed is probably one of our biggest problems as our country. 241 00:18:25.460 --> 00:18:30.260 We used to have 40% of Americans that were farmers in the 1960s. 242 00:18:30.260 --> 00:18:33.900 And now we have, I think, five companies that represent all the food. 243 00:18:33.900 --> 00:18:37.180 So if they want to make a change or they want to make a law on something, they're going 244 00:18:37.180 --> 00:18:38.180 to make it happen. 245 00:18:38.180 --> 00:18:44.620 I think there's reality to people that have money, not doing good things and getting too 246 00:18:44.620 --> 00:18:48.460 focused on just growing their income. 247 00:18:48.460 --> 00:18:53.460 But I think the big thing is, is ethical economics is what I call it. 248 00:18:53.460 --> 00:19:00.100 But my thing is, is I want to do everything I possibly can that's moral, ethical and legal 249 00:19:00.100 --> 00:19:04.540 to get to where I feel like God wants me to be in terms of my finances. 250 00:19:04.940 --> 00:19:09.580 I think when pride comes in, pride is a reflection of a small vision. 251 00:19:09.580 --> 00:19:13.820 Because if you have pride, the problem with pride is you can't grow anymore because you 252 00:19:13.820 --> 00:19:15.660 think you know everything. 253 00:19:15.660 --> 00:19:21.500 But if you're humble, humility is, I'm going to continue to be teachable and coachable, 254 00:19:21.500 --> 00:19:26.340 and that's going to allow me to get to higher and higher levels, even financially. 255 00:19:26.340 --> 00:19:30.120 So a lot of people that are prideful, I feel like are actually hurting themselves more 256 00:19:30.120 --> 00:19:35.720 than anyone else, because it's like they could be called to be a multimillionaire and 257 00:19:35.720 --> 00:19:40.000 they get stuck at a couple hundred thousand of income a year because they're prideful. 258 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:43.540 And I see it all the time in my company, and I've had it at different times too. 259 00:19:43.540 --> 00:19:47.560 But it's like the more humble you can be, the more teachable you can be, which is going 260 00:19:47.560 --> 00:19:49.840 to help you scale everything you're doing. 261 00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:57.280 So let's talk about that, because that's something I note about you and Chandler more than anybody 262 00:19:57.280 --> 00:19:59.920 else in our family. 263 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:07.840 guys are always listening to podcasts. Chandler's always researching stuff. You research stuff 264 00:20:07.840 --> 00:20:12.960 in a different realm, but you're doing that too. You're always turning me on to a book 265 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:17.520 or to a podcast that you're listening to, and they're not necessarily even Christian. 266 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:23.960 I mean, they're different guys that you listen to and different people that Chandler listens 267 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:28.400 to. And you've heard me say so many times that all truth is God's truth, no matter where 268 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:34.160 it comes from. So just because Albert Einstein was not a Christian, we can still believe 269 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:39.600 in the theory of relativity. So that's true in anything though. There's actually kingdom 270 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:48.760 truths coming from secular, non-Christian, even atheistic minds that they've tapped into 271 00:20:48.760 --> 00:20:54.560 the kingdom of God. Not the kingdom of God to salvation, but at least kingdom of God 272 00:20:54.560 --> 00:21:04.080 to a realm of effectiveness that works. So what was it and what is it in you that drives 273 00:21:04.080 --> 00:21:08.120 you forward to continue to want to learn and grow? 274 00:21:08.120 --> 00:21:14.360 That's a good question. I think for me, it's just, I know how much is possible and how 275 00:21:14.360 --> 00:21:19.560 much I see these different people doing. And I think for me, it's like, if you have all 276 00:21:19.560 --> 00:21:25.600 these secular business people or business women that are reaching these heights of success 277 00:21:25.600 --> 00:21:31.980 way more than we are, it's like we have the Holy Spirit. So we should be smoking everyone 278 00:21:31.980 --> 00:21:39.240 in any industry as Christians. And so like, for me, the learning is that that practical 279 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:44.200 wisdom, success leaves clues. There's not a lot of people you'll hear that'll tell you 280 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:48.360 something new after a while. You might hear a little thing here and there, but the reality 281 00:21:48.360 --> 00:21:54.280 is, is like, you know, people that do A, B, and C usually end up being successful. 282 00:21:54.280 --> 00:22:01.200 And the biggest thing is, is with learning is there's experiential learning, and then 283 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:05.120 there's the book learning. Most people do book learning. And so the key is, is how do 284 00:22:05.120 --> 00:22:10.880 you take the book learning and then actually implement it? And so I think you have to, 285 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:15.320 with learning, you have to hear it sometimes five, six, 10, 20 times before you really 286 00:22:15.320 --> 00:22:20.920 get it. And I think too, you relate to different people, whether they're Christian or not, 287 00:22:20.920 --> 00:22:26.520 that remind you of yourself. You are the people you hang out with. So if you're hanging out 288 00:22:26.520 --> 00:22:29.360 with four millionaires, you're probably going to be the fifth. If you're hanging out with 289 00:22:29.360 --> 00:22:34.760 four broke people, you'll probably be the fifth. So it's like when you're reading and 290 00:22:34.760 --> 00:22:38.400 learning and listening to podcasts, it gives you almost the ability to like, hang out with 291 00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.840 these people through their knowledge. 292 00:22:40.840 --> 00:22:47.440 That's good. So yeah, so it's almost like you've got these allies that are in your life. 293 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:51.800 You can actually have a relationship with them. You know, and I love history and I read 294 00:22:51.800 --> 00:22:56.280 a lot of biographies. And I've often said that I've learned some of my best lessons 295 00:22:56.280 --> 00:23:02.520 from dead people. But I've also learned a lot from some good mentors. I've had good 296 00:23:02.520 --> 00:23:07.440 mentors in my life too. There's something right, there's something about someone says, 297 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:15.040 well, you need to have good habits. If you have good habits and you have a day, each 298 00:23:15.040 --> 00:23:20.920 day is planned out well toward the focus of what the vision is that you have, that sounds 299 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:26.280 great. But there's nothing that can replace someone who actually does it, who actually 300 00:23:26.280 --> 00:23:31.760 lives it out each day that you can either hang out with, read about, talk to, have a 301 00:23:31.760 --> 00:23:39.360 relationship with. So who would be say, two or three mentors in the financial area? And 302 00:23:39.360 --> 00:23:39.840 why? 303 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:46.000 Eric Olson, who I work directly with out in San Jose, California. He's taught me a lot 304 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:54.280 of leadership stuff. And he is, you know, he's my coach. So, you know, a coach isn't 305 00:23:54.280 --> 00:23:59.560 someone that you're buddy buddy with. Sometimes it can be that way. But there's a there's 306 00:23:59.560 --> 00:24:06.240 a healthy distance between a good coach and kind of a trainee like me. But he would be my 307 00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:11.680 number one. I think too, you know, there's different guys in business I look up to that 308 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:18.760 I've never met. Ed Milet is a big one. Andy Frisella is a big one. And I'm sure I'll meet 309 00:24:18.760 --> 00:24:25.160 them one day. But those are the people that I would say, on a big scale, I look up to the 310 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:32.000 most in business. And I think, you know, the last one will be Mark. Mark Onstott. You know, 311 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:36.080 Mark, he's always saying, you know, you wasn't the fastest person to it. But his 312 00:24:36.080 --> 00:24:43.040 stick-to-itiveness in the industry was really key. Because, you know, I, he came out here 313 00:24:43.040 --> 00:24:47.800 and established everything with our company. And if he hadn't done that, I never would be 314 00:24:47.800 --> 00:24:50.600 here. So I would say those are kind of my, 315 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:58.280 those are caliber people. I do hear you quote them or reference them a lot. Yeah. Do you feel 316 00:24:58.280 --> 00:24:58.960 like that? 317 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.000 I mean, do you feel like that as the years have gone by, you've been able to keep that 318 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.000 edge and keep growing? 319 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.000 Oh yeah. 320 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:09.000 And I think, uh, I think it's getting more. 321 00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.000 Yeah. 322 00:25:10.000 --> 00:25:11.000 It feels like it. 323 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:12.000 Yeah. 324 00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:13.000 Because- 325 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:19.000 It feels like there's more of an incorporation of the kingdom of God and a vision for, um, 326 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:23.000 like you just, the references you gave about finances and politics. 327 00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:24.000 Yeah. 328 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:28.000 There's no doubt that, that money can influence a lot. 329 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:35.000 Like I was just in a conversation with someone on my way in who is a financial consultant 330 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.000 with top political leaders in Colorado. 331 00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:44.000 She's been, she's had a quite an illustrious career too, been in the last, um, presidential 332 00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:45.000 administration. 333 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:46.000 She was a part of that. 334 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:47.000 Yeah. 335 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:51.000 Anyway, she and I were talking and we were talking about who's got the money for the 336 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.000 mayoral race. 337 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:57.000 So you got this mayoral race, you got a dozen people running for mayor of Colorado Springs. 338 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:03.000 And I've been doing the research on who's got the money because you hate to say it, 339 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.000 but of that, those top four, one of them is going to win. 340 00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:08.000 Yeah. 341 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:09.000 Because they got the money. 342 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.000 Yep. 343 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.000 And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, 344 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:16.000 Yeah. 345 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:20.000 And all these other people, most of them are actually friends of mine. 346 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.000 Yeah. 347 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.000 It's probably not much of a chance. 348 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:23.000 Yeah. 349 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:24.000 If you can't advertise. 350 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:28.000 Well, it's all about, it's all about exposure and money gives you exposure. 351 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:29.000 That's right. 352 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:31.000 So talk about the kingdom of God revolution. 353 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:35.000 So you, you've got it, you caught it. 354 00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.000 What does that mean to you? 355 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.000 And then how is that being expressed through you? 356 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.000 You know, God gave me a vision for the Joseph initiative. 357 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:44.000 So for those that don't know, 358 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:50.000 the Joseph initiative is a initiative that God gave me as a literal vision I got 359 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.000 last year, 360 00:26:52.000 --> 00:27:00.000 and it was all about basically transferring the wealth into believers hands 361 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:01.000 and the non-believers hands, 362 00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:06.000 but people of good moral character that can help transform culture. 363 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:11.000 And one of the best examples is how Joseph transformed culture with the 364 00:27:11.000 --> 00:27:14.000 Egyptians where he took, you know, 365 00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:18.000 God gave him a vision of these bad years of famine coming. 366 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.000 And then literally he planned it out and basically invested the, 367 00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:27.000 the money of the Egyptians for seven good years. 368 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.000 And then the bad years came. 369 00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:33.000 And so when the bad years came, you know, these other groups, 370 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:35.000 these other cultures weren't ready for it. 371 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:38.000 And so they ran out of money, they ran out of food. 372 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.000 And so they ended up coming to the Egyptians. 373 00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:44.000 And then what it ended up saying happened was literally the Egyptians took 374 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.000 basically all the land, the physical land, all the money. 375 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:51.000 People sold themselves as slaves. 376 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:53.000 There was a permanent tax. 377 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:58.000 I think it was 20% tax on the people of like that area forever. 378 00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.000 It was like a permanent thing. 379 00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:01.000 And not that you would want to do that, 380 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:06.000 but think about like the cultural shift of power that occurred at that time. 381 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.000 And I believe like Christians, believers, 382 00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:14.000 good moral people are called to compete in the marketplace and all these 383 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.000 different areas, 384 00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.000 all these things where people are upset about social media platforms. 385 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.000 They're upset about, you know, 386 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:24.000 the entertainment industry and the business industry and all this stuff. 387 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:25.000 It's like, 388 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.000 so that should be God telling you that you should probably get into that 389 00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:31.000 industry and bring reform. And so you've got to be successful. 390 00:28:31.000 --> 00:28:33.000 You can't just pray about it. 391 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:35.000 You've got to actually compete in it. 392 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:40.000 And you've got to be so good at what you do that you're actually beating these 393 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.000 other groups. And so like, you can't go, I'm going to take down, you know, 394 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.000 these big organizations. And then, you know, you're, 395 00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.000 you're pansying around on the way you're doing it. And, 396 00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.000 and then you're praying like, God, why isn't this working? It's like, well, 397 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:54.000 you're not even doing the basics. 398 00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:58.000 All these people that you're complaining about, they've done the basics. 399 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:00.000 They've put in the hours, they've put in all this hard work. 400 00:29:00.000 --> 00:29:04.000 So you're supposed to be, do that. And then God's going to show up. 401 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:06.000 Kind of reaping and sowing, right? 402 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:09.000 All about reaping and sowing. God doesn't, God doesn't. 403 00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:10.000 What about revival, man? 404 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.000 Just kind of falls down and it just kind of hits you and everybody falls down 405 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:18.000 and start speaking in tongues. I mean, I don't, I don't mean to be negative, 406 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:22.000 but there, there is a mentality that comes out of my experience. Okay. 407 00:29:23.000 --> 00:29:28.000 I've been just around so much of a revivalist mentality 408 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:31.000 that isn't putting in the work. 409 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:35.000 It's like God's going to somehow sovereignly just show up one day and, 410 00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.000 and then everything's going to start to happen when the reality is, 411 00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:44.000 is that 99% of anything that happens is because you salt the Lord. 412 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:49.000 You prayed, you made the phone calls, you built the church. I mean, you gotta, 413 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.000 there's a reaping and sowing concept there. 414 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.000 And a big, 415 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:57.000 a big reason why that is is because we've been programmed since kids to think 416 00:29:57.000 --> 00:30:00.000 that way. Yeah. Like, like forgive. 417 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:05.600 at church for a second. And it's like, literally, we are programmed from very 418 00:30:05.600 --> 00:30:12.040 early on, our parents have, have W-2 jobs. You grow up in this school system, 419 00:30:12.040 --> 00:30:15.240 and the whole school system says, go to college, get a degree, you're going to 420 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:20.700 get a great career, a career with benefits. And literally, that's all 421 00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:24.860 they're taught. So, so if you look at control, they have basically zero 422 00:30:24.860 --> 00:30:28.820 control of their future, zero control of their life. And so it's hard for them 423 00:30:28.820 --> 00:30:33.980 to wrap their head around this idea of like, oh, maybe revival is a choice. 424 00:30:34.180 --> 00:30:39.740 Yeah. Maybe revival is me deciding it's time for revival. Yeah. In my own life, 425 00:30:39.740 --> 00:30:43.720 in my family's life and all this. But no, we just wait, we just want God to show 426 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.740 up. And it's like, when in Scripture, does God just show up? I don't think 427 00:30:47.740 --> 00:30:52.100 there's one example of that. I mean, even when, during the Israelites, God 428 00:30:52.100 --> 00:30:56.180 shows up and opens up the Red Sea. I mean, think about leading up to that 429 00:30:56.180 --> 00:31:01.660 they had literally broken out of Egypt, they had left their homes, they had been 430 00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:06.980 traveling for days on end, then God shows up. But what we do is we like that 431 00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:11.340 Scripture and go, see, God, you know, opened up the floodgates and they were 432 00:31:11.340 --> 00:31:14.580 able to walk through the Red Sea. But it's like, there's nothing talked about 433 00:31:14.580 --> 00:31:18.180 leading up to that of all the things that Moses and the Israelites did, you 434 00:31:18.180 --> 00:31:23.100 know, taking of the promised land, all that stuff. So it's like, really revival 435 00:31:23.100 --> 00:31:28.700 is us deciding it's time for revival and us actually doing it. Well, you know, 436 00:31:28.700 --> 00:31:32.740 let's just take parenting. I mean, parenting is hard work. Marriage is hard 437 00:31:32.740 --> 00:31:40.060 work. Yeah. Building a business is hard work. And so the reality is, is that God 438 00:31:40.060 --> 00:31:46.220 gave us this earth, God gave us his kingdom. He gave us the Holy Spirit to 439 00:31:46.220 --> 00:31:52.060 live in our hearts. And then he tells us to have dominion. He tells us to have 440 00:31:52.060 --> 00:31:57.820 dominion over the earth. And he tells us that he will build his church 441 00:31:57.820 --> 00:32:02.820 through his people, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. He talks 442 00:32:02.820 --> 00:32:08.140 about the increase of his government without end. But every example we have in 443 00:32:08.140 --> 00:32:14.460 Scripture is men and women casting their crowns before the Lord, getting humble 444 00:32:14.460 --> 00:32:18.820 before the Lord, and working hard. Yeah. I mean, the book of Acts is about the 445 00:32:18.820 --> 00:32:24.500 church outworking and outpraying the Jews and the Romans of that time, and 446 00:32:24.500 --> 00:32:28.180 suddenly the church is exploding left and right because of their work and 447 00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:35.740 their effort. So you're pretty devoted to helping people become 448 00:32:35.740 --> 00:32:41.100 more disciplined and to understand these kingdom principles. Yeah. How do you do 449 00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:45.900 that? Because I see you on the phone coaching people every day. I mean, every 450 00:32:45.900 --> 00:32:49.500 time you're at our house, there's at least four or five calls. Yeah. It seems 451 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:53.460 like that you've got either a Zoom call with or somebody. And what I hear you 452 00:32:53.460 --> 00:32:58.660 saying is things like, now make the call. You know, this is what you say. And then 453 00:32:58.660 --> 00:33:02.660 if they say this, you say that. So you're literally coaching them through 454 00:33:02.660 --> 00:33:05.540 specifics. Obviously, I have my own business stuff. So I'm training and 455 00:33:05.540 --> 00:33:10.060 developing people there. But I think too, you know, if you look at money, the 456 00:33:10.060 --> 00:33:14.940 biggest way to increase your money is your cash flow. So it's like, if you can 457 00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:18.700 find ways, and I'm a big believer in this, I think everyone should have a 458 00:33:18.700 --> 00:33:22.900 part-time or full-time business, because you can't make the same money you used 459 00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:28.060 to. I mean, economically, statistically, any way you look at it, with inflation, 460 00:33:28.060 --> 00:33:33.980 with technology taking away jobs, people are losing jobs left and right, and 461 00:33:33.980 --> 00:33:37.860 they're getting paid less, and there's more competition to get paid less. And so 462 00:33:37.860 --> 00:33:41.340 I think the biggest thing is, is people need to start businesses. They need to 463 00:33:41.340 --> 00:33:44.620 have a trade. They need to have something that they bring to the 464 00:33:44.620 --> 00:33:51.460 marketplace that's outside of the whole matrix system of this W-2 world that we 465 00:33:51.460 --> 00:33:55.420 all live in. We've got to have people going out there and making this happen. 466 00:33:55.420 --> 00:33:59.500 So I think that's my big passion, whether it's directly in my financial services 467 00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:04.660 industry that I'm training, or just helping people kind of get things off 468 00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:07.740 the ground. There's a lot of people online that'll tell you like, oh, 469 00:34:07.740 --> 00:34:13.260 business is easy. You know, I always joke it's like the 12-year-old in the 470 00:34:13.260 --> 00:34:18.900 Lamborghini telling you he made a million bucks this year, and he's living 471 00:34:18.900 --> 00:34:24.340 with his parents, and he took that Lamborghini for rent to post this thing. 472 00:34:24.340 --> 00:34:28.699 But everyone's asking him for coaching help, right? But he's never built 473 00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:31.940 anything. He's never done anything. He's making money, and you see this a lot. 474 00:34:31.940 --> 00:34:35.340 He's making money out of telling people how to make money, but he's never had a 475 00:34:35.420 --> 00:34:37.900 job. Exactly. He just read a bunch of books and go, oh, here's some good 476 00:34:37.900 --> 00:34:43.179 principles. I mean, isn't that a lot of the motivational speakers, too? It's like they made all their money off being 477 00:34:43.179 --> 00:34:46.900 motivational speakers, but they never actually built anything from the ground 478 00:34:46.900 --> 00:34:50.380 up, except themselves being a motivational speaker. Exactly. Their 479 00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:55.659 business is motivation. Right. That's it. So I think like, you know, that's a big 480 00:34:55.659 --> 00:35:02.380 problem. So for me, outside of that, I want to 481 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:06.240 help create reform? Because I really see, I felt like God told me, this was a few 482 00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:09.840 months ago, that business entrepreneurship is the spearhead to 483 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:14.120 everything. Because if you can, if you can have, you know, that's where the money's 484 00:35:14.120 --> 00:35:19.640 at, right? That's where the, the greatest influence of culture's at. It's, it's 485 00:35:19.640 --> 00:35:23.280 more the, it's more the backside though, because, you know, you see a political 486 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:27.200 leader, they're the front side, they're who you see, and you're voting for them. 487 00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:32.080 But who are all the people that funded them? And then take that a step further, 488 00:35:32.080 --> 00:35:36.240 those people worked their tails off to get to where they were. Whether you agree with 489 00:35:36.240 --> 00:35:41.280 them or not, on maybe the ethics of their business, they worked really, really hard 490 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:45.280 to get them there. And so, if you go back to the very beginning, you're probably 491 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.160 looking at someone who had a normal job, who decided to be an entrepreneur, and 492 00:35:50.160 --> 00:35:54.240 worked its tail off for many years, built up a huge company, and then had all this 493 00:35:54.320 --> 00:36:00.000 money that then they shifted over to that politician. So it, it really comes back to 494 00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.800 competition. Everything's competition. And so it's like, you got, you got him, 495 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:10.400 who's the competition? That person, you know, is there a Christian competing against it? Or is it, 496 00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.520 you know, the Christian neighbor who was given the same business opportunity as that guy and said, 497 00:36:15.520 --> 00:36:21.760 no. And I see that a lot. They say, no, they're focused on, I need to have balance in my life. 498 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:26.080 I need time to pray. I need time to do all this stuff. And yeah, we need to pray. We need to do 499 00:36:26.080 --> 00:36:29.920 all that, but we need people that are willing to pay the price the same way other people paid 500 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:36.480 the price. So no freebies, right? No freebies. Just because you're going to heaven doesn't mean 501 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:43.920 you still, I mean, the, the, the idea of starting with a little and then being faithful with a 502 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:49.840 little is a kingdom principle for all time, for everybody. And then God multiplies that. 503 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:56.320 As he sees faithfulness, he gives you more. Doors open to those who knock. Knock, seek, 504 00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:01.440 ask. That's what Jesus said. So even, I mean, throughout the kingdom revelation of Christ, 505 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.680 he's constantly talking about these kingdom principles that relate to business. So Daniel, 506 00:37:05.680 --> 00:37:13.760 when you look at where we're at right now as a country and what, you know, the last election 507 00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:19.520 was interesting. The one before that was interesting. We had COVID. What do you feel 508 00:37:19.520 --> 00:37:24.400 are some of the answers as we look, as we talk about a kingdom of God revolution, what I mean 509 00:37:24.400 --> 00:37:36.640 by that is that there is a explosion of men and women who are great commandment believers, 510 00:37:36.640 --> 00:37:39.920 loving God with all of their heart, soul, mind, and strength. The neighbor is himself. 511 00:37:40.720 --> 00:37:48.480 Penetrating different arenas, different, different fields of endeavor and bringing the kingdom there, 512 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:56.160 bringing the power and the reign and the rule of Christ into that. So are you hopeful? Are you 513 00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:01.840 depressed? I mean, how, how do you, how do you navigate all these strange things that are 514 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:07.360 happening in our country right now? And you're young. I mean, I've only, I've got a few more 515 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:12.640 years, but you've got your whole life before you. Yeah. No, I mean, I think, I think I'm, 516 00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:19.520 I'm in some ways neutral about it. Like there's some very bad things going on. What I think God's 517 00:38:19.520 --> 00:38:24.960 going to do is he's going to wake up the church. And I think he's already doing this wake up to 518 00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:31.680 the church, to our own greatness and what we're called to do. And we've had, we have a lot of 519 00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:38.080 churches, a lot of pastors that preach a very passive gospel, preach a very safe gospel. You 520 00:38:38.080 --> 00:38:43.280 know, they don't want to offend anyone. You know, I've got people that won't even speak up about, 521 00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:48.720 you know, abortion. They won't speak up about just a lot of different things. And they're, 522 00:38:48.720 --> 00:38:55.280 they're so fear-based, you know, the reality is, is, is they are not the leaders of the church. 523 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.120 They're not, these types of pastors are not the leaders they think they are, but they're not. 524 00:38:59.120 --> 00:39:03.680 The leaders are those that are willing to get out there. You know, the whole idea of ecclesia, 525 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:10.320 you know, that's the, the word that Jesus said, ecclesia, the, the chosen ones, the, those that, 526 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:18.000 these were people that were creating reform. And in Athens is first coined, I think it was 580 BC. 527 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:22.880 These were people that would get together in like a town hall meeting and they create change in 528 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:29.440 their cities and their statehoods. And those are, that's the church. If you are hearing this 529 00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:36.080 whole view of like, you know, the church is over here and then culture's over here, I'd run from 530 00:39:36.080 --> 00:39:41.120 that church. That's the exact opposite of what it should be. We're supposed to be the forefront of 531 00:39:41.120 --> 00:39:46.560 cultural reform and change. To me, it's an evolution. We've never really operated from 532 00:39:46.560 --> 00:39:52.160 that before. Probably since the first century, regardless of how it all came about, there's a 533 00:39:52.160 --> 00:39:58.640 reason why the church ended up becoming the main religion at a certain point in the Roman empire. 534 00:39:58.640 --> 00:39:59.920 And again, I'm not saying that everything 535 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:06.640 was done correctly in that, but naturally the gospel is something that grows. And so if you 536 00:40:06.640 --> 00:40:12.400 let it grow and you unleash it in these different arenas, it'll take over everything. That's why 537 00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:17.200 we're called the salt of the earth. Like how good is it to have a steak and have no salt on it? 538 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:20.480 I mean, that's like insanity. 539 00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:26.160 What if you're eating liver and you put salt on it and you still don't like it? 540 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:30.160 You're probably normal then because liver still tastes like liver. 541 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:37.520 No, but it's true. What you're saying is that if we just even look at the creation account, 542 00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:44.400 if we look at trees, if we look at flowers, if we look at corn, if we look at wheat, 543 00:40:45.120 --> 00:40:53.360 God has naturally built everything to multiply and to multiply exponentially. So why aren't we 544 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:59.440 seeing more churches that have exponential growth, powerful impact? What do you think? 545 00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:06.160 Yeah. I think the enemy knows who his biggest challenge is, which is the church. And so 546 00:41:06.160 --> 00:41:10.480 think about this Chandler and I were talking about this today. If you can pacify the church 547 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:16.080 where you actually make people think it's bad to have money and you actually think it's holier to 548 00:41:16.080 --> 00:41:21.600 not have money. And then you also have this theology that everything's going to hell in a 549 00:41:21.600 --> 00:41:23.920 hand basket and you have no control over what's going to happen in the world. 550 00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:24.960 Like their eschatology. 551 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:29.280 Their eschatology, right? Like think of how powerful those two viewpoints are. You're 552 00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:33.840 going to have zero motivation to make money or be successful and actually be turned off by the idea 553 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:38.240 of it. And then the other part is it's like, what's even the point if everything's going to 554 00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:46.800 hell in a hand basket? So to me, that's why there's these, it's a spiritual issue of passivity. 555 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:52.640 The enemy is trying to pacify his greatest foe. I mean, there's a reason why it says 556 00:41:52.640 --> 00:41:59.920 the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Gates is a, that's a defensive place. That's not 557 00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:05.680 an offensive place. So we are right now the opposite. It's like we're trying to fight off 558 00:42:05.680 --> 00:42:11.600 the enemy, but that's, we're not operating the way we should. Like it's, you know, we're operating 559 00:42:11.600 --> 00:42:16.320 where we should be going into enemy territory and taking it first back, but then also moving 560 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:21.520 into areas that has never been given up by the enemy before. But the only way that that's going 561 00:42:21.520 --> 00:42:26.560 to happen is if people stop being passive and start having this, stop having this viewpoint 562 00:42:26.560 --> 00:42:32.080 that, you know, everything's going to hell. We need to have a full blown takeover of culture. 563 00:42:32.160 --> 00:42:38.800 And the thing is, is if we do that, because again, and this is operating in the Holy Spirit, 564 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.200 we can do that for people and be better for people, whether they're Christian or not. 565 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:48.640 Like if we had a bunch of Christian leaders running different areas of the market and 566 00:42:48.640 --> 00:42:52.800 they're following the Holy Spirit, it's not going to be this type of thing that people throw out. 567 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:56.800 Like, Oh, think about the Crusades and all this stuff. Maybe read about the Crusades. That was 568 00:42:56.800 --> 00:43:03.680 something that was very human based. There was no real God view on that. And so if we actually 569 00:43:03.680 --> 00:43:07.520 are coming from where God's coming from, we're going to be, we're going to be the most ethical 570 00:43:08.560 --> 00:43:11.760 in different areas. We're going to be the ones that are helping other people. We're going to 571 00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:16.880 have the best school systems. We're going to have the best political leaders and it's best for 572 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:20.880 everybody, regardless of their beliefs. That's what I truly believe. 573 00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:26.720 Those kingdom values beginning to penetrate the culture are kingdom values that really do work. 574 00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:36.000 Like Chandler's work, she's discovering that the closer we get to God's way of growing food, 575 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:44.880 God's way of eating the food that God has made without all the preservatives and pesticides, 576 00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:48.720 and the way we rape the land and the way we treat the farmland, then the healthier you are. 577 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:53.920 The food is better for you, the healthier you are. That's like a kingdom principle. 578 00:43:55.200 --> 00:44:00.800 So that affects finances. That affects how you do your business. That affects me as a pastor and 579 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:09.360 how I run my church. So we, we, we, we treat people well. We love them well, but we also 580 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.680 challenge their socks off because we want them to reach their full potential. Well, do you see 581 00:44:13.680 --> 00:44:20.400 yourself kind of in a dualistic role then? There's one part of you that's a visionary 582 00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.480 entrepreneur. I'm going to say, actually, I see three fronts with you. I see one 583 00:44:25.040 --> 00:44:31.040 is the visionary entrepreneurial part of your company. There's another part of you that's a 584 00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:38.880 visionary entrepreneurial side of you that is motivational to others to go for it and to make 585 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:44.320 an impact. And then third, you're actually coaching some people. Are you coaching some 586 00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:50.960 young men and women, you and Chandler, into these areas? Definitely. And how do y'all do that? 587 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:57.280 I mean, I think, you know, we do, we do different ways. Some is practical where, 588 00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.840 you know, I think our big thing with coaching. 589 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:05.520 is those that do more, get more of our time, right? I mean, it's, it's kind of a biblical 590 00:45:05.520 --> 00:45:10.160 principle, right? So you're looking for fruit. Yeah, I'm looking for fruit. And, um, I'm also 591 00:45:10.160 --> 00:45:16.800 looking for drive. If someone's got no drive, I can push them a little bit, but ultimately they've 592 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:22.080 got to decide that for themselves. So I think with coaching, that's a big thing. Um, but I think, 593 00:45:22.080 --> 00:45:29.360 you know, overall the, the mission is the Joseph initiative. It is creating cultural reform 594 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:34.720 through helping people increase their wealth, helping people grow their money, helping people 595 00:45:34.720 --> 00:45:41.120 invest smartly. And, um, you know, my company is a part of that, that vision and, um, you know, 596 00:45:41.120 --> 00:45:46.480 stuff I I'll do at the church. It's, it's part of that vision, but it all comes into that focus. 597 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:51.600 Cause for so long, I thought I was going to build a big business up in finance and then move into a 598 00:45:51.600 --> 00:45:58.400 nonprofit world type work. Cause I love ministry and now it's all synergized together, which is, 599 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:05.360 yeah, it's, it's all under the same banner of the Joseph initiative, making cultural reform, 600 00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:12.000 making impact, um, through money. So that goes into entrepreneurship that goes into investing 601 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:18.400 that goes into, um, coaching and all this stuff. But, you know, wealth is very closely tied to 602 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:24.720 health. Um, because again, as humans were, were meant to be wealthy. I truly believe that like 603 00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:29.280 we're, and that's in every area, we're not meant to have bad relationships. We're not meant to 604 00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:34.320 struggle financially. We're not meant to, you know, be under the thumb of someone else. Like 605 00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:39.360 we're called to create and grow. Like you're saying multiply. Well, that's pretty radical 606 00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:46.320 because it seems like America ever since the industrial revolution has been built largely on 607 00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:56.000 making workers obey employers, become employees of employers, workers for masters, kind of an 608 00:46:56.000 --> 00:47:04.800 indentured servitude sort of system. So you're really trying to come against that and call out 609 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.240 the greatness in the individual. Even, um, when you had the Knights and the Lords 610 00:47:11.040 --> 00:47:16.560 ruling over the people and we give you protection, it's always about protection and benefits. 611 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:22.480 And the reality is, but all of it's about safety. Safety is one of the biggest problems. Everyone 612 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:26.960 wants safety. Everyone wants, you know, predictability. And it's like, that's not, 613 00:47:27.600 --> 00:47:32.080 that's not actually how we come alive. That's not actually what we're called to be as humans. 614 00:47:32.080 --> 00:47:38.320 We're called to be creators. We're called to be innovators and we're called to, um, we're called 615 00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:46.000 to work. And so, you know, the, uh, Andy Frisella has this great quote. He says, um, personal 616 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:51.360 excellence is the ultimate rebellion. And, you know, everyone, everything in our culture today 617 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:57.680 is focused on making you fat, lazy, um, not driven, all this stuff, you know, I mean, 618 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.080 porn's out, you know, people are just looking at tons of porn. It's like, well, what's your 619 00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:07.520 motivation to find like a good wife? If you're just looking at porn, right? Like everything's 620 00:48:07.520 --> 00:48:12.960 built to pacify you because if they can pacify you, they can feed the message that you have no 621 00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:17.680 control. Right. But as soon as you start to go, Oh, actually I do have control. And I start 622 00:48:17.680 --> 00:48:26.240 operating in that space. Then their hold on you disappears. Wow. I love that. It's so it's, 623 00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:31.200 it's a message we've got to get out and we've got to encourage people that there's this, 624 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:36.960 the Holy Spirit within the King. I mean, there's like a King in everybody. There's, 625 00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:42.720 there's a priest and King in each one of us. And, um, and a King is one who fought for his 626 00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:48.720 territory. He was one who was, you know, we were just, uh, we were just having a devotional 627 00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:56.400 with the staff team here at the road, um, a couple of days ago. And we camped on Psalm 144, 628 00:48:57.120 --> 00:49:03.680 one and two, where David writes, Lord, you, you've, you've trained, you train my hands for war. 629 00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:11.040 You, you train my fingers for battle. And then the rest of the Psalm is just one 630 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:18.640 kind of battle theme after another. And then at the very end, the last verse there is happy is 631 00:49:18.640 --> 00:49:25.040 the man who is in such a state. So happiness actually comes through battle, fighting for 632 00:49:25.040 --> 00:49:30.400 stuff. And, you know, when you talk to men who've literally been in battle, they will just tell you 633 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:35.760 that how meaningful it was to be on that battalion or to be in that unit. And what they did was 634 00:49:35.760 --> 00:49:42.000 significant because that called out, at least in men, especially that masculine heart for war. 635 00:49:42.720 --> 00:49:49.040 And, um, and yet we're always praying for peace, but war is what really makes us who we are having 636 00:49:49.040 --> 00:49:54.400 to fight and battle for everything that we have. Well, thank you, Daniel. Yeah. Thanks for being 637 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:59.760 here. Yeah. Thanks for having me on. And I love you and I appreciate you and I love Chandler and. 638 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:08.000 The little ones too, and Harvest and Cohen, and what a joy to see you grow into the man that you are. 639 00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:15.000 And even some of the hard things that you had to go through as a kid that made your forehead like flint. 640 00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:21.000 So you could, you're not a quitter, you know, you're a fighter for sure. 641 00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:22.000 Yeah. 642 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.000 Well, let me pray for my son. Is that okay? 643 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.000 Yeah. 644 00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:30.000 Well, father, I want to just thank you for Daniel and Chandler and Cohen and Harvest. 645 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:33.000 I want to thank you for their company. I want to thank you for their vision. 646 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:35.000 I want to thank you for their stick-to-itiveness. 647 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:43.000 I want to thank you for the vision that you've birthed in Daniel and Chandler to bring health, 648 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:50.000 to bring financial integrity, to bring success and effectiveness into people's lives, 649 00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:55.000 and to bring a kingdom of God revolution here in America and wherever you send them. 650 00:50:55.000 --> 00:51:00.000 And I just thank you for the impact they're having in Colorado Springs, the impact they're having across our country. 651 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:05.000 I pray it would increase. Lord, I just pray increase upon them. 652 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:13.000 I pray, Lord, for them to have greater wisdom, foresight, vision, and knowledge than they've ever had. 653 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:22.000 And Lord, I pray that as they navigate being a young family, and in this case, a young entrepreneur, 654 00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:27.000 and Chandler's the same way, that they would just do it together. 655 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:31.000 I pray they'd be a great team. Lord, strengthen them as a team. 656 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:37.000 And as they seek the kingdom first, Lord, use them to be one of those kingdom revolutionaries 657 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:45.000 that is bringing the kingdom of God with such anointing and power, humility, and love 658 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:50.000 that the gates of hell are falling down before them because they're pushing into territory 659 00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:54.000 and taking back the darkness and the light is shining through them. 660 00:51:54.000 --> 00:52:00.000 So give them boldness, continued boldness. In your name we pray. Amen. 661 00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:07.000 Love you, son. Well, thanks for being a part of the Empower You podcast. 662 00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:13.000 Look across our website at all the different programs and shows that we're developing. 663 00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:20.000 Our vision, again, let me just say it is empowering you, you know, in the arena that God's called you 664 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.000 to be a difference maker, to make an impact there. 665 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:31.000 There's been this idea really since medieval times that the real, you know, Christians are the pastors 666 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:36.000 or the missionaries or something, and we want to break that mold and say, no, 667 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:41.000 you're called to bring the mission of Christ wherever you are and however God has wired you, 668 00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:45.000 you make a difference there. So I hope this has been helpful to you. 669 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:47.000 God bless you. Thanks for joining us today.