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Welcome back, Kingdom Messenger family.
Bruce and Lindsay here with our newest,
maybe youngest, Kingdom Messenger in the group,
Miss Hannah Lee.
Say, hey, Hannah.
So we are so excited about this bonus session
that we're going to be airing tonight.
This was an interview that I did with Graham,
and I wanted to get into Graham's head
because Graham is someone, like I mentioned before,
who's mentored me in becoming a Kingdom Messenger,
specifically a Kingdom Messenger online,
and Graham doesn't tell me what to think
but how to think about being a Kingdom Messenger,
and so I really appreciate how he talks about
the mindset of a Kingdom Messenger,
which is what this interview is all about.
We're here live.
We're going to be in the comments with you
as this airs, sharing our takeaways.
I would love to hear from you guys in the comments
as well as you listen.
What's resonating?
What is the Lord showing you
as we listen to this interview together?
And we're going to be back at the end of the interview
to share some key takeaways that we think
will be really helpful as you're diving into
the activation of clarifying your message
and defining your audience.
So let's dive into this interview.
Well, Graham, thank you so much for joining us today.
Today we are talking to a group of Kingdom Messengers.
These are people who are passionate about
leveraging the digital landscape
to disciple nations in Kingdom Truth,
and I'm so excited to have you
because you have mentored me in Kingdom Truth for years,
but also you are someone who has pioneered
being a Kingdom Messenger online,
and you have a lot of longevity in that.
So I am looking forward to gleaning from your wisdom today
and hearing about developing a mindset
as a Kingdom Messenger.
So I'm going to go ahead and just dive in.
I think we should start with talking about
crafting that Kingdom message.
What are some key focuses that you kind of keep in mind
when you are crafting a Kingdom message?
Right.
I think the number one thing for me,
there was this brilliant person who once said,
I only do what the Father is doing.
I only say what the Father is saying.
And my meat and my drink is to do the will of him who sent me.
And what he's saying is,
his focus is always mine.
And I think that's the thing you have to find,
is what is the focus of God for your life
and therefore your ministry?
I've been around, I'm in my fifth decade.
Fifth, oh my gosh.
Forty-eight years I've been in this gig.
And I've seen a lot of people in ministry
who think about what people may want to hear.
Or nowadays they talk about, well, what's trending?
And I think Jesus doesn't trend.
He's not bothered about being trendy.
I teach the classic Jesus,
what God is always like all the time.
And so the classic God is always trending.
Once you step away from that,
then you're into a place where you probably
will stop receiving wisdom and revelation at that point.
Because it's always about the nature of God.
So people think about what's trending.
Well, like today, everyone's speaking to people's fear or anxiety,
how not to be fearful, how not to be anxious,
how to get rid of anger, how not to be stressed.
And those things are OK.
But it's not it.
It's not about presence.
It's not about who God is.
It's about how you can avoid that,
how you can avoid this.
I look at a lot of the training sites,
and they're all trending on negativity right now,
how to avoid that, how to be this, or whatever.
The key thing that I'd love your group to get hold of is,
the key question is,
What are you called to do?
There's nothing wrong with any of that stuff, but there's a heck of a lot of things missing
out of it.
So the source for your training cannot just be about catering for needs at the moment.
It's about curating a lifestyle where people get above things and stay above, because when
people can get above stress, they become a totally different person in the world.
And that's our coaching aim, is to get you out of this, into this place, because this
is where you really start to do business.
So what are you called to do?
What's God calling?
What's his purpose for your life?
What's your calling?
What's your mission?
So for me personally, my mission is, I am called to fight religion, to fight legalism,
and to fight against the flesh.
And I do that by talking always about what God is like, about what life in the spirit
is like, about what life in the kingdom is like.
So my mission then is the development of the body of Christ, to really produce the household
of God, and the body of Christ in a given location.
So I'm always, I'm talking about the army of God, because at some point, the call to
fight is on every single one of us.
You don't avoid this fight.
You know, we're locked into this war between the kingdom of light and the kingdom of darkness.
So you're going to have to fight.
How you fight is really important.
So I'm called, the most appalling thing for me in church world is the lack of unity and
the lack of oneness.
You know, all these denominations, networks, call them what you will, but they're all separate
silos where we're doing our own thing, but no one's paying attention to, you know, unity
and oneness in the city.
Where if we are, we're doing it based around events, rather than based around a shared
lifestyle that works its way onto the street, you know, where people live.
And another part of my call is I want to represent the nature of God, because whenever I talk
to anybody on a plane, in a coffee place, whatever, Christian or pre-Christian, you
know, and I start talking about God, they go, okay, this is my question, what is God
really like?
I mean, you sound like you know him.
What is he really, really like?
And I think that should be the number one question that we answer before even people
ask the question.
This is what God is like, you know?
So like the challenge we did today, all of it was about this is what God is like.
He's not going to do that.
He does this.
This is what he's like.
He never changes, you know?
So if you want to know what my calling is, go on BTV, get onto your browser and look
through everything.
See the body of work that I've done, and you'll see the purpose all the time.
Over five decades, the purpose hasn't changed.
This is who I am.
This is what I do.
You know, I'm always about the kingdom, always about the nature of God, always about
identity and who you really are, and I care about that.
I care about people's identity.
I really care about it, you know, probably more than most people, but people do.
You know, I want you to live in the fullness of who Jesus is.
So I'm excited.
I'm still as excited now as I was when I started, you know, almost decades ago.
So Graham, how do you partner with the three, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, in delivering your
messages and your prophetic words?
When you start to know your calling, then the different levels of your calling will
become apparent.
If you're a coach, then you're going to be an explorer.
You're going to be exploring areas of life, focus, and so on.
And so you're actually going to be an explorer yourself, and you're going to open people
up to being explorers.
And if you're an explorer, then you're going to be a pioneer.
A pioneer is the first one to do something.
So in the prophetic, I'm a pioneer.
I was the first person in British church history
to do a school of prophecy.
Because everyone said, you can't teach people how to prophesy.
And so when I started it, I mean, talk about attack.
And now everyone wants to do it.
I was the first to stand up and say, come to this class.
I'm going to teach you how to be prophetic.
I'm going to teach you how to prophesy.
I'm going to teach you how to be prophetic.
And man alive, just the pushback from leaders
and so on in particular was huge.
And then they came along and then started realizing,
oh, he's doing more than just teaching about the prophetic.
He's teaching people how God is with them.
So when you're an explorer, you can become a pioneer.
But if you marry those two things together,
you will be a game changer.
And honestly, that's the point, is
you change the game for people who come to you.
And they know what they're going to get.
You're going to open territory because you're an explorer.
You're going to be a pioneer because they will hear
something from you they've never heard before.
And you're going to change their game.
You're going to up their game just by the way in which you
talk, by the way in which you do your own research,
by the way in which you put together your sessions.
A lot of ministries, they impart information.
They don't impart life.
And so part of what you're doing,
that trinity of exploring, pioneering, and game changing
is always about the impartation of life.
So people who listen to you will fall in love with learning.
Then they'll fall in love with teaching.
And then they'll be so excited, it will radiate out of you.
And so that's when you pass.
In your ministry, you pass from doing into being.
And then it's like you and the Lord together.
And everyone sees it.
They hear it.
And they see it.
And really that's what we're aiming at.
For me, my goal has never changed.
I want to set people free.
Everything is about freedom.
I want to equip them to be lovers of God.
I want them to grow up in all things in Jesus.
And I'm still bound to that in love, in unity,
in oneness with God.
Because it's his passion.
So your calling is where God's passion is going
to pour through you to other people.
So Graham, everyone has perhaps a different process
when they're crafting a message for this.
But I just want to hear from you.
What are some ways that you receive kingdom revelation
for these messages that you craft and then communicate?
Yeah.
I think you have to like, creativity really
is about accessing the imagination of God
in terms of how he sees things.
When God says, I know the plans I have for you,
not for your calamity, for your welfare,
to give you a purpose and a hope, a future and a hope.
So that tells you that he's seeing your lifestyle with him
in a very particular way.
So when I'm imagining, when I'm thinking about a message,
I don't just sit down and think, oh,
it would be good to talk about that.
I'm asking the Lord, what do you want to talk about next?
Because what the Lord is doing and what
we're doing as coaches is we're taking people on a journey.
One of our first key series on BTV
was story and journey, because everybody has one.
Everybody has a story, and everybody's on a journey.
The two major things that we're coaching into,
how can we change your story and change you in the process?
And how do we change your journey
so that you're not operating at this level,
but maybe you're operating from this level?
So I imagine it's like when Moses was taking a rabble
of slaves from Egypt towards Canaan,
he's changing their story from being slaves
to hopefully being a disciplined army that can take territory.
But he's reintroducing them to who God is along the way.
And so that whole story and journey of Israel, I have read.
through that and thought about that,
and talk to the Lord about it, I don't know, hundreds of times.
Story and journey.
What was it like for you?
And even just knowing how God knew
he was going to take them through the wilderness,
because he was going to introduce them to what he
can do when you have nothing.
When you're in an inhospitable place and nothing grows,
there's no water, there's no place
to feed over a million people.
So God takes you into the wilderness
when he's happy with you.
And he opens up everything.
But he takes you into a place, he
allows you to go into a place where nothing's
working for you, which is why we coach.
People come to us because nothing's working.
And then he teaches them, this is who
I am when you've got nothing.
This is who I am regardless of your circumstances.
And you look at the planning beforehand, how he,
even before Moses hits Egypt, God is in the wilderness.
And he's taking out every natural predator
in that whole area so that wildlife can flourish.
Because he's got to feed a million people.
So he thinks about things like that.
And he finds and he creates an underground stream
and sticks a rock on top of it so he
knows exactly where it is.
Because he's got to feed them, they've got to have water.
He thinks about all those things.
And so when I'm thinking about a message,
I'm thinking about what is it you want them to end with.
So I start with the end.
What is it I want to achieve through this message?
And so I want to look at what are the keys.
So I start with what's the end result?
What do I want to walk away with?
What are they walking away with?
And then I work backwards, tracing the journey back
to here, where they're stuck.
Because I know what the outcome is.
Now when I walk back, I'm looking
at all the potential fault areas,
bugbears, problems.
And I create keys for every problem.
And next to every key, there's always a promise.
And that's when I bring in something prophetic.
Not always prophesying, but always telling people
what their future is going to be in a teaching context.
This is why God is doing this.
So I take the journey out there.
What's the terrain look like?
What is the outcome?
And then I trace it back to here.
And I look at all the things I need
to talk about on this journey.
And then I go out again, just to check it out.
And sometimes when I've gone out a second time,
I see something, how I can make the outcome even stronger.
I guess the key thing is, who and what
do you want to influence through your coaching?
So you're an influencer.
And I know that amongst the millennial community,
being an influencer is a really big thing.
And it wasn't that word, that language, that thinking
wasn't even present when I started out in ministry.
It was like, well, just give the best talk you can.
And then I realized that I got to a point of dissatisfaction.
The Lord said, I haven't called you
to give the best talk you can.
I've called you to give the best talk I can.
OK, Graham, so last question.
And I saved this for last, because this, I think,
is a huge barrier for people who feel called to be a kingdom
messenger, yet are concerned or afraid about putting themselves
out there, especially online, because you kind of open
yourself up to critical comments,
sometimes hateful comments.
And I know you've received a lot of hateful and critical
comments throughout the years.
How do you disempower discouragement
when you receive those critical comments,
whether it's on social media or in response
to some of your messages?
Yeah.
I think, first of all, the best way
to disempower discouragement is to practice
being encouraged all the time.
I mean, live in a place of, don't visit encouragement.
Live there.
Always be encouraged.
Every day, find something to be encouraged about.
So become an optimist, really.
Expectation, anticipation, they're
all parts of encouragement.
You're focused.
You're looking for.
God, you know, I'm encouraged. And then the best way to disempower disappointment
is to be gracious and to forgive people, but also to forgive yourself, you know,
when you when you mess something up, when you miss something. Just be quick to
forgive yourself, because God is quick to forgive you. There's no like, well, you
know, you have to do penance for like three hours. Go and stand in the corner
or something. There's none of that with God. A lot of those things are
instantaneous, because he's just going, let's get that out of the room right now.
Okay, now we can do this. He's not going to waste time on disappointment ever, you
know. He just says, you know, it's not like he's saying get over it. He's saying
grace is there to empower you. Grace is my empowering presence, because grace
tells you how I see you. So think about what I say. So I'm really, you know,
curious about that, you know, how God thinks about me all the time. And God
knows, as I said, God doesn't get disillusioned with us, because he never
had any illusions in the first place. He knows everything about us,
and he loves us. So that's huge. He remembers that we're dust, you know.
And the thing I love about God is he's not an idealist. He's a realist with a
strong sense of mercy, goodness, and kindness. You know, he knows who
we are, and he knows how to be with us. He's a genius at it. So for me, I take the
viewpoint to answer your question, everything is useful. But here's the
thing is, how are you going to grow in kindness if you don't have negatives all
around you? How does the fruit of kindness grow?
It grows in the soil of a situation where someone's just said something
really unkind and cutting to you. And your answer is to respond with kindness.
That's it. You know, you don't ever defend yourself. You just say
something kind back. So I began to practice that. People came up to me and
says, you know, your stuff is like really simplistic. You know, it's this, it's that,
it's the other. And I would just look at them and say, you know, these are
three things that God likes about you. He likes this, he likes this, he likes this.
And I think he, like, those are the areas in your life where you're going to
connect with him the most. I might say the same thing to 3,000 people, because a
lot of things are always going to be true. So it's not like it's going to be
prophetic or anything. It's just true. It's the truth that sets everyone free.
This is how God sees you. And so I would just say something really kind or
generous back. And then they're looking at you thinking, oh, shoot, or words to
that effect. You know, what? And they feel awkward, but I don't want them to feel
awkward. But in that moment, they're just realizing something, you know. So, you
know, with all the hate mail I got, that's what I always did. I just sent
something in the opposite spirit. Because that's the thing, that is something that
is rarely trained in to people these days, how to move in the opposite spirit.
You know, and I think the fruit of the spirit for me, they're all opportunities
to engage with people and to practice. So when you get negative things being said
to you, you get to practice the fruit of the spirit. How is that not good? It's
like extra practice, you know.
Well, there is a lot to chew on from that interview. I know, I feel like we
covered a lot of ground in a short amount of time. It was so much fun to
just be watching this interview with you guys, interacting in the comments, sharing
our takeaways, sharing what was resonating with us as we listen to Graham
share on, just taking on the mindset of a Kingdom Messenger. If you're wondering
where Bruce and Hannah are, Hannah did not make it through the interview. She is
down to sleep. That's why I'm back here flying solo. But before we go for the
evening, or for some of you it's afternoon or morning, depending on
where you're watching in the world, I just wanted to make sure we didn't miss
this big highlight that Graham shared that I think is going to be super
helpful as you're
Diving into the activation from today of clarifying your message and defining your audience.
But also I think it's going to be really helpful that you keep at the forefront as you continue
on with this workshop, especially as we start to create content for our kingdom channels.
And that is Graham talked about partnering with the imagination of God, taking on God's
imagination.
You know, this is such good news.
The Bible says that we have been given the mind of Christ.
That means we can see things the way Jesus sees things.
We can think about things the way that Jesus thinks about things.
So we can partner with God's imagination, his limitless imagination.
And God is a big thinker.
So we don't have to be stuck.
We don't have to feel limited.
And as we're creating content and inviting people in to cultivate kingdom lifestyles
based around the breakthroughs that we've had in our own lives, whether it's physical
healing or peace or revelation of our identity, revelation of health and wellness, building
kingdom families, all of those things, we can do so with the mind of Christ.
We can, we can partner with the imagination of God.
So let's think big this week.
Let's throw off limited, limited thinking.
And let's remember who we're partnering with in this father, son, and Holy Spirit.
We have got a rockstar team partnering with us in advancing the kingdom here on earth.
So we're not alone.
We don't have to stay stuck and we don't have to be overwhelmed by anything but the goodness
of God.
I hope you guys enjoyed that interview.
We will be back tomorrow live with Hannah Brencher Sheets at 2 p.m. Eastern.
And just like yesterday, we can watch on zoom or live on Facebook and the replays will be
available if you can't make it live.
Guys, we will see you tomorrow.