Hey, hey. We are live. Welcome. Look at this. Hello. How you doing? Can you guys hear me
all right? Very good. Well, welcome everyone. As you're jumping on in the group, great to
have you here. And let me just double check, just check the tech as always, make sure that
it's happening, that we're going live. This is the, yes, we are live. Very cool. So if
you're watching live, then just click on the link here in the description and jump on board
and jump in here with us in the Zoom room. Carol, how are you doing? Kerry, go like this
if you can hear me. Yes, very good. How are you doing, Kerry? I'm good. I'm going excellently.
Oh, great. You're a bit more, more echoey in that, in your new office. I was a bit more,
bit echoey. Okay. Very good. Yeah, it is a little bit different set up here. It's a
lino floor as opposed to a carpet, but yeah, there we go. Yeah. So if you are in the,
if you are in the, just checking us out on the live, feel free to click on the link there,
jump on board in here and jump into the Zoom room. Action. Very cool. And Carol,
are you hearing me okay? You're, you're welcome to jump in if you want. Sweet.
All right. Well, we are going to try in a moment. I'm just doing one quick check, tick, tick, tick.
And then we will get into it. All right.
Okay.
Okay. That's cool. Let's see. So if you, even if you,
by Sean, I see Sean there in the live, just in the group as well. So
we're going to pray. And then if people have got questions, then it'll be time to drop your
questions in. So start thinking about your questions, see what questions you've got.
And we are on a little bit, a little bit early. We're only supposed to be starting to get live
now. But let's pray and then see what will happen. Very cool. Well, Papa,
Jesus, Holy Spirit, we love you. And we love your presence. We love your glory. We love your wonders.
And we love your word. And we love what you're doing, what you're saying, what you're burning
for. And we welcome you to come and speak beautifully in this time as we chat. We
welcome your presence to flow. We welcome your spirit to fall. We welcome you, Holy Spirit,
to come and unpack and unveil your word to us. And we thank you for a fresh
move of your spirit in our hearts and in our lives. We thank you for the spirit of awakening,
gripping us, capturing our hearts, stirring us up. We thank you for the,
Holy Spirit, we thank you for the fresh word that you want to give us. And we thank you as well for
releasing that spirit of awakening upon us so we can be aligned with you, carrying your heart,
carrying your word, carrying your message to the nations, and bringing a fresh outpouring of your
spirit. Lord, we want to be like the saints of old. We want to walk like Jesus walked. We want
to step into the wonders that you have for us. So, Jesus, we thank you for fresh grace on us,
like it was on St. Patrick, like it was on St. Francis Xavier. Lord, the
amazing grace that you poured out. We're asking you pour it out on us afresh and light us up in
this time. We thank you for blessing hearts and for bringing questions forward and for answering
things in a beautiful, beautiful way. Amen. Very cool. Hi Lottie, how you doing?
Lottie looks like she might be frozen there.
Primo, so we are opening it up now. So I'll watch the questions in the Facebook group as well. So
feel free just to drop your questions in the comments too if you're in the Facebook group
rather than coming into the Zoom room. See a bunch of people in the Facebook group rather than
just in the Zoom room. But Lottie, how you doing?
Great, thank you. That's great. Where are you Lottie? Let's see.
Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear you great.
Oh good. I'm doing great. Just finished a hike. Oh fantastic. And whereabouts are you?
Pardon? Whereabouts are you? Oh, in the San Jose area.
Okay. San Jose, California. Fantastic. Great stuff. And Lavinia, how you doing?
And Lottie, do you have a question that you came to ask?
Do I have a question? No, not at the moment. Not at the moment. Very good. That's all right.
Lavinia, how you doing? I passed. I've just walked in the door and I was,
oh, I don't like the word, but I did panic. I said, I'm missing them, I'm missing them,
but I made it on time. Here I am. Good work. I'll ask a question in a minute, Benji. I'll
just get my breath back. Yeah, very good. We're just going live now. Thank you.
Very cool. Red Miller, welcome. How are you doing? I'm good, thanks. Yes. Still
reeling from the weekend, you know, going, whoa. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. What was it like for you? How did you find the three days of action?
Um, truthfully, it was a bit of a roller coaster. It was kind of like,
um, I love the passion, love the fire, love the idea of smashing, um, you know,
smashing the giants, bringing an open heaven in. Um, and then I get freaked out by,
ah, the mystics and the extraordinary things they did. And I'm thinking,
how am I going to even do a fraction of all of that? It's like, ah, so it's kind of like,
take a breath, calm down. Yeah. Just roll with it. See where God takes you on this incredible journey.
Yeah. Good. Cool. Very good. Very good.
All right. Now I'm not sure who this is. Your name says love, but welcome love.
Good to have you with us. Now, if you're, um, if you're one of the beautiful people watching
in the Facebook group as well, I'm going to open it up now to, um, start bringing some questions.
So like I said, we're a bit early getting on board here, but it's great to have you.
Michelle, how are you doing? Thanks. How are you? Welcome. Good to see. Where are you joining us
from Michelle? Uh, Australia. Lovely. Hi. Sorry. I was just asking where she is.
Uh, Australia too. From Melbourne. Oh, very good. Oh, we've got a few Aussies here today. Aussies
are strong. Well, it's a good time of the day for us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not so much when I was doing
the 6am New Zealand time ones, eh? Yeah. Three or four in the morning. I was, it was a, um, it was
an intense weekend. I was getting up, um, the first day I was up at 2am because I had a three
hour live, you know, praying the spirit at the beach first, which is, which was 3am to 6am New
Zealand time at the beach. Man, it was freezing. Oh my gosh. It was like two degrees at the beach.
And then this really cold wind came in too. So I smashed that out and then got home in time just
in time to kind of prep and get ready to go for the live for the first one.
Then the next couple of days, we're up at 2.45 a.m.
So just prep and get ready.
So it's kind of that dynamic, eh?
Balancing the time zones out for everyone
and wanting to try and do justice
to all the different time zones.
Yeah, you did well, Benji.
You did well.
Thanks, bud, thanks.
Cool, hey, well, why don't we launch into it?
And we were looking for some really juicy questions.
So anyone who's got a nice, juicy question for us,
why don't you jump in?
Yeah, I have one, Benji, first up.
I love the presentation.
I did struggle, however, in my quiet time,
uniting the Holy Spirit, Jesus, and God together.
I like to think that I finally got it
after listening to Dana and her worship.
Oh, her ministry is so spot on.
Who's listening to Dana's worship?
Yeah, I did this morning.
Well, I've been listening to it for a while now,
but I sat under the tree in my garden.
So I've had a calling of Deborah from years ago,
and I'm seeing it coming to fruition now.
So I placed myself in obedience back under the tree.
And I was listening to Dana,
and it was like I was asking her this very question
I'm asking you.
And she clarified it.
I'd like to hear you on this matter again, please.
I just want to see if my door is banging.
I'll just look there.
There we go.
Okay, it's really windy here today.
So anything that can even move a little bit
that's getting sucked around by the wind.
Oh, I can hear it.
Okay, so yeah, Lavinia, hit it.
Please.
Oh, repeat?
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
I thought I knew how they were united as one,
but I'd like more clarity on that, please.
As in?
You know, the divine dance,
how they're all intertwined with each other.
How they intertwine, how they have a relationship,
how they're like a family?
Please, yes.
Yeah, well, that's the beauty
of the three-in-one dynamic of the trinity.
And so when I talk about the divine dance,
the word that I'm,
you know, the word that gets translated as divine dance
is the word perichoresis.
And the word perichoresis itself
isn't specifically in,
isn't specifically in the Bible.
So the word perichoresis isn't.
You won't find perichoresis in the Bible,
but what you do find in the Bible is obviously the trinity.
You know, right through from the very beginning,
you find the trinity.
And so theologians have forever been trying
to describe the trinity.
And so the best word that anyone has ever found
to describe the trinity in all the centuries
that theologians have been trying to describe it
is that word perichoresis,
which just talks about how they are three-in-one,
but distinct.
So the word perichoresis,
choresis, the choresis part
is where we get the word choreography from.
So that's where the dance bit comes from.
And then peri means to kind of go up and down.
So it's kind of like,
the word is, perichoresis is all about a divine dance.
It's describing the trinity.
So the word, the reason that they use that word
is just to kind of really capture the essence
of the trinity.
And the beauty of that is that, you know,
we've got in the trinity,
we see heaven model, right, which is family.
So if you want to get a gauge of what the trinity is like,
just imagine the most perfect family you could ever imagine.
And that's what the trinity is.
And if you can imagine the most perfect relationship
you could ever imagine,
try and give me one word that would describe
the best relationship you could be in.
I would, for myself, I would probably say love, right?
Love.
And then as you're describing love,
you wouldn't just be having a, you know,
like a half-hearted love, would you?
If you were describing the best relationship
you could be in,
you would be having the most amazing type of love possible,
wouldn't you?
And that's exactly what we see
when Jesus talks about a father.
When Jesus talks about the father,
he talks about this father who has an amazing love.
So, you know, John 17, 20,
John 17 is probably one of the most amazing,
uh chapters to look at divine love it's not the only one but it is an amazing one you see this
you know that the father's you see the the love of the father and the love the love of the trinity
right from the very beginning um oh look there you go some people in the chat hi there guys in
the chat feel free to drop questions in the chat i'll try and keep an eye on that too oh i'm just
seeing some comments uh in the uh facebook group as well um so cool i'll just i'll get i'll focus
on them in a second just watching comments bouncing in two groups as well so keep me
accountable guys if i miss a question help me out there to make sure i um get into it uh yeah
so keep me accountable to the different questions that are coming flying around so yeah the trinity
you just see that right from the beginning you know the beauty of of the trinity is seen right
from the very beginning that you know it's out of their relationship that they create this context
for humanity and what do they create they create even which means paradise even on earth you're
like yes this is the context that i want to have a relationship with you in the context of perfection
in the context of eden in the context of delight this is where i want my relationship and our
relationship and you know between god and man between humanity and the trinity this is where i
want our relationship to be based is in the place of delight and what's delight delight is a word
that we use to express the pinnacle of love right love on steroids is delight so what you have in
eden is love on steroids that's what eden means it's love on steroids and that's exactly what you
and what is that it's just an overflow of the heart of the trinity it's an overflow of their
uh heart it's an expression of how they desire to have relationship with us and it's the context
that they want to have relationship with us in the context of uh delight so eden that's the
original context that god created for relationship with us he's like hey how about in the context of
relationship we uh we redesign this world out of this relationship right so everything's supposed
to start in eden with knowing that we're as loved as love can be and then out of that place of eden
eden then overflows to the world and that's why he gives them that commission okay go and take
dominion right but it's outlet that dominion was always designed to be an overflow of eden so it's
like right everything that's beautiful and perfect and wonderful here that we have in eden and
everything that we experience in our relationship here that's beautiful and perfect and awesome and
and divine let's redesign you know like let's let's see this sweep right throughout the whole world
so the trinity um that's a little bit that's a little bit about the the trinity just a little
snapshot but the trinity as well as um is a you know that's something that's a conversation
that's been going been going on for centuries as well have some you know there's all sorts of
crazy thoughts about the trinity um that you that some people have tried to say and you know even
you know there's people that have tried to say for years as well you know like right from the
very very beginning of the early church that oh yeah there is um jesus isn't divine all these
types of things so the trinity is definitely something that the church has really fought to
protect as a core belief um and many people try to oppose that in their different ways or their
different ideas but the church has always really held fast to protecting that as just one of the
core core beliefs is that god is a trinity and and you see you see it from the very beginning
in genesis god refers to himself as plural he says let us make man in our image so
and then when you have you know jesus great commission it's like right i want you to baptize
make go and make disciples of all nations and this is a view this is so beautiful we kind of
sometimes can just brush over to say i want you to go and make the cycles of all nations it's
really important to note that jesus didn't say go and make disciples in all nations right if that
was the goal we could achieve it you know just about be there right but the goal is not go and
make disciples in all nations the goal is go and make disciples of all nations and then he takes it
to a whole nother level and says baptizing them so um the word baptism in the greek one of the
first words for baptism was baptism which is a word that they also used for pickling pickles
so that's what jesus was saying he's like you guys you know how they pickle pickles
um you know how they soak them in that pickle juice and they just get they just get completely
pickled that's what they do
the word baptismo was used for is like,
well, what I want you to do is I want you to go
and get entire nations and I want you to baptismo them.
I want you to pickle them in the nature.
So the name, and the word name,
especially in the Hebrew context,
but in that context as well,
the word name always refers to nature.
So it doesn't mean like, baptize them in my surname.
It doesn't mean that.
It means baptize them in my nature.
And so it says, baptize them in the nature,
pickle them in the nature of the Father,
the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
And what is that?
That's the divine dance.
So our calling is to pickle the entire planet
in the divine dance, which is a bit of fun.
Sean, welcome, buddy.
I see Sean there and Sonia and Justine.
Welcome, guys.
And Christine and Christy and Angela and Elise and Marcel.
Welcome to all of you guys, too.
Thanks, Benji.
Was that helpful, Lavinia?
Sorry, you're muted, Lavinia.
Sorry, Benji, here I am.
You answered that beautifully in its simplicity.
I've made a track on my writing pad
and I can see the flow there.
And I can see also why I ran into some difficulty
in the intercessory prayer group last night.
They could see the love coming out of me,
which they hadn't seen before.
But as soon as I spoke about the Trinity,
I could feel the conflict.
But now I've got a more clearer picture now to introduce.
Thank you.
Okay, okay.
Well, yeah, that makes sense, your question then.
So you were praying and then you mentioned the word Trinity
and Christians manifested.
Absolutely, yes.
Yes.
But I loved it.
It's bizarre, right?
It is, you'll see it a lot.
As soon as I mentioned the word Trinity,
people are like, what?
What?
What do you mean Trinity?
I'm like, God's a Trinity, right?
Like Father, Son, Holy Spirit, that's the Trinity.
So it's kind of funny, but for some reason,
the church hasn't used the word Trinity for a long time.
It's like, they'll talk about Holy Spirit, Jesus,
God the Father individually,
but they don't often refer to them as the Trinity,
even though our great commission,
our mandate is to pickle the planet in the nature,
in the divine dance, in the nature of the Trinity.
So the whole great commission revolves around that dynamic.
It's actually a really crazy concept right there.
Yes.
Because the Trinity is the core of heaven.
Yes.
Because the divine dance is the very thing
that sets the atmosphere of heaven.
Beautiful.
Okay, it's the foundation of heaven.
Everything you like about heaven,
everything you like about the concept of heaven,
you're like, oh, heaven, wow, that's going to be amazing.
I want to do that forever and ever.
What is it that you think you're going to like about it?
What you're going to like about it is the atmosphere,
which is the overflow of the divine dance.
Well, that's what you're going to love about it.
And it's the very foundation,
it's the heartbeat of heaven, right?
So if our calling is to bring heaven to earth,
you know, that doesn't look like buildings.
That doesn't look like big meetings.
An authentic expression of heaven on earth
looks like an unbroken cycle of divine love.
That's why sonship is so critical.
Because sonship, right?
My definition of what mature sonship looks like
is the ability to receive divine love perfectly
and the ability to give perfect expression to divine love.
And that's what Jesus modeled on the cross.
One of the most amazing examples
that you're ever going to see of love, right?
Is Jesus is giving a perfect expression to divine love,
even on the cross, right?
He's receiving divine love
and he's giving a perfect expression to divine love.
Can you just,
can you imagine going through the cross
and just not going into a full blown rage mode?
It's outrageous, it's bizarre,
it's crazy that his love is still on at maximum volume
even at the end of that.
And what is he modeling to us?
He's modeling what love looks like.
He's modeling the nature of God.
He's modeling our identity.
He's modeling what sonship looks like.
And sonship looks like an unbroken cycle of divine love.
And that's.
That's our journey into maturity, is journeying back into our ability to participate effortlessly
and seamlessly in the divine dance.
That's why God made us in his image in the first place, so that we could be equal dance
partners.
He's let us make man in our image, let's make man in our image, that the whole purpose of
being made in the image of God is so that you can be an equal partner in the divine
dance.
So that you can receive the same quality of love that they receive, and so that you can
express the same quality of love that they express.
That's why he made us in his image, so we've got the same capacity.
You could say that being made in the image of God means that we have the same capacity
to receive love.
That's a big deal, right?
Yeah.
It's a big deal having the same capacity to receive love as God.
And that's the journey into sonship, is the journey of becoming love.
And as we become love, and that process of becoming love is a process of being born from
above countless times, over and over again, like, whoa, we have another revelation of
truth that what sets us free and what does freedom look like participating in the divine
dance?
Receiving love, expressing love perfectly, that's what freedom looks like.
Freedom is the ability to receive divine love perfectly, and the ability to give perfect
expression to divine love.
Yeah.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
That's great.
Sweet.
So, next question.
Someone drop us a nice juicy question, something curly.
Let's make it something that challenges us, pushes us, put me on the spot.
I see Billy Joe is watching, and she's like, once pickled, never more a cucumber will be.
Excellent.
That's funny.
Amen to sonship.
Isaiah, I see you there.
Andrea, I see you there.
Very cool.
Got a cool crew watching on the lives as well.
Good to be with you guys.
All right.
So, next question.
No questions.
Someone's going to bring a question, surely.
Otherwise, I'll ask you guys a question.
Andrea, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Come in.
Come.
You're coming in from South Africa with a beautiful question.
Let's hit it.
You just need to unmute.
Oh, there we go.
Good morning.
Oh, well, good afternoon to you.
Good morning.
It's early for you guys.
This is like, is it about half past five?
Yes.
Well, you're looking very pretty for half past five.
I have to get up early to get out of my PJs.
Well done.
Well, baby, I've got two questions,
and you could probably answer them in one.
My first one is, yesterday when I listened to your.
Can you speak up a little bit?
It's just a little bit hard to hear you.
Oh, sorry.
Can you hear me better?
Kind of, yeah.
Sorry.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah.
Okay.
The first question would be,
can you speak up a little bit for me?
Sorry, the word is not going out of my head.
If your internet cuts off,
it'll just put it into the chat as well,
but I can't hear you.
Okay.
We couldn't hear you.
Sorry.
Here we go.
Does that sound better?
Way better.
Okay.
spirit before the enemy or the orphan characteristic before the enemy actually lured them into
eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Okay, now that what you explained it
makes a lot of sense but what I can't understand is if God created them perfectly you know and in
perfect union bliss with him how how did they not have that divine dance with him if you're
what I'm saying and why would they've been opened up to what you are like that that I'm struggling
and then can I pop the second one? Okay so yeah they were created in God's image
but don't think that Adam and Eve were any different to you and I
okay so they were 100% created in God's image just as much as you and I are created in God's
image they weren't created any more in God's image than you or I were and they weren't they
weren't born with it and they weren't created with a chip in their brain that had full
understanding and knowledge and revelation it's not like they didn't have to learn
you know they were created yeah boom they're created and they've got a lot going on for them
and it is a mystery right it is a mystery that they could be in Eden and be hanging out with God
and still have still get it wrong right it's it is totally a mystery there so how did that happen
so how did that happen what process did they go through how long did that take what you know we
don't know that we don't know that bit right but what we do know is we can really easily see
Genesis 3 we can see their behavior really easily
okay so and what you see from behavior is and anyone who who has ever been on a journey of
transformation can tell you this that where there's fruit there's a root right and so
the fruit of orphan behavior always comes from the root of orphan beliefs
and that's why we have you know the thing that highlights it so much to us and clarifies it so
much to us is Matthew 4 where Jesus is being tempted that is the great because that Genesis
uh Genesis 3 with Adam and Eve and Matthew 4 with Jesus two stories of temptation one the story of
an orphan and one the story of a son and what Jesus highlights to us is what sonship looks like
and anything less than what Jesus model is less than sonship and so if it's less than sonship
it's an expression of the orphan nature right so uh so we just have to look at Jesus and go okay
right well that's what sonship looks like and let's work backwards from there and and let's make
a simple ask ourselves a simple question does sonship look like getting a beat down from Satan
does sonship look like breaking covenant with the father in one conversation does sonship look like
handing over your birthright in one conversation does sonship look like coming into agreement with
Satan no and that's the beautiful thing about Jesus being the model of our sonship is that
he makes it just so obvious that that of what sonship looks like
so then we look at sonship and go okay right well we've got a pattern now Jesus is the pattern
Jesus is the blueprint Jesus is the model of sonship and so from that model of what sonship
looks like and from the you know the Matthew 4 example of Jesus
we can have a quick look at it I'll grab my Bible here Matthew chapter 4
um Matthew chapter 4 Jesus tested in the wilderness
it is so here's what you see when Jesus is tempted or tested
um every time he's tested he responds with the word of God it is written man shall not live on
bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of God that's not what Adam and Eve did you
know uh they obviously didn't have that word there but they could you don't need to have like Moses
words if you're in union with God like if you are in union with the truth you'll still get a word
doesn't have to be word for word Bible quote you know they were there living before the Bible was
written but they still could have had a word from God if they were in that place
um actually no that's wrong they could have just based it on the conversations and the agreements
that they already had with God and said no no we don't need that Satan this is a tree of life sorry
you're being a punk but they didn't right they justified they wriggled
they swerved, they made it work for themselves, that's all evidence of the orphan life, you know,
that's, that is what the orphan life looks like.
Yo, so, Adrienne, is that cool for you?
Thank you. And then, can I ask question number two? It's just, we've had the previous,
the previous discussion we had on the sinful nature, because that kind of ties in. I'm just,
I just struggled a bit with, I hear completely what you're saying and I agree with you, but then
why would you, you know, what, then please explain to me, you know, the death to self,
the old man, you know, in comparison with a sinful nature, because my understanding was always that
after the cross, I mean, it's through the cross that we can actually enter and, you know,
you get born again, as we spoke previously. And now, if we never had a sinful nature,
then where does the old man come into the picture?
Well, first of all, let's look at the Old Testament, because you're assuming that
you're making a big assumption that ignores the entire Old Testament, when you think that
you couldn't live a righteous life before the cross, right? That's a big deal. That's a big
deal, because the whole way through the Old Testament, they are told that God will give
them Shalom, and that they can live in Shalom. And what's that? Shalom is the Hebrew word for,
you know, it's the Hebrew counterpart of the New Testament promise of salvation,
right? So the whole Old Testament, they were promised that they could have salvation right
then. The same word, right? So, Sozo in the New Testament, Shalom in the Old Testament have the
same meaning. And they have prophesied and spoken of all the way through there. Isaiah 26 verse 3,
Isaiah says, He will keep in perfect peace those with a steadfast mind who trust in Him.
Right? This is exactly the same in the Old Testament as it is in the New Testament,
right? So what Isaiah is saying in Isaiah 26 verse 3, he said, He will keep, so God will keep
in perfect peace. The Hebrew words there are Shalom, Shalom. And what Shalom means is everything
functioning according to divine design. So what is everything functioning according to divine design?
Union with God, bliss, ecstasy, oneness. And did they have that? Did they have intimacy with God?
Did they connect with God? Well, look at the Psalms, look at David, look at his union
with God, Psalm 63. I will praise you because your love is better than life. What is that?
Moses, his face transfigures because he's been hanging out with God.
What? So we make a big assumption and it's this huge assumption that, that in the Old Testament,
they couldn't have access to what we have access to, that the cross was the dividing line.
So what we, what we've made a wrong assumption about, right,
is the, is the, this is what I was talking about, misdiagnosis of the problem. You know,
like the whole premise of the, you know, of a, of this false orphan gospel,
it all starts that the problem is sin and separation, right? You're inadequate
and you're far from God and the cross will solve that problem. But in the Old Testament,
they didn't live like that. You know, like it's making this big assumption that actually in the
Old Testament, you didn't have righteous people. You didn't have people who walked with God in the
Old Testament. Enoch walked with God for 300 years, right? How much, how righteous do you
think he was? You know, how much truth and revelation do you think he walked in? How
much intimacy do you think Enoch walked in that he could walk with God for 300 years? And then
God's like, man, I like you so much. This is awesome. I'm just going to take you, right?
That was before the cross. So we make this big assumption like, and I'm not, I'm not in any way
devaluing the cross. The cross is crazy, wild, amazing. The single most glorious, amazing
revelation of the father, the greatest revelation of love, the greatest revelation of sonship.
And so that is why the cross is powerful. Here's something that people miss.
understand is people think that, well, listen, Jesus never said the cross would set you free.
Okay. Jesus preached the gospel in all its entirety, but he didn't say the cross would
set you free. Okay. Jesus preached the gospel in all its entirety. He didn't say the blood
would set you free. Okay. So it's really important to understand what Jesus did say
would set you free. And what's the one thing that Jesus said would set you free?
The truth, right? The truth. And who is the truth? He is the truth. Did he, did he exist
before the cross? You could, truth will set you free. All right. It's not, it's not the
cross that will set a person free. It's the revelation that they take from the cross that
will set you free. Okay. This is a really, really important concept to grasp because
it's the truth and it's not just the existence of the truth. The existence of the truth doesn't
help anyone. It's intimate experiential knowledge of the truth that sets people free. And it was
intimate experiential knowledge of the truth that set people free before the cross. I'm going to
ask you this. Did Jesus set anyone free before the cross? Did Jesus have an effective ministry
before the cross? Did Jesus forgive sin before the cross? Did Jesus heal and restore before
the cross? Did Jesus speak revelation that set people free before the cross? Do you get,
do you get revelation from any of the words of Jesus before the cross that actually bring freedom
into your life? Jesus wasn't waiting for the cross to start his ministry. And Jesus preached
the gospel in all its entirety before the cross. And the gospel that we're called to preach was
preached in all its entirety before the cross. So what we have to understand is what's different
about the, what is the cross? Well, the cross is the greatest amplifier, the greatest articulation,
the greatest revelation, the greatest exclamation mark, the greatest expression of the gospel that
there is. Because what is the heart of the gospel? The heart of the gospel is a revelation of the
father. And this is where the misdiagnosis comes in. And it's attached to your first question
because that, you know, if we look at Adam and Eve, everyone looks at Adam and Eve, and they look
at the fall, which is what? Behavior. And they try and diagnose the behavior. And we try and
diagnose the behavior rather than the root cause. The behavior is just a symptom. So you try and
diagnose what the problem is by looking at the symptom, and you're going to get a misdiagnosis.
And the whole Western gospel is founded on a misdiagnosis, right? So you, it means that you
look at the cross and you ask the wrong question. And if you ask the cross the wrong question,
you'll get the wrong answer. And everyone tries to understand the, you know, what the cross means
after the cross, right? You don't find the meaning of the cross after the cross in the epistles,
right? You find the meaning of the cross in Christ. He gives us the full meaning of the
cross before the cross. So, so many people try and understand the cross by looking at Paul's writings,
by looking at, you know, all of the New Testament writings. It's not where you look to get your
revelation of the cross, okay? People look to Paul because they think, okay, now that the cross is
done, we have to try and interpret the cross from Paul's perspective. We try and interpret the cross
from the other side. You don't get an accurate revelation of the, well, you can still get an
accurate revelation there, right? Because if you understand it, you'll actually see that they are
in total harmony with what Jesus is saying. But what I'm saying is when you have a misdiagnosis
of the problem, you ask the wrong questions, you have the wrong lens, and you get the wrong answers.
How does, you know, so the real question that we want to be asking is what was the real cause? What
was the real issue with humanity? What was the problem? And the problem, the issue, the root cause
was a lie. And what was that lie? The lie was a false image of God. And what was the result of
that lie? The result of that lie was often behavior, which is the inability to receive
divine love perfectly, and the inability to express divine love. So that is where your,
all sin, right, all of what sin is, is sin. When we look at this Romans 3.23,
for all have sinned, which is an archery term, which means to miss the mark, for all have sinned and
lived outside, for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But it's an archery
term which means to miss the mark.
So what does that mean? It means that the mark is the glory of God.
Okay, and what is that? It's the Greek word doxa, which is used in 1722 when Jesus said,
I've given you the same doxa that the Father gave me. So we know without a shadow of a doubt
that doxa is our identity. And what's that identity? It's the same. It's the same.
It's like the whole of the gospel starts in Genesis 1. It doesn't start, you know, oh my
gosh, you know, Matthew 1. No, it starts Genesis 1. I made you in my image. God hasn't started like
a new conversation and gone, oh man, like actually let's change the topic. It wasn't. He hasn't
changed the topic. Right from the very beginning, God was like, man, that like perfect flow of this
divine dance in the Trinity and they want to create humanity to participate perfectly in it.
They're like, okay, right on. Let's make them in our image so that they're qualified. They're
empowered. They're enabled. They have the same capacity to participate as equal dance partners
in this unspeakable love, in this divine dance of love and this unbroken cycle of divine love.
Let's create them to participate that. And then let's create Eden, which is love on steroids.
So it's the perfect context for us to carry on the dance in Eden. This is love on steroids.
This is what they've always wanted. But in order for man to be able to participate in the dance,
we have to be fully persuaded that we're exclusively defined by the doxa, by the glory
made in his image. So the cross, the cross is the ultimate example of what,
it's the ultimate revelation of God. It's the ultimate revelation of his love.
And we get messed up on this big time, right? Because everyone, you know, like all these
Western theologians are trying to tell us how the cross changed God from wrathful God
to happy God, right? They're asking, how did the cross change God?
But you'll never get a sane answer from that question because it's not a sane question.
Because Jesus, you will never find one time where Jesus said, guys, I'd like you to know
that I've come to change God. We see John 3, 16, you know, for God so loved the world,
you can see that his heart hasn't changed. And even in Eden, God didn't kick them out of Eden,
right? What is Eden? Eden is the land of his delight. So it wasn't just the garden of Eden,
it was the garden in Eden. The whole land was called Eden. He said, okay, look guys,
what you can't do is you can't eat from the tree. So I don't want you to go back in there.
So he stops them going from going back into the garden, but they still lived in the land of Eden.
They still lived in the land of his delight, who packed up their bags and moved out. It wasn't
God, it was their own shame that drove them to isolate. It was their own sense of inadequacy
that drove them to isolation from God. You know, that after the fall, they run and hide. What's
that? Shame that leads to isolation. And what did God do? He ran to them. And what did they do? Oh,
man, let's keep going. Let's keep moving. Let's keep running away. So they keep running away.
And then Enoch comes along not too long later. And what happens with Enoch? Does God like,
I am the gospel God. No, he walks with him for 300 years. And you show me one Christian who has
a better relationship with God than Enoch. All right, you try and find one Christian on the
planet that's got a better relationship with God than Enoch. And then tell me that, okay,
in the Old Testament, they couldn't walk righteously. In the Old Testament, they didn't
have access to freedom. Humanity's always had access to freedom because freedom, listen, freedom
doesn't come from the cross. Jesus didn't say freedom will come from the cross. Jesus said
freedom will come from an intimate experiential knowledge with the truth. And the truth is a
person who has existed for eternity. And that's why in the Old Testament, Isaiah 26 verse three,
he says, he will keep in shalom, shalom, which is, you know, everything that we're dreaming of,
sonship is shalom. Shalom is the divine light. Shalom is sonship. Shalom is the divine light.
Shalom is the, you know, it's the pinnacle of everything we could ever imagine. And the whole
way through the Old Testament, they promised, hey, look, you trust in God and you can walk in shalom.
So, so bringing this back to the sinful nature, did they have, did they have a, you know,
they have a sinful nature in the Old Testament? What is the sinful nature? So the sinful nature
is the sinful nature is a set of beliefs, okay, rather than actual...
the sinful nature is not an actual like substance, okay, like you can't go and pick up the sinful
nature, you're not going to find the sinful nature anywhere as like, it's not something you can pick
up and grab, it's not something you can quantify, like the only way you can quantify the sinful
nature is that the sinful nature is a false identity, the sinful nature is every lie that
you believe about yourself, okay, so all the sinful nature is, is a lie, so what... how do
you experience the sinful nature, what is the sensible nature, what is the old man, what is
the carnal mind, it is... it's the lies that fill the vacuum in the absence of truth,
all right, it's the lies that fill the vacuum in your own mind, in the absence of truth,
so if you don't have truth in your mind, something is... something else is going to
fill that space, and it's either going to be lies or ignorance, but lies or ignorance,
either way doesn't matter, they will produce death in you, truth will produce life, truth
will produce freedom, truth will produce the renewed mind, truth will produce the mind of,
you know, this is Romans... I think it's Romans, I can't remember off the top of my head, but Romans,
the quote where Paul writes about the mind governed by truth is life and peace,
the mind governed by... I'll just pull it up, let me pull it up and read you that verse,
I'm hoping you guys are keeping your eyes on the prize for me as well,
just if there's other questions flowing, because I'm kind of...
right, the mind...
sorry, I couldn't remember this verse off the top of my head right there, guys,
but here we go, Romans... ah, it is, it was Romans 8, Romans 8, 6,
hang on a second, Romans 8, 6, the mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by
the spirit is life and peace, so the mind governed by the flesh, right, and what is the flesh,
what is this flesh or the sinful nature, what is that, okay, what is the mind governed by flesh,
that is lies, okay, so the mind that's founded on lies, the belief system that founded on lies
will produce death, but the mind that is governed by the spirit or by truth is life and peace, so
let me pull that down, yeah, so I hope, I guess what I'm wanting to balance out here is the fact
that like New Testament believers, you know, we've had this mindset that the Old Testament,
they couldn't walk, you know, they couldn't walk in righteousness or like, you know, like it's
so it's religious insanity, right, to brainwash us to think that they couldn't have intimacy
with God beforehand, when you've got guys like Elijah, Enoch, David, Samuel, you look at the
prophetic words that Samuel was getting, oh my gosh, crazy, that level of prophetic, that level
of intimacy with God, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, like how many prophets do you want to speak of,
Mary, you know, what is intimacy with God, the ability to hear his voice, you know,
could Mary hear his voice, could Ezekiel hear his voice, could Daniel hear his voice,
could Noah hear his voice, could Moses hear his voice, could Josiah hear his voice, yes, they all
had intimacy with him, yeah, so here we go, so the sinful, what is the sinful nature, that's
something that we have to quantify, okay, the sinful nature is lies, that's what it is, so if you're
putting to death the sinful nature, what you're doing is you're putting to death
a false identity about who you are, so to put to death the sinful nature
is to come into agreement with the truth that you're exclusively defined by God,
to put to death the sinful nature, come into agreement with the present reality that you're
perfectly made in the image of God, right, and the process of doing that means that you have to
break the fusion between
identity based on performance versus an identity based on who God is and what
God says and what God's done. Because our identity has got nothing to do with our
performance, and as long as we believe that our performance has something to do
with our identity, it will produce the sinful nature in us, right? It will
produce a defiled mind, it will produce a corrupt mind. So to believe that, let me
give you an example of this. If you're abused, right, what lie did you learn when
you were abused? What lie did you learn when you failed? What lie did you learn
when someone spoke really badly about you? What lie did you learn in that
moment, right? Well, what the sinful nature is, is when that you allow that
lie that you learnt in your darkness to trump what God says is true about you.
That's the sinful nature right there. When God says, when Jesus says in John
17 22, I have given you the same glory, the same identity that the
Father gave me, the same nature, the same identity, the same substance, the same
value, the same essence that the Father gave me, I have given you. And then you
allow the lie that you learnt in your abuse, the lie that you learnt in
your failure, the lie that you learnt in your childhood, that if you allow that
lie to trump the truth that God says about you, that lie in you becomes the
sinful nature. But the whole point of Colossians 2 and Romans 6
that talk about the sinful nature, everything that they say about the
sinful nature is what we're supposed to take from the revelation of the cross,
right? What you're supposed to see in the cross is that anything to do with a
false identity is being put to death in the cross. Now, how does a false identity
get put to death? In the presence of the truth, in the presence of the
greatest revelation of truth that there's ever been, which is the cross. The
cross is the greatest revelation of the nature of God. And in the revelation of
the nature of God is the revelation of our own identity. So in the cross, what do
you have? The greatest revelation that humanity has ever had of the nature of
God. Simultaneously, the greatest revelation of our own identity we've
ever had, which is what? We are love. We are exclusively defined by God. We're
made in His image. This is who we are. And so how does that put to death
the sinful nature? When you come into agreement with the truth that the
cross declares. The cross is powerful because of the revelation that it
carries. The blood is powerful because of the revelation that it carries.
Right? The cross is powerful. The blood is powerful because of the revelation
that they carry. And when you come into and you see the cross, you see the
revelation it carries. You see the blood. You see the revelation it carries. Then
you come into intimate experiential awareness. You come into an intimate
experience and an intimate knowledge of that truth. Boom! When you come into
an intimate knowledge of the revelation, that truth that it declares that you are
exclusively defined by God. This is who you are. When you come into that
revelation, then what happens is freedom just breaks out in your life like crazy.
And what happens to the sinful nature? Gone. Like, you know, but gone but not
gone. Right? Because the sinful nature. So you've got a truth, right? The
present reality of the truth and what the cross declares and what Paul was
writing about in Colossians 2 and Romans 6. What he's writing about is he said
the sinful nature. This is how he writes about it, which is kind of crazy.
He said the sinful nature has been circumcised from you. And what is the
sinful nature? Every false identity that you've ever come to agreement with
from God's perspective, it's irrelevant. From God's perspective of you is that
you are perfect. Everything of the sinful nature. Remember, the sinful nature
is every false identity that you've ever come into agreement with. Every lie
that you've ever believed that has brought identity to you or value to you
and definition of who you are. Every lie that you've ever believed about
yourself, that's what the sinful nature is. And Paul says it has been circumcised
from you. What's he saying about it? He's saying you're now exclusively
defined by Christ. Nothing that's ever happened in your life defines you.
Nothing has any authority to define you. The only thing that has authority to
define you is the truth manifest on the cross. The truth manifests in Christ.
The truth is the only thing that defines you. So stop coming into agreement.
That's why Paul says count yourself dead to sin. What does that even mean?
Count yourself dead to sin.
to every life, count yourself dead to every accusation.
Count yourself dead to every lie you learned in abuse.
Every lie you learned in failure.
Every lie you learned wherever you learned it,
count yourself dead to every accusation and alive in Christ.
So what he's saying is you should treat the sinful nature.
You should treat the lies that people tell you about yourself.
You should treat the lies that you believe about yourself
like the sinful nature.
And this is the crazy thing about it, he makes it disgusting.
He says the sinful nature has been circumcised from you, right?
This is graphic.
Circumcision is a graphic thing, right?
It's gross.
I don't know why they were so into it.
I don't know why God was so into it.
It's weird.
We have to have a chat about that one day.
But I'm like, dude, why not an ear piercing?
You can imagine Moses goes home and circumcises the whole household.
You try and do that nowadays to your workers, you get in big trouble.
So circumcision, right?
The way he defines and describes the sinful nature
is the leftovers of circumcision that have been buried.
So he's saying, stop going back and digging up the leftovers of circumcision
and dressing up in them like that's your identity, because it's not.
It's gross.
So he is saying that the sinful nature is disgusting.
It's like, don't go to the grave and dig up the lies.
Don't go to the grave and dig up the lies and dress up in them and let them define you.
Don't adorn yourself in lies.
Don't wear those lies.
Those lies are disgusting.
Why would you wear that disgust?
Why would you go to the grave and dig up the leftovers of circumcision and dress up in it
when you're exclusively defined by Christ, when you're clothed in righteousness?
Don't go doing that.
That's craziness.
And so the whole theme is the renewing of your mind.
Be transformed, be transfigured by the renewing of your mind.
And what is that?
It's exactly the same thing that they had through the Old Testament.
That's why Isaiah 26, 3 said, he will keep in shalom, shalom, him who has a steadfast mind.
Right?
And the word steadfast there, the word mind is yitza,
but the word steadfast actually means to lay down on a rock that is stronger than yourself.
Right?
So you lay down your own definition of reality on something stronger, right?
You lay it down.
He who has a steadfast mind, and what do they do with their mind that's laid down?
They lay down their own definition of reality.
They lay down their own lies.
They lay down their own perspective on a rock that is stronger,
and they trust in God for their identity.
They trust in God for their reality.
They trust in God for his word to define them.
And he said, if you do that, you walk in shalom, even in the Old Testament.
And what is it?
It's the renewed mind in the Old Testament.
It's truth in the Old Testament that sets people free there.
So it's always been the same concept of what sets people free.
It's always been Jesus.
It's always been relationship with God and an intimate experiential relationship with God
that sets people free all the way through, right from the beginning.
So I think I see.
There we go.
Benji, can I just ask you, so your old man is then actually the orphan?
The old man and the sinful nature are the same thing.
It's the whole same entity.
Yeah.
So that's the orphan mindset.
Yeah, that's all the same thing.
It's lies, the orphan mindset, the old man, the sinful nature, the sinful mind.
It's all the same thing.
It's all lies.
That's what they're referring to.
What is the process of renewing your mind?
What's the very first thing that Jesus said when he started his ministry?
Repent, right?
And repent does not mean do a 180 and stop sinning.
Repent is the Greek word metanoia, which means change the way you think or renew your mind.
It's the very first thing that Jesus said.
He's like, guys, renew your minds.
Why?
Renew your minds because the kingdom of heaven.
is at hand.
Renew your minds because you can have heaven on earth
right now.
Renew your minds because you can live in heaven right now.
Renew your minds because your mind is the very thing
that's holding you back from stepping into the full measure
of heaven on earth, which is available right now.
That's the very first thing he said.
Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand
within your grasp.
It's right here and now,
and you can step into the full measure.
Was he tricking them?
Was he joking?
Because he said that before the cross, or did he mean it?
Was it truth then?
Was it truth?
Was he speaking the truth when he said,
repent, change the way you think,
and what is changing the way you think?
It all is exactly the same as being born from above, right?
It's, hey guys, you need to be born from above.
You need to repent.
You need to exchange these low level ways of thinking.
You need to exchange all these lies that are defining you.
You need to exchange all these lies
that define your reality.
You need to exchange all these lies
for a truth that comes from my father,
from a heavenly dimension,
so that you can leave behind this orphan existence.
You can leave behind this darkness,
and you can step into the kingdom of light,
and you can participate here and now.
You can see the kingdom.
You can experience the kingdom.
You can taste the kingdom.
You can walk into the fullness of the kingdom
right here and now, but you have to renew your mind.
So what do you have to renew your mind about?
Everything.
It's 2 Corinthians 10, five.
What do you have to renew your mind about?
Everything.
We demolish strongholds and arguments, right?
And we take captive every thought.
What do you mean every thought?
Every thought you've ever had.
Every thought you've ever had
that isn't in agreement with truth.
You've got to take captive every thought
and make it obedient to Christ, the word.
Christ, the word of God.
Christ, the truth.
You've got to make every thought obedient to the truth.
Yeah.
Sound good?
Is that making sense for you?
Adri, give me a-
Thank you.
Yes, 100%.
Cool.
So I guess,
the whole point of Jesus' ministry is like, that's it.
I mean, he nailed it right there.
He's like, you've got to renew your mind, guys,
so we can have heaven on earth right now.
All right, let's do it.
That's his first conversation.
All right, let's renew our minds.
Let's get heaven on earth going now.
Let's go.
And what did they do?
Well, then they just started stepping into it, you know?
So people started listening to it.
They started seeing breakthrough.
They started seeing freedom.
People are being forgiven, transformed, delivered, set free.
It's all on.
It's all happening there.
Yeah, so.
All right, now-
Thank you.
Oh, you're very welcome.
Really, really good questions.
Those are juicy, good questions.
So, right.
Now, have we got, can anyone see?
I think we just covered that one, but there.
I realize how amazing my journey's been.
Mm-hmm.
Right, so can anyone just see if anyone's got a question
or if there's.
Anything else there?
Hello, Jennifer, welcome.
I see you and Jemima, welcome.
And Manbod, welcome.
Sonya, Gail, Dorothy.
Very cool.
A few new cats there.
Okay, so has anyone, have I missed some questions?
Can anyone point me out if I've missed a question?
I'm just looking through the chats.
I don't think I've missed one there.
And I'm just checking out the group.
Otherwise, if you've got a question, then jump on board.
Anyone got a question there?
Oh, at least we've got a few.
Oh, okay. Here you go. Andrea's question. Oh, okay. So, okay. Right. Here we go. That's
a good one. Now, you're doing something. Okay. So, whose question was this? Andrea's question?
Is no one unsaved? Where's Andrea? Oh, okay. Andrea's not there, but is she, maybe she's
in the, she was in here before, eh? Okay. So, this is going to be a good question, right?
Okay. So, who's wondering if what I'm saying is, is this universalism, right? Is this just,
is just, is Benji just saying like, everyone's saved? What are you guys, what are you guys
thinking? Like what? So, okay. So, the church is absolutely paranoid about this concept
of universalism. Okay. And there's more than one type of universalism. So, you just want
to be aware of that. Okay. When you, but people don't always make a distinction about the
types of universalism. Okay. So, some things are universal. There's a lot of things that
are universal in the Bible. So, anytime you see the word world, it's the Greek word kosmos,
it's pretty much universal. Okay. So, so you can't, you can't just like have a, you can't
have a problem with the word universal. Are we okay there? I see some funny faces happening
in the Zoom. We're okay? Yep. Okay. So, so the concept of universal, what is universal?
What isn't universal? Okay. So, I'll give you a little bit of a like real quick history
lesson is in the second great awakening, right? One of the things that happened in the second
great awakening was there was a group called the Unitarians. Okay. The Unitarians were
birthed out of, you know, they really got famous during the second great awakening and
one of their doctrines became universalism. Okay. So, what Unitarian, so the Unitarian church ended
up having this concept of a Christless salvation. Okay. So, they were like, yeah, no, no, no,
it doesn't matter. Christ isn't important in salvation. You can get salvation kind of anywhere,
like, you know, whatever you like, you know, anything will lead you to Christ. Okay. So,
that was Unitarian universalism. And so people got really freaked out about this concept of
Unitarian universalism. And they thought that anytime someone mentioned something universal,
that they were referring to Unitarian universalism, which is a Christless salvation.
So, I am a hundred percent not okay with a Christless salvation. That's ridiculous. You know,
the truth will set you free. Christ is the truth. This is everything we're talking about is Christ
centric. Jesus is the core, the center of everything we're talking about. So,
so you can scrap the idea or the fear of Unitarian universalism of us talking about
anything apart from a Christ filled salvation, Christ filled salvation. We're not talking about
anything outside of that. So, forget that if you were thinking, is this, this terrible concept of
a Christless salvation? No one is talking about that here. All right. So, no one here is talking
about that. No one here is interested in that. No one here is supporting that. That is straight
out craziness to imagine a Christless salvation. That is not us. We're not about that. So, you can
scrap that. That's as far from us as anything. Okay. So, put that away. And now that we've put
that away, we can address the concept of what is universal in the Bible. Okay. So, the concept of
universal things happening in the Bible, guess where they start? Genesis 1. Okay. It starts in
Genesis 1, where God says, let us make man in our image, humanity. Okay. That was it. That was,
that was, God started the conversation of, of a universal conversation right in the beginning.
We said, let us make man in our image. Okay. So, what does that mean? That means that humanity,
humanity traces their whakapapa or their genealogy, their descendancy back to where? Back to God.
All of us trace our descendancy back to God. We're made in the image of God. God is, so,
when it comes to universalism, God started that conversation in Genesis 1, where he said,
let us make mankind in our image. So, all of mankind has been made in the image of God.
All right. God, right at the beginning, was the father of humanity.
Now, there wasn't a point where God has stopped being the father of humanity,
where he's like, no, no, I've unfathered you. I have unsung you. I've unfathered humanity.
God did not unfather anyone. Now, it's a big mistake to think that the fall changed God.
You think that the fall changed God? You think that every time someone sins,
God has an emotional breakdown? The fall did not change God. The fall changed humanity,
all right? And the fall changed humanity because we were darkened in our own understanding. We
were darkened in our own mind. After the fall, we went deeper into a futile mind. We went deeper.
And so in that context, you can say, yes, humanity went into the sinful nature after the fall. They
were plunged deeper into the sinful nature after the fall. What? We were plunged into our own dark
imaginings, our own false beliefs, our own false identities, our own shame. We were plunged into
this world of darkness in our own minds, right? In our own minds, we were plunged into darkness
at the fall. But not all people that have ever lived have just stayed in that place. If you look
at humanity throughout history, people have all been in different places in their level of
revelation. That's why it's so important to note that, you know, in the Old Testament, it's really
important to highlight, okay? We cannot underestimate the significance of highlighting
the reality of what it was like in the Old Testament. There were countless righteous people
in the Old Testament. There were countless amazing prophets. There were countless people who walked
in Shalom. There were countless people who walked in intimacy. There were countless people who heard
from God. There were countless people who lived in Shalom. And Shalom, remember, that's the Hebrew
word for salvation. There was countless people who walked in there, all right? So it's really
important just to identify, yes, we've had the sinful nature, but what is the sinful nature? It's the
lies we believe about ourselves, but not everyone stayed there. Not everyone in the Old Testament
just believed every lie, you know? And here's how you can tell, is because when you
believe a lie about yourself, it produces shame, right? And when you have shame within yourself,
shame and self-hatred, they always drive you into isolation from God. They always drive
us into isolation from God. Shame and self-hatred drive us into darkness. Like Adam and Eve, they
ran away from God and hid in the bushes. That's what shame always does for us. But what does truth do?
Truth destroys shame of your life. And that's why in John 17, 22, it's such an important verse, because
he said, I have given you the same glory that the Father gave me. For what purpose? Intimacy. Because
if you think you're defined by anything else other than made in the image of God, if you come to the
conclusion that you are defined by anything else except the glory of God, you will
become the genesis of your own separation. You will separate. It won't be God pushing you away, it's always
us running away from God. So yes, we had sin and separation after the fall, because that was our
own defiled corrupt minds pushing us away from God. So yes, we had that in a big way. But what
is universal? So the first thing we have to know from Genesis 1 is that the first thing that's
universal in the Bible is God is the father of humanity, all humanity. And he never takes that,
he never stops that. And humanity, he never says, okay, you're not my kids anymore.
There's not one point where he's like, okay, this is not working, you know, I'm done on you.
Well, you know, there's a couple of moments where he's pretty fed up with the Israelites,
but he never unfathers humanity, okay? He never unfathers humanity. And that's really, really,
really important to note. And one of the, and I will always come back to this, because it's Jesus'
greatest revelation of the gospel. The time that Jesus gives the best articulation of the gospel
is Luke 15, the story of the good father, right? That is the gospel. It's the best, most beautiful,
most wonderful gospel, okay? So what we have in Luke 15 is, it's, Luke 15 is really interesting
because it's about a lost coin, a lost sheep, and a lost son. And the Greek word for lost is the word
perisos, okay? And that word perisos, it means, it's the same word that we get perished from,
okay? It's lostness, it's, you're perishing, you're lost. And so,
we're talking about God being the father of humanity, is God still the father of all the
people who are lost, who are perishing? Right? Is God still the father? And so Luke 15 is all about
addressing that. Is God still the father of people even when they are lost? And the answer is yes,
he's still their father. So it's not a question of, you know, are you still a son or not a son?
That Western Christianity has said that God unfathered everyone, right? That everyone
lost their sonship or lost their identity. And I talked about this a lot yesterday.
They take John 1 12, which to those who believe God gave the right to become sons,
and they actually take that whole John 1 chapter out of context and they make like,
okay, this is the evidence right here that God was not, you know, God had unfathered humanity.
But that's actually not even a good translation of that. But it should say more like God gave the,
for those who came into agreement, for those that realized they were sons, for those that
came into agreement with that, for those that believed, right? For those that believed the
truth about their identity, he gave the ability, or rather the truth gives the ability to walk in
your sonship, to walk in your identity. And John 1, if you look at that before that, he's already
said he came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. So you can already see
that he's not talking about people he's put away. He's talking about people he already views as his
own. And John 1 is an extremely universal book too. He comes to, you know, in the beginning was
the word and the word was with God and the word was God. He was the light of the world, the light
heart of every man. So universal dynamics, what you have to understand is that God has always been
the father of humanity. And we never lost our sonship. We never lost our father. We lost ourselves.
And we lost ourselves in our own darkness. And we lost ourselves in our own minds. We lost
ourselves in our own false identities. Yes, we were lost. But was, was all humanity lost like
that? Was all the Old Testament lost like that? No, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. Lots of people
were lost, but not everyone, you know, like lots of people got the revelation of God's love. God
had relationship with lots, thousands and thousands of people through the Old Testament that had
righteous, that walked in righteousness, had relationship with him. So Paul, when Paul preaches
the gospel, this is why Paul preaches the gospel. And I, we have to always go back to this because
we're so entrenched in a Western gospel that tries to call the world sinners
and tries to call the world, you know, like, wow, they're the bad ones, but it's not like that for
God. So love the cosmos. God has always been the father of humanity. So here's the question that
they asked is, is everyone, is everyone saved? No, no. What does saved look like? Saved is the Greek word
again, sozo, nothing missing, nothing broken. And it's the same as the word shalom. Is everyone
walking in shalom? Is everyone walking in the fullness of divine design? No, that's crazy.
Absolutely not. Does everyone have it? But is the truth true? Now that's another question. Is the truth
true? Are they walking in, is it, why aren't they walking in shalom? They aren't walking in shalom
because it's Romans 3.23. They have missed the mark. They're living outside of their identity.
The whole point of Romans 3.23 is you can't live outside of your identity if it's not already your
identity. You can't live outside of your identity if it's not already your identity.
You can't live outside of, you can't, you can't be called, you know, it cannot be said of you
that you're a sinner if, you know, in the context of Romans 3.23, which means they missed the mark,
you can't miss the mark of living in, I hope you're catching me, catching what I'm saying here.
You cannot miss the mark and live outside of your identity if you don't already have an identity.
You can't be missing the mark of living outside of the glory, outside of the doxa, if the doxa is
not already your identity. The doxa is already your identity. The only reason that we can miss
the mark of living in the glory is because the glory is our identity. That's the only way that
we can even be sinners, right? That's the only way that we can even sin. The only way that we
can live outside of our identity is if we already have.
an identity and we already have an identity and Jesus and Paul and Genesis 1 are all about
the fact that you were made in the image of God before you were born. Ephesians 1, before
the foundation of the world. You were set apart, pre-designed to be set holy and blameless in his
sight. So you have, um, what do we have? What do we have? What do we have? Yeah, you can't live
outside of your identity unless you already have one. Okay. So that's the thing where if you're
going to go and try and call someone a sinner, which I don't suggest you do by the way, right?
It's not a good idea to go and call someone a sinner because you're prophesying a false identity
over them. Right? Why are they sinning? Because they don't believe who they already are. So if
you go and prophesy that they're sinners, what are you doing? You're embedding a lie in their
subconscious that will bear fruit of sin if they believe you. So, uh,
what's the next thing we're talking about universal salvation. So what we, when like, you know, like,
no, people aren't all saved. That's craziness. So salvation is not a universal thing, but some
other things are right. Like the truth is universal. The fatherhood of God, God's fatherhood
over humanity is universal. Humanity's sonship is universal. Truth is universal. Humanity's
identity is universal. All right. And humanity's inclusion in God is universal. And that's why
Paul preaches. We have to go back to this again at chapter 17, 27, 28, where Paul preaches the
gospel. It's the best, you know, like Luke 15 is the best moment when Jesus preaches the gospel
at 17 is the best moment with Paul preaches the gospel. So we, you have to understand the city.
It is the Arapagos in Athens. It's Greek people. Now these people were famous for insane levels of
wickedness, right? They were famous for having temples where you have sex with animals to
worship gods. They are not good. Like they're not what we would say wholesome folk. They
celebrated pedophilia in the Greek society. All right. These people are messed up. They were
sacrificing blood sacrifices to demons. They'd never heard the gospel. They were messed up
people. Okay. So Paul's speaking, speaking to a really, really messed up group of people.
And while he's speaking to them, that's, you know, he, let me read it out to you.
I'll read it out the whole of Acts 17 in 27, 28.
So this is Paul preaching to these guys. They've never heard the gospel. They're not,
you know, they're totally unrepentant. And here's how he, how he preaches. He says,
God did this so that those who would seek him, God did this so that they would seek him and
perhaps reach out to him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. All right. First
point there, he is not far from any one of us. Does that oppose the Western gospel that says
that, you know, there's these two clips, one is God on one side, a man on the other side,
and the cross had to come to separate, to bridge the gap between you. That is not just a small
thing. That is that preaching that gospel is a direct opposite, exact opposite of what Paul
preached. It's not, it's not a small thing. It's an exact opposite, right? Which makes it a blatant
lie. If it's the exact opposite of what Paul preached, it makes it a terrible lie, a hideous
lie that's embedded in the mainstream church, which is fueling the orphan illusion, fueling
all of our own dysfunction. So the Western gospel says, you know, you're separate from God and that
needs to be fixed. Paul says, he's not far from any one of us. And then he goes all next level
and says, for in him, we live and move and have our being. What is that? Paul is just saying to
these people who are famous for pedophilia, who are famous for having sex with animals to worship
Greek gods, who were famous for idolatry and famous for all these wicked things. He's saying
to those people, he's not far from any one of us. In fact, in him, we live and move and have our
being. What is he doing? He's like, you are already as in as inconvenient.
And then he goes next level and he says, as some of your own poets have said, we are his
offspring.
We are his children.
Therefore, since we are God's children, we should not think that the divine being is
like all the idols and he goes on, but he's saying, God's your father, you're his kids.
So he's saying these are present realities.
So he speaks to people who have no concept of what he's even talking about.
He says, look, you are as in as in can be.
You are as one as one can be.
You are as loved as love can be.
You are as son as a son can be.
What is the Western gospel say?
The exact opposite.
You're a sinner.
You're separated from God.
Jesus came to rescue you from that.
Right.
And Paul's like, what?
I never preached that.
I never said people were sinners.
I never said people were separate from God.
That's ridiculous.
It's a total lie.
If you had Paul contending with these people who would say, where did you find that in
my gospel?
Where did you find that in the epistles that I write?
Where did you find that in the messages I preach?
Where did you find that in the gospel that I laid my life down for you?
Well, not, you won't find it in Jesus gospel either.
He's saying, so that's what Paul is talking about.
A universal inclusion of humanity, a universal sonship of humanity.
But then what happens, right, is some of those people believe, so verse 32, when they heard
about the resurrection from the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, we want
to hear more from on this subject at that Paul left the council, some of the people
became followers of Paul and believed.
Okay.
So some of them became followers and believed.
And what happened to the ones that believed their lives were transformed.
They got rocked by the gospel.
What happened to those that didn't believe the gospel, nothing, nothing happened, no
change.
They stayed in their lostness.
They stayed in the darkness, nothing changed.
Why?
Because he said, you will know the truth, you'll have intimate experiential knowledge
of the truth and the truth will set you free.
And so for the people who came into agreement with the truth, boom, they were totally liberated.
Now did it, were they sons before they believed or after they believed?
Were they sons?
Did Paul say they were children before or after they believed before they believe, right?
How can you believe something, right?
How can you preach a message if it's not true, Paul and Jesus, they weren't, they were preaching
a truth that was true before we believe that the gospel is the truth before we believe
it.
We can't have faith in something that's not already true.
If we're saying, if faith is the thing that, you know, that lights, that empowers the truth,
we can't have faith in a thing unless it's already true to begin with.
It's only because your identity is already set before the foundation of the world that
you can have faith that's who you are.
It's only because the truth is the truth before we believe it, that we can have faith in the
truth and believe it.
So what's universal, the fatherhood of God is universal.
The sonship of humanity is universal.
The truth is universal.
As everyone's saying, no, that's ridiculous because yeah, you have to believe it, right?
Give me one second.
I'm going to, I've just got to sort of thing up one second.
Be back.
Life is good, we're all okay.
All right, cool.
So, is that helping?
Is that good info?
Cool.
So basically what I'm saying is the Western gospel is not slightly off.
The foundations of the...
Eastern Gospel are exactly opposed to what Paul's message was.
If you are trying to tell people that if you believe you will be a son, that is the exact
opposite to what Paul preached, the exact opposite to what Jesus preached.
If you try to tell people that if they believe, then they can become a son, if they believe,
then God will love them.
If they believe, they can have intimacy with God.
What that does is that just sets people up for performance-based identity, performance-based
acceptance and performance-based intimacy, which, put your hand up if you've known that.
Every single Christian that I have ever met in my life, apart from maybe one, and that
was only after they had a radical encounter, has struggled, ridiculously struggled with
performance-based acceptance, performance-based identity and performance-based intimacy.
Why?
Why is this the situation, why is this the normal for hundreds of millions, billions
of Christians?
Why is that the normal?
It's because when you get born, like when you step into something, like if you're born
in through an orphan gospel, you're going to have an orphan existence.
Whereas if you step in and people are telling you from the very beginning that you're, you
know, made in the image of God, it makes a big difference.
But here's something that we have to say as well about salvation, okay?
Put your hand up if you're saved.
Yeah, put your hand up if you're saved.
Go, yes, yes, yes, that's me, I'm saved, I'm saved.
I'll just check, I'll just check the Facebook group again.
Okay, so everyone's putting their hands up for being saved, that's good.
Okay, so, hey Elise, can you just approve anyone who's wanting to get acceptance into
the Facebook group?
Um, I can't actually find, funny, I can't see the live streaming in the group.
It'll be streaming, but I have.
Anyone, anyone in the group got questions?
Just chuck them down here.
Oh sweet, I see Andrea's there watching the group.
She had a question.
So Andrea, was that good for you, your question before?
I hope that was helpful.
So, um, so you guys are all saved, that's good news.
Um, but I have to tell you that saved is a being in process, right?
Because the Western mindset is, and here's where there's a big contradiction, okay?
Jesus was obsessed with getting you into the divine dance, okay?
That's what he was obsessed about.
That was the original divine design.
That's what they always wanted.
That's what Jesus was obsessed about.
Well, let's get everyone dancing.
Let's get everyone, you know, let's get everyone, you know, in that place of, let's bring everyone
back to Eden, you know, this is going to be awesome.
That's what he was obsessed about.
What are Christians obsessed about?
Getting people across the salvation line, you know, get them across the line.
It's all about, I got saved, right?
How often do you hear Christians talking about, oh yeah, I've been enjoying the divine dance?
You don't really hear Christians using that language, right?
Well, that's a little bit of an issue, you know, because Jesus was obsessed.
Jesus wasn't getting obsessed with you going to church.
Jesus was obsessed with you having the very finest experience of intimacy with God possible.
Jesus was obsessed about you experiencing the divine life.
Jesus was obsessed about getting humanity back into participation with the divine dance.
That's what he was obsessed about.
He's like, yes, this is what I'm about.
But for Christians, we've got this, such a mindset, right?
Our evangelism isn't about getting people into the divine dance.
Our evangelism is about getting people to put their hand up in a meeting,
you know, to get saved, right?
To get saved.
We want to get people to get saved.
We want to save them from hell.
Jesus wasn't trying to save people from hell, okay?
As his main mission, right?
But the church is trying to save people from hell as their main mission.
Now, I'm not saying anything about hell.
All right, all I'm saying is that the focus what I'm saying is the focus of Jesus ministry is
He's pointing to the positive, right? He wasn't pointing all the way to help
There's a few times that Jesus does mention how but most of the time it's actually it's not actually in the context
It's never in the context of evangelism. It's in the context of talking to religious people
Okay, so the times that he does mention how he's not talking. He's not doing it for evangelism purposes
He's saying well you church people are dodgy. Holy
You need to think about what you're up to
Okay, so
foot when it comes to evangelism and revealing the father
Jesus never used hell to reveal the father
Actually, here's a crazy thing when we lose the ability to reveal the father
Hell becomes our greatest weapon
Hell becomes our greatest tool in our evangelism toolkit
When we lose the ability to reveal the father
Hell
Becomes the greatest tool in our evangelism toolbox
How crazy is that?
So foot, you know a guy like Jonathan Edwards
Who's preaching sinners in the hands of an angry God? What's his greatest tool in evangelism?
It's all about hell. Oh my gosh, that's the whole Jonathan Edwards didn't carry a revelation the father he just talked about hell all the time
Holy moly
But you look at Jesus in evangelism doesn't talk about hell in evangelism. What he does is he reveals the father
That's how he does evangelism, right? He reveals the father house signs one through five
He reveals the father
Father
That's how he does evangelism, right?
He reveals the father house signs wonders miracles extravagant acts of love supernatural ministry
Just wonderful wonderful love caring for you know, the woman caught in adultery just amazing compassion
Um speaking to the least of these loving on lepers that no one wants to touch or be around
He's always about revealing the father. Okay, that's his greatest weapon in
in evangelism, so
try and um get back to
your hands up salvation
So that's what we were talking about getting saved
Okay, so the the goal of jesus versus the goal of western church, you know guy jonathan edwards. What's his focus?
How like let's stop everybody. Okay, so I say everyone starts getting saved out of fear and they okay sweet
So they're like cool, right? We just got we made it, you know, wow flippin heck. I got my ticket to heaven
I'm not going to hell awesome
But that was not the destination, you know, that's not that that's not not the destination that's not the goal
That's not the objective. That's not the mission the purpose of evangelism in jesus eyes or paul's eyes
The purpose for jesus and paul is to get people into the divine dance, which means you start by
You know, you start by telling them the truth that they're already in as it can be
Hands up though around salvation. That's what we were doing before
So how saved are you?
Because people christian say yeah save but actually if you actually look at the definition of the word save you're probably not
Save sozo the greek there's two greek words and you know used for salvation
One is so terry and one is sozo and sozo means nothing missing nothing broken
Everything functioning according to divine design. So did you really get saved sozo means like you're participating in the divine dance
So this is what I mean by about trying to cross the line because it's sozo is a being in process
You don't just get you don't just go from one minute not knowing your identity and not knowing the father being
Totally lost to the next moment in full scale perfectly renewed mind
Probably to be honest the only thing that's stopping you from that is your level of humility
Because if you had a level of humility, it's your level of humility
It's your level of humility
Hunger and work ethic, but primarily your level of humility
That dictates how long it takes you to step into the fullness of sozo
The fullness of salvation the fullness of the divine dance the fullness of the renewed mind is dictated by your level of humility
But that process right to step into sozo you've got to have your mind renewed
You know your conscious subconscious unconscious mind it all has to get renewed. This is a big process
But christians don't
talk about
salvation
In that context of what jesus the way that jesus used it when jesus used the word sozo again
It's again. It's all about coming back to the divine dance. You'll be like so he's um
Yeah, so those are delivered heal, uh set free but in the fullness of the word
Okay, so you can use sozo to describe individual events like someone gets delivered from a demon demon
They use the word sozo they use the word sozo in these events
that build up to the ultimate definition of the word and the ultimate definition of the word is the same
It's the Greek counterpart of the Hebrew word Shalom
So you've got Shalom and you've got
Sozo
Which both mean nothing missing nothing broken everything functioning according to divine design, which is in other words the divine does
So when you talk about being born again or being born from above event and process just like being saved is an event and process
What is it? Oh my gosh, it's exactly what Jesus said in his first comment in his first statement, which is
Repent or renew your minds because heaven is right now. The kingdom of God is at hand and you could be dancing
If you renew your minds, we could all be dancing right now. That would be way better than living in lostness and darkness and chaos and dysfunction
Let's how about we all renew our minds, conscious, subconscious, unconscious
Let's how about we all go beyond where we've ever gone before, deeper than we've ever gone before and see transformation
See our lives, our minds renewed and let's all get on business with enjoying the divine dance
And what does that look like again? You imagine this, you imagine if Christians lived like this
Mature sonship is the ability to receive divine love perfectly and the ability to give perfect expression to divine love
Mature sonship. That's what Jesus is after when he's talking about sozo. Why? So that you step into this place
Because this is what the participating in the divine dance looks like. It's not just about you
It's about the ability to receive divine love perfectly and give perfect expression to divine love
So it means that in this world, you're out dreaming darkness. It means that in this world, you're ministering to the least of these
It means that in this world, you're discipling nations. It means that in this world, you are a perfect expression of love and light to all the people around you
Any other questions? Maybe one more question, then we'll wrap it up
Oh, there you go. Good comment from Andrea. Agreed. Preaching to me is getting people to know they are a son. Free to live free
People are getting saved and falling away as no teachings on this. So great these teachings are to explain it so well
Time has come for this to be preached everywhere
Here's another interesting thing. How come you have some Christians?
How can we have some non-Christians who've got way more freedom in their life than Christians, you know?
How come you know non-Christians who live a more righteous life than Christians, you know?
What?
How come you know non-Christians who are more loving than Christians, you know?
How come you know non-Christians whose marriages are better than Christian marriages, you know?
Why? How? How is that possible?
Alright, it all comes back again to John 8.32
You will know the truth and the truth will set you free
So I know lots of non-Christians who have actually got in their mindset, their self-image
There's more truth in their belief system than a lot of Christians
So Jesus said it was the truth that will set you free
So you can be a Christian who doesn't agree with the truth
Yeah, can't you? Do you know any Christians who don't agree with the truth?
You know?
Maybe, yeah? Put your hands up if you know any Christians that aren't in agreement with the truth
They're Christians, they go to church, they do all that stuff
But they haven't actually renewed their minds
Which means their world is total chaos, total dysfunction
Their ability to have healthy, functional relationships is terrible
Their families are a mess, their relationships are a mess
Who knows Christians like that?
Lots of us, right?
Well, what's that? And who knows non-Christians who'd actually seem like they've got it all together?
Well, the thing that's happening there is, again, it's the renewing of your mind
It's the level of renewing of your mind
Now, whether the non-Christians want to acknowledge it or not
That is a degree
Like truth, Jesus has the monopoly on truth.
So if they've got truth active in their life,
it only comes from one place.
Yeah, they might not acknowledge Jesus,
but he is the author of truth.
He's the founder of truth.
He is true.
So that's just one reason why you have some Christians
who are in total dysfunction.
Yes, they've crossed the line of salvation, if you like,
but they've only renewed 1% of their mind.
But you can have non-Christians
who've renewed 20% of their mind,
but they're not following Jesus,
but they've got more truth in their belief system
than Christians who've only renewed their mind 1%.
Obviously, it shouldn't be like that,
but that's why I'm saying,
what I'm trying to highlight is event and process.
So salvation is event and process.
Awakening, being born from above is event and process.
It's all about the renewing of your mind.
It's event and process.
You have big moments of renewing of your mind,
and then a process, ongoing, residual, gradual.
Yeah.
Oh, that's, love says, yes, that was me.
There you go.
Yes, it's the way that we see ourselves.
Okay, here's a big thing.
Your theology, with your theology,
you always want to bring it back to reality as well.
You actually want it to be functional,
but functional Christianity is a good idea.
So let's test this theory.
Who has had a big revelation,
and then following that big revelation,
they've actually experienced a massive life transformation?
Yeah.
So what's that?
That's just the evidence of how this works.
Who, as a Christian, has grown in their relationship with God?
It's gotten better and better over time.
Yeah?
Yeah, it's gotten better.
Who, as a Christian, has gone on a journey
where we've gotten more and more freedom over time?
Well, what is that?
That's event and process.
That's being born again, again.
That's the truth setting you free.
That's your mind being renewed.
That's you stepping deeper and deeper into the divine dance.
That's stepping deeper and deeper into sonship.
That's stepping deeper and deeper into your identity.
That is putting to death the sinful nature.
So that process of renewing your mind or repenting,
that is the process of putting to death the sinful nature.
It's not that the sinful nature exists.
The sinful nature is an illusion,
the sinful nature is an illusion
that fills the vacuum in the absence of truth.
So in the absence of truth,
the sinful nature will fill the vacuum.
Lies will define you.
Ignorance will define you.
Truth won't define you if it's not in your mind.
So that repentance process, that discovery process,
the revelation process, that transforms our mind.
That puts to death the sinful nature.
Not that the sinful nature is a living thing.
Not that the sinful nature is any part of your identity.
It's not.
All the sinful nature is is a collection of lies
that exist in our minds until our minds are renewed.
So someone is saying,
have you commented on universalism already?
We did just have a big chat about universalism,
but why don't you jump on here?
Why don't you unmute, Margot?
Why don't you unmute and just say what you were saying?
You might want to catch the replay
because we just did a big session
on what is universal in the gospel and what's not.
Are you going to, do you want to unmute there, Margot,
and chat that through?
Otherwise, I'll let you catch the replay.
Going once.
Oh, you'll catch the replay on it.
Cool, cool.
All right, hey, well, I think that's probably
a good chat for now.
Who's found that helpful?
Yeah?
Who, yeah, you like it, you don't like it, you hate it,
you think it's terrible, where are you at with it?
Pushing thumbs up.
up some thumbs up some loves oh yeah just not terrible um you feel like you feel like it's
here's here's how it works here's why it's good for me okay
here's here's why this is really really good news for me who whoever has negative feelings and
emotions anyone ever have negative feelings and emotions yeah i'm trying to deal with some
negative feelings and emotions yeah so negative feelings and emotions they come from your core
beliefs right that's where they that's the origin if you wonder where negative feelings
and emotions come from they come from your core beliefs um people will sometimes say they're
hormonal no they're not actually um hormones will hormones situations circumstance will
influence you know a bit but here's what happens is every before a feeling can manifest here's how
it works your you have the your your mind takes all the information going on in your circumstances
that's all the information produced by your hormones all the information produced by your
circumstances all the information that you have that then gets into your mind and then it has
to be filtered through your belief system all right and then your belief system this happens
subconsciously unconsciously then your belief system will determine how you feel about that
and your feelings are faster than your emotions you have a feeling before you have an emotion
because a feeling happens first and an emotion is a chemical reaction produced by a brain all
all emotions you can track them chemically in the body that the brain produces a chemical emotion
i'm sorry the brain produces a chemical reaction the chemicals go through your body
and that releases the emotion but the emotion comes first is first triggered by the feeling
and the feeling is produced by your beliefs that tell you how you should feel about this information
all right so you get information your beliefs tell you how you should feel about the information
your feeling produces a chemical reaction in your brain which releases the like all these chemicals
and those chemicals in your body produce the emotional response that's how it happens real
real fast uh but if you're so when you say for example you start feeling separate from God you
start feeling disconnected from God okay i'm not feeling very close to God today
okay but what if hardwired into your belief system was the belief that
um if you sin God turns his back on you
oh you're gonna have an emotional meltdown you're gonna be a wreck right and that's what
happened to Peter so Peter Peter denies Jesus three times right and then and the end all the
other apostles ditch Jesus in the garden don't they there's a stripper in the you know when
Jesus comes like when they come to arrest Jesus there's a guy what the heck is a guy doing running
around in a towel like there's a guy running around a town God and they grabbed his towel
he's ran off naked that's a cool kind of funny little moment in the gospel okay thanks for that
we've got a stripper here right and then after the stripper like all Jesus makes ditch him every
single one of them John ditched him Peter ditched him all of the apostles ditched Jesus and like
see you we're gonna we're gonna like follow that guy um they're off they just leave Jesus and he's
taken and so what do all the other apostles do like they all were like oh stink and none of them
go to the cross what what none of them turn up to the cross except John John's the only one at
the cross everyone else ditched him John is there right at the foot of the cross with Mary with all
the with all the ladies the ladies are all there and John's there everyone else has ditched him
what's going on there see this
you can have um you can have the mindset of Peter or the mindset of John
and this is a big deal because Peter orphans out here
right the mindset of Peter or the orphan mindset when you have a bad moment
you want you feel so bad that you run away from God
or like John you have a bad moment and you run to him
that's the difference between an orphan mindset and a sonship mindset right there is an orphan
has a bad day and their shame drives them away from God a son has a bad day and their shame
drives them away from God
them right into him. But where does the distinction happen to a person that determines which action
they will take? It's what's hardwired into your brain. And this is one of the problems with the
Western gospel, and this is Jonathan Edwards gospel, and the sin is in the hands of an angry
God. If you've got a wrath God, why the heck do you want to run to him and get a beating?
If you've got a loving father who's going to embrace you in your lostness,
versus an angry father who's going to get out a rod of punishment and wrath,
which one are you going to run to in your darkest hour? That's why you have so many
Christians backsliding and running away from God because they're like, oh my gosh,
this is too painful. This is unbearable. In my shame, I run away from God. Rather than
in your darkest hour, there's only one place you've got to run. I've just got to run right
back to him. This is where I have to be. He's my home. He's my source. He's my
true north. He's my everything. So John turns up at the cross, whereas Peter,
he's dirt and he's gone fishing. And Jesus has to track him down when he's fishing.
Peter does come back to the tomb. So he does come back. They do come back shortly after,
but only after they told that Jesus was alive. Mary's like, hey guys.
With our mindsets, if we have this mindset that intimacy is performance-based,
right? When you fail, where are you going to go?
If we have a belief that intimacy and oneness with God is reality-based,
it's not the fruit of your behavior. It's just reality that you're one with him.
It's just reality that you're seamlessly one with God. When it's hardwired into your conscious,
subconscious, unconscious, it makes it very, very difficult, almost impossible to live disconnected.
Because even when you start having a feeling, right?
But even if you're feeling, it actually starts making the feeling of isolation very rare.
Because you have circumstances happening, information happening. It goes into your
belief system and your core belief system is I'm one with God, I'm one with God, I'm one with God,
I'm one with God, I'm one with God, I'm one with God, I'm one with God. And so it's very rare that
the feeling of disconnection or separation ever even starts to manifest. What happens is if the
information starts getting really, really intense, it starts pushing, pushing, pushing, pushing,
pushing, pushing. This is happening unconsciously in your own mind. All this information is trying
to push, push, push, try and tell you that you're disconnected from God. Now, if there's a little
chink in your faith, like if there is a little part of your mind that says maybe I'm not one
with God. Feeling comes in there. Oh, well, I don't feel very one with you right now, God. I
feel far away. You feel very far away. But then if your beliefs are that you are one with God,
what happens is that it becomes very, very easy then to actually tell your feelings the truth.
It's easy to tell your feelings the truth. So it might break through, but it's actually not
very, not a very strong feeling. And you can put in its place real quick and get back into the dance.
Cool beans. Sweet. I think that's good chicken for us.
I'm just reading Andrew's comment.
So Andrea, I'm just checking this out. So Andrea said, I'm thinking that you were saying we are
all born as sons and daughters. The Greeks you were using as example, dodgy, dodgy characters.
They all had the opportunity to step into the divine dance and live in union with God.
Some chose to repent and renew their minds and they were able to step into a place of divine love.
Those who chose not to do not change, but it does not change the essential.
Did I get that right? Yes. So it doesn't change. Yes. It doesn't change the essential.
Whether they agree... So your agreement with the truth is not what makes the truth true.
Your agreement with the truth is what makes the truth powerful.
So the truth is the truth before you believe it, while you believe it, after you believe it...
You know the truth is always the truth. So believing... so believing the truth
is not what makes the truth true. Believing the truth is called faith,
and believing the truth is what makes the truth insanely powerful.
And this is where... this is where probably why a lot of people get confused with thinking they...
I became a son in that moment, because they had the experience of... whoa! They had the
revelation of their sonship, they stepped into it, they came into agreement with it,
they had faith in that explosion of transformation in their life, and they're like,
wow, that's the moment that I became a son. It's not the moment you became a son,
it's the moment you came into agreement with the truth about your sonship, and everything changed,
because the truth just became powerful in your life to redeem, to transform, to heal, to restore.
So the truth is the truth before we believe it,
and agreement with the truth is not what makes the truth true.
Agreement with the truth is what makes the truth powerful to change your life.
Very cool, yes. Margot, you are one with God.
Sweet, okay, well, fam, awesome stuff. I think we will wrap it up here.
Before we do, before we do, let me just quickly check in.
Okay, awesome.
A renewed mind is an open heaven. Yay! Right, your psychology is your spirituality.
So what you believe dictates your spirituality.
Sweet, so last thing, and I'll give some more info on this in a minute,
so last thing, and I'll give some more info on this for everyone as well, but we are having,
we are launching a 12-week Open Heaven Masterclass, okay? So there is going to be a 12-week Open
Heaven Masterclass, and let me do something right now. So it's going to be a 12-week Open
Heaven Masterclass, and in there, what we're going to do is take you through the process
of mastering the three secrets to the renewed mind, okay? The three secrets to living in open
heaven, which are, you have to have good foundations, right? You've got to have good
foundations. You've got to renew your mind, right? But you've got to go conscious, subconscious,
and unconscious. You've got to go into the depths of your being. So you have to go conscious,
subconscious, and unconscious, and to go subconscious, unconscious, you know,
conscious, subconscious, and unconscious into the very core of your mind. To go there,
you can't go there with most activities that you'll experience on a Sunday in a church,
okay? Because it takes a much, much deeper, it's a much, much deeper process
to get to that level of transformation, right? Your heart, you're rewiring the very core
of your, like, your mainframe has to get rewired. And in order to get there, you have to go real,
real deep. And there's a whole lot of activations that we're going to teach that
will actually help you in that process of actually how to go and rewire the main, like,
the very core of your being, going deeper than just your conscious, going conscious, subconscious,
unconscious. We're going to go right into how you do that. So there's three points to this process
of stepping into an open heaven as a state of being or renewing your, you know, it's good
foundations, renewing of the mind, conscious, subconscious, and unconscious, and then devotion.
So, and devotion starts with, you know, how you receive and the life you live. So it's about...
your disciplines and the way that you actually structure your life and your time and the
orbit of your existence. What does it revolve around? How do you transform your world? So,
these three things we are going to go really in-depth on in what I believe is going to be
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and it's going to be much more than revelation, okay? Because revelation will kind of get you
so far, but revelation doesn't put roots down unless it's attached to devotion. So, you have
to understand devotion, you have to know how devotion works, you have to actually build
devotion into your life. And I was really blessed when it comes to devotion because
my father demonstrated to me every day just spending time with the Lord. So, every single
day that I woke up as a kid, if my dad was home, he was reading his Bible and praying.
That's all I knew as what life looks like. And that messes with the core of your being.
Not only that, when he's been living like that for years before I was even born, it messes with
your actual DNA. So, what I want to do is I want to take you into this journey. I've spent,
Lord just called me into a life of intimacy. So, I've spent thousands and thousands of hours in
prayer and it's this time of thousands and thousands of hours of prayer and study and
searching this truth out that I was able actually to discover it. And so, what I've
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Bye-bye.