know about the past five days, just because different circumstances and events have tied up my life,
but I've been trying to figure out on how to step into different parts of this all,
with all the training is just so much for me. It's like, oh, I'm getting confused,
but I'll just contact support, you know, definitely, definitely.
Oh, that's good. Well, they're an awesome team in there.
Where are you? Like a background radio or something going on there?
Oh, can you put in headphones?
Sorry, I didn't realize.
Oh, good.
Sweet. How you doing?
I'm fine, thank you.
That's great. That's great. What's been happening?
I've been very busy translating a PDF.
Oh, wow. That will keep you busy.
I'm almost done. Just a few more pages.
Amazing. Oh, very well done. Very well done. It took a long time to write it.
Well, it's a challenge, especially the poem. It's a challenge.
Oh, yeah. The poem will be impossible. You'll never be able to get the poem.
You can translate it, but the thing with poetry is it's very difficult to translate a rhyme,
isn't it? Yeah, but I'm not one to give up.
Good. Good stuff.
So I got through it. Yeah, it was amazing because I just asked, when I read a new part of it,
every time I read a new part, I thought this is not going to work. This is impossible.
And then I started just praying and listening and thinking and I got through it. Yes, I did it.
Well done. Well done. Well done. Oh, that's a great effort. And Elise, how are you doing?
My mouse don't have batteries in. No, it's fine. I felt very overwhelmed this morning.
I worked hard on my template yesterday and this morning I was just like kind of stuck,
literally stuck in my pajamas and in my bedroom at my window.
And yeah, because I'm facing a few giants that, you know, you think you overcame until you really
try to tread there. But I just read your post on your other near-death experience and I was like,
oh my goodness, wow. So that really spoke to me.
I've had plenty of those near-death experiences. So that one and the car one and I'm actually
going to post two other ones as well. I'm going to put two other ones up that were all from the
same year. Sure. Benji, Benji, that's crazy. I thought that, like I told you about my experience
with the city bus and everything and the whole injury. Dude, you got me topped like crazy.
I feel like, man, this is crazy. You're a warrior, man.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I just have had a bunch of near-death experiences.
And yeah, you got it. Yeah, you got it.
Hey, well, team, we're just a small crew for today, but let's pray and we'll get our chat on
and it feels awesome to be connecting with you guys.
So yeah, Esther, why don't you pray? Why don't we get the ladies to pray for us
to kick it off and we'll just see what happens.
Father in heaven, I just want to thank you for being here with us.
We know that you are here.
We know that you are in us and around us.
And you are so wonderful.
Thank you for this journey.
Thank you for teaching us.
Thank you for helping us mature and step into the destiny
that you have for us, Father.
And I just want to bring this conversation
that we're going to have before your throne
and submit to whatever you have planned.
In Jesus' name.
Dear Lord, thank you so much for just how you bring us
together, how you've planned all the details,
how you've orchestrated our lives to bring us
to this point.
Lord, we don't want to miss it.
We want to step into that, that you've brought us here for,
to step into, to step up, to put off, to put on.
Everything, Lord, and yeah, I can just speak for myself.
I give you permission.
I give you permission, Lord.
And thank you for Benji.
Thank you for his heart.
Thank you for his, yeah, just his passion and his obedience.
It's blessing us all.
And I pray for power, Lord.
I pray for power for him to continue to run, to hear you,
and that we all would receive that you have for us,
but that we will also impart to each other.
Just give us boldness and courage, Lord,
to run with what you've given us.
In Jesus' name.
Wow.
Oh, wow.
Abba, Yeshua, Holy Spirit, we love you.
We love you.
We thank you for your tangible glory that's right here,
right now.
We thank you for the wonder of the atmosphere of heaven,
the atmosphere of your presence, the atmosphere that
flows from your face, the atmosphere that
flows from your nearness.
We thank you.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
And nothing compares in this life or the next.
Nothing compares to you.
You are our exceedingly great reward.
You are the pearl of great price.
You are beyond explanation in your goodness and your wonder.
There's nothing we've ever tasted
that is more perfect or satisfying or desirable
than you.
You are.
You are the satisfaction of the deepest longings of our being,
and we love everything about you.
I thank you for oneness of you.
I thank you for seamless union.
I thank you that in you we live and move and have our be.
And I thank you for opening our eyes like never before
to the reality of our oneness in you.
Wow.
And I thank you that you are our motivation.
And I thank you that as we chat about motivation,
that you will lead and guide and inspire and stir up
our hearts in your beautiful name.
Wow.
Such a beautiful atmosphere of the presence of God
all around me right now.
Oh, love it so much.
Something that has just popped into my mind
now is that I didn't know about you guys,
but I grew up in a religious church setting.
And it probably took me, I don't know, over 20 years.
I was over 20 years old before I even
realized you could experience the presence of God,
that it was an actual thing.
And before that, moments where I had experienced
the presence of God in hindsight, like looking back,
I recognized like, oh, that was the presence of God.
back then, but most of, you know, that first 20 something years of my life,
I had no idea that the presence of God was something that you could experience.
And now it's the highlight of my existence.
And I'm so grateful as well.
And so there's been two big changes for us.
Share this with you about intimacy with God.
There's been two big changes with me.
One is discovering the presence of God,
that the presence of God is a.
Is it a reality that you can have yet that you can have?
You know, that's that's Jeremiah 31, 31.
They will all know me from the least of them to the greatest.
Jeremiah 31 through to 31.
This is one of the three diversity tree that they will all know me
from the least of them to the greatest, which is the word Noah's,
the Hebrew with that, which means intimate experiential knowledge to see,
to hear, to touch, to taste, to smell the greatest.
That's the greatest word for intimacy that there is possible.
You know, when they use the word in Genesis, Adam,
yet that Eve and, you know, she bore a son.
So it's the greatest expression of intimacy possible.
And Jeremiah prophesied that everyone would get that
from the everyone would have the greatest experience of intimacy
possible from the least to the greatest.
And so the first big shift for me was discovering that that was even a possibility
in that God wasn't just a distant being that you prayed to in the clouds,
but that you could have a tangible experience
with the reality of supernatural presence right here, right now.
So that was a big first big mind shift for me.
And then the second big minds, my mindset shift for me was realizing that.
It didn't have to be just every now and then,
it wasn't like a treat that you got if you were being good.
It wasn't something that was performance based.
It wasn't something that you had to strive for.
But it's actually a present reality.
It's. It's more real.
Your intimacy is more real than disconnection.
Separation is an illusion.
So it's so when we have when we experience
Yadah, when we experience that tangible presence and that union
and that oneness and that intimacy with God,
those are the moments that we actually walk in reality.
The moments when we're not walking in the experiential knowledge of God
are the moments when we're walking in an illusion.
So the second big mindset shift was for me that it's a state of being.
It's a 24 seven reality.
And that intimacy is not that.
But, you know, we know James wrote about draw near to God.
And he will draw near to you.
You guys know that verse, right?
Well, that's talking about
that's not talking about proximity, it's talking about awareness.
But James, James for a he says, draw near to God and God will draw near to you.
It's not about it's not talking about distance as though when we draw near to
God, we're actually closing the distance.
It's about consciousness.
It's about being aware of God.
It's not about consciousness.
It's about waking up to the present reality of our oneness.
It's not about trying to create oneness.
It's about waking up to the present reality that in him we live and move and have our be.
And when you wake up, when you become conscious of your oneness.
Then everything changes.
And so I just felt like sharing that with you,
because today has been such a beautiful day of intimacy for me.
And the presence is so thick and so strong.
And, you know, for me, if we're going to talk about motivation.
You know, that is that is the greatest source of motivation comes from.
Well, comes from oneness with him.
So just open mic now, really, for you guys to chat about chat about motivation.
We have our session.
Friday, New Zealand time.
Now we have our first session on Wednesday, chatting about the eight pillars of motivation.
And you guys have had the motivator template.
So open mic for you guys just to chat and see what's on your heart.
And I'd just like to.
Say that.
You just said, I've gone through that same process coming from a religious background
and when I discovered oneness with God, even though I don't always experience that yet,
but it was like being born again again.
Come on.
That's just, and I always say I was born again because I've never been without Jesus.
But that just, when that opened up, it was like, wow, so the gospel is really good news.
Like it suddenly dawned on me that God actually means what he says when he says it.
And there's so much that has opened up from his words since then,
that I'm realizing that he's serious about when he says it.
That's just awesome.
And when it comes to motivation, I think there is no bigger motivation than that.
Just the major desire to see his kingdom manifest on earth as it is in heaven.
That's, for me, that's the core of everything I desire and there's lots of things that I can
pinpoint as desires, but nothing is above that.
That's just, everything boils down to that core thing.
So I don't even care which of my desires comes first, as long as that's just whatever, however,
whatever you want me to do, even if you want me to be on Facebook, I'll go on Facebook.
Yeah, come on.
Amazing.
And that's just, that's it.
That's it.
And that has been my desire all my life.
But when I discovered oneness and how marvelous the gospel really is,
that just blew up the desire inside me to have everything.
It's like, I just don't want, I mean, Jesus died for this.
And I don't want just one drop of his blood to go to waste because I didn't step in.
So that's just, that's my motivation.
And I have my dreams, I have no clue how to get there, and things open up and I'm,
you can't be serious about this, but once I get past the emotion and the fear and whatever,
and the chaos, every time it comes down to, okay, do you want to go or are you staying here?
But I can't stay here.
I have to go.
Well, yeah.
The choice has been made.
I mean, I can't go back.
So I have to go.
Yeah, I hear you.
Yeah, that's a big, that's a big deal.
Donna, welcome.
Good to have Donna jumping in here.
I mean, that's huge.
And thank you so much for sharing that core driver.
That's so beautiful.
Love, love hearing that.
And we've all got, we've all got, we've all got, we've all got, we've all got,
we've all got, when it comes to motivators, your core drivers are the things that will motivate you.
So I grew up in a town that hosts the V8 supercars and V8 supercar racing, and you've got
best people in the world coming to our town all around the world to race V8 supercars.
But I never went because I just don't care.
You know, there's no, there's no motivation for me there because I don't care about V8 supercars.
But other people, they're just like, oh my gosh, going down to the track.
And I'm like, meh.
it never even crossed my mind because there's just no level of, there's no desire there
for that and so there's no there's no core driver inside me but you know I would spend hours and
hours in prayer because there was a different core driver you know so there's people like
or you know other people like so excited to go racing and I would way rather go and pray
it was a no that's like a no-brainer decision for me like racing or prayer man come on I'm off
I'm off into my secret place so welcome Michelle and welcome Donna good to see you guys
so we're um we're just chatting about motivation and it's open mic time now for you guys to just
chat so if you've got something to share then you can go can I go um I that very much the same kind
of background and when I had my first I had four four back ups and the first one was very dramatic
it was a nine hour op and I didn't I gave up before I actually were in it um and
I actually asked God for another wife for my husband which was ridiculous um who I thought
would be a good mom to my children I was really giving up but in that moment Jesus came
very close to me close close close he was standing next to my bed
and I attended a lecture a lecture before about his I I just realized that in my intense pain
his back was really hurting when he was on the cross I mean there was my pain was not uh
uh yeah he really understood what what I was going through and in that moment it was just like
yeah it's a long story anyway I don't want to go into the story but
I wasn't a respirator and that kind of stuff so I didn't feel as if I can breathe and as he stood
next to me I felt that oxygen was just washing over me and he reminded me a lot about that
intimacy I experienced in that moment because I didn't even know that he was that involved in my
life um and and that he cared so much that he was like no you're going nowhere I'm turning this
around um and and he's really challenging me that he feels the same way about me all the time and
he also feels the same way about everybody I want to minister to so I'm not I'm not
praying in vain and that thing that um Esther said that you know I I experience his presence
I'm actually reading Boss John's I'm hosting the presence at the moment but I don't experience it
all the time and it's it's as if my mind still that too good to be true thing um and as I did
the motivation yesterday the why it really hit me that this is this changes everything
if I can keep that why in mind all the time it changes everything um
yeah so yes
that's beautiful beautiful
Donna how are you doing good to see you there I'm doing wonderful thank you
that's great what's happening for you what's happening well I've been enjoying a wonderful day
a wonderful day um my husband and I took an early morning walk together and um we're just
we're just enjoying each other I'm newly married and um after God rescued me from
years and years and years of stuff so um everything is good and getting better um
were you talking about motivation yeah that's what we're talking about but actually I just
felt like God highlighting you and it would be cool just to um talk about you just hear your
heart and hear your journey and just hear about you I just feel this beautiful spotlight on you
right now so I'd just love to hear some of your story okay well some of my story um
started a long long long long time ago um
when I couldn't have children, but God.
And then God blessed me with five biological children
and two adopted birth sisters.
And children and family are near and dear to my heart.
My parents were good role models
to keep the family together.
And my parents are now with the Lord.
And I really feel that I'm to be a legacy leaver.
Legacy in so many ways, but kingdom legacy, family.
Looking at the word of God,
God had to break me out of so many walls and in boxes.
I was in a box myself.
I had God in a box.
I had Raelyn and the church.
And God's just through raising royalty
and through meeting everybody online
and just listening, he just like went,
and all walls just, they came down and excitement now.
And I'm just, I enjoy life.
I love living life as a little child.
The simplest things like a butterfly flying by
or the blue sky just make me happy.
So, yeah.
Oh wow, that's beautiful.
Um, so, can I ask you some questions?
How are you feeling?
You feeling kind of like an open book right now
and adventurous?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm good.
You strike me as a real open book.
So we're talking about motivation.
And so I think that motivation and disappointment
can kind of sometimes go hand in hand
because the things that disappoint us the most
are often because they're the things
that we desire the most.
So could I just get you to share with me either,
that either, you know, like one of your,
I know you've kind of shared it there
in terms of kingdom legacy,
but can you just go more into, you know,
what the greatest desires are for you
or a greatest disappointment?
We're cool just to hear along those lines.
Just go a little bit deeper.
Well, I remember when God taught me a big lesson
about disappointment and it's human nature
to look forward to something,
to get our expectations up.
And then, yeah, it's not so nice
when we see them getting crashed down.
But I remember learning a lesson
not to put my expectation in other people.
I can have expectations as I go through life
on various things, like I want to be a legacy leaver
while my expectations are that my finances
are going to soar.
So, but my expectations of that
are riding on the word of God
and what God says about it.
I don't wanna put my expectations in people or things
I've learned too many hard lessons.
So I'm easy to motivate.
I am a extremely positive person and I love adventure.
So I'm motivated to do a lot of things,
but I have to be very, very, very, very, very careful
that I don't go to the left, to the right,
that I'm motivated for what God has for me.
I don't wanna be straight away on tangents
that will get me nowhere.
I need to keep, is it a lot,
Elise was saying that intimacy,
I have to keep that intimacy going with the Lord.
And I'm just motivated to see all that he has for me.
I want to definitely live my destiny in full.
I don't wanna be missing parts of it.
I have to do what God has designed me to do
from before the beginning of the world.
Beautiful, love that.
Oh, welcome Lorraine.
Good to see you.
It's just open mic time now,
just having people share about their motivations.
And so that's been beautiful.
And Jonathan, why don't you share with us,
something, what's going on for you
in this whole space of motivation?
We can't, I don't think we can hear you mate, you haven't unmuted.
There you are, can you hear me now?
Yeah, perfect.
Okay, good to go.
So, this is also exciting because the School of Sonship, the Identity Versus Everyday,
everything is just so fruitful in the life and the prayer with our team and then just
the devotion brother.
I'm so rich, but I've been trying to pursue God for so many years after my story, you
know, with my injury and all my miracles and all the cool things all the time to just,
because I live to taste and see because if I'm not worshiping God, I'm empty.
Well, in that whole deal though, I've been wanting all these things to come forward for
so many years through businesses and goals and triumphs and successes and whatever else
to, but then God, when I found, because I met Zania years ago through a mutual friend
online and then she connected me with you and then I went for a short time, but I was
not in the right place to pursue it all the way and then God said, no.
Well then, you know, a few months ago, God came back to me and said, not God came back
to me, I'm sorry, this came across my eyes again and the word goes, Jonathan, this is
your time.
Go run hard.
And it's a lot to learn, but it's, it's a blessing indeed, for sure.
And I'm so excited to see that now all the, as, as our sister here was saying, which everyone
was speaking before this at all the side attractions, you know, trying to stop turning your head
left and right, left and right, you know, all the time to just stay focused.
It's such a, such a main goal to stay focused upon because in this all, we're just all going
to be fruitful to each other and just rejoice together.
And this, the, the power of my life now though, that I feel with the achievements so far of
just praying for everyone and then also with each other too, man, we're just one big happy
family brother.
It's so cool.
It's so cool because I, I mean, I've worked with international students here at Milwaukee
university for almost 10 years.
And then I also know people are on the world as we all do, but I mean, I know at my age,
you know, being in 33, I mean, I know people in probably over 35 countries and people see
me and talk to me all the time.
And I'm like, how do you know so many people like talk to him, you know, he's the one that
makes my connections, but it's so cool to now see that now, now that I've been able
to work in so many ways with these things, the guy's going to blossom my, my agenda and,
you know, just help me to move forward and to find success and balance in order of his
function because I want to serve God all around the world with all that he does in me.
So just, um, uh, did you have, let me ask, did you have a primary goal that's coming
up right now that you're going to put through the template, through the motivator?
Um, yes.
Um, this is where I have my memory.
Cause I don't remember what it is right now.
I'm just trying to think that I, yeah, I'm not, I don't recall exactly what I was trying
to do.
Yeah.
That's all right.
Let's just see.
Is there anyone that's done the motivator template yet, or that's started, started working
through it?
I know Elisa's started.
Anyone else had a, like got the template out and had a, um, had a look through?
Not yet?
That's all right.
Um, Lorraine, tell me how you're doing anyway.
It's good to see you.
Oh, good to see you too.
Oh, we're doing good.
Um, I was thinking about it this morning, I looked through the motivator and if I had
to identify, um, the biggest thing for me, I thought, you know, it doesn't matter really
what I choose, but everything else pales compared to knowing God.
Because without that, everything else seems to be not worth pursuing if he's not there.
So I haven't put it through the motivator yet, but I did decide which was my biggest
goal and what was worth dying for because everything else is really, it's great, but
it's not really worth dying for if I don't have him.
So that was sort of the deciding line for me.
And, um, yeah, we had our, we had.
it. None of you are in Canada, right?
We've got the Netherlands. We've got yeah, we've got the UK, New
Zealand. Donna, we're about to you.
I'm on the west coast of Florida.
West Florida. And Jonathan, where are you?
I'm in Illinois, two hours south of Chicago.
Okay, so we're pretty spread out today. And then we hit, we've got
Michelle, and I think Michelle is in the UK as well.
We, we had a wonderful night last night of declarations. And
it was really, it was really neat to see prayer that, you
know, we were sort of almost praying from a different realm
because if we, how do I put this? If we're just praying, you
know, for things God has already given us, then he's like, well,
I've already given you that. So instead of praying for those
things, we were declaring them in, you know, declaring them
because we know that God has given us all those things
already. So we had, we had a wonderful, wonderful time
yesterday of declaring things. And yeah, so little, well, I
guess I won't say that.
What would you say?
Oh, I was, well, it's just very encouraging to see people
hungry for the Lord and hungry for his presence. And really
appreciate this group and appreciate all the, all the
information and all the, the really the support in pursuing
God. Yeah. So and the encouragement to do so because
you can kind of get stuck right in, in just with all the
distractions.
Yeah. Have you guys seen any of Dana's worship sets?
No.
Dana is in Canada. And she, so if you, in the Masterclass group,
so the other one with, you know, the 14,000 odd people in there,
in that group, the Masterclass group, if you click there,
there's a room called, there's a guide called the burn room. And
we put the, when there's worship sets and prayer sets, we put
them into the burn room. Man, I've just, I mean, there's some,
there's a great worship set there from Tyler and several
really good ones from Dana. I've just been putting those on in
the morning and getting undone. It's so glorious. It's wildly
like, just so good. Yeah, you're gonna, yeah, you'll, you'll love
those. You know, it's just a great, it's, you know, it's not
a teaching thing. So it's a great thing just to put on when
you're having fun with the Lord. It's so good. She's such an
amazing worship leader. Yeah, it's beautiful. And, you know, I
love hearing that, Lorraine, and I quote that, you know, I've
seen, it's really stood out to me last week or so, it's like a
Wigglesworth quote. And he said, you know, if you truly,
paraphrase, but it's basically this, if you truly fill with the
Holy Spirit, you'll achieve more in one year than you would in
50 years of your own striving, 50 years of your own effort. And
it's like, oh, yeah, totally. Because things just go into,
things just go into warp drive when he's doing stuff. And so
our next, our next template that we're going to do next week is
the, the strategic planner. Right. And, Donna, were you
gonna say something? No? Okay, I think you might be muted.
Is it the one with the dreams? The strategic planner?
No, that's another, that's another one. So kind of where
we're at in the process now is, the first three weeks are kind
of general, they're kind of generalized. So the, yeah, the
first one's the dream activator, where we start, you know, really
dreaming into all of our things. And then we do the, you know,
we're processing failure, and then we're stewarding success.
And this week is the motivator. And it's at this point that
things start getting, you know, streamlined into actually
choosing one dream as your main dream that you want to focus on.
Because the way that these templates are designed is that they're designed, the last four especially,
are designed to help you take one particular dream and really bring it to life.
So, with the motivator, you take one particular dream and you put it in there and it's so exciting what happens to a dream when you put it through the motivator.
Just the level of focus and the level of like, oh my gosh, I want this so much!
Just asking yourself, what will the world miss out on?
And, you know, who's counting on you? Who depends on you for you to get your breakthrough?
It's a big question. Who's actually depending on you?
You know, for you to actually walk in your destiny?
I think this is such a huge thing and it's so serious and it's such a big deal, but I think it's so often neglected.
You know, we don't like to ask painful questions and we don't like to embrace painful realities,
but the reality is that the dreams that God placed in you are there for other people.
And if we don't steward the dreams that he places in us, it's actually, to be honest, I would suggest that if we don't walk in our destiny, multitudes of people miss out.
If you imagine the power of, you know, like what Smith Wigglesworth is saying, of a life completely surrendered to the Holy Spirit,
there's no way that that life can't be a fire that lights up the world.
It's impossible. It's impossible for a person who's walking in their identity.
It's impossible for a person who's walking in intimacy.
It's impossible for a person who's walking in their calling not to set the world on fire.
You know, if God's heart for every single one of us is Ephesians 3.20, which is to do exceedingly abundantly above and beyond all that we've ever did to ask, dream, pray, think, or even dare to imagine.
If that's his heart for all of us and we're walking in that, it is impossible for that type of life not to impact multitudes of people.
So when we ask ourselves, who's counting on us to actually walk in our calling?
Now it's just multitudes of people, you know, and how much does it mean to those people whether we walk in our destiny or not?
Life or death? Knowing him or not knowing him? Being oppressed versus being set free?
The implications and the consequences and the scale and the opportunity attached to our destiny, our calling, it's, you know, it's totally parallel to Ephesians 3.20, which is the potential and the opportunity and the risk and the reward and the consequences
and who's exceedingly abundantly above and beyond to dare to ask, dream, pray, or even imagine, which is a pretty big deal.
So I think sometimes we don't, we avoid the hard questions or no one's having the conversation.
I actually find that most of the time, just no one's having the conversation and no one's having this conversation.
Everyone's busy doing stuff, but not having these type of conversations.
And I find it, you know, I find that it's actually a real tragedy.
People are so busy doing stuff that the main thing isn't the main thing.
Yeah, so Lorraine, let's jump back to you because you were kind of part way. I'm just, I'm loving your, I'm loving your dream there just around being about the presence.
So just go more on that.
I was just typing a note, I actually really resonated with that. Who, who, who misses out if we don't walk in our destiny.
We were talking last night and, you know, the people that we go out to the grocery store, if we have the presence of the Lord, if we have the light shining in us, the light displaces the darkness.
Everywhere we walk, we displace the darkness.
Our neighbors, anyone we meet, our colleagues, we displace the darkness.
We are, we are light.
And His life is in us, and there is no darkness in there.
And just the destiny that we have in Christ is, is so amazing. It's so beyond what we can hope or expect.
And, I mean, the healing, praying for others.
Setting the captives free, all of those things are just part of every one of us who live
in Christ.
It's part of every one of our destinies.
I mean, even, you know, there's, he's put desires and dreams in each one of us just
for the calling and basically the area that we go into, but not only, you know, working
in the world and being a part of the world, but, and being a part of the body, we all
have different giftings, but every one of us can be responsible to explain why the
light is in us, you know, to give a reason for the hope of our calling.
I'm really overcome with that.
Wow.
Yeah, that's massive.
Oh, wow.
Um, my, my kids, uh, uh, my son nicknamed the, nicknamed me, the chaplain captain, captain.
That's right.
That's beautiful.
Cause quite often I end up praying with my colleagues and just ministering to them, the
word of God.
And, you know, it just comes kind of organically just with the stress of, of, um, just the,
the, you know, the airline industry and the people that are, you know, losing their jobs
and, and just, um, having a whole world change and just, and so quite often when I go to
work, I need to be ready to pray for whomever I come in contact with because they're very
stressed out.
Wow.
So that was one of my dreams to, to be nicknamed, to live up to that nickname.
I love it.
That's a great nickname.
That's so cool.
Hey guys, let me tell you, um, let me tell you all a story.
Who's heard of John Leonard Dover?
No.
Okay.
Well, uh, seven, imagine with me, you guys are good at imagining, right?
Yeah.
Got a good imagination.
Okay.
So imagine with me at 1732, 1732.
So we're talking nearly 300 years ago.
Not quite, but nearly, nearly 300 years ago, 289 years ago.
So 289 years ago, imagine with me that we're standing on a dock and there's a big sailboat
that is about to leave.
And I want you to imagine that you're a little kid.
Okay.
You're a little kid there with your mom.
You're standing there on the docks and your dad's there too, but you're saying goodbye
to your dad.
And it's not a relationship breakup or anything like that, but you're saying goodbye to your
dad and you don't know if he will ever come back because he's about to get on a ship.
The, the crazy thing about him getting on the ship is that he's sold himself into slavery.
Your dad, your own dad has sold himself into slavery.
Okay.
So this is what happened with a guy named John Leonard Dover in 1732 and his friend,
David Nitschman, might be saying that slightly wrong, but David and John both sold themselves
into slavery and the money, we'll talk about money later, but they sold themselves into
slavery, not for money, you know, that you don't, you don't sell yourself into slavery
for getting money.
They sold themselves into slavery because it was the only way that they could get passage
on a ship to the West Indies to reach the tens of thousands of slaves in the West Indies.
So John Leonard Dover and David Nitschman were the.
first missionaries of the Moravian mission movement.
So a lot of people have heard of the Moravian prayer movement,
but they had a missions movement as well.
So out of the prayer movement,
God put such a desire in them that they were called to reach
those that are in slavery in the West Indies.
They could just hear the cries of these people,
the tens of thousands that didn't have the gospel.
And so they went there.
The only way they could get there, because they couldn't,
you couldn't go there as a missionary, wasn't an option.
And the only way they could go there is to sell themselves into slavery
and actually go as slaves.
So when they got there, because they were white and, you know, educated,
they got the option of staying, you know, having a
having a better deal than the regular slave.
But they actually said, no, we don't want to stay in the house.
We'll actually stay out with the slaves.
Because their mission was to reach the slaves.
And so there they are standing on the dock, though, with their, you know,
you're the little girl and you're
crying out to your dad not to go.
And your wife's in tears.
And you're heartbroken.
But you know that God has called you to go.
He's asked something of you enormous.
He's asked something enormous of you, of your life,
that you would actually make a horrendous sacrifice
of your life to go with the gospel to a place that your wife and your kids can't go.
And so David and John said, yes.
The money that was made from the selling themselves into slavery,
they actually gave to start the Moravian Mission Fund.
And they went there and.
Now, this is a huge cost that they've there's a huge price that they paid,
a huge sacrifice that they made.
And I suggest that, you know, fire always falls on sacrifice.
And so they made this huge sacrifice,
but years went by as they were over there.
But as the years went by, God began to move.
And they saw an outpouring of the spirit.
And over 30,000 slaves gave their lives to Jesus.
And you think of the legacy of a move of God like that,
where over 30,000 people give their lives to Jesus.
And if we talk about core motivators.
For those two guys and John Leonard Dover said something on the ship
as he was parting, what he shouted back to his family was,
may the lamb receive the lamb.
And he said, may the lamb receive the lamb.
And he shouted back to his family was may the lamb
receive the reward for his suffering.
May the lamb receive the reward for his suffering.
And this is this huge
sacrifice, huge obedience,
a horrific calling.
You know, it's just a terrible situation.
It's like Abraham and Isaac on the mountain.
In a sense, but it's just a place of horrific
sacrifice where God asks you of something enormous of you.
And so he says.
John and David said, yes.
And. But
they saw a move of God.
But the interesting thing for those guys is the core motivator is that they were.
Now, they it's not like they took that decision lightly,
and it's not that they didn't want to be fathers and husbands.
But their focus and their core motivator was on eternity.
And the value was obedience and surrender.
And they said, look, you know, we have to say yes to this call.
We love everyone here.
We love you guys with everything that's in us.
But we just have to say yes to this calling.
And so they said yes, they saw a move of God and beautifully.
I mean, I think John was over there for about 28 years.
And but he ended up he actually was that he actually did return years later.
I don't know if he came and went at all, but he did move back to
to.
Germany to where the Moravian base was eventually and he eventually died back at home. But the
just talking about motivators, what are our motivators? Where does eternity fit in the
picture? Are we, you know, talking about motivators and thinking about Smith Wigglesworth that
you can do, you can accomplish more in one year if you're radically filled with the Holy Spirit
than you could accomplish in 50 years of your own efforts. So yeah, there's a couple of, just a
couple of thoughts to chuck out there to you and it's a story that I thought was really powerful
around the concept of motivation. So yeah, open mic team, anyone who wants to jump in and say anything?
Remember I was just talking about how family is near and dear to me, that kind of
sacrifice is way beyond, I don't know, it's huge, it's so huge that I can't grasp that.
But that is total dedication and obedience to know, to know that he knew he was called there
in order and to leave his family is humongous. Yeah, big motivator though, how many came to
know the Lord? And also just another point on that, because here's the thing, sometimes you
just don't understand when God calls you to something and sometimes it doesn't make sense.
But the other dynamic, apart from the fact that they
reach tens of thousands of people, the other dynamic is actually what happened as a result
of their obedience, of what that story sparked in the hearts of believers all over the world.
It actually birthed the missions movement and the legacy of that one act of surrender
is now a legacy that I would suggest in terms of all the people reached to this day that would trace
their spiritual lineage back to that dock in 1732, of all the people that were reached, because
the testimony of that has been doing, you know, in your heart what it's done to the hearts of
believers for centuries, which has birthed missions movements over and over again. And so
I would suggest that at bare minimum you've now got, because of the obedience of those two men,
millions, more likely tens of millions of people who trace their
spiritual lineage of knowing Jesus back to that dock in 1732.
But I hear you as well, the concept of leaving your family, even for six months, you know,
who wants to do that? Even in our nice cushy missions scenario that we have now,
who wants to leave their family two months? Probably a lot.
Yeah, I've left my adult children in South Africa and if it wasn't for the peace that both
of us had to come here, and that carried me through, because both of them really battled.
It was hard. My son was newly married and it was tough for both of them. And I never stepped into
once, the enemy said to me, you left your children. And I was like, I didn't. I didn't.
Because I didn't. We just came in obedience. But to leave your little boy, I can't imagine it.
It's beyond my...
Yeah.
And, you know, in those days as well, countless missionaries died just on the way. You know,
people just died on the boat. You had no idea whether someone was going to live or die.
It's not like they're going to get there and then jump on a Zoom and
chat with them back in the UK or, you know, back in Germany. That's not going to happen.
It's just a world of total unknown. Whether it was a world of total unknown,
it's just a world of total unknown. Whether it was a week or a lifetime, you would still
have no certainty of survival. The amount of missionaries that died was just horrendous.
Yeah. So that's a big, big thing there. And I guess in that story, it's like, what do you call
us and for me that story challenges me so much because my core driver is family,
you know that's what I live for, multi-generational is what I live for every day,
you know it's the pouring love into these kids and if I'm not with them then what I'm doing is
to create a legacy for them, so everything revolves around them,
you know everything revolves around, I don't know if there's anything that I do that doesn't in some
way have a benefit to my kids, my life revolves around that, my life revolves around family,
so the concept of leaving and I guess it's a big question for us as well as in terms of
motivation is eternity, where has eternity slotted itself into our value system
and where has the value of eternity for others slotted itself into our value system,
you know for those guys the concept of you know of whole people groups not knowing the gospel,
their value for eternity and their value for the gospel
and their value for obedience, it was
it put them in a really dynamic place, we've got these mutual values where we love our families
so much but this word of the gospel it hasn't reached these entire nations, these entire
people groups that will never hear if someone doesn't go and you know and if not us then who,
so there's a question for us as well around motivation is that if you don't fulfill your calling who will,
if not you then who, if not now then when, if not here then where.
I think it's also about your mindset being,
you tend to think about your own surroundings and your own time and your own town and your own country
and that's just not God's perspective,
and that's maybe it's crazy but one of the things that Zoom has helped me do in the past year
connected to a lot of people from a lot of countries and that broadened my horizon to the
fact that the kingdom isn't Dutch and of course that's it's stupid I always knew that the kingdom
wasn't Dutch, would be a really small kingdom but knowing this and actually looking at it from above
and seeing it a broader spectrum and not just our time but times to come, you just need to take time
to come to the realization of these things before you can actually do something about it.
I never even realized that I was thinking really small until I started looking over the garden wall
and then it sort of hit me that there was actually more than my own front yard,
so that's just, I think it's all part of renewing your mind and having the mind of Christ
and I'm just, well I'm taking baby steps getting there.
Beautiful, that's great. Hey Kerry, welcome. Good morning.
Good to see you and you're probably arriving just in time for us to wrap up.
Yeah, we're just about to wrap up but it's been a really beautiful
session with everyone but unless anyone's got some kind of, any kind of final words that you
want to drop in after that then I think we'll wrap up there but that's been really powerful,
deep stuff this morning.
I have a friend who has been called to Kuwait and she's been teaching over there for a number
of years and sometimes her husband can join her and sometimes he can't for a few months
of the year and so most of the church does not understand why you know they don't understand
it but if you've been called then it's a big sacrifice and they have Zoom and Skype and
all of that but I can't even imagine not even knowing if the person is alive or dead but
God I mean Jesus did talk about who is your family and sometimes Francis Chan has said
sometimes we make an idol out of our kids and because I I mean there's no place I'd
rather be than just hanging out with my family just hanging out with my kids and sometimes
God calls us to other people he calls us to you know I think below the age of 18 yeah
they're our responsibility and even even more than that I mean obviously I love my kids and
I'll be there for them the rest of their lives but if God calls me somewhere else then
it's a good it's it it's thought-provoking to to see people who've actually given up that
close connection my my aunt and uncle actually went to missionaries went as missionaries to China
in there after they had retired and gave up connection with their grandkids and their kids
and for years and years back when we didn't have this kind of communication so it's a big sacrifice
yeah and I think that something that that this is like a double-edged sword right there's a
tension between this is that he doesn't call everyone the same and so you can never compare
because if you're called for something you'll have grace for it as well
and if you're not called for it you won't have grace for it so without the grace it'll be very
difficult to understand grace is a very real very tangible thing and grace enables you to do what
you once thought was impossible so even if you right now think that you know one particular
aspect of the call of God is impossible for you if the grace of God comes on you for that
particular task then it won't seem impossible anymore you know it might but it might seem
mostly impossible but there'll still be that like I know I've got the calling and there's a grace
there to actually step into it but doesn't doesn't make it easy it just makes it possible
um actually trying to remember his name another missionary from China inland mission
started China inland mission Hudson Taylor he said um he said you know regarding the call of
God it is usually impossible and then it is difficult and then it is done
impossible difficult done that's what he that's how he kind of worded it because
you know one of the very first missionaries to the you know to inland China
um but again another person who would have been inspired by John Leonard Dover and David Nietzschman
and now you look at China and the result of that gospel in mainland China
sorry can I can I share something quickly yeah my husband was born in Zimbabwe
and he gave his heart when a missionary from Japan came to Rhodesia he was four years old
and when they got home he said to his mom he wants to give his you know um he wants to surrender
and she has to pray with him and she was like but you have already and and he was like no I haven't
and uh yeah he remembers it clearly and he was he was four he was three or four
yeah and then yeah it was just yeah
cool all right family well thank you so much hey um
Kerry, wonderful to have you. Sorry you just got the tail end for today, but how about you
pray with us and why don't we just get Donna and Kerry and Lorraine to pray
to wrap it up for us. Be wonderful. Kerry, how about you start and always good to see you.
Thanks. Oh Lord, thank you for the day and thank you for the friendships that we are forming.
I just come to you in just with a heart of love and praise and just thank you for everything that
you're doing in everybody's life. Make grace available and strength available to us all
just as we unite and grow strongly in you and bring in your kingdom on earth. Thank you.
You go for it, Donna.
Thank you, magnificent Abba Father.
You are wowing us with your glory, with your presence, Holy Spirit teaching us, guiding us.
We are learning so much and it is amazing to have brothers and sisters in Christ all over the world.
I love it. I thank you for what you did here today, what was said here today. I know I am
taking nuggets away. I just bless what you're doing. I bless everybody here and all their
loved ones. I thank you Lord that each one of us by your grace alone are going to live
out and walk our destinies. I thank you in Jesus name. Amen.
Thank you, Abba.
Abba Father, thank you so much, Father, for giving us opportunity to worship together,
to seek you together, to learn. Father, we just stay in your presence, Lord. Give us opportunity,
give us divine appointments to share your light, to share the hope that is within us.
Father, thank you that you have blessed us beyond what we can even hope or expect.
Thank you for giving us every gift that is and everything that is yes and amen in Jesus Christ.
Thank you for opening the door for us, for making all things possible, for removing the barriers,
Father. Thank you that we have this open invitation from you to come into your presence.
We just follow in that. Thank you. I just pray that we would be more and more surrendered to you
every day and walk in our destiny. I just declare our destinies over us in Jesus name. Amen.
Beautiful. Thanks, guys. You guys are amazing. Love you very much.
And well done on just tracking. I'll drop the times for next week in here as well.
So it'll probably be, I think we'll probably try and do afternoons next week, just try and rotate
it a little bit. So it'll probably be afternoons New Zealand time next week. So probably about
two or three in the afternoon New Zealand time. That's probably what we'll go for,
probably about two o'clock. So watch that. I'll put posts up. That's roughly what we'll be
tracking for as we kind of rotate. And then we'll do two weeks and then we're going to have a break
because I'm going to be in the mountains for two weeks hunting stags.
I'm going to struggle to get internet. So that's going to be really...
Hopefully, one of the things that I want to make sure that I'm doing as well is
actually modeling living my dreams. I don't want it to be all theory. So I'll come back
with some cool pics for you guys of being out in the mountains. And I'm going to share a story
in the Masterclass group today as well. I'm going to go live at 12. So it's about an hour
and a half. I'm just going to talk a little bit about my dad and losing my dad. So that's kind
of the theme. So I'm going to talk to you about that. And then if you're around, it won't be
a really long one, but love you guys heaps. And we'll see you when we see you. Bye.
Love you guys. Bye-bye.