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Hey, hey. We are live. Welcome. Look at this. Hello. How you doing? Can you guys hear me

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all right? Very good. Well, welcome everyone. As you're jumping on in the group, great to

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have you here. And let me just double check, just check the tech as always, make sure that

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it's happening, that we're going live. This is the, yes, we are live. Very cool. So if

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you're watching live, then just click on the link here in the description and jump on board

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and jump in here with us in the Zoom room. Carol, how are you doing? Kerry, go like this

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if you can hear me. Yes, very good. How are you doing, Kerry? I'm good. I'm going excellently.

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Oh, great. You're a bit more, more echoey in that, in your new office. I was a bit more,

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bit echoey. Okay. Very good. Yeah, it is a little bit different set up here. It's a

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lino floor as opposed to a carpet, but yeah, there we go. Yeah. So if you are in the,

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if you are in the, just checking us out on the live, feel free to click on the link there,

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jump on board in here and jump into the Zoom room. Action. Very cool. And Carol,

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are you hearing me okay? You're, you're welcome to jump in if you want. Sweet.

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All right. Well, we are going to try in a moment. I'm just doing one quick check, tick, tick, tick.

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And then we will get into it. All right.

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Okay. That's cool. Let's see. So if you, even if you,

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by Sean, I see Sean there in the live, just in the group as well. So

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we're going to pray. And then if people have got questions, then it'll be time to drop your

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questions in. So start thinking about your questions, see what questions you've got.

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And we are on a little bit, a little bit early. We're only supposed to be starting to get live

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now. But let's pray and then see what will happen. Very cool. Well, Papa,

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Jesus, Holy Spirit, we love you. And we love your presence. We love your glory. We love your wonders.

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And we love your word. And we love what you're doing, what you're saying, what you're burning

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for. And we welcome you to come and speak beautifully in this time as we chat. We

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welcome your presence to flow. We welcome your spirit to fall. We welcome you, Holy Spirit,

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to come and unpack and unveil your word to us. And we thank you for a fresh

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move of your spirit in our hearts and in our lives. We thank you for the spirit of awakening,

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gripping us, capturing our hearts, stirring us up. We thank you for the,

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Holy Spirit, we thank you for the fresh word that you want to give us. And we thank you as well for

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releasing that spirit of awakening upon us so we can be aligned with you, carrying your heart,

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carrying your word, carrying your message to the nations, and bringing a fresh outpouring of your

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spirit. Lord, we want to be like the saints of old. We want to walk like Jesus walked. We want

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to step into the wonders that you have for us. So, Jesus, we thank you for fresh grace on us,

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like it was on St. Patrick, like it was on St. Francis Xavier. Lord, the

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amazing grace that you poured out. We're asking you pour it out on us afresh and light us up in

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this time. We thank you for blessing hearts and for bringing questions forward and for answering

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things in a beautiful, beautiful way. Amen. Very cool. Hi Lottie, how you doing?

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Lottie looks like she might be frozen there.

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Primo, so we are opening it up now. So I'll watch the questions in the Facebook group as well. So

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feel free just to drop your questions in the comments too if you're in the Facebook group

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rather than coming into the Zoom room. See a bunch of people in the Facebook group rather than

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just in the Zoom room. But Lottie, how you doing?

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Great, thank you. That's great. Where are you Lottie? Let's see.

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Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear you great.

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Oh good. I'm doing great. Just finished a hike. Oh fantastic. And whereabouts are you?

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Pardon? Whereabouts are you? Oh, in the San Jose area.

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Okay. San Jose, California. Fantastic. Great stuff. And Lavinia, how you doing?

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And Lottie, do you have a question that you came to ask?

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Do I have a question? No, not at the moment. Not at the moment. Very good. That's all right.

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Lavinia, how you doing? I passed. I've just walked in the door and I was,

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oh, I don't like the word, but I did panic. I said, I'm missing them, I'm missing them,

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but I made it on time. Here I am. Good work. I'll ask a question in a minute, Benji. I'll

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just get my breath back. Yeah, very good. We're just going live now. Thank you.

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Very cool. Red Miller, welcome. How are you doing? I'm good, thanks. Yes. Still

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reeling from the weekend, you know, going, whoa. Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah. What was it like for you? How did you find the three days of action?

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Um, truthfully, it was a bit of a roller coaster. It was kind of like,

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um, I love the passion, love the fire, love the idea of smashing, um, you know,

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smashing the giants, bringing an open heaven in. Um, and then I get freaked out by,

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ah, the mystics and the extraordinary things they did. And I'm thinking,

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how am I going to even do a fraction of all of that? It's like, ah, so it's kind of like,

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take a breath, calm down. Yeah. Just roll with it. See where God takes you on this incredible journey.

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Yeah. Good. Cool. Very good. Very good.

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All right. Now I'm not sure who this is. Your name says love, but welcome love.

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Good to have you with us. Now, if you're, um, if you're one of the beautiful people watching

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in the Facebook group as well, I'm going to open it up now to, um, start bringing some questions.

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So like I said, we're a bit early getting on board here, but it's great to have you.

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Michelle, how are you doing? Thanks. How are you? Welcome. Good to see. Where are you joining us

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from Michelle? Uh, Australia. Lovely. Hi. Sorry. I was just asking where she is.

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Uh, Australia too. From Melbourne. Oh, very good. Oh, we've got a few Aussies here today. Aussies

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are strong. Well, it's a good time of the day for us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not so much when I was doing

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the 6am New Zealand time ones, eh? Yeah. Three or four in the morning. I was, it was a, um, it was

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an intense weekend. I was getting up, um, the first day I was up at 2am because I had a three

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hour live, you know, praying the spirit at the beach first, which is, which was 3am to 6am New

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Zealand time at the beach. Man, it was freezing. Oh my gosh. It was like two degrees at the beach.

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And then this really cold wind came in too. So I smashed that out and then got home in time just

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in time to kind of prep and get ready to go for the live for the first one.

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So it's kind of that dynamic, eh?

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Balancing the time zones out for everyone

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and wanting to try and do justice

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to all the different time zones.

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Yeah, you did well, Benji.

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You did well.

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Thanks, bud, thanks.

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Cool, hey, well, why don't we launch into it?

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And we were looking for some really juicy questions.

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So anyone who's got a nice, juicy question for us,

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why don't you jump in?

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Yeah, I have one, Benji, first up.

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I love the presentation.

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I did struggle, however, in my quiet time,

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uniting the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God together.

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I like to think that I finally got it

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after listening to Dana and her worship.

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Oh, her ministry is so spot on.

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Who's listening to Dana's worship?

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Yeah, I did this morning.

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Well, I've been listening to it for a while now,

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but I sat under the tree in my garden.

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So I've had a calling of Deborah from years ago,

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and I'm seeing it coming to fruition now.

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So I placed myself in obedience back under the tree.

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And I was listening to Dana,

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and it was like I was asking her this very question

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I'm asking you.

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And she clarified it.

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I'd like to hear you on this matter again, please.

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I just want to see if my door is banging.

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I'll just look there.

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There we go.

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Okay, it's really windy here today.

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So anything that can even move a little bit

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that's getting sucked around by the wind.

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Oh, I can hear it.

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Okay, so yeah, Lavinia, hit it.

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Oh, repeat?

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Okay, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

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I thought I knew how they were united as one,

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but I'd like more clarity on that, please.

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As in?

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You know, the divine dance,

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how they're all intertwined with each other.

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How they intertwine, how they have a relationship,

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how they're like a family?

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Please, yes.

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Yeah, well, that's the beauty

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of the three-in-one dynamic of the trinity.

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And so when I talk about the divine dance,

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the word that I'm,

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you know, the word that gets translated as divine dance

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is the word perichoresis.

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And the word perichoresis itself

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isn't specifically in,

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isn't specifically in the Bible.

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So the word perichoresis isn't.

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You won't find perichoresis in the Bible,

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but what you do find in the Bible is obviously the trinity.

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you find the trinity.

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to describe the trinity.

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And so the best word that anyone has ever found

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to describe the trinity in all the centuries

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that theologians have been trying to describe it

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is that word perichoresis,

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which just talks about how they are three-in-one,

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but distinct.

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choresis, the choresis part

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is where we get the word choreography from.

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the word is, perichoresis is all about a divine dance.

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It's describing the trinity.

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is just to kind of really capture the essence

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of the trinity.

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we've got in the trinity,

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we see heaven model, right, which is family.

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just imagine the most perfect family you could ever imagine.

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try and give me one word that would describe

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the best relationship you could be in.

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I would, for myself, I would probably say love, right?

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Love.

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like a half-hearted love, would you?

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you would be having the most amazing type of love possible,

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he talks about this father who has an amazing love.

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uh chapters to look at divine love it's not the only one but it is an amazing one you see this

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you know that the father's you see the the love of the father and the love the love of the trinity

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right from the very beginning um oh look there you go some people in the chat hi there guys in

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the chat feel free to drop questions in the chat i'll try and keep an eye on that too oh i'm just

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seeing some comments uh in the uh facebook group as well um so cool i'll just i'll get i'll focus

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on them in a second just watching comments bouncing in two groups as well so keep me

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accountable guys if i miss a question help me out there to make sure i um get into it uh yeah

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so keep me accountable to the different questions that are coming flying around so yeah the trinity

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you just see that right from the beginning you know the beauty of of the trinity is seen right

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from the very beginning that you know it's out of their relationship that they create this context

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for humanity and what do they create they create even which means paradise even on earth you're

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like yes this is the context that i want to have a relationship with you in the context of perfection

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in the context of eden in the context of delight this is where i want my relationship and our

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relationship and you know between god and man between humanity and the trinity this is where i

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want our relationship to be based is in the place of delight and what's delight delight is a word

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that we use to express the pinnacle of love right love on steroids is delight so what you have in

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eden is love on steroids that's what eden means it's love on steroids and that's exactly what you

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and what is that it's just an overflow of the heart of the trinity it's an overflow of their

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uh heart it's an expression of how they desire to have relationship with us and it's the context

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that they want to have relationship with us in the context of uh delight so eden that's the

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original context that god created for relationship with us he's like hey how about in the context of

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relationship we uh we redesign this world out of this relationship right so everything's supposed

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to start in eden with knowing that we're as loved as love can be and then out of that place of eden

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eden then overflows to the world and that's why he gives them that commission okay go and take

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dominion right but it's outlet that dominion was always designed to be an overflow of eden so it's

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like right everything that's beautiful and perfect and wonderful here that we have in eden and

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everything that we experience in our relationship here that's beautiful and perfect and awesome and

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and divine let's redesign you know like let's let's see this sweep right throughout the whole world

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so the trinity um that's a little bit that's a little bit about the the trinity just a little

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snapshot but the trinity as well as um is a you know that's something that's a conversation

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that's been going been going on for centuries as well have some you know there's all sorts of

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crazy thoughts about the trinity um that you that some people have tried to say and you know even

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you know there's people that have tried to say for years as well you know like right from the

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very very beginning of the early church that oh yeah there is um jesus isn't divine all these

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types of things so the trinity is definitely something that the church has really fought to

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protect as a core belief um and many people try to oppose that in their different ways or their

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different ideas but the church has always really held fast to protecting that as just one of the

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core core beliefs is that god is a trinity and and you see you see it from the very beginning

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in genesis god refers to himself as plural he says let us make man in our image so

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and then when you have you know jesus great commission it's like right i want you to baptize

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make go and make disciples of all nations and this is a view this is so beautiful we kind of

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sometimes can just brush over to say i want you to go and make the cycles of all nations it's

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really important to note that jesus didn't say go and make disciples in all nations right if that

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was the goal we could achieve it you know just about be there right but the goal is not go and

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make disciples in all nations the goal is go and make disciples of all nations and then he takes it

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to a whole nother level and says baptizing them so um the word baptism in the greek one of the

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first words for baptism was baptism which is a word that they also used for pickling pickles

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so that's what jesus was saying he's like you guys you know how they pickle pickles

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um you know how they soak them in that pickle juice and they just get they just get completely

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pickled that's what they do

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the word baptismo was used for is like,

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well, what I want you to do is I want you to go

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and get entire nations and I want you to baptismo them.

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I want you to pickle them in the nature.

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So the name, and the word name,

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especially in the Hebrew context,

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but in that context as well,

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the word name always refers to nature.

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So it doesn't mean like, baptize them in my surname.

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It doesn't mean that.

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It means baptize them in my nature.

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pickle them in the nature of the Father,

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the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

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That's the divine dance.

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So our calling is to pickle the entire planet

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in the divine dance, which is a bit of fun.

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Sean, welcome, buddy.

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I see Sean there and Sonia and Justine.

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Welcome, guys.

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And Christine and Christy and Angela and Elise and Marcel.

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Welcome to all of you guys, too.

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Thanks, Benji.

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Was that helpful, Lavinia?

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Sorry, you're muted, Lavinia.

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Sorry, Benji, here I am.

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You answered that beautifully in its simplicity.

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I've made a track on my writing pad

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and I can see the flow there.

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And I can see also why I ran into some difficulty

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in the intercessory prayer group last night.

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They could see the love coming out of me,

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which they hadn't seen before.

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But as soon as I spoke about the Trinity,

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I could feel the conflict.

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But now I've got a more clearer picture now to introduce.

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Thank you.

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Okay, okay.

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Well, yeah, that makes sense, your question then.

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So you were praying and then you mentioned the word Trinity

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and Christians manifested.

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Absolutely, yes.

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Yes.

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But I loved it.

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It's bizarre, right?

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It is, you'll see it a lot.

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As soon as I mentioned the word Trinity,

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people are like, what?

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What?

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What do you mean Trinity?

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I'm like, God's a Trinity, right?

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Like Father, Son, Holy Spirit, that's the Trinity.

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So it's kind of funny, but for some reason,

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the church hasn't used the word Trinity for a long time.

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It's like, they'll talk about Holy Spirit, Jesus,

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God the Father individually,

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but they don't often refer to them as the Trinity,

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even though our great commission,

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our mandate is to pickle the planet in the nature,

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in the divine dance, in the nature of the Trinity.

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So the whole great commission revolves around that dynamic.

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It's actually a really crazy concept right there.

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Yes.

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Because the Trinity is the core of heaven.

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Yes.

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Because the divine dance is the very thing

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that sets the atmosphere of heaven.

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Beautiful.

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Okay, it's the foundation of heaven.

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Everything you like about heaven,

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everything you like about the concept of heaven,

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you're like, oh, heaven, wow, that's going to be amazing.

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I want to do that forever and ever.

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What is it that you think you're going to like about it?

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What you're going to like about it is the atmosphere,

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which is the overflow of the divine dance.

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Well, that's what you're going to love about it.

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And it's the very foundation,

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it's the heartbeat of heaven, right?

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So if our calling is to bring heaven to earth,

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you know, that doesn't look like buildings.

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That doesn't look like big meetings.

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An authentic expression of heaven on earth

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looks like an unbroken cycle of divine love.

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That's why sonship is so critical.

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Because sonship, right?

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My definition of what mature sonship looks like

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is the ability to receive divine love perfectly

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and the ability to give perfect expression to divine love.

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And that's what Jesus modeled on the cross.

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One of the most amazing examples

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that you're ever going to see of love, right?

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Is Jesus is giving a perfect expression to divine love,

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even on the cross, right?

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He's receiving divine love

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and he's giving a perfect expression to divine love.

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Can you just,

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can you imagine going through the cross

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and just not going into a full blown rage mode?

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It's outrageous, it's bizarre,

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it's crazy that his love is still on at maximum volume

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even at the end of that.

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And what is he modeling to us?

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He's modeling what love looks like.

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He's modeling the nature of God.

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He's modeling our identity.

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He's modeling what sonship looks like.

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And sonship looks like an unbroken cycle of divine love.

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And that's.

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That's our journey into maturity, is journeying back into our ability to participate effortlessly

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and seamlessly in the divine dance.

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That's why God made us in his image in the first place, so that we could be equal dance

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partners.

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He's let us make man in our image, let's make man in our image, that the whole purpose of

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being made in the image of God is so that you can be an equal partner in the divine

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dance.

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So that you can receive the same quality of love that they receive, and so that you can

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express the same quality of love that they express.

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That's why he made us in his image, so we've got the same capacity.

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You could say that being made in the image of God means that we have the same capacity

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to receive love.

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That's a big deal, right?

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It's a big deal having the same capacity to receive love as God.

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And that's the journey into sonship, is the journey of becoming love.

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And as we become love, and that process of becoming love is a process of being born from

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above countless times, over and over again, like, whoa, we have another revelation of

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truth that what sets us free and what does freedom look like participating in the divine

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dance?

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Receiving love, expressing love perfectly, that's what freedom looks like.

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Freedom is the ability to receive divine love perfectly, and the ability to give perfect

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expression to divine love.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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That's great.

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Sweet.

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So, next question.

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Someone drop us a nice juicy question, something curly.

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Let's make it something that challenges us, pushes us, put me on the spot.

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I see Billy Joe is watching, and she's like, once pickled, never more a cucumber will be.

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Excellent.

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That's funny.

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Amen to sonship.

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Isaiah, I see you there.

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Andrea, I see you there.

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Very cool.

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Got a cool crew watching on the lives as well.

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Good to be with you guys.

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All right.

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So, next question.

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No questions.

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Someone's going to bring a question, surely.

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Otherwise, I'll ask you guys a question.

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Andrea, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Come in.

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Come.

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You're coming in from South Africa with a beautiful question.

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Let's hit it.

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You just need to unmute.

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Oh, there we go.

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Good morning.

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Oh, well, good afternoon to you.

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Good morning.

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It's early for you guys.

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This is like, is it about half past five?

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Yes.

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Well, you're looking very pretty for half past five.

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I have to get up early to get out of my PJs.

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Well done.

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Well, baby, I've got two questions,

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and you could probably answer them in one.

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My first one is, yesterday when I listened to your.

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Can you speak up a little bit?

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It's just a little bit hard to hear you.

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Oh, sorry.

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Can you hear me better?

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Kind of, yeah.

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Sorry.

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Can you hear me now?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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The first question would be,

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can you speak up a little bit for me?

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Sorry, the word is not going out of my head.

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If your internet cuts off,

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it'll just put it into the chat as well,

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but I can't hear you.

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Okay.

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We couldn't hear you.

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Sorry.

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Here we go.

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Does that sound better?

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Way better.

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Okay.

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spirit before the enemy or the orphan characteristic before the enemy actually lured them into

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eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Okay, now that what you explained it

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makes a lot of sense but what I can't understand is if God created them perfectly you know and in

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perfect union bliss with him how how did they not have that divine dance with him if you're

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what I'm saying and why would they've been opened up to what you are like that that I'm struggling

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and then can I pop the second one? Okay so yeah they were created in God's image

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but don't think that Adam and Eve were any different to you and I

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okay so they were 100% created in God's image just as much as you and I are created in God's

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image they weren't created any more in God's image than you or I were and they weren't they

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weren't born with it and they weren't created with a chip in their brain that had full

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understanding and knowledge and revelation it's not like they didn't have to learn

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you know they were created yeah boom they're created and they've got a lot going on for them

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and it is a mystery right it is a mystery that they could be in Eden and be hanging out with God

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and still have still get it wrong right it's it is totally a mystery there so how did that happen

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so how did that happen what process did they go through how long did that take what you know we

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don't know that we don't know that bit right but what we do know is we can really easily see

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Genesis 3 we can see their behavior really easily

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okay so and what you see from behavior is and anyone who who has ever been on a journey of

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transformation can tell you this that where there's fruit there's a root right and so

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the fruit of orphan behavior always comes from the root of orphan beliefs

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and that's why we have you know the thing that highlights it so much to us and clarifies it so

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much to us is Matthew 4 where Jesus is being tempted that is the great because that Genesis

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uh Genesis 3 with Adam and Eve and Matthew 4 with Jesus two stories of temptation one the story of

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an orphan and one the story of a son and what Jesus highlights to us is what sonship looks like

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and anything less than what Jesus model is less than sonship and so if it's less than sonship

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it's an expression of the orphan nature right so uh so we just have to look at Jesus and go okay

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right well that's what sonship looks like and let's work backwards from there and and let's make

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a simple ask ourselves a simple question does sonship look like getting a beat down from Satan

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does sonship look like breaking covenant with the father in one conversation does sonship look like

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handing over your birthright in one conversation does sonship look like coming into agreement with

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Satan no and that's the beautiful thing about Jesus being the model of our sonship is that

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he makes it just so obvious that that of what sonship looks like

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so then we look at sonship and go okay right well we've got a pattern now Jesus is the pattern

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Jesus is the blueprint Jesus is the model of sonship and so from that model of what sonship

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looks like and from the you know the Matthew 4 example of Jesus

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we can have a quick look at it I'll grab my Bible here Matthew chapter 4

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um Matthew chapter 4 Jesus tested in the wilderness

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it is so here's what you see when Jesus is tempted or tested

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um every time he's tested he responds with the word of God it is written man shall not live on

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bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of God that's not what Adam and Eve did you

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know uh they obviously didn't have that word there but they could you don't need to have like Moses

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words if you're in union with God like if you are in union with the truth you'll still get a word

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doesn't have to be word for word Bible quote you know they were there living before the Bible was

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written but they still could have had a word from God if they were in that place

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um actually no that's wrong they could have just based it on the conversations and the agreements

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that they already had with God and said no no we don't need that Satan this is a tree of life sorry

485
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you're being a punk but they didn't right they justified they wriggled

486
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they swerved, they made it work for themselves, that's all evidence of the orphan life, you know,

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that's, that is what the orphan life looks like.

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Yo, so, Adrienne, is that cool for you?

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Thank you. And then, can I ask question number two? It's just, we've had the previous,

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the previous discussion we had on the sinful nature, because that kind of ties in. I'm just,

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I just struggled a bit with, I hear completely what you're saying and I agree with you, but then

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why would you, you know, what, then please explain to me, you know, the death to self,

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the old man, you know, in comparison with a sinful nature, because my understanding was always that

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after the cross, I mean, it's through the cross that we can actually enter and, you know,

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you get born again, as we spoke previously. And now, if we never had a sinful nature,

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then where does the old man come into the picture?

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Well, first of all, let's look at the Old Testament, because you're assuming that

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you're making a big assumption that ignores the entire Old Testament, when you think that

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you couldn't live a righteous life before the cross, right? That's a big deal. That's a big

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deal, because the whole way through the Old Testament, they are told that God will give

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them Shalom, and that they can live in Shalom. And what's that? Shalom is the Hebrew word for,

502
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you know, it's the Hebrew counterpart of the New Testament promise of salvation,

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right? So the whole Old Testament, they were promised that they could have salvation right

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then. The same word, right? So, Sozo in the New Testament, Shalom in the Old Testament have the

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same meaning. And they have prophesied and spoken of all the way through there. Isaiah 26 verse 3,

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Isaiah says, He will keep in perfect peace those with a steadfast mind who trust in Him.

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Right? This is exactly the same in the Old Testament as it is in the New Testament,

508
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right? So what Isaiah is saying in Isaiah 26 verse 3, he said, He will keep, so God will keep

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in perfect peace. The Hebrew words there are Shalom, Shalom. And what Shalom means is everything

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functioning according to divine design. So what is everything functioning according to divine design?

511
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Union with God, bliss, ecstasy, oneness. And did they have that? Did they have intimacy with God?

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Did they connect with God? Well, look at the Psalms, look at David, look at his union

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with God, Psalm 63. I will praise you because your love is better than life. What is that?

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Moses, his face transfigures because he's been hanging out with God.

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What? So we make a big assumption and it's this huge assumption that, that in the Old Testament,

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they couldn't have access to what we have access to, that the cross was the dividing line.

517
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So what we, what we've made a wrong assumption about, right,

518
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is the, is the, this is what I was talking about, misdiagnosis of the problem. You know,

519
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like the whole premise of the, you know, of a, of this false orphan gospel,

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it all starts that the problem is sin and separation, right? You're inadequate

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and you're far from God and the cross will solve that problem. But in the Old Testament,

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they didn't live like that. You know, like it's making this big assumption that actually in the

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Old Testament, you didn't have righteous people. You didn't have people who walked with God in the

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Old Testament. Enoch walked with God for 300 years, right? How much, how righteous do you

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think he was? You know, how much truth and revelation do you think he walked in? How

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much intimacy do you think Enoch walked in that he could walk with God for 300 years? And then

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God's like, man, I like you so much. This is awesome. I'm just going to take you, right?

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That was before the cross. So we make this big assumption like, and I'm not, I'm not in any way

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devaluing the cross. The cross is crazy, wild, amazing. The single most glorious, amazing

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revelation of the father, the greatest revelation of love, the greatest revelation of sonship.

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And so that is why the cross is powerful. Here's something that people miss.

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understand is people think that, well, listen, Jesus never said the cross would set you free.

533
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Okay. Jesus preached the gospel in all its entirety, but he didn't say the cross would

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set you free. Okay. Jesus preached the gospel in all its entirety. He didn't say the blood

535
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would set you free. Okay. So it's really important to understand what Jesus did say

536
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would set you free. And what's the one thing that Jesus said would set you free?

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The truth, right? The truth. And who is the truth? He is the truth. Did he, did he exist

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before the cross? You could, truth will set you free. All right. It's not, it's not the

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cross that will set a person free. It's the revelation that they take from the cross that

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will set you free. Okay. This is a really, really important concept to grasp because

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it's the truth and it's not just the existence of the truth. The existence of the truth doesn't

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help anyone. It's intimate experiential knowledge of the truth that sets people free. And it was

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intimate experiential knowledge of the truth that set people free before the cross. I'm going to

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ask you this. Did Jesus set anyone free before the cross? Did Jesus have an effective ministry

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before the cross? Did Jesus forgive sin before the cross? Did Jesus heal and restore before

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the cross? Did Jesus speak revelation that set people free before the cross? Do you get,

547
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do you get revelation from any of the words of Jesus before the cross that actually bring freedom

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into your life? Jesus wasn't waiting for the cross to start his ministry. And Jesus preached

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the gospel in all its entirety before the cross. And the gospel that we're called to preach was

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preached in all its entirety before the cross. So what we have to understand is what's different

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about the, what is the cross? Well, the cross is the greatest amplifier, the greatest articulation,

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the greatest revelation, the greatest exclamation mark, the greatest expression of the gospel that

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there is. Because what is the heart of the gospel? The heart of the gospel is a revelation of the

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father. And this is where the misdiagnosis comes in. And it's attached to your first question

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because that, you know, if we look at Adam and Eve, everyone looks at Adam and Eve, and they look

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at the fall, which is what? Behavior. And they try and diagnose the behavior. And we try and

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diagnose the behavior rather than the root cause. The behavior is just a symptom. So you try and

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diagnose what the problem is by looking at the symptom, and you're going to get a misdiagnosis.

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And the whole Western gospel is founded on a misdiagnosis, right? So you, it means that you

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look at the cross and you ask the wrong question. And if you ask the cross the wrong question,

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you'll get the wrong answer. And everyone tries to understand the, you know, what the cross means

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after the cross, right? You don't find the meaning of the cross after the cross in the epistles,

563
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right? You find the meaning of the cross in Christ. He gives us the full meaning of the

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cross before the cross. So, so many people try and understand the cross by looking at Paul's writings,

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by looking at, you know, all of the New Testament writings. It's not where you look to get your

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revelation of the cross, okay? People look to Paul because they think, okay, now that the cross is

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done, we have to try and interpret the cross from Paul's perspective. We try and interpret the cross

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from the other side. You don't get an accurate revelation of the, well, you can still get an

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accurate revelation there, right? Because if you understand it, you'll actually see that they are

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in total harmony with what Jesus is saying. But what I'm saying is when you have a misdiagnosis

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of the problem, you ask the wrong questions, you have the wrong lens, and you get the wrong answers.

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How does, you know, so the real question that we want to be asking is what was the real cause? What

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was the real issue with humanity? What was the problem? And the problem, the issue, the root cause

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was a lie. And what was that lie? The lie was a false image of God. And what was the result of

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that lie? The result of that lie was often behavior, which is the inability to receive

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divine love perfectly, and the inability to express divine love. So that is where your,

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all sin, right, all of what sin is, is sin. When we look at this Romans 3.23,

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for all have sinned, which is an archery term, which means to miss the mark, for all have sinned and

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lived outside, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But it's an archery

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term which means to miss the mark.

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So what does that mean? It means that the mark is the glory of God.

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Okay, and what is that? It's the Greek word doxa, which is used in 1722 when Jesus said,

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I've given you the same doxa that the Father gave me. So we know without a shadow of a doubt

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that doxa is our identity. And what's that identity? It's the same. It's the same.

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It's like the whole of the gospel starts in Genesis 1. It doesn't start, you know, oh my

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gosh, you know, Matthew 1. No, it starts Genesis 1. I made you in my image. God hasn't started like

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a new conversation and gone, oh man, like actually let's change the topic. It wasn't. He hasn't

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changed the topic. Right from the very beginning, God was like, man, that like perfect flow of this

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divine dance in the Trinity and they want to create humanity to participate perfectly in it.

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They're like, okay, right on. Let's make them in our image so that they're qualified. They're

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empowered. They're enabled. They have the same capacity to participate as equal dance partners

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in this unspeakable love, in this divine dance of love and this unbroken cycle of divine love.

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Let's create them to participate that. And then let's create Eden, which is love on steroids.

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So it's the perfect context for us to carry on the dance in Eden. This is love on steroids.

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This is what they've always wanted. But in order for man to be able to participate in the dance,

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we have to be fully persuaded that we're exclusively defined by the doxa, by the glory

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made in his image. So the cross, the cross is the ultimate example of what,

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it's the ultimate revelation of God. It's the ultimate revelation of his love.

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And we get messed up on this big time, right? Because everyone, you know, like all these

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Western theologians are trying to tell us how the cross changed God from wrathful God

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to happy God, right? They're asking, how did the cross change God?

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But you'll never get a sane answer from that question because it's not a sane question.

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Because Jesus, you will never find one time where Jesus said, guys, I'd like you to know

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that I've come to change God. We see John 3, 16, you know, for God so loved the world,

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you can see that his heart hasn't changed. And even in Eden, God didn't kick them out of Eden,

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right? What is Eden? Eden is the land of his delight. So it wasn't just the garden of Eden,

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it was the garden in Eden. The whole land was called Eden. He said, okay, look guys,

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what you can't do is you can't eat from the tree. So I don't want you to go back in there.

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So he stops them going from going back into the garden, but they still lived in the land of Eden.

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They still lived in the land of his delight, who packed up their bags and moved out. It wasn't

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God, it was their own shame that drove them to isolate. It was their own sense of inadequacy

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that drove them to isolation from God. You know, that after the fall, they run and hide. What's

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that? Shame that leads to isolation. And what did God do? He ran to them. And what did they do? Oh,

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man, let's keep going. Let's keep moving. Let's keep running away. So they keep running away.

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And then Enoch comes along not too long later. And what happens with Enoch? Does God like,

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I am the gospel God. No, he walks with him for 300 years. And you show me one Christian who has

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a better relationship with God than Enoch. All right, you try and find one Christian on the

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planet that's got a better relationship with God than Enoch. And then tell me that, okay,

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in the Old Testament, they couldn't walk righteously. In the Old Testament, they didn't

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have access to freedom. Humanity's always had access to freedom because freedom, listen, freedom

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doesn't come from the cross. Jesus didn't say freedom will come from the cross. Jesus said

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freedom will come from an intimate experiential knowledge with the truth. And the truth is a

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person who has existed for eternity. And that's why in the Old Testament, Isaiah 26 verse three,

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he says, he will keep in shalom, shalom, which is, you know, everything that we're dreaming of,

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sonship is shalom. Shalom is the divine light. Shalom is sonship. Shalom is the divine light.

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Shalom is the, you know, it's the pinnacle of everything we could ever imagine. And the whole

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way through the Old Testament, they promised, hey, look, you trust in God and you can walk in shalom.

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So, so bringing this back to the sinful nature, did they have, did they have a, you know,

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they have a sinful nature in the Old Testament? What is the sinful nature? So the sinful nature

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is the sinful nature is a set of beliefs, okay, rather than actual...

631
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the sinful nature is not an actual like substance, okay, like you can't go and pick up the sinful

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nature, you're not going to find the sinful nature anywhere as like, it's not something you can pick

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up and grab, it's not something you can quantify, like the only way you can quantify the sinful

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nature is that the sinful nature is a false identity, the sinful nature is every lie that

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you believe about yourself, okay, so all the sinful nature is, is a lie, so what... how do

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you experience the sinful nature, what is the sensible nature, what is the old man, what is

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the carnal mind, it is... it's the lies that fill the vacuum in the absence of truth,

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all right, it's the lies that fill the vacuum in your own mind, in the absence of truth,

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so if you don't have truth in your mind, something is... something else is going to

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fill that space, and it's either going to be lies or ignorance, but lies or ignorance,

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either way doesn't matter, they will produce death in you, truth will produce life, truth

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will produce freedom, truth will produce the renewed mind, truth will produce the mind of,

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you know, this is Romans... I think it's Romans, I can't remember off the top of my head, but Romans,

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the quote where Paul writes about the mind governed by truth is life and peace,

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the mind governed by... I'll just pull it up, let me pull it up and read you that verse,

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I'm hoping you guys are keeping your eyes on the prize for me as well,

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just if there's other questions flowing, because I'm kind of...

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right, the mind...

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sorry, I couldn't remember this verse off the top of my head right there, guys,

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but here we go, Romans... ah, it is, it was Romans 8, Romans 8, 6,

651
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hang on a second, Romans 8, 6, the mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by

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the spirit is life and peace, so the mind governed by the flesh, right, and what is the flesh,

653
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what is this flesh or the sinful nature, what is that, okay, what is the mind governed by flesh,

654
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that is lies, okay, so the mind that's founded on lies, the belief system that founded on lies

655
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will produce death, but the mind that is governed by the spirit or by truth is life and peace, so

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let me pull that down, yeah, so I hope, I guess what I'm wanting to balance out here is the fact

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that like New Testament believers, you know, we've had this mindset that the Old Testament,

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they couldn't walk, you know, they couldn't walk in righteousness or like, you know, like it's

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so it's religious insanity, right, to brainwash us to think that they couldn't have intimacy

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with God beforehand, when you've got guys like Elijah, Enoch, David, Samuel, you look at the

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prophetic words that Samuel was getting, oh my gosh, crazy, that level of prophetic, that level

662
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:48.640
of intimacy with God, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, like how many prophets do you want to speak of,

663
00:53:48.640 --> 00:53:54.720
Mary, you know, what is intimacy with God, the ability to hear his voice, you know,

664
00:53:54.720 --> 00:54:00.640
could Mary hear his voice, could Ezekiel hear his voice, could Daniel hear his voice,

665
00:54:00.640 --> 00:54:08.240
could Noah hear his voice, could Moses hear his voice, could Josiah hear his voice, yes, they all

666
00:54:08.240 --> 00:54:16.800
had intimacy with him, yeah, so here we go, so the sinful, what is the sinful nature, that's

667
00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:24.080
something that we have to quantify, okay, the sinful nature is lies, that's what it is, so if you're

668
00:54:24.080 --> 00:54:28.640
putting to death the sinful nature, what you're doing is you're putting to death

669
00:54:30.240 --> 00:54:35.200
a false identity about who you are, so to put to death the sinful nature

670
00:54:36.560 --> 00:54:41.680
is to come into agreement with the truth that you're exclusively defined by God,

671
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:50.240
to put to death the sinful nature, come into agreement with the present reality that you're

672
00:54:50.240 --> 00:54:57.120
perfectly made in the image of God, right, and the process of doing that means that you have to

673
00:54:57.120 --> 00:54:59.520
break the fusion between

674
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:06.480
identity based on performance versus an identity based on who God is and what

675
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:11.760
God says and what God's done. Because our identity has got nothing to do with our

676
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:17.240
performance, and as long as we believe that our performance has something to do

677
00:55:17.240 --> 00:55:22.200
with our identity, it will produce the sinful nature in us, right? It will

678
00:55:22.200 --> 00:55:27.480
produce a defiled mind, it will produce a corrupt mind. So to believe that, let me

679
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:32.560
give you an example of this. If you're abused, right, what lie did you learn when

680
00:55:32.560 --> 00:55:38.640
you were abused? What lie did you learn when you failed? What lie did you learn

681
00:55:38.640 --> 00:55:43.240
when someone spoke really badly about you? What lie did you learn in that

682
00:55:43.240 --> 00:55:48.480
moment, right? Well, what the sinful nature is, is when that you allow that

683
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:54.240
lie that you learnt in your darkness to trump what God says is true about you.

684
00:55:54.240 --> 00:55:59.240
That's the sinful nature right there. When God says, when Jesus says in John

685
00:55:59.240 --> 00:56:05.720
17 22, I have given you the same glory, the same identity that the

686
00:56:05.720 --> 00:56:09.560
Father gave me, the same nature, the same identity, the same substance, the same

687
00:56:09.560 --> 00:56:15.680
value, the same essence that the Father gave me, I have given you. And then you

688
00:56:15.680 --> 00:56:20.080
allow the lie that you learnt in your abuse, the lie that you learnt in

689
00:56:20.080 --> 00:56:24.000
your failure, the lie that you learnt in your childhood, that if you allow that

690
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:29.720
lie to trump the truth that God says about you, that lie in you becomes the

691
00:56:29.720 --> 00:56:39.200
sinful nature. But the whole point of Colossians 2 and Romans 6

692
00:56:39.200 --> 00:56:43.040
that talk about the sinful nature, everything that they say about the

693
00:56:43.040 --> 00:56:46.800
sinful nature is what we're supposed to take from the revelation of the cross,

694
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.640
right? What you're supposed to see in the cross is that anything to do with a

695
00:56:51.640 --> 00:56:56.200
false identity is being put to death in the cross. Now, how does a false identity

696
00:56:56.200 --> 00:57:01.080
get put to death? In the presence of the truth, in the presence of the

697
00:57:01.080 --> 00:57:05.640
greatest revelation of truth that there's ever been, which is the cross. The

698
00:57:05.640 --> 00:57:10.400
cross is the greatest revelation of the nature of God. And in the revelation of

699
00:57:10.400 --> 00:57:15.640
the nature of God is the revelation of our own identity. So in the cross, what do

700
00:57:15.640 --> 00:57:20.120
you have? The greatest revelation that humanity has ever had of the nature of

701
00:57:20.120 --> 00:57:24.600
God. Simultaneously, the greatest revelation of our own identity we've

702
00:57:24.600 --> 00:57:30.240
ever had, which is what? We are love. We are exclusively defined by God. We're

703
00:57:30.240 --> 00:57:35.080
made in His image. This is who we are. And so how does that put to death

704
00:57:35.080 --> 00:57:39.680
the sinful nature? When you come into agreement with the truth that the

705
00:57:39.680 --> 00:57:44.320
cross declares. The cross is powerful because of the revelation that it

706
00:57:44.600 --> 00:57:49.760
carries. The blood is powerful because of the revelation that it carries.

707
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:55.200
Right? The cross is powerful. The blood is powerful because of the revelation

708
00:57:55.200 --> 00:57:59.760
that they carry. And when you come into and you see the cross, you see the

709
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:03.680
revelation it carries. You see the blood. You see the revelation it carries. Then

710
00:58:03.680 --> 00:58:08.720
you come into intimate experiential awareness. You come into an intimate

711
00:58:08.720 --> 00:58:13.080
experience and an intimate knowledge of that truth. Boom! When you come into

712
00:58:13.160 --> 00:58:17.480
an intimate knowledge of the revelation, that truth that it declares that you are

713
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:21.800
exclusively defined by God. This is who you are. When you come into that

714
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:28.040
revelation, then what happens is freedom just breaks out in your life like crazy.

715
00:58:28.040 --> 00:58:33.080
And what happens to the sinful nature? Gone. Like, you know, but gone but not

716
00:58:33.080 --> 00:58:40.040
gone. Right? Because the sinful nature. So you've got a truth, right? The

717
00:58:40.040 --> 00:58:43.400
present reality of the truth and what the cross declares and what Paul was

718
00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:48.120
writing about in Colossians 2 and Romans 6. What he's writing about is he said

719
00:58:48.120 --> 00:58:53.240
the sinful nature. This is how he writes about it, which is kind of crazy.

720
00:58:53.240 --> 00:58:57.800
He said the sinful nature has been circumcised from you. And what is the

721
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:02.440
sinful nature? Every false identity that you've ever come to agreement with

722
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:08.840
from God's perspective, it's irrelevant. From God's perspective of you is that

723
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:13.000
you are perfect. Everything of the sinful nature. Remember, the sinful nature

724
00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:17.640
is every false identity that you've ever come into agreement with. Every lie

725
00:59:17.640 --> 00:59:21.640
that you've ever believed that has brought identity to you or value to you

726
00:59:21.640 --> 00:59:25.240
and definition of who you are. Every lie that you've ever believed about

727
00:59:25.240 --> 00:59:30.520
yourself, that's what the sinful nature is. And Paul says it has been circumcised

728
00:59:30.520 --> 00:59:34.280
from you. What's he saying about it? He's saying you're now exclusively

729
00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:39.080
defined by Christ. Nothing that's ever happened in your life defines you.

730
00:59:39.080 --> 00:59:43.160
Nothing has any authority to define you. The only thing that has authority to

731
00:59:43.160 --> 00:59:48.360
define you is the truth manifest on the cross. The truth manifests in Christ.

732
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:53.000
The truth is the only thing that defines you. So stop coming into agreement.

733
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:57.800
That's why Paul says count yourself dead to sin. What does that even mean?

734
00:59:57.800 --> 00:59:58.920
Count yourself dead to sin.

735
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.040
to every life, count yourself dead to every accusation.

736
01:00:03.040 --> 01:00:05.600
Count yourself dead to every lie you learned in abuse.

737
01:00:05.600 --> 01:00:07.120
Every lie you learned in failure.

738
01:00:07.120 --> 01:00:10.080
Every lie you learned wherever you learned it,

739
01:00:10.080 --> 01:00:13.920
count yourself dead to every accusation and alive in Christ.

740
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:17.040
So what he's saying is you should treat the sinful nature.

741
01:00:17.040 --> 01:00:20.080
You should treat the lies that people tell you about yourself.

742
01:00:20.080 --> 01:00:22.800
You should treat the lies that you believe about yourself

743
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.560
like the sinful nature.

744
01:00:24.560 --> 01:00:27.920
And this is the crazy thing about it, he makes it disgusting.

745
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:33.360
He says the sinful nature has been circumcised from you, right?

746
01:00:33.360 --> 01:00:34.320
This is graphic.

747
01:00:35.520 --> 01:00:37.360
Circumcision is a graphic thing, right?

748
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:39.120
It's gross.

749
01:00:39.120 --> 01:00:40.560
I don't know why they were so into it.

750
01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:43.200
I don't know why God was so into it.

751
01:00:43.200 --> 01:00:43.760
It's weird.

752
01:00:46.160 --> 01:00:47.600
We have to have a chat about that one day.

753
01:00:47.600 --> 01:00:49.600
But I'm like, dude, why not an ear piercing?

754
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.840
You can imagine Moses goes home and circumcises the whole household.

755
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.560
You try and do that nowadays to your workers, you get in big trouble.

756
01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:14.160
So circumcision, right?

757
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:18.640
The way he defines and describes the sinful nature

758
01:01:18.640 --> 01:01:21.520
is the leftovers of circumcision that have been buried.

759
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:33.760
So he's saying, stop going back and digging up the leftovers of circumcision

760
01:01:33.760 --> 01:01:36.800
and dressing up in them like that's your identity, because it's not.

761
01:01:39.040 --> 01:01:39.840
It's gross.

762
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.040
So he is saying that the sinful nature is disgusting.

763
01:01:44.160 --> 01:01:48.880
It's like, don't go to the grave and dig up the lies.

764
01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:53.840
Don't go to the grave and dig up the lies and dress up in them and let them define you.

765
01:01:54.880 --> 01:01:57.200
Don't adorn yourself in lies.

766
01:01:57.200 --> 01:01:58.560
Don't wear those lies.

767
01:01:58.560 --> 01:02:00.560
Those lies are disgusting.

768
01:02:00.560 --> 01:02:02.080
Why would you wear that disgust?

769
01:02:02.080 --> 01:02:06.080
Why would you go to the grave and dig up the leftovers of circumcision and dress up in it

770
01:02:07.040 --> 01:02:11.760
when you're exclusively defined by Christ, when you're clothed in righteousness?

771
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:12.800
Don't go doing that.

772
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:14.160
That's craziness.

773
01:02:15.120 --> 01:02:19.680
And so the whole theme is the renewing of your mind.

774
01:02:20.240 --> 01:02:24.400
Be transformed, be transfigured by the renewing of your mind.

775
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:25.280
And what is that?

776
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:29.280
It's exactly the same thing that they had through the Old Testament.

777
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:36.880
That's why Isaiah 26, 3 said, he will keep in shalom, shalom, him who has a steadfast mind.

778
01:02:38.080 --> 01:02:38.400
Right?

779
01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:42.800
And the word steadfast there, the word mind is yitza,

780
01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:49.920
but the word steadfast actually means to lay down on a rock that is stronger than yourself.

781
01:02:52.240 --> 01:02:52.560
Right?

782
01:02:52.560 --> 01:03:01.600
So you lay down your own definition of reality on something stronger, right?

783
01:03:01.600 --> 01:03:02.720
You lay it down.

784
01:03:02.720 --> 01:03:07.280
He who has a steadfast mind, and what do they do with their mind that's laid down?

785
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.080
They lay down their own definition of reality.

786
01:03:10.080 --> 01:03:11.520
They lay down their own lies.

787
01:03:11.600 --> 01:03:16.480
They lay down their own perspective on a rock that is stronger,

788
01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:18.880
and they trust in God for their identity.

789
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:20.720
They trust in God for their reality.

790
01:03:20.720 --> 01:03:24.800
They trust in God for his word to define them.

791
01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:29.360
And he said, if you do that, you walk in shalom, even in the Old Testament.

792
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:29.920
And what is it?

793
01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:32.480
It's the renewed mind in the Old Testament.

794
01:03:32.480 --> 01:03:35.360
It's truth in the Old Testament that sets people free there.

795
01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:42.080
So it's always been the same concept of what sets people free.

796
01:03:42.720 --> 01:03:44.000
It's always been Jesus.

797
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:51.520
It's always been relationship with God and an intimate experiential relationship with God

798
01:03:51.520 --> 01:03:54.400
that sets people free all the way through, right from the beginning.

799
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:00.400
So I think I see.

800
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:04.160
There we go.

801
01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:08.480
Benji, can I just ask you, so your old man is then actually the orphan?

802
01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:12.080
The old man and the sinful nature are the same thing.

803
01:04:13.520 --> 01:04:15.920
It's the whole same entity.

804
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:16.400
Yeah.

805
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:17.920
So that's the orphan mindset.

806
01:04:19.600 --> 01:04:20.720
Yeah, that's all the same thing.

807
01:04:20.720 --> 01:04:27.600
It's lies, the orphan mindset, the old man, the sinful nature, the sinful mind.

808
01:04:27.600 --> 01:04:28.640
It's all the same thing.

809
01:04:28.640 --> 01:04:29.520
It's all lies.

810
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:32.080
That's what they're referring to.

811
01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:34.800
What is the process of renewing your mind?

812
01:04:36.160 --> 01:04:40.640
What's the very first thing that Jesus said when he started his ministry?

813
01:04:40.640 --> 01:04:42.080
Repent, right?

814
01:04:42.080 --> 01:04:46.720
And repent does not mean do a 180 and stop sinning.

815
01:04:46.720 --> 01:04:53.600
Repent is the Greek word metanoia, which means change the way you think or renew your mind.

816
01:04:53.600 --> 01:04:55.440
It's the very first thing that Jesus said.

817
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:57.120
He's like, guys, renew your minds.

818
01:04:57.120 --> 01:04:57.680
Why?

819
01:04:57.680 --> 01:05:00.240
Renew your minds because the kingdom of heaven.

820
01:05:00.000 --> 01:05:01.400
is at hand.

821
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:03.960
Renew your minds because you can have heaven on earth

822
01:05:03.960 --> 01:05:04.800
right now.

823
01:05:04.800 --> 01:05:07.840
Renew your minds because you can live in heaven right now.

824
01:05:07.840 --> 01:05:10.880
Renew your minds because your mind is the very thing

825
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:13.880
that's holding you back from stepping into the full measure

826
01:05:13.880 --> 01:05:16.600
of heaven on earth, which is available right now.

827
01:05:16.600 --> 01:05:18.320
That's the very first thing he said.

828
01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:21.120
Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand

829
01:05:21.120 --> 01:05:21.960
within your grasp.

830
01:05:21.960 --> 01:05:23.680
It's right here and now,

831
01:05:23.680 --> 01:05:25.920
and you can step into the full measure.

832
01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:26.960
Was he tricking them?

833
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:28.720
Was he joking?

834
01:05:28.720 --> 01:05:31.000
Because he said that before the cross, or did he mean it?

835
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.000
Was it truth then?

836
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:33.840
Was it truth?

837
01:05:33.840 --> 01:05:35.760
Was he speaking the truth when he said,

838
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:40.040
repent, change the way you think,

839
01:05:40.040 --> 01:05:42.800
and what is changing the way you think?

840
01:05:42.800 --> 01:05:45.880
It all is exactly the same as being born from above, right?

841
01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.160
It's, hey guys, you need to be born from above.

842
01:05:48.160 --> 01:05:49.000
You need to repent.

843
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:53.200
You need to exchange these low level ways of thinking.

844
01:05:53.200 --> 01:05:56.160
You need to exchange all these lies that are defining you.

845
01:05:56.160 --> 01:05:57.440
You need to exchange all these lies

846
01:05:57.440 --> 01:05:58.520
that define your reality.

847
01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:00.600
You need to exchange all these lies

848
01:06:00.600 --> 01:06:02.920
for a truth that comes from my father,

849
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:04.520
from a heavenly dimension,

850
01:06:04.520 --> 01:06:07.120
so that you can leave behind this orphan existence.

851
01:06:07.120 --> 01:06:09.240
You can leave behind this darkness,

852
01:06:09.240 --> 01:06:11.880
and you can step into the kingdom of light,

853
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:13.840
and you can participate here and now.

854
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:15.200
You can see the kingdom.

855
01:06:15.200 --> 01:06:16.840
You can experience the kingdom.

856
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:18.240
You can taste the kingdom.

857
01:06:18.240 --> 01:06:20.320
You can walk into the fullness of the kingdom

858
01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:23.480
right here and now, but you have to renew your mind.

859
01:06:26.080 --> 01:06:28.000
So what do you have to renew your mind about?

860
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:29.280
Everything.

861
01:06:30.200 --> 01:06:31.680
It's 2 Corinthians 10, five.

862
01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:33.080
What do you have to renew your mind about?

863
01:06:33.080 --> 01:06:34.640
Everything.

864
01:06:34.640 --> 01:06:39.640
We demolish strongholds and arguments, right?

865
01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.920
And we take captive every thought.

866
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:43.760
What do you mean every thought?

867
01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.320
Every thought you've ever had.

868
01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.760
Every thought you've ever had

869
01:06:49.760 --> 01:06:51.880
that isn't in agreement with truth.

870
01:06:51.880 --> 01:06:53.680
You've got to take captive every thought

871
01:06:53.680 --> 01:06:56.120
and make it obedient to Christ, the word.

872
01:06:56.520 --> 01:06:57.440
Christ, the word of God.

873
01:06:57.440 --> 01:06:58.280
Christ, the truth.

874
01:06:58.280 --> 01:07:01.480
You've got to make every thought obedient to the truth.

875
01:07:03.920 --> 01:07:04.760
Yeah.

876
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:06.720
Sound good?

877
01:07:08.080 --> 01:07:09.760
Is that making sense for you?

878
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:18.680
Adri, give me a-

879
01:07:18.680 --> 01:07:19.520
Thank you.

880
01:07:19.520 --> 01:07:21.920
Yes, 100%.

881
01:07:21.920 --> 01:07:23.480
Cool.

882
01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:24.320
So I guess,

883
01:07:28.080 --> 01:07:32.200
the whole point of Jesus' ministry is like, that's it.

884
01:07:32.200 --> 01:07:33.640
I mean, he nailed it right there.

885
01:07:33.640 --> 01:07:36.520
He's like, you've got to renew your mind, guys,

886
01:07:36.520 --> 01:07:39.320
so we can have heaven on earth right now.

887
01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.000
All right, let's do it.

888
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:42.360
That's his first conversation.

889
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:43.600
All right, let's renew our minds.

890
01:07:43.600 --> 01:07:45.400
Let's get heaven on earth going now.

891
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:46.960
Let's go.

892
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:47.800
And what did they do?

893
01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:49.680
Well, then they just started stepping into it, you know?

894
01:07:49.680 --> 01:07:50.880
So people started listening to it.

895
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:51.840
They started seeing breakthrough.

896
01:07:51.840 --> 01:07:53.000
They started seeing freedom.

897
01:07:53.840 --> 01:07:58.840
People are being forgiven, transformed, delivered, set free.

898
01:07:58.960 --> 01:07:59.800
It's all on.

899
01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:00.960
It's all happening there.

900
01:08:07.760 --> 01:08:09.000
Yeah, so.

901
01:08:10.240 --> 01:08:11.080
All right, now-

902
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Thank you.

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Oh, you're very welcome.

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Really, really good questions.

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Those are juicy, good questions.

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So, right.

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Now, have we got, can anyone see?

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I think we just covered that one, but there.

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I realize how amazing my journey's been.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right, so can anyone just see if anyone's got a question

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or if there's.

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Anything else there?

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Hello, Jennifer, welcome.

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I see you and Jemima, welcome.

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And Manbod, welcome.

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Sonya, Gail, Dorothy.

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Very cool.

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A few new cats there.

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Okay, so has anyone, have I missed some questions?

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Can anyone point me out if I've missed a question?

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I'm just looking through the chats.

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I don't think I've missed one there.

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And I'm just checking out the group.

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Otherwise, if you've got a question, then jump on board.

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Anyone got a question there?

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Oh, at least we've got a few.

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Oh, okay. Here you go. Andrea's question. Oh, okay. So, okay. Right. Here we go. That's

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a good one. Now, you're doing something. Okay. So, whose question was this? Andrea's question?

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Is no one unsaved? Where's Andrea? Oh, okay. Andrea's not there, but is she, maybe she's

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in the, she was in here before, eh? Okay. So, this is going to be a good question, right?

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Okay. So, who's wondering if what I'm saying is, is this universalism, right? Is this just,

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is just, is Benji just saying like, everyone's saved? What are you guys, what are you guys

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thinking? Like what? So, okay. So, the church is absolutely paranoid about this concept

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of universalism. Okay. And there's more than one type of universalism. So, you just want

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to be aware of that. Okay. When you, but people don't always make a distinction about the

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types of universalism. Okay. So, some things are universal. There's a lot of things that

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are universal in the Bible. So, anytime you see the word world, it's the Greek word kosmos,

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it's pretty much universal. Okay. So, so you can't, you can't just like have a, you can't

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have a problem with the word universal. Are we okay there? I see some funny faces happening

942
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in the Zoom. We're okay? Yep. Okay. So, so the concept of universal, what is universal?

943
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What isn't universal? Okay. So, I'll give you a little bit of a like real quick history

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lesson is in the second great awakening, right? One of the things that happened in the second

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great awakening was there was a group called the Unitarians. Okay. The Unitarians were

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birthed out of, you know, they really got famous during the second great awakening and

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one of their doctrines became universalism. Okay. So, what Unitarian, so the Unitarian church ended

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up having this concept of a Christless salvation. Okay. So, they were like, yeah, no, no, no,

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it doesn't matter. Christ isn't important in salvation. You can get salvation kind of anywhere,

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like, you know, whatever you like, you know, anything will lead you to Christ. Okay. So,

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that was Unitarian universalism. And so people got really freaked out about this concept of

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Unitarian universalism. And they thought that anytime someone mentioned something universal,

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that they were referring to Unitarian universalism, which is a Christless salvation.

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So, I am a hundred percent not okay with a Christless salvation. That's ridiculous. You know,

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the truth will set you free. Christ is the truth. This is everything we're talking about is Christ

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centric. Jesus is the core, the center of everything we're talking about. So,

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so you can scrap the idea or the fear of Unitarian universalism of us talking about

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anything apart from a Christ filled salvation, Christ filled salvation. We're not talking about

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anything outside of that. So, forget that if you were thinking, is this, this terrible concept of

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a Christless salvation? No one is talking about that here. All right. So, no one here is talking

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about that. No one here is interested in that. No one here is supporting that. That is straight

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out craziness to imagine a Christless salvation. That is not us. We're not about that. So, you can

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scrap that. That's as far from us as anything. Okay. So, put that away. And now that we've put

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that away, we can address the concept of what is universal in the Bible. Okay. So, the concept of

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universal things happening in the Bible, guess where they start? Genesis 1. Okay. It starts in

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Genesis 1, where God says, let us make man in our image, humanity. Okay. That was it. That was,

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that was, God started the conversation of, of a universal conversation right in the beginning.

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We said, let us make man in our image. Okay. So, what does that mean? That means that humanity,

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humanity traces their whakapapa or their genealogy, their descendancy back to where? Back to God.

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All of us trace our descendancy back to God. We're made in the image of God. God is, so,

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when it comes to universalism, God started that conversation in Genesis 1, where he said,

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let us make mankind in our image. So, all of mankind has been made in the image of God.

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All right. God, right at the beginning, was the father of humanity.

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Now, there wasn't a point where God has stopped being the father of humanity,

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where he's like, no, no, I've unfathered you. I have unsung you. I've unfathered humanity.

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God did not unfather anyone. Now, it's a big mistake to think that the fall changed God.

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You think that the fall changed God? You think that every time someone sins,

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God has an emotional breakdown? The fall did not change God. The fall changed humanity,

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all right? And the fall changed humanity because we were darkened in our own understanding. We

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were darkened in our own mind. After the fall, we went deeper into a futile mind. We went deeper.

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And so in that context, you can say, yes, humanity went into the sinful nature after the fall. They

982
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were plunged deeper into the sinful nature after the fall. What? We were plunged into our own dark

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imaginings, our own false beliefs, our own false identities, our own shame. We were plunged into

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this world of darkness in our own minds, right? In our own minds, we were plunged into darkness

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at the fall. But not all people that have ever lived have just stayed in that place. If you look

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at humanity throughout history, people have all been in different places in their level of

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revelation. That's why it's so important to note that, you know, in the Old Testament, it's really

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important to highlight, okay? We cannot underestimate the significance of highlighting

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the reality of what it was like in the Old Testament. There were countless righteous people

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in the Old Testament. There were countless amazing prophets. There were countless people who walked

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in Shalom. There were countless people who walked in intimacy. There were countless people who heard

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from God. There were countless people who lived in Shalom. And Shalom, remember, that's the Hebrew

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word for salvation. There was countless people who walked in there, all right? So it's really

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important just to identify, yes, we've had the sinful nature, but what is the sinful nature? It's the

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lies we believe about ourselves, but not everyone stayed there. Not everyone in the Old Testament

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just believed every lie, you know? And here's how you can tell, is because when you

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believe a lie about yourself, it produces shame, right? And when you have shame within yourself,

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shame and self-hatred, they always drive you into isolation from God. They always drive

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us into isolation from God. Shame and self-hatred drive us into darkness. Like Adam and Eve, they

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ran away from God and hid in the bushes. That's what shame always does for us. But what does truth do?

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Truth destroys shame of your life. And that's why in John 17, 22, it's such an important verse, because

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he said, I have given you the same glory that the Father gave me. For what purpose? Intimacy. Because

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if you think you're defined by anything else other than made in the image of God, if you come to the

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conclusion that you are defined by anything else except the glory of God, you will

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become the genesis of your own separation. You will separate. It won't be God pushing you away, it's always

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us running away from God. So yes, we had sin and separation after the fall, because that was our

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own defiled corrupt minds pushing us away from God. So yes, we had that in a big way. But what

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is universal? So the first thing we have to know from Genesis 1 is that the first thing that's

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universal in the Bible is God is the father of humanity, all humanity. And he never takes that,

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he never stops that. And humanity, he never says, okay, you're not my kids anymore.

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There's not one point where he's like, okay, this is not working, you know, I'm done on you.

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Well, you know, there's a couple of moments where he's pretty fed up with the Israelites,

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but he never unfathers humanity, okay? He never unfathers humanity. And that's really, really,

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really important to note. And one of the, and I will always come back to this, because it's Jesus'

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greatest revelation of the gospel. The time that Jesus gives the best articulation of the gospel

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is Luke 15, the story of the good father, right? That is the gospel. It's the best, most beautiful,

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most wonderful gospel, okay? So what we have in Luke 15 is, it's, Luke 15 is really interesting

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because it's about a lost coin, a lost sheep, and a lost son. And the Greek word for lost is the word

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perisos, okay? And that word perisos, it means, it's the same word that we get perished from,

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okay? It's lostness, it's, you're perishing, you're lost. And so,

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we're talking about God being the father of humanity, is God still the father of all the

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people who are lost, who are perishing? Right? Is God still the father? And so Luke 15 is all about

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addressing that. Is God still the father of people even when they are lost? And the answer is yes,

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he's still their father. So it's not a question of, you know, are you still a son or not a son?

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That Western Christianity has said that God unfathered everyone, right? That everyone

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lost their sonship or lost their identity. And I talked about this a lot yesterday.

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They take John 1 12, which to those who believe God gave the right to become sons,

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and they actually take that whole John 1 chapter out of context and they make like,

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okay, this is the evidence right here that God was not, you know, God had unfathered humanity.

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But that's actually not even a good translation of that. But it should say more like God gave the,

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for those who came into agreement, for those that realized they were sons, for those that

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came into agreement with that, for those that believed, right? For those that believed the

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truth about their identity, he gave the ability, or rather the truth gives the ability to walk in

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your sonship, to walk in your identity. And John 1, if you look at that before that, he's already

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said he came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. So you can already see

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that he's not talking about people he's put away. He's talking about people he already views as his

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own. And John 1 is an extremely universal book too. He comes to, you know, in the beginning was

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the word and the word was with God and the word was God. He was the light of the world, the light

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heart of every man. So universal dynamics, what you have to understand is that God has always been

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the father of humanity. And we never lost our sonship. We never lost our father. We lost ourselves.

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And we lost ourselves in our own darkness. And we lost ourselves in our own minds. We lost

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ourselves in our own false identities. Yes, we were lost. But was, was all humanity lost like

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that? Was all the Old Testament lost like that? No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. Lots of people

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were lost, but not everyone, you know, like lots of people got the revelation of God's love. God

1045
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had relationship with lots, thousands and thousands of people through the Old Testament that had

1046
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righteous, that walked in righteousness, had relationship with him. So Paul, when Paul preaches

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the gospel, this is why Paul preaches the gospel. And I, we have to always go back to this because

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we're so entrenched in a Western gospel that tries to call the world sinners

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and tries to call the world, you know, like, wow, they're the bad ones, but it's not like that for

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God. So love the cosmos. God has always been the father of humanity. So here's the question that

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they asked is, is everyone, is everyone saved? No, no. What does saved look like? Saved is the Greek word

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again, sozo, nothing missing, nothing broken. And it's the same as the word shalom. Is everyone

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walking in shalom? Is everyone walking in the fullness of divine design? No, that's crazy.

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Absolutely not. Does everyone have it? But is the truth true? Now that's another question. Is the truth

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true? Are they walking in, is it, why aren't they walking in shalom? They aren't walking in shalom

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because it's Romans 3.23. They have missed the mark. They're living outside of their identity.

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The whole point of Romans 3.23 is you can't live outside of your identity if it's not already your

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identity. You can't live outside of your identity if it's not already your identity.

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You can't live outside of, you can't, you can't be called, you know, it cannot be said of you

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that you're a sinner if, you know, in the context of Romans 3.23, which means they missed the mark,

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you can't miss the mark of living in, I hope you're catching me, catching what I'm saying here.

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You cannot miss the mark and live outside of your identity if you don't already have an identity.

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You can't be missing the mark of living outside of the glory, outside of the doxa, if the doxa is

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not already your identity. The doxa is already your identity. The only reason that we can miss

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the mark of living in the glory is because the glory is our identity. That's the only way that

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we can even be sinners, right? That's the only way that we can even sin. The only way that we

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can live outside of our identity is if we already have.

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an identity and we already have an identity and Jesus and Paul and Genesis 1 are all about

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the fact that you were made in the image of God before you were born. Ephesians 1, before

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the foundation of the world. You were set apart, pre-designed to be set holy and blameless in his

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sight. So you have, um, what do we have? What do we have? What do we have? Yeah, you can't live

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outside of your identity unless you already have one. Okay. So that's the thing where if you're

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going to go and try and call someone a sinner, which I don't suggest you do by the way, right?

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It's not a good idea to go and call someone a sinner because you're prophesying a false identity

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over them. Right? Why are they sinning? Because they don't believe who they already are. So if

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you go and prophesy that they're sinners, what are you doing? You're embedding a lie in their

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subconscious that will bear fruit of sin if they believe you. So, uh,

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what's the next thing we're talking about universal salvation. So what we, when like, you know, like,

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no, people aren't all saved. That's craziness. So salvation is not a universal thing, but some

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other things are right. Like the truth is universal. The fatherhood of God, God's fatherhood

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over humanity is universal. Humanity's sonship is universal. Truth is universal. Humanity's

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identity is universal. All right. And humanity's inclusion in God is universal. And that's why

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Paul preaches. We have to go back to this again at chapter 17, 27, 28, where Paul preaches the

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gospel. It's the best, you know, like Luke 15 is the best moment when Jesus preaches the gospel

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at 17 is the best moment with Paul preaches the gospel. So we, you have to understand the city.

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It is the Arapagos in Athens. It's Greek people. Now these people were famous for insane levels of

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wickedness, right? They were famous for having temples where you have sex with animals to

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worship gods. They are not good. Like they're not what we would say wholesome folk. They

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celebrated pedophilia in the Greek society. All right. These people are messed up. They were

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sacrificing blood sacrifices to demons. They'd never heard the gospel. They were messed up

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people. Okay. So Paul's speaking, speaking to a really, really messed up group of people.

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And while he's speaking to them, that's, you know, he, let me read it out to you.

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I'll read it out the whole of Acts 17 in 27, 28.

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So this is Paul preaching to these guys. They've never heard the gospel. They're not,

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you know, they're totally unrepentant. And here's how he, how he preaches. He says,

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God did this so that those who would seek him, God did this so that they would seek him and

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01:28:24.160 --> 01:28:30.560
perhaps reach out to him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. All right. First

1098
01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:38.080
point there, he is not far from any one of us. Does that oppose the Western gospel that says

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01:28:38.080 --> 01:28:42.640
that, you know, there's these two clips, one is God on one side, a man on the other side,

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01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:48.480
and the cross had to come to separate, to bridge the gap between you. That is not just a small

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01:28:48.480 --> 01:28:56.160
thing. That is that preaching that gospel is a direct opposite, exact opposite of what Paul

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01:28:56.160 --> 01:29:02.320
preached. It's not, it's not a small thing. It's an exact opposite, right? Which makes it a blatant

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01:29:02.320 --> 01:29:09.760
lie. If it's the exact opposite of what Paul preached, it makes it a terrible lie, a hideous

1104
01:29:09.760 --> 01:29:16.000
lie that's embedded in the mainstream church, which is fueling the orphan illusion, fueling

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01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:22.720
all of our own dysfunction. So the Western gospel says, you know, you're separate from God and that

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01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:27.760
needs to be fixed. Paul says, he's not far from any one of us. And then he goes all next level

1107
01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:37.440
and says, for in him, we live and move and have our being. What is that? Paul is just saying to

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01:29:37.440 --> 01:29:43.280
these people who are famous for pedophilia, who are famous for having sex with animals to worship

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01:29:43.280 --> 01:29:49.600
Greek gods, who were famous for idolatry and famous for all these wicked things. He's saying

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to those people, he's not far from any one of us. In fact, in him, we live and move and have our

1111
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.920
being. What is he doing? He's like, you are already as in as inconvenient.

1112
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And then he goes next level and he says, as some of your own poets have said, we are his

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01:30:06.920 --> 01:30:07.920
offspring.

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01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:08.920
We are his children.

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Therefore, since we are God's children, we should not think that the divine being is

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01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:23.480
like all the idols and he goes on, but he's saying, God's your father, you're his kids.

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01:30:23.480 --> 01:30:27.800
So he's saying these are present realities.

1118
01:30:27.800 --> 01:30:31.720
So he speaks to people who have no concept of what he's even talking about.

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01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:34.840
He says, look, you are as in as in can be.

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01:30:34.840 --> 01:30:36.720
You are as one as one can be.

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01:30:36.720 --> 01:30:38.440
You are as loved as love can be.

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01:30:38.440 --> 01:30:40.320
You are as son as a son can be.

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01:30:40.320 --> 01:30:41.640
What is the Western gospel say?

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01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:42.640
The exact opposite.

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You're a sinner.

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01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:44.640
You're separated from God.

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Jesus came to rescue you from that.

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Right.

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01:30:46.640 --> 01:30:47.640
And Paul's like, what?

1130
01:30:47.640 --> 01:30:48.640
I never preached that.

1131
01:30:48.640 --> 01:30:49.640
I never said people were sinners.

1132
01:30:49.640 --> 01:30:50.640
I never said people were separate from God.

1133
01:30:50.640 --> 01:30:51.640
That's ridiculous.

1134
01:30:51.640 --> 01:30:52.640
It's a total lie.

1135
01:30:52.640 --> 01:31:01.840
If you had Paul contending with these people who would say, where did you find that in

1136
01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:02.840
my gospel?

1137
01:31:02.840 --> 01:31:05.840
Where did you find that in the epistles that I write?

1138
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:07.840
Where did you find that in the messages I preach?

1139
01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:11.360
Where did you find that in the gospel that I laid my life down for you?

1140
01:31:11.360 --> 01:31:15.040
Well, not, you won't find it in Jesus gospel either.

1141
01:31:15.040 --> 01:31:19.040
He's saying, so that's what Paul is talking about.

1142
01:31:19.040 --> 01:31:25.520
A universal inclusion of humanity, a universal sonship of humanity.

1143
01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:35.520
But then what happens, right, is some of those people believe, so verse 32, when they heard

1144
01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:40.240
about the resurrection from the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, we want

1145
01:31:40.240 --> 01:31:45.480
to hear more from on this subject at that Paul left the council, some of the people

1146
01:31:45.480 --> 01:31:48.440
became followers of Paul and believed.

1147
01:31:48.440 --> 01:31:49.440
Okay.

1148
01:31:49.440 --> 01:31:52.840
So some of them became followers and believed.

1149
01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:58.760
And what happened to the ones that believed their lives were transformed.

1150
01:31:58.760 --> 01:32:01.000
They got rocked by the gospel.

1151
01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:07.080
What happened to those that didn't believe the gospel, nothing, nothing happened, no

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01:32:07.080 --> 01:32:08.080
change.

1153
01:32:08.080 --> 01:32:09.080
They stayed in their lostness.

1154
01:32:09.080 --> 01:32:12.080
They stayed in the darkness, nothing changed.

1155
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Why?

1156
01:32:13.080 --> 01:32:17.200
Because he said, you will know the truth, you'll have intimate experiential knowledge

1157
01:32:17.200 --> 01:32:20.200
of the truth and the truth will set you free.

1158
01:32:20.200 --> 01:32:25.640
And so for the people who came into agreement with the truth, boom, they were totally liberated.

1159
01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:35.080
Now did it, were they sons before they believed or after they believed?

1160
01:32:35.080 --> 01:32:36.080
Were they sons?

1161
01:32:36.080 --> 01:32:46.920
Did Paul say they were children before or after they believed before they believe, right?

1162
01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:49.880
How can you believe something, right?

1163
01:32:49.880 --> 01:32:56.680
How can you preach a message if it's not true, Paul and Jesus, they weren't, they were preaching

1164
01:32:56.680 --> 01:33:02.120
a truth that was true before we believe that the gospel is the truth before we believe

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it.

1166
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We can't have faith in something that's not already true.

1167
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If we're saying, if faith is the thing that, you know, that lights, that empowers the truth,

1168
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we can't have faith in a thing unless it's already true to begin with.

1169
01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:23.200
It's only because your identity is already set before the foundation of the world that

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01:33:23.200 --> 01:33:25.800
you can have faith that's who you are.

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01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:29.360
It's only because the truth is the truth before we believe it, that we can have faith in the

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01:33:29.360 --> 01:33:33.840
truth and believe it.

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01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:38.840
So what's universal, the fatherhood of God is universal.

1174
01:33:38.840 --> 01:33:40.960
The sonship of humanity is universal.

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01:33:40.960 --> 01:33:41.960
The truth is universal.

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01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:50.960
As everyone's saying, no, that's ridiculous because yeah, you have to believe it, right?

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01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:52.960
Give me one second.

1178
01:33:52.960 --> 01:33:55.960
I'm going to, I've just got to sort of thing up one second.

1179
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Be back.

1180
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Life is good, we're all okay.

1181
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:41.960
All right, cool.

1182
01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:44.960
So, is that helping?

1183
01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:46.960
Is that good info?

1184
01:34:50.960 --> 01:34:51.960
Cool.

1185
01:34:51.960 --> 01:34:57.960
So basically what I'm saying is the Western gospel is not slightly off.

1186
01:34:57.960 --> 01:34:59.960
The foundations of the...

1187
01:35:00.000 --> 01:35:10.240
Eastern Gospel are exactly opposed to what Paul's message was.

1188
01:35:10.240 --> 01:35:15.840
If you are trying to tell people that if you believe you will be a son, that is the exact

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01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:19.960
opposite to what Paul preached, the exact opposite to what Jesus preached.

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01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:29.080
If you try to tell people that if they believe, then they can become a son, if they believe,

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01:35:29.080 --> 01:35:30.080
then God will love them.

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01:35:30.080 --> 01:35:33.800
If they believe, they can have intimacy with God.

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01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:38.960
What that does is that just sets people up for performance-based identity, performance-based

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01:35:38.960 --> 01:35:45.240
acceptance and performance-based intimacy, which, put your hand up if you've known that.

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01:35:45.240 --> 01:35:53.400
Every single Christian that I have ever met in my life, apart from maybe one, and that

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01:35:53.400 --> 01:36:01.040
was only after they had a radical encounter, has struggled, ridiculously struggled with

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performance-based acceptance, performance-based identity and performance-based intimacy.

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Why?

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Why is this the situation, why is this the normal for hundreds of millions, billions

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of Christians?

1201
01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:16.960
Why is that the normal?

1202
01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:22.680
It's because when you get born, like when you step into something, like if you're born

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01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:28.760
in through an orphan gospel, you're going to have an orphan existence.

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01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:37.520
Whereas if you step in and people are telling you from the very beginning that you're, you

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01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:40.520
know, made in the image of God, it makes a big difference.

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01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:43.520
But here's something that we have to say as well about salvation, okay?

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01:36:43.520 --> 01:36:45.520
Put your hand up if you're saved.

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Yeah, put your hand up if you're saved.

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01:36:48.520 --> 01:36:51.520
Go, yes, yes, yes, that's me, I'm saved, I'm saved.

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01:36:52.360 --> 01:36:56.360
I'll just check, I'll just check the Facebook group again.

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Okay, so everyone's putting their hands up for being saved, that's good.

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01:37:05.360 --> 01:37:12.360
Okay, so, hey Elise, can you just approve anyone who's wanting to get acceptance into

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01:37:12.360 --> 01:37:14.360
the Facebook group?

1214
01:37:15.200 --> 01:37:24.200
Um, I can't actually find, funny, I can't see the live streaming in the group.

1215
01:37:24.200 --> 01:37:28.200
It'll be streaming, but I have.

1216
01:37:32.200 --> 01:37:35.200
Anyone, anyone in the group got questions?

1217
01:37:35.200 --> 01:37:36.200
Just chuck them down here.

1218
01:37:36.200 --> 01:37:38.200
Oh sweet, I see Andrea's there watching the group.

1219
01:37:38.200 --> 01:37:39.200
She had a question.

1220
01:37:39.200 --> 01:37:42.200
So Andrea, was that good for you, your question before?

1221
01:37:43.040 --> 01:37:45.040
I hope that was helpful.

1222
01:37:45.040 --> 01:37:50.040
So, um, so you guys are all saved, that's good news.

1223
01:37:52.040 --> 01:38:00.040
Um, but I have to tell you that saved is a being in process, right?

1224
01:38:00.040 --> 01:38:09.040
Because the Western mindset is, and here's where there's a big contradiction, okay?

1225
01:38:09.880 --> 01:38:15.880
Jesus was obsessed with getting you into the divine dance, okay?

1226
01:38:16.880 --> 01:38:18.880
That's what he was obsessed about.

1227
01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:20.880
That's what he was obsessed about.

1228
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:25.880
That was the original divine design.

1229
01:38:25.880 --> 01:38:27.880
That's what they always wanted.

1230
01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:29.880
That's what Jesus was obsessed about.

1231
01:38:29.880 --> 01:38:30.880
Well, let's get everyone dancing.

1232
01:38:30.880 --> 01:38:35.880
Let's get everyone, you know, let's get everyone, you know, in that place of, let's bring everyone

1233
01:38:35.880 --> 01:38:37.880
back to Eden, you know, this is going to be awesome.

1234
01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:39.720
That's what he was obsessed about.

1235
01:38:39.720 --> 01:38:41.720
What are Christians obsessed about?

1236
01:38:41.720 --> 01:38:45.720
Getting people across the salvation line, you know, get them across the line.

1237
01:38:47.720 --> 01:38:49.720
It's all about, I got saved, right?

1238
01:38:50.720 --> 01:38:55.720
How often do you hear Christians talking about, oh yeah, I've been enjoying the divine dance?

1239
01:38:57.720 --> 01:39:00.720
You don't really hear Christians using that language, right?

1240
01:39:00.720 --> 01:39:02.720
Well, that's a little bit of an issue, you know, because Jesus was obsessed.

1241
01:39:02.720 --> 01:39:05.720
Jesus wasn't getting obsessed with you going to church.

1242
01:39:06.560 --> 01:39:13.560
Jesus was obsessed with you having the very finest experience of intimacy with God possible.

1243
01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:17.560
Jesus was obsessed about you experiencing the divine life.

1244
01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:23.560
Jesus was obsessed about getting humanity back into participation with the divine dance.

1245
01:39:23.560 --> 01:39:25.560
That's what he was obsessed about.

1246
01:39:26.560 --> 01:39:28.560
He's like, yes, this is what I'm about.

1247
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:32.560
But for Christians, we've got this, such a mindset, right?

1248
01:39:33.400 --> 01:39:36.400
Our evangelism isn't about getting people into the divine dance.

1249
01:39:37.400 --> 01:39:41.400
Our evangelism is about getting people to put their hand up in a meeting,

1250
01:39:41.400 --> 01:39:43.400
you know, to get saved, right?

1251
01:39:43.400 --> 01:39:44.400
To get saved.

1252
01:39:44.400 --> 01:39:45.400
We want to get people to get saved.

1253
01:39:45.400 --> 01:39:46.400
We want to save them from hell.

1254
01:39:46.400 --> 01:39:50.400
Jesus wasn't trying to save people from hell, okay?

1255
01:39:50.400 --> 01:39:52.400
As his main mission, right?

1256
01:39:52.400 --> 01:39:57.400
But the church is trying to save people from hell as their main mission.

1257
01:39:57.400 --> 01:40:00.400
Now, I'm not saying anything about hell.

1258
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:06.280
All right, all I'm saying is that the focus what I'm saying is the focus of Jesus ministry is

1259
01:40:07.480 --> 01:40:10.520
He's pointing to the positive, right? He wasn't pointing all the way to help

1260
01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:16.320
There's a few times that Jesus does mention how but most of the time it's actually it's not actually in the context

1261
01:40:16.320 --> 01:40:20.660
It's never in the context of evangelism. It's in the context of talking to religious people

1262
01:40:21.700 --> 01:40:27.600
Okay, so the times that he does mention how he's not talking. He's not doing it for evangelism purposes

1263
01:40:27.600 --> 01:40:30.740
He's saying well you church people are dodgy. Holy

1264
01:40:31.640 --> 01:40:33.640
You need to think about what you're up to

1265
01:40:34.320 --> 01:40:35.680
Okay, so

1266
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:38.840
foot when it comes to evangelism and revealing the father

1267
01:40:39.480 --> 01:40:41.680
Jesus never used hell to reveal the father

1268
01:40:42.480 --> 01:40:46.440
Actually, here's a crazy thing when we lose the ability to reveal the father

1269
01:40:47.280 --> 01:40:49.520
Hell becomes our greatest weapon

1270
01:40:50.280 --> 01:40:53.960
Hell becomes our greatest tool in our evangelism toolkit

1271
01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:57.640
When we lose the ability to reveal the father

1272
01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:00.040
Hell

1273
01:41:00.040 --> 01:41:03.880
Becomes the greatest tool in our evangelism toolbox

1274
01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.280
How crazy is that?

1275
01:41:06.280 --> 01:41:09.080
So foot, you know a guy like Jonathan Edwards

1276
01:41:09.640 --> 01:41:15.080
Who's preaching sinners in the hands of an angry God? What's his greatest tool in evangelism?

1277
01:41:15.080 --> 01:41:23.000
It's all about hell. Oh my gosh, that's the whole Jonathan Edwards didn't carry a revelation the father he just talked about hell all the time

1278
01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:25.480
Holy moly

1279
01:41:25.480 --> 01:41:31.960
But you look at Jesus in evangelism doesn't talk about hell in evangelism. What he does is he reveals the father

1280
01:41:32.680 --> 01:41:37.480
That's how he does evangelism, right? He reveals the father house signs one through five

1281
01:41:38.120 --> 01:41:39.960
He reveals the father

1282
01:41:39.960 --> 01:41:41.160
Father

1283
01:41:41.160 --> 01:41:43.160
That's how he does evangelism, right?

1284
01:41:43.160 --> 01:41:48.680
He reveals the father house signs wonders miracles extravagant acts of love supernatural ministry

1285
01:41:48.920 --> 01:41:55.340
Just wonderful wonderful love caring for you know, the woman caught in adultery just amazing compassion

1286
01:41:55.640 --> 01:42:00.600
Um speaking to the least of these loving on lepers that no one wants to touch or be around

1287
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:04.440
He's always about revealing the father. Okay, that's his greatest weapon in

1288
01:42:05.480 --> 01:42:07.480
in evangelism, so

1289
01:42:07.640 --> 01:42:09.640
try and um get back to

1290
01:42:09.960 --> 01:42:11.960
your hands up salvation

1291
01:42:12.520 --> 01:42:15.160
So that's what we were talking about getting saved

1292
01:42:15.160 --> 01:42:21.720
Okay, so the the goal of jesus versus the goal of western church, you know guy jonathan edwards. What's his focus?

1293
01:42:22.040 --> 01:42:29.000
How like let's stop everybody. Okay, so I say everyone starts getting saved out of fear and they okay sweet

1294
01:42:29.160 --> 01:42:33.880
So they're like cool, right? We just got we made it, you know, wow flippin heck. I got my ticket to heaven

1295
01:42:34.040 --> 01:42:36.120
I'm not going to hell awesome

1296
01:42:36.680 --> 01:42:42.280
But that was not the destination, you know, that's not that that's not not the destination that's not the goal

1297
01:42:42.360 --> 01:42:48.600
That's not the objective. That's not the mission the purpose of evangelism in jesus eyes or paul's eyes

1298
01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:54.200
The purpose for jesus and paul is to get people into the divine dance, which means you start by

1299
01:42:55.240 --> 01:42:59.080
You know, you start by telling them the truth that they're already in as it can be

1300
01:43:00.120 --> 01:43:02.840
Hands up though around salvation. That's what we were doing before

1301
01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:05.640
So how saved are you?

1302
01:43:07.080 --> 01:43:13.240
Because people christian say yeah save but actually if you actually look at the definition of the word save you're probably not

1303
01:43:17.000 --> 01:43:21.960
Save sozo the greek there's two greek words and you know used for salvation

1304
01:43:21.960 --> 01:43:27.000
One is so terry and one is sozo and sozo means nothing missing nothing broken

1305
01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:35.160
Everything functioning according to divine design. So did you really get saved sozo means like you're participating in the divine dance

1306
01:43:35.240 --> 01:43:40.440
So this is what I mean by about trying to cross the line because it's sozo is a being in process

1307
01:43:40.440 --> 01:43:46.360
You don't just get you don't just go from one minute not knowing your identity and not knowing the father being

1308
01:43:46.360 --> 01:43:50.600
Totally lost to the next moment in full scale perfectly renewed mind

1309
01:43:52.920 --> 01:43:56.600
Probably to be honest the only thing that's stopping you from that is your level of humility

1310
01:43:57.160 --> 01:44:00.680
Because if you had a level of humility, it's your level of humility

1311
01:44:00.760 --> 01:44:02.760
It's your level of humility

1312
01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:06.620
Hunger and work ethic, but primarily your level of humility

1313
01:44:07.480 --> 01:44:11.260
That dictates how long it takes you to step into the fullness of sozo

1314
01:44:12.520 --> 01:44:18.280
The fullness of salvation the fullness of the divine dance the fullness of the renewed mind is dictated by your level of humility

1315
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:22.600
But that process right to step into sozo you've got to have your mind renewed

1316
01:44:23.160 --> 01:44:28.280
You know your conscious subconscious unconscious mind it all has to get renewed. This is a big process

1317
01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:30.360
But christians don't

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01:44:30.360 --> 01:44:31.860
talk about

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01:44:31.860 --> 01:44:33.720
salvation

1320
01:44:33.720 --> 01:44:38.920
In that context of what jesus the way that jesus used it when jesus used the word sozo again

1321
01:44:39.000 --> 01:44:44.120
It's again. It's all about coming back to the divine dance. You'll be like so he's um

1322
01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:50.520
Yeah, so those are delivered heal, uh set free but in the fullness of the word

1323
01:44:50.840 --> 01:44:56.040
Okay, so you can use sozo to describe individual events like someone gets delivered from a demon demon

1324
01:44:56.040 --> 01:44:59.980
They use the word sozo they use the word sozo in these events

1325
01:45:00.000 --> 01:45:06.020
that build up to the ultimate definition of the word and the ultimate definition of the word is the same

1326
01:45:06.020 --> 01:45:08.900
It's the Greek counterpart of the Hebrew word Shalom

1327
01:45:09.940 --> 01:45:12.880
So you've got Shalom and you've got

1328
01:45:14.140 --> 01:45:15.340
Sozo

1329
01:45:15.340 --> 01:45:23.160
Which both mean nothing missing nothing broken everything functioning according to divine design, which is in other words the divine does

1330
01:45:23.160 --> 01:45:39.880
So when you talk about being born again or being born from above event and process just like being saved is an event and process

1331
01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:46.080
What is it? Oh my gosh, it's exactly what Jesus said in his first comment in his first statement, which is

1332
01:45:46.080 --> 01:45:55.080
Repent or renew your minds because heaven is right now. The kingdom of God is at hand and you could be dancing

1333
01:45:55.080 --> 01:46:02.080
If you renew your minds, we could all be dancing right now. That would be way better than living in lostness and darkness and chaos and dysfunction

1334
01:46:02.080 --> 01:46:07.080
Let's how about we all renew our minds, conscious, subconscious, unconscious

1335
01:46:07.080 --> 01:46:14.080
Let's how about we all go beyond where we've ever gone before, deeper than we've ever gone before and see transformation

1336
01:46:14.080 --> 01:46:20.080
See our lives, our minds renewed and let's all get on business with enjoying the divine dance

1337
01:46:20.080 --> 01:46:25.080
And what does that look like again? You imagine this, you imagine if Christians lived like this

1338
01:46:25.080 --> 01:46:34.080
Mature sonship is the ability to receive divine love perfectly and the ability to give perfect expression to divine love

1339
01:46:35.080 --> 01:46:42.080
Mature sonship. That's what Jesus is after when he's talking about sozo. Why? So that you step into this place

1340
01:46:42.080 --> 01:46:47.080
Because this is what the participating in the divine dance looks like. It's not just about you

1341
01:46:47.080 --> 01:46:53.080
It's about the ability to receive divine love perfectly and give perfect expression to divine love

1342
01:46:53.080 --> 01:46:59.080
So it means that in this world, you're out dreaming darkness. It means that in this world, you're ministering to the least of these

1343
01:46:59.080 --> 01:47:08.080
It means that in this world, you're discipling nations. It means that in this world, you are a perfect expression of love and light to all the people around you

1344
01:47:18.080 --> 01:47:22.080
Any other questions? Maybe one more question, then we'll wrap it up

1345
01:47:30.080 --> 01:47:37.080
Oh, there you go. Good comment from Andrea. Agreed. Preaching to me is getting people to know they are a son. Free to live free

1346
01:47:37.080 --> 01:47:45.080
People are getting saved and falling away as no teachings on this. So great these teachings are to explain it so well

1347
01:47:45.080 --> 01:47:48.080
Time has come for this to be preached everywhere

1348
01:47:48.080 --> 01:47:53.080
Here's another interesting thing. How come you have some Christians?

1349
01:47:54.080 --> 01:47:59.080
How can we have some non-Christians who've got way more freedom in their life than Christians, you know?

1350
01:48:02.080 --> 01:48:07.080
How come you know non-Christians who live a more righteous life than Christians, you know?

1351
01:48:09.080 --> 01:48:10.080
What?

1352
01:48:11.080 --> 01:48:17.080
How come you know non-Christians who are more loving than Christians, you know?

1353
01:48:18.080 --> 01:48:25.080
How come you know non-Christians whose marriages are better than Christian marriages, you know?

1354
01:48:27.080 --> 01:48:30.080
Why? How? How is that possible?

1355
01:48:31.080 --> 01:48:35.080
Alright, it all comes back again to John 8.32

1356
01:48:35.080 --> 01:48:39.080
You will know the truth and the truth will set you free

1357
01:48:40.080 --> 01:48:48.080
So I know lots of non-Christians who have actually got in their mindset, their self-image

1358
01:48:48.080 --> 01:48:53.080
There's more truth in their belief system than a lot of Christians

1359
01:48:54.080 --> 01:48:57.080
So Jesus said it was the truth that will set you free

1360
01:48:57.080 --> 01:49:00.080
So you can be a Christian who doesn't agree with the truth

1361
01:49:02.080 --> 01:49:06.080
Yeah, can't you? Do you know any Christians who don't agree with the truth?

1362
01:49:07.080 --> 01:49:08.080
You know?

1363
01:49:10.080 --> 01:49:14.080
Maybe, yeah? Put your hands up if you know any Christians that aren't in agreement with the truth

1364
01:49:14.080 --> 01:49:17.080
They're Christians, they go to church, they do all that stuff

1365
01:49:17.080 --> 01:49:20.080
But they haven't actually renewed their minds

1366
01:49:20.080 --> 01:49:24.080
Which means their world is total chaos, total dysfunction

1367
01:49:24.080 --> 01:49:28.080
Their ability to have healthy, functional relationships is terrible

1368
01:49:28.080 --> 01:49:31.080
Their families are a mess, their relationships are a mess

1369
01:49:31.080 --> 01:49:33.080
Who knows Christians like that?

1370
01:49:33.080 --> 01:49:35.080
Lots of us, right?

1371
01:49:35.080 --> 01:49:40.080
Well, what's that? And who knows non-Christians who'd actually seem like they've got it all together?

1372
01:49:42.080 --> 01:49:48.080
Well, the thing that's happening there is, again, it's the renewing of your mind

1373
01:49:48.080 --> 01:49:51.080
It's the level of renewing of your mind

1374
01:49:51.080 --> 01:49:58.080
Now, whether the non-Christians want to acknowledge it or not

1375
01:49:58.080 --> 01:50:00.080
That is a degree

1376
01:50:00.000 --> 01:50:03.400
Like truth, Jesus has the monopoly on truth.

1377
01:50:03.400 --> 01:50:05.800
So if they've got truth active in their life,

1378
01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:08.400
it only comes from one place.

1379
01:50:08.400 --> 01:50:10.240
Yeah, they might not acknowledge Jesus,

1380
01:50:10.240 --> 01:50:12.000
but he is the author of truth.

1381
01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:13.080
He's the founder of truth.

1382
01:50:13.080 --> 01:50:14.920
He is true.

1383
01:50:14.920 --> 01:50:19.800
So that's just one reason why you have some Christians

1384
01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:21.520
who are in total dysfunction.

1385
01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:25.000
Yes, they've crossed the line of salvation, if you like,

1386
01:50:25.000 --> 01:50:27.680
but they've only renewed 1% of their mind.

1387
01:50:27.680 --> 01:50:30.040
But you can have non-Christians

1388
01:50:30.040 --> 01:50:32.400
who've renewed 20% of their mind,

1389
01:50:32.400 --> 01:50:34.680
but they're not following Jesus,

1390
01:50:34.680 --> 01:50:37.400
but they've got more truth in their belief system

1391
01:50:37.400 --> 01:50:41.520
than Christians who've only renewed their mind 1%.

1392
01:50:41.520 --> 01:50:43.600
Obviously, it shouldn't be like that,

1393
01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:44.760
but that's why I'm saying,

1394
01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:47.600
what I'm trying to highlight is event and process.

1395
01:50:47.600 --> 01:50:50.200
So salvation is event and process.

1396
01:50:50.200 --> 01:50:53.360
Awakening, being born from above is event and process.

1397
01:50:53.360 --> 01:50:56.120
It's all about the renewing of your mind.

1398
01:50:56.120 --> 01:50:57.240
It's event and process.

1399
01:50:57.840 --> 01:50:59.680
You have big moments of renewing of your mind,

1400
01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:03.400
and then a process, ongoing, residual, gradual.

1401
01:51:05.480 --> 01:51:06.320
Yeah.

1402
01:51:10.400 --> 01:51:14.160
Oh, that's, love says, yes, that was me.

1403
01:51:14.160 --> 01:51:15.360
There you go.

1404
01:51:15.360 --> 01:51:17.360
Yes, it's the way that we see ourselves.

1405
01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:21.520
Okay, here's a big thing.

1406
01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:23.280
Your theology, with your theology,

1407
01:51:23.280 --> 01:51:26.240
you always want to bring it back to reality as well.

1408
01:51:27.480 --> 01:51:30.680
You actually want it to be functional,

1409
01:51:31.760 --> 01:51:35.600
but functional Christianity is a good idea.

1410
01:51:37.960 --> 01:51:39.600
So let's test this theory.

1411
01:51:39.600 --> 01:51:43.840
Who has had a big revelation,

1412
01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:46.120
and then following that big revelation,

1413
01:51:46.120 --> 01:51:49.120
they've actually experienced a massive life transformation?

1414
01:51:53.360 --> 01:51:54.200
Yeah.

1415
01:51:55.320 --> 01:51:56.160
So what's that?

1416
01:51:56.200 --> 01:51:59.000
That's just the evidence of how this works.

1417
01:51:59.000 --> 01:52:04.000
Who, as a Christian, has grown in their relationship with God?

1418
01:52:05.160 --> 01:52:07.200
It's gotten better and better over time.

1419
01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:10.080
Yeah?

1420
01:52:10.080 --> 01:52:11.360
Yeah, it's gotten better.

1421
01:52:12.360 --> 01:52:14.040
Who, as a Christian, has gone on a journey

1422
01:52:14.040 --> 01:52:16.640
where we've gotten more and more freedom over time?

1423
01:52:20.000 --> 01:52:20.840
Well, what is that?

1424
01:52:20.840 --> 01:52:23.360
That's event and process.

1425
01:52:23.360 --> 01:52:26.040
That's being born again, again.

1426
01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:28.160
That's the truth setting you free.

1427
01:52:28.160 --> 01:52:30.000
That's your mind being renewed.

1428
01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:34.200
That's you stepping deeper and deeper into the divine dance.

1429
01:52:34.200 --> 01:52:35.800
That's stepping deeper and deeper into sonship.

1430
01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:38.280
That's stepping deeper and deeper into your identity.

1431
01:52:38.280 --> 01:52:42.800
That is putting to death the sinful nature.

1432
01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:46.360
So that process of renewing your mind or repenting,

1433
01:52:46.360 --> 01:52:49.800
that is the process of putting to death the sinful nature.

1434
01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:51.600
It's not that the sinful nature exists.

1435
01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:53.800
The sinful nature is an illusion,

1436
01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:55.480
the sinful nature is an illusion

1437
01:52:55.480 --> 01:52:59.600
that fills the vacuum in the absence of truth.

1438
01:53:01.080 --> 01:53:03.720
So in the absence of truth,

1439
01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:07.680
the sinful nature will fill the vacuum.

1440
01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:09.320
Lies will define you.

1441
01:53:09.320 --> 01:53:10.720
Ignorance will define you.

1442
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:13.480
Truth won't define you if it's not in your mind.

1443
01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:20.240
So that repentance process, that discovery process,

1444
01:53:20.240 --> 01:53:23.480
the revelation process, that transforms our mind.

1445
01:53:24.160 --> 01:53:26.080
That puts to death the sinful nature.

1446
01:53:26.080 --> 01:53:28.120
Not that the sinful nature is a living thing.

1447
01:53:28.120 --> 01:53:30.760
Not that the sinful nature is any part of your identity.

1448
01:53:30.760 --> 01:53:31.600
It's not.

1449
01:53:31.600 --> 01:53:34.720
All the sinful nature is is a collection of lies

1450
01:53:34.720 --> 01:53:39.720
that exist in our minds until our minds are renewed.

1451
01:53:50.520 --> 01:53:51.600
So someone is saying,

1452
01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:54.720
have you commented on universalism already?

1453
01:53:54.720 --> 01:53:57.400
We did just have a big chat about universalism,

1454
01:53:57.400 --> 01:54:01.400
but why don't you jump on here?

1455
01:54:01.400 --> 01:54:04.480
Why don't you unmute, Margot?

1456
01:54:04.480 --> 01:54:07.840
Why don't you unmute and just say what you were saying?

1457
01:54:07.840 --> 01:54:08.920
You might want to catch the replay

1458
01:54:08.920 --> 01:54:10.440
because we just did a big session

1459
01:54:10.440 --> 01:54:14.160
on what is universal in the gospel and what's not.

1460
01:54:22.600 --> 01:54:25.000
Are you going to, do you want to unmute there, Margot,

1461
01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:26.360
and chat that through?

1462
01:54:26.360 --> 01:54:28.440
Otherwise, I'll let you catch the replay.

1463
01:54:33.240 --> 01:54:34.440
Going once.

1464
01:54:36.080 --> 01:54:37.080
Oh, you'll catch the replay on it.

1465
01:54:37.080 --> 01:54:37.920
Cool, cool.

1466
01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:41.400
All right, hey, well, I think that's probably

1467
01:54:41.400 --> 01:54:42.240
a good chat for now.

1468
01:54:42.240 --> 01:54:43.680
Who's found that helpful?

1469
01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:47.800
Yeah?

1470
01:54:48.640 --> 01:54:52.440
Who, yeah, you like it, you don't like it, you hate it,

1471
01:54:52.440 --> 01:54:55.040
you think it's terrible, where are you at with it?

1472
01:54:57.640 --> 01:54:58.680
Pushing thumbs up.

1473
01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:07.520
up some thumbs up some loves oh yeah just not terrible um you feel like you feel like it's

1474
01:55:10.160 --> 01:55:13.280
here's here's how it works here's why it's good for me okay

1475
01:55:13.280 --> 01:55:18.880
here's here's why this is really really good news for me who whoever has negative feelings and

1476
01:55:18.880 --> 01:55:27.200
emotions anyone ever have negative feelings and emotions yeah i'm trying to deal with some

1477
01:55:27.200 --> 01:55:33.360
negative feelings and emotions yeah so negative feelings and emotions they come from your core

1478
01:55:33.360 --> 01:55:39.520
beliefs right that's where they that's the origin if you wonder where negative feelings

1479
01:55:39.520 --> 01:55:47.600
and emotions come from they come from your core beliefs um people will sometimes say they're

1480
01:55:47.600 --> 01:55:58.880
hormonal no they're not actually um hormones will hormones situations circumstance will

1481
01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:07.920
influence you know a bit but here's what happens is every before a feeling can manifest here's how

1482
01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:14.160
it works your you have the your your mind takes all the information going on in your circumstances

1483
01:56:14.720 --> 01:56:18.400
that's all the information produced by your hormones all the information produced by your

1484
01:56:18.400 --> 01:56:24.320
circumstances all the information that you have that then gets into your mind and then it has

1485
01:56:24.320 --> 01:56:29.120
to be filtered through your belief system all right and then your belief system this happens

1486
01:56:29.120 --> 01:56:35.120
subconsciously unconsciously then your belief system will determine how you feel about that

1487
01:56:35.120 --> 01:56:40.320
and your feelings are faster than your emotions you have a feeling before you have an emotion

1488
01:56:40.320 --> 01:56:47.120
because a feeling happens first and an emotion is a chemical reaction produced by a brain all

1489
01:56:47.120 --> 01:56:54.000
all emotions you can track them chemically in the body that the brain produces a chemical emotion

1490
01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:57.440
i'm sorry the brain produces a chemical reaction the chemicals go through your body

1491
01:56:57.440 --> 01:57:02.560
and that releases the emotion but the emotion comes first is first triggered by the feeling

1492
01:57:02.560 --> 01:57:07.200
and the feeling is produced by your beliefs that tell you how you should feel about this information

1493
01:57:08.160 --> 01:57:13.120
all right so you get information your beliefs tell you how you should feel about the information

1494
01:57:13.120 --> 01:57:18.320
your feeling produces a chemical reaction in your brain which releases the like all these chemicals

1495
01:57:18.320 --> 01:57:24.080
and those chemicals in your body produce the emotional response that's how it happens real

1496
01:57:24.080 --> 01:57:32.800
real fast uh but if you're so when you say for example you start feeling separate from God you

1497
01:57:33.600 --> 01:57:38.400
start feeling disconnected from God okay i'm not feeling very close to God today

1498
01:57:40.160 --> 01:57:46.960
okay but what if hardwired into your belief system was the belief that

1499
01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:52.480
um if you sin God turns his back on you

1500
01:57:55.440 --> 01:58:01.200
oh you're gonna have an emotional meltdown you're gonna be a wreck right and that's what

1501
01:58:01.200 --> 01:58:09.680
happened to Peter so Peter Peter denies Jesus three times right and then and the end all the

1502
01:58:09.680 --> 01:58:14.640
other apostles ditch Jesus in the garden don't they there's a stripper in the you know when

1503
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:18.800
Jesus comes like when they come to arrest Jesus there's a guy what the heck is a guy doing running

1504
01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:23.840
around in a towel like there's a guy running around a town God and they grabbed his towel

1505
01:58:23.840 --> 01:58:28.560
he's ran off naked that's a cool kind of funny little moment in the gospel okay thanks for that

1506
01:58:28.560 --> 01:58:34.160
we've got a stripper here right and then after the stripper like all Jesus makes ditch him every

1507
01:58:34.160 --> 01:58:39.920
single one of them John ditched him Peter ditched him all of the apostles ditched Jesus and like

1508
01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:44.880
see you we're gonna we're gonna like follow that guy um they're off they just leave Jesus and he's

1509
01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:51.760
taken and so what do all the other apostles do like they all were like oh stink and none of them

1510
01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:58.960
go to the cross what what none of them turn up to the cross except John John's the only one at

1511
01:58:58.960 --> 01:59:04.800
the cross everyone else ditched him John is there right at the foot of the cross with Mary with all

1512
01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:09.520
the with all the ladies the ladies are all there and John's there everyone else has ditched him

1513
01:59:09.520 --> 01:59:12.960
what's going on there see this

1514
01:59:15.600 --> 01:59:19.600
you can have um you can have the mindset of Peter or the mindset of John

1515
01:59:20.480 --> 01:59:23.120
and this is a big deal because Peter orphans out here

1516
01:59:24.000 --> 01:59:29.360
right the mindset of Peter or the orphan mindset when you have a bad moment

1517
01:59:30.160 --> 01:59:34.880
you want you feel so bad that you run away from God

1518
01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:42.480
or like John you have a bad moment and you run to him

1519
01:59:43.120 --> 01:59:48.240
that's the difference between an orphan mindset and a sonship mindset right there is an orphan

1520
01:59:48.240 --> 01:59:58.240
has a bad day and their shame drives them away from God a son has a bad day and their shame

1521
01:59:58.240 --> 02:00:00.240
drives them away from God

1522
02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:08.480
them right into him. But where does the distinction happen to a person that determines which action

1523
02:00:08.480 --> 02:00:14.400
they will take? It's what's hardwired into your brain. And this is one of the problems with the

1524
02:00:14.400 --> 02:00:19.360
Western gospel, and this is Jonathan Edwards gospel, and the sin is in the hands of an angry

1525
02:00:19.360 --> 02:00:23.920
God. If you've got a wrath God, why the heck do you want to run to him and get a beating?

1526
02:00:25.920 --> 02:00:29.200
If you've got a loving father who's going to embrace you in your lostness,

1527
02:00:30.960 --> 02:00:34.880
versus an angry father who's going to get out a rod of punishment and wrath,

1528
02:00:36.160 --> 02:00:39.920
which one are you going to run to in your darkest hour? That's why you have so many

1529
02:00:39.920 --> 02:00:45.040
Christians backsliding and running away from God because they're like, oh my gosh,

1530
02:00:45.040 --> 02:00:49.760
this is too painful. This is unbearable. In my shame, I run away from God. Rather than

1531
02:00:50.320 --> 02:00:56.000
in your darkest hour, there's only one place you've got to run. I've just got to run right

1532
02:00:56.080 --> 02:01:00.320
back to him. This is where I have to be. He's my home. He's my source. He's my

1533
02:01:00.320 --> 02:01:07.440
true north. He's my everything. So John turns up at the cross, whereas Peter,

1534
02:01:09.440 --> 02:01:16.000
he's dirt and he's gone fishing. And Jesus has to track him down when he's fishing.

1535
02:01:19.840 --> 02:01:25.600
Peter does come back to the tomb. So he does come back. They do come back shortly after,

1536
02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:35.200
but only after they told that Jesus was alive. Mary's like, hey guys.

1537
02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:47.680
With our mindsets, if we have this mindset that intimacy is performance-based,

1538
02:01:48.560 --> 02:01:53.360
right? When you fail, where are you going to go?

1539
02:01:55.120 --> 02:02:01.520
If we have a belief that intimacy and oneness with God is reality-based,

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it's not the fruit of your behavior. It's just reality that you're one with him.

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It's just reality that you're seamlessly one with God. When it's hardwired into your conscious,

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subconscious, unconscious, it makes it very, very difficult, almost impossible to live disconnected.

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Because even when you start having a feeling, right?

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But even if you're feeling, it actually starts making the feeling of isolation very rare.

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Because you have circumstances happening, information happening. It goes into your

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belief system and your core belief system is I'm one with God, I'm one with God, I'm one with God,

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I'm one with God, I'm one with God, I'm one with God, I'm one with God. And so it's very rare that

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the feeling of disconnection or separation ever even starts to manifest. What happens is if the

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information starts getting really, really intense, it starts pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing,

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pushing, pushing. This is happening unconsciously in your own mind. All this information is trying

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to push, push, push, try and tell you that you're disconnected from God. Now, if there's a little

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chink in your faith, like if there is a little part of your mind that says maybe I'm not one

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with God. Feeling comes in there. Oh, well, I don't feel very one with you right now, God. I

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feel far away. You feel very far away. But then if your beliefs are that you are one with God,

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what happens is that it becomes very, very easy then to actually tell your feelings the truth.

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It's easy to tell your feelings the truth. So it might break through, but it's actually not

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very, not a very strong feeling. And you can put in its place real quick and get back into the dance.

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Cool beans. Sweet. I think that's good chicken for us.

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I'm just reading Andrew's comment.

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So Andrea, I'm just checking this out. So Andrea said, I'm thinking that you were saying we are

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all born as sons and daughters. The Greeks you were using as example, dodgy, dodgy characters.

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They all had the opportunity to step into the divine dance and live in union with God.

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Some chose to repent and renew their minds and they were able to step into a place of divine love.

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Those who chose not to do not change, but it does not change the essential.

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Did I get that right? Yes. So it doesn't change. Yes. It doesn't change the essential.

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Whether they agree... So your agreement with the truth is not what makes the truth true.

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Your agreement with the truth is what makes the truth powerful.

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So the truth is the truth before you believe it, while you believe it, after you believe it...

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You know the truth is always the truth. So believing... so believing the truth

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is not what makes the truth true. Believing the truth is called faith,

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and believing the truth is what makes the truth insanely powerful.

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And this is where... this is where probably why a lot of people get confused with thinking they...

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I became a son in that moment, because they had the experience of... whoa! They had the

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revelation of their sonship, they stepped into it, they came into agreement with it,

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they had faith in that explosion of transformation in their life, and they're like,

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wow, that's the moment that I became a son. It's not the moment you became a son,

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it's the moment you came into agreement with the truth about your sonship, and everything changed,

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because the truth just became powerful in your life to redeem, to transform, to heal, to restore.

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So the truth is the truth before we believe it,

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and agreement with the truth is not what makes the truth true.

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Agreement with the truth is what makes the truth powerful to change your life.

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Very cool, yes. Margot, you are one with God.

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Sweet, okay, well, fam, awesome stuff. I think we will wrap it up here.

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Before we do, before we do, let me just quickly check in.

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Okay, awesome.

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A renewed mind is an open heaven. Yay! Right, your psychology is your spirituality.

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So what you believe dictates your spirituality.

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Sweet, so last thing, and I'll give some more info on this in a minute,

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so last thing, and I'll give some more info on this for everyone as well, but we are having,

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we are launching a 12-week Open Heaven Masterclass, okay? So there is going to be a 12-week Open

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Heaven Masterclass, and let me do something right now. So it's going to be a 12-week Open

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Heaven Masterclass, and in there, what we're going to do is take you through the process

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of mastering the three secrets to the renewed mind, okay? The three secrets to living in open

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heaven, which are, you have to have good foundations, right? You've got to have good

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foundations. You've got to renew your mind, right? But you've got to go conscious, subconscious,

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and unconscious. You've got to go into the depths of your being. So you have to go conscious,

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subconscious, and unconscious, and to go subconscious, unconscious, you know,

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conscious, subconscious, and unconscious into the very core of your mind. To go there,

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you can't go there with most activities that you'll experience on a Sunday in a church,

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okay? Because it takes a much, much deeper, it's a much, much deeper process

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to get to that level of transformation, right? Your heart, you're rewiring the very core

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of your, like, your mainframe has to get rewired. And in order to get there, you have to go real,

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real deep. And there's a whole lot of activations that we're going to teach that

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will actually help you in that process of actually how to go and rewire the main, like,

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the very core of your being, going deeper than just your conscious, going conscious, subconscious,

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unconscious. We're going to go right into how you do that. So there's three points to this process

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of stepping into an open heaven as a state of being or renewing your, you know, it's good

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foundations, renewing of the mind, conscious, subconscious, and unconscious, and then devotion.

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So, and devotion starts with, you know, how you receive and the life you live. So it's about...

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your disciplines and the way that you actually structure your life and your time and the

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orbit of your existence. What does it revolve around? How do you transform your world? So,

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these three things we are going to go really in-depth on in what I believe is going to be

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the single most powerful event that I've ever run. So, I'm bringing together all the keys

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and it's going to be much more than revelation, okay? Because revelation will kind of get you

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so far, but revelation doesn't put roots down unless it's attached to devotion. So, you have

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to understand devotion, you have to know how devotion works, you have to actually build

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devotion into your life. And I was really blessed when it comes to devotion because

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my father demonstrated to me every day just spending time with the Lord. So, every single

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day that I woke up as a kid, if my dad was home, he was reading his Bible and praying.

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That's all I knew as what life looks like. And that messes with the core of your being.

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Not only that, when he's been living like that for years before I was even born, it messes with

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your actual DNA. So, what I want to do is I want to take you into this journey. I've spent,

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Lord just called me into a life of intimacy. So, I've spent thousands and thousands of hours in

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prayer and it's this time of thousands and thousands of hours of prayer and study and

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searching this truth out that I was able actually to discover it. And so, what I've

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done is collated all the hot stuff that you need to fast track and accelerate and expedite the

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process into a renewed mind. So, potentially in this next 12 weeks, people have the opportunity

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to get more transformation than they could in 20 years in normal church.

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So, we are going to be going into a very, very accelerated time of transformation and of

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renewing the mind and stepping into the process of actually carrying an open heaven in your own

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life. So, we're going to be doing that in the Online School of Sonship. And in the Online

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School of Sonship, you join a whole tribe of amazing people. You get lifetime access. I won't

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go through all the details of it now in terms of what you get in the Online School of Sonship,

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but you get lifetime access to all our good stuff. It's pretty amazing. I want to share

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the link with you. So, you get this 12-week Open Heaven Masterclass, but then you get every other

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bit of training that we do in the Online School of Sonship. You get regular mentoring, you get

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coaching, you get prayer meetings, you get worship, you get all sorts. It's a whole tribe there

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designed to be running after heaven on earth. So, what I will tell you is there are three ways

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to get in. You can just buy a one-off payment. Normally, I'll share that. What I'm going to do

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is I'm going to share the link. If you're interested in the 12-week Open Heaven Masterclass,

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click on this link. Here's the link in the Zoom. Let me put the link in. The link will also be in

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the description. As soon as I hang up here on this call, I'll put the link in the description

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of this video that's playing in the Facebook group. I'll put the link in there. Now, I'm

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going to be talking about it more. I'll be doing some emails to everyone. I'll be posting it here,

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but there is an extra discount if you jump on board in the next three days. So, there is an

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extra discount if you're on board in the next three days. So, watch that space. Oh, I just sent

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that to just one person. I'll send that to everyone. Everyone. Sorry, I just private

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messaged someone the link. That's for everyone. There's a link there. Join us in that and let's

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start a revolution. You'll see when you click on it that there's one way of getting in there is if

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you join our Inner Circle. If you're in our Inner Circle, then you get everything we do for free,

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all our digital products, all the other things. It's pretty wild and amazing. So, check that out.

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Check out the Inner Circle and that's definitely by far the best option, the most world-changing

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option is to join us in the Inner Circle where we are standing together as a corporate group of

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people bringing dreams to life and going after the cycling nations, missions, business, kingdom,

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kingdom, kingdom. Love it. So, bless you all. Thanks and we'll catch.

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Bye-bye.