Well, boom, boom, boom.
I think we're good.
I think we're on.
Sunship Masterclass Session 10.
Hope you guys have been enjoying all of the other sessions, all of the other classes.
It's so awesome.
What an honor it is for me to be part of this group and to be rolling with gangsters, to
be rolling with these amazing spiritual gangsters.
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What's up, Doug?
So good to see you, man.
Hope you're well.
Hope things are well.
So today I'm just quickly talking about the subject of being like our Papa, of being like
our father.
And last week we talked about the orphan who stayed home, how we have so much access to
things that we don't really realize, and how for years we have celebrated the prodigal
son coming home and have made that the pinnacle and have made that the be all and the end
all is that I once was lost and now I'm found.
And that's kind of the end where I talked about how I know so many people that have
been part of church and grew up around church and knew all the things of God, but we put
a cap on his actual plans for us.
And so you can check out that session from last week.
And I'm just recapping a little bit.
And the week before we talked about who do I say I am and how important it is for me
to own the identity that Papa has given me, the identity that God has given you, how important
it is for us to own that identity.
And it's not enough just to know that he feels a certain way about you or he feels a certain
way about me, but it's more important that I actually take ownership of that and start
to walk in a way that is worthy of how he sees me.
And I start to walk in the identity he's given me and not just look at it as his view, but
allow his view of me to become my view of me and step into that destiny.
So those are the last two sessions that we've kind of done.
And today I'm just talking about like father, like son, and how you just can't help but
have characteristics of your dad or your mom.
Before we start, I just want to say a little prayer and just allow Holy Spirit to do his
thing.
So Father, I just thank you.
I thank you for every person in this group.
I thank you for what you're doing.
I thank you for your heart towards us.
I thank you for your love, your unconditional, unending, beautiful agape love for us.
I thank you that you created us, formed us in our mother's womb with a purpose, on purpose,
for a purpose, that you fearfully and wonderfully made us and that we are your workmanship.
The Bible says that we are your workmanship.
We are a work of art that you created from your heart.
We're an expression, a manifestation of your heart and your desires and your thoughts.
Thank you, Lord, for everything, for everything.
I just release this next 20, 30 minutes into your hands, God, and I pray whoever needs
to hear whatever's about to come out will hear it and it will be sealed in their spirit
in Jesus' name.
We love you, Lord.
You know, I'm going through a crazy week this week, super busy, so many things happening.
God's doing so many things and more and more and more I realize the importance of being
able to sit in the seat of rest.
You know, I'm fascinated.
that Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus, who is rest.
I'm fascinated by the subject of rest
because he ends up producing.
In the book of John at the end,
it says that Jesus did so much stuff
that there's not enough books to write.
There's not enough books to cover what he did.
I'm fascinated by that.
And so I've been just practicing,
just sitting in this rest, sitting in that place
where producing is just a byproduct, you know?
And so I love that we can just get in his presence
and just sit there and receive
and just drop all the cares of the world
and all the pressures and all this kind of stuff.
So let's get into this thing.
Yes, Doug, we are doing well, pushing through,
just like I know you are.
Awesome, man, awesome.
And hi, Leah, two of my favorite people in the world,
Doug and Leah, awesome hearts.
So I'm just quickly gonna get into it.
It's a short kind of teaching
unless something crazy happens, which may do.
But let's get into this thing.
So it's intriguing to me that John 3 says
that when I became born again, I am now born from above
where I was dropped off on earth
and I had an earthly father, earthly mother,
and earthly connection to my parents.
When I became born again and I received his spirit,
I now am born from above,
directly connected to my father who is God.
You are now, you are born from above.
And so it's just blowing my mind in the last few months,
even the revelation that's been coming
of how he is my father.
I am a son of God.
It is not a thing that people just say to feel good.
It is not just a nice theoretical thing to hear.
It is a reality, a spiritual reality
that is longing to manifest in our natural existence.
And Kylie, thank you, thank you for that encouragement.
And so just this realization
has been pulling me into deeper realms
even while I read this book
and I read about Jesus and start to see
that actually I'm called to walk like he did.
And so this concept of like father, like son
comes from the life of Jesus
because he only did what he saw his father doing.
Like father, like son is Jesus is the father,
revealing the father.
And if you wanna know the father, you can see it in Jesus.
And so then I started to understand
that I am actually a son of God and he is my father,
which means that I am called that my real destiny,
my real excitement of life,
my real purpose is to walk like my father.
And you know, when I was coming up with this thing
and Benji sent me a post,
he sent me a message just saying,
hey, can you send me a picture of you and your dad?
You know, I'll use that picture.
And I started to think of how many times
people have said to me, you were just like your father.
Oh, you're like John.
You know, my dad's name is John.
They'd be like, oh, you did that like John
or you look so much like John.
And I'd be like, what?
Like, I don't even see it.
I don't even see it, but they would see it.
And I didn't, I never once in my life was like,
I'm gonna try and look like John Wilson.
I am gonna try and have the mannerisms of John Wilson.
I never once in my life thought that,
hey, I'm gonna try and manufacture something in me
that looks like my earthly dad.
But everywhere I've been,
and now I'm 33, I'll be 34 next month.
I've had countless people,
especially people that know my dad really well,
who would say, oh, that's just like John.
And things that have went well in my life,
people would say, man, that's the upbringing.
That's from your parents.
And these are things that I couldn't even see.
And so when I was sending Benji this photo,
I started to realize how much,
when you just be a son,
how much of your dad just rubs off on you.
How much of your dad just rubs off on you.
And I think one of our challenges as Christians
is that we try so hard.
We try so hard to be like our father,
that we end up doing, doing, doing,
and we don't just receive what we already are.
And so I started to think of, man, I, I've never ever had to be like, Oh, my,
my DNA, you know, my, my DNA that I got from my dad, I just received it.
I just received it.
I didn't work for it.
Like I'm Indian.
My dad's Indian.
I didn't try hard to be Indian.
I didn't work really hard to, to carry everything that's in my DNA.
It just.
Gift received.
And so I started to realize, man, I'm a, I'm a son of God.
Like I carry his DNA just received, but I don't have to work and strive and
try really hard that I can just receive.
And the more we just receive, the more we can be.
And the more we just be, the more we do.
And this whole concept of like father, like son just starts to manifest.
This is the beauty of what happened at the cross and the beauty of
us being able to just receive.
You know, last night we were with George and Banoff and he
shared this amazing thing.
He was like, Jesus is walking with his disciples in the flesh.
And imagine that you get to hang out with Jesus and touch Jesus.
Like John really took advantage of that.
Right.
John's like leaning on Jesus's bosom.
So imagine you could touch Jesus and you would be like, man, this is awesome.
Even now, some of us are like, this is awesome.
I wish I could just walk with Jesus in the flesh.
And many times I catch myself thinking like that, like, Oh, just if I was,
if I was alive in those days, but then Jesus goes, man, I need to go.
And the disciples would be like, what?
You can't go.
Like, imagine if we're rolling with Jesus and one day he's like, I need to go.
I'm going.
We will be like, no, Jesus don't go.
How can you go?
Now I understand when Peter, Jesus says to Peter, I'm going to go and suffer all
these things.
Peter's like, no way, no way.
I'm not letting you go, Jesus.
And Jesus is like, no, I'm going.
But then Jesus says, it is better that I go.
And you imagine the dynamic here.
Like we're hanging out with the, in the flesh, son of God.
And we're like, man, this is awesome.
I'm hanging with you.
And this is great.
And then he says, I got to go.
And now I'm like, no way.
I don't want you to go wherever you go.
I'm going to come with you.
And then he goes, that's why he says, you can't come where I'm going because they
knew they would want to come.
And then he says, but it is better that I go because when I go, I will send Holy
Spirit.
And now I will be in you always in all of you all the time.
It no longer will be a proximity thing where when I go up the mountain and I'm
hanging with Papa up the mountain and you are having revival down there, we are
separated.
There will be no more separation ever.
And I, you know, I'm bunny trailing right now, but I just think that's so amazing
because what we think is inferior is the greatest thing.
The union can't be separated.
It can't be touched.
And he's in you.
He's in me.
We are sons.
Even women are sons.
There is no gender in the spirit.
You're a son.
And so now by default, you carry his DNA.
And so for 22 years before I encountered God, I was living as someone that I was
never created to be.
And when I encountered him, boom, it was like everything I was always supposed to
be started to be released.
And it just is so easy to be able to just receive.
And so we come to this point now where in Romans 8, 29, it talks about Christ being
formed in us, which I believe is the ultimate purpose of every one of us, every
one of us.
So I'm just going to grab that because I want to read it quickly.
I hope this is okay.
You guys all good.
I just want to grab that.
We're going, it's picking up.
So we're going to Romans 8, 28.
Everybody knows that where he makes all things work together for our good because
we love him and we're called according to his purpose.
And then in verse 20, verse 29 in the passion for he knew all about us before we
were born.
And he destined us from the beginning to share the likeness of his son.
He destined us from the beginning to share the likeness of his son.
And now you will see that there is a call for you to just manifest Jesus on the
earth.
And that is not you manifesting his life.
It is you manifesting who he was because none of you, well, most of you, probably
all of you are not going to be carrying a cross to go put on Golgotha to be
crucified on there.
So it's not saying you've got to copy His life. It is saying you are who He was, who He is.
Right? And so we are destined from the beginning to share the likeness of His Son.
And so suddenly now it's like, oh, you are going to be like Him.
But here's the trippy part. There is a point where Jesus says to Philip,
man, Philip, how long must I cruise with you before you realize if you've seen me,
you have seen the Father. And he's like, I am just like my dad, like father, like son.
And so suddenly we start to see we were destined to be like Jesus,
which means we were destined to be like the Father, like God, because they are one in the same.
He is an expressed image of an invisible God. He is an earthly manifestation of God who is,
I don't even know if you could relegate Him to just a spiritual reality.
It's way bigger, deeper than anything we could try and describe Him as.
But here we see in Romans 8, 29, you are called, right?
From the beginning you were destined to share in the likeness of Jesus,
which means to share in the likeness of our Father, of Jesus' Father, of God.
All right, I hope you're getting what I'm saying here.
So you can know how to be like the Father because the goal is to be like Him,
because the goal is to be Jesus, because we were destined to be that.
And so whenever you are starting to walk this road of trying to find your purpose,
of walking in purpose, it must begin at this place,
because you were always destined to share in the likeness of His Son,
which is actually a representation of Him.
And so you're called to walk like Him.
And so studying the life of Jesus is a great way to know how to walk like the Father,
how to walk like God the Father has called us to walk.
And so I want to just quickly talk about the four R's, okay?
So if you're in New Zealand, it would be the four R's.
If you're in America, it would be the four R's.
And maybe that was more Filipino.
And if you're in India, it would be the four R's, right?
Okay, but the four R's.
And these are things that our gathering, our house church,
we kind of walk through these four things.
And I think it's important to know these four things,
because if these things are happening in your life,
and it's not some formula or something, it's just a guideline.
If these things are happening in your life, there is usually good stuff going on, okay?
So these four things you will see in Jesus' life, the four R's, like the letter R.
The first thing is He was revealing.
He revealed the Father, okay?
So the first R is reveal.
Second is relate.
He was relatable.
He related to everybody.
He was a normal human.
He related.
Third thing, He reproduced, right?
And the last thing, He released.
So these four R's, we're just going to quickly go into that.
I'm going to quickly do this.
It's not too long.
So let's look at that first thing, reveal.
Everywhere that Jesus went, His heart was to reveal the Father,
was to reveal the Father's heart.
And we already looked at that scripture in, I think it's John 14,
where He says to Philip, if you've seen me, you've seen the Father.
And you will know the revealing that God is wanting to do through your life
by watching how Jesus walked.
And how did Jesus walk?
You will see that in Isaiah 61,
where He says that He was anointed to do a whole bunch of stuff,
to do a whole bunch of stuff.
And I don't want to go through that scripture because it's a famous scripture
of binding up the brokenhearted and setting people free,
preaching the good news to the poor.
You will see God's calling,
the revealing that He wants to do through your life in that.
But there is another portion in Matthew,
when Jesus comes and He talks in Matthew 25,
that also talks about the revealing,
which I believe is really,
really important because we many times reduce revealing the Father to
miracle signs and wonders.
Instead of understanding that behind all of that is a heart that is wanting
to do for this world and do for the people something that may sometimes
require a miracle sign or a wonder.
That the miracle sign and the wonder is not the goal.
It is just something that happens to make the goal.
So for example,
if I have torment in my life,
if I have mental torment,
if I have soulish torment,
I have demons.
The goal is not demons being cast out.
The goal is the freedom that I now get to live in.
And one of our challenges as you know,
in Pentecostalism is we get so hung up on,
on the stuff and doing the stuff that we miss the heart and the actual goal.
Last week I talked about how if my daughter was kidnapped.
and I paid the ransom for her to come back.
My goal is not just to pay the ransom to set her free,
it's to bring her back into the life
that we were always meant to have.
And so a lot of times we get stuck on,
okay, well, the demon there and we cast out the demon,
but no, it's the freedom that comes after that,
that's the goal.
It's the life you now get to live, that's the goal.
Like if I am sick and I'm limping for years
and I have bad pain in my knees, bad pain in my body
and I have arthritis all over, healing is not the goal.
The goal is freedom from that pain.
So now I can walk and move and sleep
and that I can do what I was called to do
and to get to that point, healing is needed.
And sometimes we get stuck on that.
So you can read Isaiah 61 from that place
and get stuck on, yeah, this great thing's gonna happen
and miss, no, the point is the heart
of the father behind this.
And so in Matthew 25, you will also see this.
And I don't wanna read through all that
because it's long, but basically it's just talking
about in the end, when he comes to separate the sheep
and the goats and he talks about people in prison.
He talks about feeding the poor.
He talks about giving your clothes
to the ones that don't have any.
He talks about looking after the needs
and how that actually is going to really separate
who knew and who didn't know.
And so Jesus comes in here and he's operating
in all of that.
He's not just casting out demons,
but he is also counseling.
He's also teaching.
He is also feeding.
He's also protecting.
And he's now starting to operate in the heart
of the father more than just looking after a sign.
This is why there was a time where the Pharisees come
and they're like, well, let's look at the sign.
And he's like, you are so after a thing,
you are missing the heart.
And he's really aggressive with them about that
because Jesus was such a heart man revealing
that the father is so about the heart,
the heart, the heart, the heart.
And so I've thought about this often
that Jesus cast out every demon that he saw.
I'm sure he saw many more demons than he cast out.
There was something deeper than just a manifestation,
the heart, which is more important.
And he was so all about revealing the heart.
And so that's the first hour that you want in your life
is that revealing, everywhere you go, revealing.
Even in our gathering, we're teaching people
that that's the first thing you do is reveal.
The goal is not to run after and try and force people
to believe what you believe, it is to reveal.
We've seen so many people come to God
because the Bible says it clearly,
the goodness of God leads people to repentance.
And to see his goodness, he must be revealed.
And it can happen in multiple ways.
But the first goal is to reveal his heart.
Another thing that Jesus revealed
through the father's heart is the kingdom,
these constant parables and reference
to what the kingdom's like.
The kingdom of God is like this precious thing
where a man sold everything he had,
all his possessions, just to get that pearl, right?
And he starts likening the kingdom of God
and he's revealing the kingdom, the kingdom of kingdom.
Another way that he revealed the heart
through love and forgiveness is when he steps in,
when they want to stone the adulterous woman,
he steps in, right?
And he's constantly revealing something deeper
than just a miracle.
It's a heart of a father behind there.
So step number one, or the first point I'm trying
to make here is that you were called to reveal him.
Number two, the second R is relate.
It just blows my mind.
From when I was a kid, I didn't want,
or I didn't know who God was.
And then as I got into my teens,
I didn't want God in my life
because there was no relatability.
You know, people say it's not about religion,
it's about relationship, but they still don't relate.
There was no relating.
You know, you can make relationship a religious term
and never really relate.
And so my whole teen life, I didn't want God
because I didn't see any relatability.
But when I got saved, I started to read the word,
I started to see that Jesus actually was so relatable.
He was relating with everybody.
This was one of the major problems
that religious people even had with Jesus
was his ability to relate.
He could sit in between a prostitute and a drunkard
and remain holy and have a holy conversation
and speak in a language that people could understand
or those that he wanted to understand would understand,
but he had a relatability.
And this ended up becoming one of the biggest problems
that religious people had is that he could just relate.
You know, today in churches, it's really easy to go
and be part of a, we could call it a church family,
but still never relate and still be fake.
And this was one of Jesus's massive pet peeves, or massive issues, was the fakeness that you can find.
And that's why he targeted the Pharisees and he targeted the Sadducees,
because he was constantly referring to, on the outside you're like this, but on the inside, why be fake?
And when he meets someone that's like, I'm dirty on the inside, and they're able to say it on the outside,
he would treat them amazingly, because they're just being real, and now they could relate.
One of the massive problems we have right now, I believe, in the body of Christ, is the inability to just relate.
And so there is such a big divide.
And the divide is not the offensive gospel message,
the divide is the inability to relate between the world and the body of Christ.
And I'm not talking about trying to be relevant in a way that you compromise.
I'm just talking about the ability to just relate.
And so I love that Jesus, who was all clean, all pure, all light,
can come into impure, dark, unclean, dirty places and still be who he is.
And in fact, because he's able to sit in that, start to transform everywhere he goes, start to transform the area.
And so you're called to that, which is number two, to relate.
Can you relate to people?
Can you relate like Jesus related?
Like father, like son, like you.
You are called to relate.
I hope this is making sense for the couple of you that are here.
I just got two more points, and then we're done.
Next thing he did was reproduce.
Reproduce.
I remember when I just got saved, and discipleship I know now is such a,
it's almost a bad word in some places because the idea, the concept of discipleship is shunned.
And it's also so marred.
It's so kind of, it's become a bit dirty because we've seen it done in unhealthy ways.
But this concept of needing to be able to reproduce is part of God's plan.
So Jesus comes.
He comes.
He starts walking everything out after he's 30.
And he goes into the wilderness, comes out, and he's now walking in it.
And he finds these disciples, and he says to them, follow me.
Which is, okay, I am now doing what I see the father do, which is make disciples.
So I'm going to make disciples.
So he makes disciples.
And then while he makes disciples, he even tells them.
Like in Luke 5, there's a story where Peter encounters God and his goodness, encounters Jesus.
And then he says to Jesus, depart from me.
I'm a fearful man.
But then Jesus tells him to come, follow me.
And then he tells him, I will reproduce who I am in you.
I will make you a fisher of men.
And so he always knew he was called to reproduce.
And you are called to reproduce.
Many, many, many of us believers don't mature into full sonship.
Don't mature into what we're called to because we don't reproduce.
We don't take the steps necessary to make disciples because discipleship is costly.
And this is one of the main things you're called to is to make disciples.
And so Jesus is reproducing, always empowering.
So you see different times where he's releasing the power.
I give you all authority.
It's Luke 9, somewhere around there.
I give you all authority to go and cast out demons.
He's constantly reproducing what he's carrying in them.
Sometimes it was through power, through breathing on them, giving them the Holy Spirit.
And then sometimes it's through little lessons.
Like, oh, you try to cast out that demon and the boy that's convulsing.
You know, when Jesus comes down from the Mount of Transfiguration,
there is a boy who's convulsing and there's a demon.
And these rest of the disciples were trying to cast it out and they couldn't.
And so I love that Jesus is so very practical in one.
We're going to relate and reproduce.
We're revealing, relating, reproducing all in one.
All in one.
All at the same time.
There is no level one and then level two and then level three.
There's no four levels to Christianity.
He's like, this is all one.
And so he comes down, he casts out the demon.
Then when they're walking, the disciples ask, you know, like, hey, why didn't we do that?
And then he's able to tell them.
He's able to teach and reproduce in them.
And God has called you to reproduce.
So the first thing, he's called you to reveal him.
You can't reveal him if you don't know him.
Right?
So so many people get stuck in this place because the prayer life now begins just about,
I need this.
I need that.
I need this.
God, I'm struggling with this.
My family, this.
My mom, that.
My wife, this.
And that's the end.
Amen.
And there is no intimacy built.
So when you don't have intimacy, you don't know him, you can't reveal him.
And that's the very first thing.
God has called to reveal him.
because in that you know who you are.
The second thing, relating.
Just like Jesus related to everybody,
you're called to relate.
I remember when I just got saved the first few years,
it was quite interesting
because I no longer was that guy anymore.
You know, drinking and partying
was something I looked forward to.
That was the life I wanted
and I didn't desire that anymore,
but a lot of my friends still did.
And now I was in this tough place of,
okay, well, that's not my life anymore
and I'm not going there with them,
but can I just relate to them as a normal human?
You know, I think one of the mistakes we've made
is when somebody gets saved,
we pull them into a church lifestyle
or a churchy kind of life
and they leave the area that they were in
to come into this new place
and the movement stops.
I find it really interesting
that Jesus casts out these legions of demons
out of this guy.
I think it's Mark 4.
He casts out legions of demons out of this guy
and then the guy is so keen,
like, come on, I'm coming with you.
Let's go, Jesus, all the way.
You know, today we're looking for people like that.
Church leaders are looking for people like that.
But Jesus says to them, no, you don't come.
You just go and tell people what happened.
I trust you.
You represent me, represent my father.
Just go tell people what happened.
You know, and I just think that that's just amazing, amazing.
Hey, Karen, thank you.
Thank you.
Blessings to you too.
So we're relating.
Now we're reproducing
and this is something that began really early on
because then I was like, well, God,
I don't think I can make disciples.
I'm still so new.
And I started to understand that the ability
to make disciples or the call to make disciples
was not something special.
It was not something that was meant to make us special.
It is so simple because I'm following God.
I'm walking the ways of Jesus.
And there are some men and women in my life
that are walking in that way and seem to carry that fruit,
seem to remind me of my father.
So I follow some of them, right?
I'm walking with them.
Just like Paul said, imitate me as I imitate Christ.
I'm seeing some Christ-like people who I'm imitating.
And then it's just, oh, you just lead people
through what you've been through.
And I started to realize discipleship was not,
Joseph, you gotta be some great super apostle
and then you disciple.
Discipleship was not, oh, well,
when you get to this level of manifestation,
then you disciple.
No, it was just, you just teach people what you know
and you are still learning from someone else
and you are passing on things that you learn
while you live your life.
And so the importance, the call to discipleship is massive
because so many people disqualify themselves
from stepping into discipleship
because they feel they don't know enough.
And I wanna set you free from that
because discipleship doesn't come from knowledge.
It comes from the heart.
And what is the heart?
And that's where, if you understand the first thing I say,
which is revealing, you can only reveal what you know.
And so you end up knowing his heart.
So then you reveal his heart
and you're able to relate to people so they see his heart.
And before you know it, you reproduce in them what's in you
because you did the first two things.
But a lot of times we try and skip these first two things.
You will never be able to reproduce the father
if it's not happening in this way.
And so I started to realize, oh, it's simple.
It's simple.
And so when I learned how to hear from God
and I met some people who didn't know how to do that,
I would just help them.
And I started to see it's more the heart
because Matthew 5, the Beatitudes
is really what we're all called to there.
And it's like, there are some times where,
hey, you're down, I'll be down with you.
I'll mourn with you, man.
I'm called to mourn with you.
I feel your pain.
You're going through something.
I'll just be with you.
Okay, you're happy.
I'm happy with you, right?
Or do you get what I'm saying?
It's like, we've complicated it too much
to make it something to attain that we've missed.
We've missed the simplicity of the gospel.
Many times, and I'm still in this battle
of why do we create a different way of reaching the world
when Jesus came and modeled it and he simplified it
and he just grabbed 12 guys.
I mean, he was so relatable.
They say to him, when are we gonna meet you next?
It's like, well, you're this great rabbi.
You know, like, oh, you're a great healing evangelist.
You're a great, I wonder when,
how can I get an appointment?
And Jesus is like, what do you mean?
Come to my house.
Live with me.
I will feed you.
You will see me 24 seven.
I have nothing to hide from you.
We are gonna get in real relationship.
We're gonna do life together, right?
And we complicate the simplicity
of how God already gave us the strategy
for this world to become what he called it to be.
And so discipleship.
It's a massive thing.
I shared this on my profile, but 10 years ago,
the Lord said to me, if you're not humble enough to follow,
you're not wise enough to lead.
Because there was a time where I was following some people
and I could see some of the issues
and I could see some of the things that I'm like,
well, you know, that person's like this
and why should I follow?
And you know, I'm going through this maturing journey
and God was like, well, if you're not humble enough
to follow, you're not wise enough to lead.
And I started to understand the heart posture,
and if you look at all of this,
the heart posture behind it is saying,
every person on this earth is carrying a unique expression
of the Father that needs to be revealed.
And when I choose to follow people and I'm walking,
people that can speak into my life,
I am choosing to allow that expression
to show itself to me.
It's an expression of the Father.
And then in turn, I get to be an expression of Him
to someone else, who then is also an expression of God
to someone else and to me.
And I just love that He made it so simple, discipleship.
Simple, not easy, but simple.
And so when I was leading people to the Lord,
we'd hang out, they'd come to my house,
they'd meet my family, all my birthday parties,
I'd invite them into, we'd have a feed, just any excuse.
We're just gonna do life.
I mean, there are some people in my life now,
we've walked 10 years, nine years, eight years.
I've said to them, I'm gonna be there when you get married,
I'm gonna be there when you have your third kid.
One day we might be old and gray sitting somewhere
talking about, remember in 30 years ago,
40 years ago, 50 years ago,
I want that kind of relationship.
I want, we need that kind of connection.
You know, another thing about discipleship
is people don't care about how much you know
till they know how much you care, right?
We know the saying, but that's the gospel.
What does it mean when it says Jesus will leave the 99,
the shepherd leaves the 99 to get the one?
It's like, no, you will know how much I care
and then you will care how much I know.
You see, Jesus is preaching to all these people
and he's like, hey, Peter, let me borrow your boat
in Luke 5, borrows the boat, preaches this message, right?
And then he says to Peter, hey,
go put your nets on the side, you're gonna, you know,
it'll be good.
Peter does it, catches this crazy boatload,
and it's like, oh my gosh, Jesus cares about me?
He suddenly sees and he knows how much he cares
and now he starts to care, do you understand?
Now Peter starts to care about what Jesus knows.
And so many times in the gospel,
we're like, oh, I'm such a teacher and I'm this
and I'm that, look at how much I know,
look at what I can teach you, look at my revelation, right?
And we've done that and we've missed the care first.
And there'll be some people now,
like one of my closest friends,
and I guess I could call him a disciple,
I could call him like a son, but we're boys, you know?
This relationship has been forged and built over 10 years,
over 10 years, my Nigerian brother.
But when we first met and I lived in South Auckland,
he lived in West Auckland and our church was in North.
And when we first, when I just got saved
and I would walk with him, I would pick him up from here,
take him to the church, drop him back and come back home
because I knew that's what Papa was getting me to do.
And that's what I would do multiple times
and I did that for ages.
And then one day he just stopped returning my messages.
Then he didn't answer my calls
and I didn't see him for months.
And so I'm saying this to you to show you something
about how important it is that people know you care.
Every person that I am walking with today,
even in our house church, and there's about 30 now,
there's about 30 people.
They all needed to know, man, this guy cares.
Now I have people around me
that I know will take a bullet for me.
They will take a bullet for me.
There are some who will get hurt for me to protect me, right?
But that would have never happened
if they didn't know how much I cared.
And we've been stuck in this place of revealing
and sharing knowledge without first the heart.
It's the other way around.
And so to continue the story,
one day I'm just driving in West Auckland
and I'm at traffic lights and I look to my left
because there's a car there that with loud music,
boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
And I looked to the left and it's this guy.
It's my friend and he's sitting there
and he's with his glasses on with his friend
and they're just pumping the music
and he looks over, sees me,
and he's like, oh, takes his glasses off,
puts the music down and he's like, oh, hey bro.
And he hadn't been answering my calls or messages at all.
And I can guarantee you,
he expected me to be different with him.
But we just carried on like nothing happened.
And I kept hanging out, still picked them up,
still dropped them and somewhere along the line,
it just, his walk with God just exploded.
People don't care about.
how much you know till they know how much you care.
I have multiple stories like this.
In fact, I am telling you right now,
if you are going to make disciples,
which you need to, because you're called to that,
because you're called to be like Jesus,
you are going to have to care
and have a heart to lay your life down.
You know, many times people talk about submission.
People talk about how leaders,
they should be honored.
But Jesus modeled how you get proper submission
is first you lay yourself down.
You know, Jesus first died on the cross,
laid his life down before he then said,
Joseph, he did it.
Before the foundation of the world,
he laid himself down and now submission's easy for me.
Because I'm not submitting to someone that's going,
rah, rah, rah.
I'm submitting to someone that washes my feet.
I'm submitting to someone that serves me,
the God of the universe wants to serve me.
What kind of heart is that?
I'm submitting someone that he decides to take my junk,
die on the cross as me, set me free.
I'm now not submitting to,
I'm submitting to a better deal.
I love in Ephesians where he says,
you know, wives submit to your husbands,
but then he says, husbands lay your life down,
do to them, be to them who I am to the church,
like who Jesus is to the church.
And Jesus died for the church.
And so he's given us a secret.
If you want to make disciples, you're gonna have to die.
You're gonna have to die.
Sometimes they're gonna call you and you're on a date,
but they need you.
Sometimes they're gonna call you a fast asleep,
but they need you.
Sometimes they're just gonna need you to feed them
for a season.
And will you?
Will you?
This is the legitimacy of sonship
is evident in my willingness to be obedient.
The legitimacy of my sonship is evident in the ability
or in my willingness to be obedient.
And it blows my mind that there are gonna be people
that we see right now that are manifesting,
seeing demons, cause I do all these great, great things
that might end up in the Matthew seven lane
where Jesus is like, get away from me.
I never knew you.
Step one, reveal the beginning, reveal.
Well, I never knew you, man.
You couldn't reveal my heart.
Sure, you did the stuff.
You did all the stuff, bro, but you didn't know my heart.
It was great.
The world knew you.
Many people came to me through you,
but then they came to me and then they revealed.
I revealed who I am to them and they revealed me to others,
but you were the door they came through,
but you never came there.
Matthew seven, the scariest chapter.
It's like, man, you know?
Anyway, I hope you're getting what I'm saying.
So he revealed, related, reproduced,
and the last thing, he released.
He released.
And these are things we don't see in church, right?
There's been heaps of church splits,
and I know it's a touchy subject,
but I'm telling you right now,
and I've said this to our gathering,
if any person in my house church,
in the house church that I'm a part of,
wants to leave and start their own work,
even if I don't feel, right, if in my opinion,
I'm like, I don't know about that,
I am going to send them.
I am going to release them.
I am going to bless them, maybe financially,
and in different ways.
I have to, because that is the only way
that my heart can be revealed.
I believe there'd be so many church splits
that didn't need to happen
if the first thing of revealing the Father was happening,
and then relating was happening,
where actual relationships were formed.
I've been part of churches
where the leadership structure,
that there was no relationship.
It was all based on doing the God stuff.
There was no actual heart-to-heart connection.
There was no actual in-depth relationship.
You know, relationships are scary.
They're scary, because you've got to be vulnerable,
and if I am going to be who God is, and God is love,
then I have to manifest love.
If I'm going to manifest love, I am taking a risk.
I am taking a big risk.
I am taking a scary risk,
because now I am allowing myself to be hurt.
There is no preservation in love, self-preservation,
and so this is one of the things we don't see,
and so the releasing,
we are called to do these four things,
and then release people into their destiny.
I love the story I heard about Mike Bickle.
You guys probably know Mike Bickle from IHOP,
and they've started the International House of Prayer,
the 24-7 prayer movement, worship movement,
and they had great worship leaders come through there,
and great, great preachers come through there,
and I love how, and I know a friend of mine
was there for years, and so he knows Mike personally,
and he shared.
about how Mike's heart is just that people become what God's calling them to be.
And he would tell other church leaders that how awesome his worship team people are,
and that if they feel God's calling these people to what this new church is doing,
that they should go.
And that blows my mind, just this heart to release, you know, to release.
And Jesus released, and He's released us.
Go and make disciples. He's released.
Released us to what? To go and reveal, and relate, and reproduce, and then release in turn,
and go in again, reveal, relate, reproduce, release.
And so I wanted to share this with you because you are called to be like your Father,
like Father, like Son.
And so when you're being like Jesus, Romans 8, 29, you're being like the Father.
You're being who you were always destined to be.
And I want to clarify again, it's not that you're copying Jesus' life,
but you are who He was and who He is.
It's the heart, not the behavior.
It's the heart, not the action.
So I hope that made sense.
I hope that spoke to some of you guys, the four Rs.
And hi, Nida. I don't know if you're still here, but hi.
It is so simple, man. Kylie, it is so simple.
Kyla, it is so simple.
And I just, yeah, the gospel is a verb.
It's a verb. It is love manifested.
Jesus is love manifested in whatever ability you have.
You know, many times I've caught myself, even in this group,
there are people in this group that I'm like, man, you are great people.
I mean, I don't know if Trevor is still on here, but Trevor is a great man.
And I've heard great things about this man.
And I heard great things about Trevor Yaxley.
I've heard great things about him even yesterday again.
And I'm like, man, I want to meet this man.
And there are people in this group that are doing amazing things.
And many times, many times I catch myself being like, oh, man,
what do I have to give?
What am I going to give?
Look at these amazing people. What am I going to give?
I'm Joseph. I'm a little Indian boy.
And then starting to realize, no, no, I'm a son.
I'm a son. I carry a unique expression.
A unique expression of the father that is needed.
I'm part of the body. And so are you.
Then you start to realize that God has called you.
Whatever capacity, whatever expression, whatever that looks like,
you have a place. You have a place.
You have a place, okay?
And it's time for you to walk in that.
The gospel is a verb. It's an action word.
You've got to move.
When you don't move, you cut your learning short.
I'm going to end with this example.
Okay, Nita, the four R's are reveal, relate, reproduce, and release.
You can re-watch this. I explain them all.
Reveal, relate, reproduce, and release.
These are kind of the four main things that our gathering,
our house church is based on.
And I believe that every person, when they understand this,
walk in that, it's going to transform this place.
It's going to transform this place.
So, oh, man, I was going to tell you a story, and now I forgot.
I don't know if it's going to come back, but there you go.
So that's what I wanted to share.
Oh, the comparison thing, to not compare, to walk in what you carry,
because what you carry is really, really important.
And, yeah, I have lost the story, but at least I answered your question.
So hopefully you guys got something from this,
and you get something from the replay.
And I'm just enjoying the fact that I get to be like my dad,
and you get to be like your dad.
So, Father, I thank you.
I thank you for this beautiful gift, the gift of you,
the gift of your spirit, the gift of the reality that we are you.
We are you on the earth.
We are you manifested on the earth.
I pray that we will be a people that start to understand that,
that just receive it by grace, by grace, grace and by faith.
We will just receive it.
Just receive it.
We will receive it.
We will start to walk in things that we've not earned,
that we don't deserve, and we know that already.
But we will just receive it and walk into God,
not stuff that we try and earn and have an ability to boast in,
but just a simple reception of what you say is what it is.
Thank you, Jesus.
We love you, Father.
We love you, Jesus.
We love you, Holy Spirit, the great Empowerer.
The great Empowerer.
We love you.
I thank you.
And I just want to speak a blessing over every person that listens to this,
that they will start to reveal what they already have,
what they already know about you,
what they already know about who they are,
Reeling will begin and the relating will increase.
They'll start to relate with people from all kinds of walks,
from all different places.
They'll understand what Paul meant when he said,
I'm all things to all people.
God, they'll just start to relate
in the simplicity of love that they'll relate
and then they'll reproduce.
They'll reproduce you in their life
and reproduce who they are in someone else's life.
They'll start to reproduce, God,
other people that carry you, Father,
that they'll reproduce, that they'll reproduce, Lord,
and then that they will release these people
into their destiny, whatever that looks like,
that we won't hold onto people like as if we own them,
but we just release them into their God-given destiny.
Thank you, Lord, for the great season that we're in.
Thank you that we were born for such a time as this,
that we are living in the most exciting times
and I pray that as a people,
we will grab hold of everything you have for us,
the things that the people of old,
the prophets of old longed for, looked forward to,
that we get to walk in that, God.
What an honor, what a privilege.
I pray that we will walk in this thing
unashamedly, unapologetically, in Jesus' mighty name, amen.
I bless you, bless you, Karen, bless you, Nita,
bless you, Kylie, bless you, whoever else is here.
Love you guys, you guys are awesome.
Have a great day.
I think there's two more sessions coming up later today
and tomorrow with Pastor Norm.
It's gonna be epic.
Until next time, love you.
Take care also.
There's an announcement coming from,
Benji's gonna share some things
about what we're doing next and how you can jump in
and start to actually manifest more
of what we've been teaching.
So keep a lookout, keep a lookout for that.
It's gonna be awesome.
Love you guys, take care, talk soon.